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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby toroidalet » July 30th, 2017, 4:09 pm

Apple Bottom wrote:I'm not convinced that one isn't explosive.

Then try searching B3-n4-an/S2-i34-aet.
x = 40, y = 40, rule = B3-n4-an/S2-i34-aet
bo4b5o2bobobo2bo9bo3b2obobo$7bob3o3b7o2b6ob3ob2ob2o$2o2b9o2bo3b2ob7o5b
ob2o$o4b2o3bob3obo4bo2b2o4bo2bobo3bo$ob3o9b2obobobo2bo2b2o2bo2b2o$o3b
2obobobob3o3bob2o2b5obo2b3o2bo$o2b3o2bo2b3ob3ob2obo2bobo2bo2b4o2bo$bo
3b2o3b2ob2ob2o2bo2bob2o3b5o4bo$o2b2o2b3o8b6o2bobo2bo2b2obo$3b2o2b2o2bo
3bo2b3o2b5o2b4o2b2obo$2obo2b2obo2bobobobo2b2o3bo2b2o3b5o$o2bo2b2o2bo3b
3obob3o3bob4o5bo$o2b3obobobobobobo2bo3b2ob2obo2bobo2b2o$2ob4o4b2o2b2o
2b3o2b2o2b2o2b5obo$bo2bobo3b2obo4b3o2bob3ob3ob5obo$3b3o3b3obob2ob2obo
4b2o5bo5bo$bo5b6obobo2b3obobob5obo3bo$9b6obo3bobobob2o3b3obo2bo$ob3ob
2o2bobobo2bo3b2ob5o2b3o2b2o$b3o7b3ob3ob2ob4o2b4obob2o2bo$3bo3bo17b2o3b
4obobo$2bo2bo2b5ob5o2b2o2bo3bo4bo$bob2ob2ob2obobobo2b4o3b2o2bob2o3b3o$
b2ob2obob2o4b2ob3o2bobo2b3o3bo3bo$3bobob6o2b5ob4obo3b2obob2o$obobob3o
2bobo2bob2obo2b2ob2o2bobo4bo$ob2o2b2o3b3o2b3ob5ob4ob2o3b3o$4ob2obo2bob
o2b2o3b2o2b2o2b3o4b3o$4bobobobob4o2bo3bo3b3ob2o5b2o$4ob2obo7b4ob4o3b3o
2bob2ob2o$bo2bob3o2bobo3bobo3b2o4bobob2ob3o$3b2obob2o2bo3b3obobo3b5o3b
o2b2o$obo2b3o2b2o6bo4bo3b3obobob2ob2o$2obob2o2bob3ob3obo3b5o4b2ob2o2bo
$o2bo2bo5b2o3b3ob6obobob2obo2bo$4bob3o2bo2bo2b2o8b2ob2obob3o$o2b2o2b2o
bo4bo2b2obo3bob3o2bob3obo$6o2b3ob2ob2ob2o3b2obo2bo2b2o2b2obo$o2b2ob4o
3bo2bob4o2b2ob2o2b3o$bo3b2obobob3o3b3o5b2ob6o2bo!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » July 30th, 2017, 4:17 pm

toroidalet wrote:
Apple Bottom wrote:I'm not convinced that one isn't explosive.

Then try searching B3-n4-an/S2-i34-aet.


Beg pardon? If I hadn't tried and seen how the search attempt went, I'd not said the above.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby drc » July 30th, 2017, 5:29 pm

Apple Bottom wrote:Beg pardon? If I hadn't tried and seen how the search attempt went, I'd not said the above.

He removed S4e
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » July 30th, 2017, 6:17 pm

drc wrote:He removed S4e


Oh, right.

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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby muzik » July 30th, 2017, 7:17 pm

The rule B2ce3ce4ce5ce6ce/S2a345 seems to give high object variation, and 10000-soup hauls aren't too big for catagolue. It does take a good while to search though.


Anyone willing to give it a go?
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby muzik » July 31st, 2017, 12:59 pm

We need more people searching B2c3aj4nrt5i6c78/S1c23enr4aet5-iq67 on D2_+1.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » July 31st, 2017, 1:42 pm

toroidalet wrote:B3-n4-an/S2-i34-aet.


That one works -- quite slow to search, but it works! :)

Here's a pretty common period-15 ship that showed up:

x = 14, y = 5, rule = B3-n4-an/S2-i34-aet
5bo8b$b2o2b2ob5ob$2obob3o4b2o$b2o2b2ob5ob$5bo8b!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby muzik » July 31st, 2017, 1:47 pm

Apple Bottom wrote:Here's a pretty common period-15 ship that showed up:

x = 14, y = 5, rule = B3-n4-an/S2-i34-aet
5bo8b$b2o2b2ob5ob$2obob3o4b2o$b2o2b2ob5ob$5bo8b!

6c/15, I presume?
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby toroidalet » August 1st, 2017, 12:36 pm

drc wrote:He removed S4e

Are you assuming my gender? (meme enthusiasts, finish the rest.)
I nominate B3-r4iz78/S23 for searching:
x = 30, y = 44, rule = B3-r4iz78/S23
15bo$14b3o$14b3o5$13b5o$13b5o17$26bo$25bob2o$25bo2bo$20b2o4bo$4bo15b3o
5bo$bo2bo14bo2bo5bo$o3bo14bo2bo4bo$o2bo16b2o$obo25b2o2$obo25b2o$o2bo$o
3bo18bo3bo$bo2bo17bobo3bo$4bo17b2o4bo$26bo$25bo2bo$25bob2o$26bo!

(This rule was found by the person who assumed my gender so.)
I tried apgsearching, and it's slow. (B34e5y7e/S23 and the other rules I asked Apple Bottom to apgsearch are way slower, but that's beside the point.)
(The pi-ship reminds me of the one in B3-cky4e8/S23-c4cn, but that one's not glide-symmetric.)
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » August 2nd, 2017, 4:29 am

toroidalet wrote:I nominate B3-r4iz78/S23 for searching:


That one produced a PATHOLOGICAL last night that turns out to be a rake:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3-r4iz78/S23
bboobobbooooobbb$
booobooobobobbob$
boobooooobobbobo$
oobbooooooobobbo$
oooboboooooooobb$
obobobbboobbooob$
bobbobbobobobbbb$
bboboooobooboboo$
obobboobbobooooo$
ooboboobbboobboo$
bbbbbobooooboobb$
obbbobbobooobbbb$
obbbbobobboobboo$
obbbboobbbboobbo$
oboboobboooboobb$
ooboobooobobboob!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby muzik » August 3rd, 2017, 3:11 pm

So apparently you can actually search DryLife using apgsearch, assuming you set your haul size to 1 and reset it every so often when it hits a chaotic soup.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » August 4th, 2017, 5:33 am

muzik wrote:So apparently you can actually search DryLife using apgsearch, assuming you set your haul size to 1 and reset it every so often when it hits a chaotic soup.


You can (and this works for any rule), but you really shouldn't. You're just skewing the data, severely.

(IIRC, Calcyman previously said that the "1 soup haul" exception was created to allow him to submit correction hauls to B3/S23/C1 when a bug in the Python script's switch-engine detection was found about two years ago. That's all it's there for, and you shouldn't use it as a trick to get around the minimums Catagolue usually imposes. They're there for a reason.)
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Saka » August 5th, 2017, 3:02 am

B3-j4arw5a/S2-c3-a4aw please
Pretty fast, but has these thingies:
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3-j4arw5a/S2-c3-a4aw
ob3o7b2obo$3bo2b4ob2ob2o$o3b2o3b2o2b3o$3o3bo2b2obob2o$3b2o2bob6o$3bo2b
2obobobo$5ob2o2bob3o$3b3o2b6obo$4o6b5o$2ob2obobobo2b2o$5obob4o2b2o$2o
4bo2b3o3bo$2bobobobobo2bo$bo2bob2obo3b3o$3o2bo3bobo2bo$b5o2bob3o!

Big sparky 13c/128
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3-j4arw5a/S2-c3-a4aw
o2b3obo2b3o2bo$3ob3o3b6o$obo4b2o2bo2b2o$o2bo3b3o2bobo$2bo4bobo2bobo$ob
o3b2ob6o$4ob2obo3b2o$7bobobob2o$2bo3b2ob2o2b2o$o2b2obob2obob2o$o3bo5bo
b2obo$o3b2o4bobob2o$bob5o2b2ob3o$2ob6obobo2bo$bo2bo2b2obob3o$4obo2b5o!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Saka » August 5th, 2017, 6:17 am

Applebottom, I think you forgot the w (you searched b3-j4arw5as2-c3-a4a instead of b3-j4arw5as2-c3-a4aw)
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » August 5th, 2017, 6:40 am

Saka wrote:Applebottom, I think you forgot the w (you searched b3-j4arw5as2-c3-a4a instead of b3-j4arw5as2-c3-a4aw)


Yup, I accidentally didn't copy-and-paste that -- already fixed, though!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby muzik » August 5th, 2017, 5:25 pm

Can we get this:
x = 4, y = 7, rule = B/S47
b2o$4o$4o$b2o$4o$4o$b2o!

to appear in bs47/C1?
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby toroidalet » August 5th, 2017, 7:31 pm

muzik wrote:Can we get this:
still life

to appear in bs47/C1?

It's statistically improbable, requiring 54 cells to have a specific state in a (C1) soup, with a probability (if my math is sound) of 11/2^51, assuming that each cell has a probability of 1/2 (Which I don't think is exactly true (Again, I'm not an expert, so don't quote me on this))
Considering 2^51 is over 2 quadrillion I doubt that this will happen anytime soon, although the rule will likely be insanely fast (the only limit is memory).
Can someone try searching B2i3-ck/S02-i3-ck? It has a small c/3 and 13c/39 puffer (in addition to the stuff already there)
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby muzik » August 6th, 2017, 7:34 pm

Can we get more people on B367/S2-i34q? It's real interesting.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Saka » August 11th, 2017, 6:08 am

B2e3-j4arw5n/S23-a:
c/12 fake glider
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2e3-j4arw5n/S23-a
2o$obo$o!

6c/17 diag
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2e3-j4arw5n/S23-a
3o$o$o!


EDIT:
b3-jn4arw/s23 has a nice c/32 ship which has a population min-max difference factor of 3:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3-jn4arw/S23
bobbooboboobobob$
bboobooooooboobb$
bbbobobboooboobo$
bbooooboboooobob$
oobboobobobbobbo$
oboobboboobooobb$
obbobooobobboobb$
booobbbobboobooo$
boboobbobbbooboo$
bbobboobbboobobo$
bbbboobbobbooobb$
obbboobbbbboboob$
bobbobbobbbobobb$
bboobobbboobooob$
oobbbbboboooobbo$
oboobbobbobbbboo!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby wwei23 » August 12th, 2017, 1:56 am

muzik wrote:B35678/S is an extremely easy and fast rule to apgsearch, even on the Python version. On my apgmera, individual hauls of 100,000,000 soups can rack up just about a million objects each.

We could all spam search this to check for three things:

1. Aside from xp2 and xp4, are there any other periods of naturally occuring phoenixes?

2. Can phoenixes of odd periods exist?

3. Can we crash Catagolue with it?

B3/S23 1x256X2+1(Also, it has a very high object-to-soup ratio, as I'm past 5000000000 objects, but not even at 100000000 soups.)
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby wwei23 » August 12th, 2017, 2:09 am

Apple Bottom wrote:
83bismuth38 wrote:it didn't work.


What exactly didn't work? Where are you getting stuck?

edit: also, this seems unnecessarily more complicated than one of you just searching the rule.


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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby wwei23 » August 12th, 2017, 2:10 am

drc wrote:
83bismuth38 wrote:edit: also, this seems unnecessarily more complicated than one of you just searching the rule.

That kind of came off as rude, and I frankly, along with most of the Life community (can't speak for them though), just don't find that rule that interesting.

In order to get any traction, you must demonstrate common intricacies.

Why not I search it in the morning? The camelship sold the rule.
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2en3ain5iy/S2-a3-ar4
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B35-e6a/S2-i3-k8

Postby Rhombic » August 14th, 2017, 7:04 am

Rotating gun:
x = 6, y = 8, rule = B35-e6a/S2-i3-k8
3bo$o2b2o$o4bo$5bo$o2b2o$ob3o$bob2o$b3o!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Saka » August 15th, 2017, 6:00 am

B2e3ai4a5j6n/S2-n3ijr4it, 10s/second on my computer:
4c/28
x = 7, y = 13, rule = B2e3ai4a5j6n/S2-n3ijr4it
2bo$5o$o4bo$2o3bo$3bob2o$2b2obo$3bobo2$3o$obob3o$2obo2bo$3bo$3b2o!

3c/6
x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2e3ai4a5j6n_S2-n3ijr4it
2o$bo$2o!

4c/8
x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2e3ai4a5j6n_S2-n3ijr4it
2o$o$3o2$3o$o$2o!

RAKE
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2e3ai4a5j6n_S2-n3ijr4it
b2ob3obob2o2bo$o3bo3b2ob2o$o2b3o4bo$o2b3ob2o3b4o$b3o7bob3o$3b2o3b3ob2o
bo$2obo3b3obob2o$obob3o2b2obobo$obo2bob2obobob2o$b2obo2b5obo$4b2ob2obo
3b2o$2bo6b4obo$2b4o5bob2o$4obo2b3obob2o$4o3b2o6bo$b2o5b3o2bo!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby _zM » August 15th, 2017, 1:40 pm

B3-e/S236n. Very slow(ca. 1/sec for me), but two pi-based puffers:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3-e/S236n
bbooobobobooboob$
obbboooooboboobb$
bobobobooobboooo$
bobbbbbboobbobob$
bbbbboboboobobbb$
obbobbooboobbbob$
obobbboobooooobb$
obbbobbobbbbooob$
bobbobbbbooboooo$
ooboooboobobbobb$
bbbbobboobbbbooo$
oboobbooooobboob$
boobbobobobobobo$
bbbbbooobobooooo$
oobbobbobobbbbbb$
bbboobbooooboobo!
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3-e/S236n
bbobbbobbobbobbb$
obooobobooobbbbb$
obbbbboooboobobo$
booboobboobbboob$
boboooboboooboob$
oobooooobboooobo$
bobbooobboobobbo$
oobooobbbbbobbbb$
bbbbobobbobooboo$
obbobbboboobbobo$
bobobobbboooooob$
obobbobobboooooo$
booobbobobbbobbb$
oboobobooboobbob$
obooooobbobooooo$
obobbbbobboooobo!

The second one is just a pi, which is also the reason this rule is so slow:
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3-e/S236n
3o$obo$obo!
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