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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » January 15th, 2018, 11:45 am

LaundryPizza03 wrote:One rule I'd like to be apgsearched is this non-exploding B2a rule with a very small c/2 ship, B2a3er4ciw/S1c2c3e4t:


danny wrote:Amazing rule! Unfortunately it has a breeder (and probably more than one too):


Yes, this literally lasted for 50 soups before blowing up. Folks, if you request hauls, please make sure you've submitted at least one small haul (10,000 soups) yourself to ensure that soup-searching a rule is feasible.

If you're asking others to soup-search rules, I feel it's not too much to ask for this in turn.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby danny » January 15th, 2018, 3:36 pm

Majestas32 wrote:b2-a/S12-i3ij

Backrake:
x = 7, y = 16, rule = B2-a/S12-i3ij
3b2o$o$2bo11$3bo$3bo$4b3o!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Majestas32 » January 15th, 2018, 7:01 pm

danny wrote:
Majestas32 wrote:b2-a/S12-i3ij

Backrake:
x = 7, y = 16, rule = B2-a/S12-i3ij
3b2o$o$2bo11$3bo$3bo$4b3o!

Neato!

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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby LaundryPizza03 » January 16th, 2018, 3:44 am

B3-c4ek5ky6e7c/S2-c3-e4yz5ar78 has 4 small diagonal ships os speeds c/4 diagonal, 4c/14 diagonal, 6c/54 diagonal, and c/25 diagonal:
x = 38, y = 3, rule = B3-c4ek5ky6e7c/S2-c3-e4yz5ar78
o8bo11b2o12bobo$b2o6b2o9bo2bo13bo$2o6b2o10b3o12b3o!

Spaceships arise fairly frequently:
x = 64, y = 64, rule = B3-c4ek5ky6e7c/S2-c3-e4yz5ar78
b2obobob2obo2b5o2bo5b5ob3o3bo2b2obo2bob2obob2o3b3o$3bobo2b3ob4o3bob2ob
obo2b8obo5b5o2bobo3b4ob2o$2bob2o2bo4bobo3b2ob2o7bo2b2ob3ob3o2b4o2b3o2b
2o3b2o$3bo3bobo4b2o2b2ob2o2b2o2bo2bo8b2obo2bo2b2o4b4ob2o$b2ob3obob3ob
2ob2ob5ob2ob3o4bo2b2ob3o2b2obob3ob2o2b4o$o2b3o2bo2bo2bo2b4ob2o2bobob2o
bobo3bobob2obob2o2b5obob3o$bo2bo4b3o3bobo4b3o3b2o3bo4b5ob2o2bo2bob2obo
3bo2bo$4obo5b5o2b3o2bo2bo2bo2b2o3bobo4b2o2b4o2b3ob3o$2ob7o4b2o2bo2bobo
3b2ob5obob2o5b2ob5obo2bo3b3o$2o3bob6obo2bo2b7obob2ob2obobob4obo6bo2bob
ob3obo$o2b4ob3ob2ob2ob2ob2o4b4obob2o2bob2o2bob3o10bo2bo$b4obobo2b4obob
2obobobo2bobo2b3obo2bo6b4obo5b2o$2bo7bo3bo2bo3b3o2b3o4bobobob2o7b2o2bo
2b3o2b3o$2obobo2bo3bo3b3obob3o2bo4bobo3b2o4b2o4bo2b3o3b2obo$5obo2b2o2b
obobo5bo2bobo2bo3b4o3bo3bobobob2ob2obob2o$b6o4bob3obo2bob2ob2obobo3b2o
bo4b2o7bob2o2b2o$2obo4b3obo2bob4obo3bo3bob2o2bo2bo4b3obob7ob2o2bo$2bo
4bobob3o3b5obob2o3bo3bobo2bo3bobo3b4o2bo6b2o$obo2b2o3b3obob4o3bo2b4o3b
2o2b2o4bo6b2ob2o2bob3o$3o2b2obo4b2ob2o2b2obo3b2obob2o2bob2obob2o5b2ob
3o2bo2bobo$6b4obo3bo2b2obob2o4b2obob3o2b2o3bob2o4b2o2b2o3bobo$bob2obo
3bobo2bo5b2obo7bo2bo2b5obo3b3obobo3b3o$2ob4o2bo3bo3bobobo3bob4ob2ob3o
3bo3b2obob3o7bob2o$5bo2bo4bo5b2o2bobo2bo2b3obob4o2bob2o3b3o2b4o3b2o$5b
o3bobob2ob3obo2b6ob2ob2o4b2o5bo2bo2bo7bo$obo3bo2b2o2b4obo3bobo4b2o2b2o
2bob2obob3ob6ob2o2b4o$5b4ob2o2bob3ob2o2bo2bob2obo6bobob2obobo4b5o2b4o$
2b2ob2o2bob2ob2obob4obo2b4obo2bobob4o3bobo3bo2bob2obo2bo$3ob3o3bo3bobo
6b2ob3obob4obobob4o2bo2b4ob2obo2bo$2b3ob2o4b2o3b2obob2o6b3obo2bo2b2ob
2obo2b2o2b7obobo$2bo2bob2obob2obob2o3b2obo4b3ob2o2bo2b2o2b3o2b2o3bo2b
2obobo$2b4o2b2obobo3bob6o5b2ob3obo4bo4b2obobo4b2o2bobo$o4b3obobob6o3b
2o2bo2b2o5bob2o4bo4bob7ob4o$b2o2bob7ob2obob2ob3o2b2obobo3b4obo2b2o2b2o
bob2ob7o$o5bo2bob2o3b3o2bo3b5ob2ob2ob2o3bo4bo2b3o2bo3bob2o$bo2bobo6bob
3ob5ob3obo2b3o2b2o2b2o3bo2b2o2bo2bo2b2o$obobo3bobobob5o2bob3ob4obobob
2o2bo2b4obo2b9ob2o$3bo4b3ob5ob2o3b3ob8obob3obob2ob2o2b2ob3ob5o$bo2b2ob
o2bo3bo2b2o3bo2b3ob4ob7o3bobo4b2obo2bob3obo$4o7bobob2o2b2o3bob2o2bo2b
3ob2o5bobob3o4b2o3bo2bo$5o4b2ob4o10bobob2ob2o3b2obo2b7ob2ob5ob2o$2bo3b
obob2o3bobo2bob3o4bo3b3o4b2obo4bo5b2o6bo$3b4o2bo3b3obobo6bobo4bobo2bob
ob7obo2bob3obo2b2o$2b3ob5ob3o2b2o2bob3o2b3o2bo2bo4b6o6b6o3bo$5bob6obob
obo3bo2bobo2b3obo3bob2ob2ob2obo2b4obob4o$2ob2obobo3b2obob2o7b2ob3ob2ob
o2bo2b2o2b3o4b2o5bobo$obo3b2ob4o2bob2o2b2ob3obobob4o4b5o8b3obob5o$2bo
3bo3b2ob3o2bo4bob3obo2bobobob2o2b2o2b5obobobob2o2b2o$o3bo4bob2ob2obo2b
3o3b3obo2b4ob3o3b3obobo2b2obob3o$o2bob2ob2o2b2o4b2ob2o3bob2ob2o2bo2bo
2bo5b2obobob2obo4b2o$6o2bo2bobobo3bo2b3o2bob4ob2obo3b7obo2bob2obob2o2b
o$bobobob2o3bobobo2bob4obob2ob3o5b2o2b2o3b3ob2ob5o$2bobo3b7o2bobob3o2b
3ob2o2b2ob2o4bob5o3bob3o3bobo$bobobobo2b3o3b3o5bo3b2obo2b7ob3ob4o3b6ob
2obo$o2b2o3bobo2b4o7b3o5b3obo2bo2b4o2bo4b3ob7o$o5bobobob2obo2bob2ob2ob
o2b2o8b2ob2o3bobo5b2o3b4o$bob2ob3obob2ob3obo2b3ob2o2b5obobo5bob4obo3bo
3bobobo$o3b4obobob2o3b3o4bob2o2bob3obob2obob4o2bob2obo2b2ob3o$o4b2obob
2obo6bo2bo2b2ob2ob4o6bob2o4bobo3b4o2bo$3b3o2b3o3bo3bo8b2ob2o3bob2ob4ob
4ob4o2bo2bo3bo$bobobo5b6ob3o2b2o3bob2o7b3obo2b4o3bo4bobo$2o3bo3b2ob7o
3b3o2b2obobo3bobob3obob2obob2o5b3obo$obob2o3b2obo4b2o2bob4o2bo4bob2o3b
4ob2obo2bo3bo2b2ob2o$bo4b3o2b2obobob2obo4bo2bo2b3obo2bob2ob3o4b2obo2b
4obo!

I hope there is something useful in this rule.
EDIT: The oddest thing yet is the crooked pattern generated from a long unidimensional line:
x = 4096, y = 1, rule = B3-c4ek5ky6e7c/S2-c3-e4yz5ar78
4096o!

Something causes the ripples to decay slower than the speed of light.
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!

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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby danny » January 16th, 2018, 11:23 pm

B2e3ain4-cjqtw5ceiry6-ac78/S2ac3ajknq4eiqwy5-ain6-e78 in specifically C1 and D2_+2, trust me it is apgsearchable. Thank you.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » January 17th, 2018, 4:16 am

danny wrote:B2e3ain4-cjqtw5ceiry6-ac78/S2ac3ajknq4eiqwy5-ain6-e78 in specifically C1 and D2_+2, trust me it is apgsearchable. Thank you.


Going to put in some hauls for C1 and D4_+2 (which covers, in a sense, both D2_+2 and D2_+1). I'm amazed how much faster the former is!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby danny » January 17th, 2018, 9:12 am

Apple Bottom wrote:Going to put in some hauls for C1 and D4_+2 (which covers, in a sense, both D2_+2 and D2_+1). I'm amazed how much faster the former is!

I suggested D2_+2 because D4_+2 clumps together a lot and it is more likely that one of the 'monolith ships' i mentioned in TFYADIOCA will pop up
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby LaundryPizza03 » January 17th, 2018, 9:55 am

Today is my first day of classes; could you please search B2c3aeny4a5i6i7e/S12a3ejry4etz5y6c8 in D2_x? Bye.
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!

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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Jackk » January 17th, 2018, 4:33 pm

I'd very much appreciate a search of B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8. It's Life-like and has these two small patterns that become oscillators:

x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
b3o$o2bo$3bo!

x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
bo$3o$o!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Majestas32 » January 17th, 2018, 5:43 pm

Jackk wrote:I'd very much appreciate a search of B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8. It's Life-like and has these two small patterns that become oscillators:

x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
b3o$o2bo$3bo!

x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
bo$3o$o!

I've made 1 haul of ~100000 soups and found a cool (7,8)c/81 knightship:

x = 17, y = 7, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
6bo$5bo$bobobo$2o2bo$b2o$10b2o3b2o$10b2o3b2o!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby moony » January 17th, 2018, 5:46 pm

Jackk wrote:I'd very much appreciate a search of B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8. It's Life-like and has these two small patterns that become oscillators:

x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
b3o$o2bo$3bo!

x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
bo$3o$o!


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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Majestas32 » January 17th, 2018, 5:50 pm

@moony Could you please search b2-a/S12-i3ij on your other instance?
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby moony » January 17th, 2018, 6:00 pm

Majestas32 wrote:@moony Could you please search b2-a/S12-i3ij on your other instance?

I'll split up the search in a moment. Let it finish this haul.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby danny » January 17th, 2018, 8:27 pm

Mildly interesting: This puffer creates blocks in an orientation that can be bonked by the 10c/20 it's made of in the same phase as the puffer:
x = 56, y = 19, rule = B3-y4cj/S23-ck4c8
46b5o$45bo4bo$50bo$45bo3bo$47bo4$12b2o38b2o$12bobo37bobo$12bob2o36bob
2o$3o6bo3b2o25b3o6bo3b2o$8bob2obo34bob2obo$3bo7bo31bo7bo$8bob2obo34bob
2obo$3o6bo3b2o25b3o6bo3b2o$12bob2o36bob2o$12bobo37bobo$12b2o38b2o!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Majestas32 » January 17th, 2018, 8:54 pm

A p608 gun has been found in that rule it appears.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Rhombic » January 21st, 2018, 2:33 pm

b3-r4iqs2-a34a boasts a huge number of spaceships of different periods. Currently searching.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Rhombic » January 26th, 2018, 7:57 am

Beautiful infinite novelty pattern from backrake interactions:
x = 941, y = 160, rule = B3/S23-aciy4-jkn
869bobo$869b3o$869bobo$867bobo$867b3o$865b2obo$866b2o5$878bo$876bobo$
877b2o$72bobo$72b3o$72bobo$70bobo$70b3o$68b2obo785bo$69b2o786bobo$857b
2o4$81bo$79bobo$80b2o806bo$886bobo$887b2o4$60bo$60bobo$60b2o785bo$847b
obo$847b2o4$91bo$89bobo748b3o$90b2o750bo55bo$841bo54bobo$897b2o4$50bo
852b3o$50bobo850bo$50b2o852bo$824b3o$826bo$825bo2$43b3o$45bo55bo$44bo
54bobo$100b2o817b3o$919bo$920bo$808b3o$106b3o701bo$106bo702bo$107bo$
27b3o$29bo905bo$28bo905b2o$797b3o134bob2o$798bo136b2o$797b5o134b5o$
801b2o136bo$122b3o675b2obo134b3o$122bo679b2o$123bo678bo$11b3o$13bo$12b
o915bo$927bo$927b3o$138bo678bo$137b2o679bo$3o134bob2o675b3o$bo136b2o$
5o134b5o$4b2o136bo$3b2obo134b3o$5b2o905bo$5bo905bo$911b3o$833bo$131bo
702bo$130bo701b3o$130b3o$20bo$21bo$19b3o$896bo$895bo$838b2o55b3o$838bo
bo$115bo722bo$114bo$114b3o$36bo$37bo$35b3o$888b2o$887bobo$889bo2$99bo$
98bo$41b2o55b3o$41bobo$41bo806b2o$848bobo$848bo4$91b2o$90bobo$92bo785b
2o$877bobo$879bo4$51b2o$51bobo$51bo806b2o$858bobo$858bo4$81b2o$80bobo
786b2o$82bo785bob2o$867b3o$867bobo$865bobo$865b3o$865bobo$61b2o$61bobo
$61bo5$72b2o$71bob2o$70b3o$70bobo$68bobo$68b3o$68bobo!
Notice the weird Z sequence that is printed (by gen. ~70000 you see how pseudo-random it looks)

EDIT: and another. Notice how aperiodicity is achieved by recursion, by deleting gliders (i.e. binary input detection) with still lifes/gliders that were originally the output from the same complex process.
x = 353, y = 208, rule = B3/S23-aciy4-jkn
72bobo$72b3o$72bobo$70bobo$70b3o$68b2obo$69b2o5$81bo$79bobo$80b2o6$60b
o$60bobo$60b2o6$91bo$89bobo$90b2o6$50bo$50bobo$50b2o5$43b3o$45bo55bo$
44bo54bobo$100b2o4$106b3o$106bo$107bo$27b3o$29bo$28bo5$122b3o$122bo$
123bo$11b3o267bobo$13bo267b3o$12bo268bobo$279bobo$279b3o$138bo138b2obo
$137b2o139b2o$3o134bob2o$bo136b2o$5o134b5o$4b2o136bo$3b2obo134b3o146bo
$5b2o281bobo$5bo283b2o3$131bo$130bo$130b3o$20bo248bo$21bo247bobo$19b3o
247b2o5$115bo$114bo185bo$114b3o181bobo$36bo262b2o$37bo$35b3o4$259bo$
99bo159bobo$98bo160b2o$41b2o55b3o$41bobo$41bo2$252b3o$254bo55bo$253bo
54bobo$309b2o$91b2o$90bobo$92bo$315b3o$315bo$316bo$236b3o$238bo$51b2o
184bo$51bobo$51bo3$331b3o$331bo$332bo$81b2o137b3o$80bobo139bo$82bo138b
o3$347bo$346b2o$209b3o134bob2o$61b2o147bo136b2o$61bobo145b5o134b5o$61b
o151b2o136bo$212b2obo134b3o$214b2o$214bo2$72b2o$71bob2o265bo$70b3o266b
o$70bobo266b3o$68bobo158bo$68b3o159bo$68bobo157b3o5$324bo$323bo$323b3o
$245bo$246bo$244b3o5$308bo$307bo$250b2o55b3o$250bobo$250bo6$300b2o$
299bobo$301bo6$260b2o$260bobo$260bo6$290b2o$289bobo$291bo6$270b2o$270b
obo$270bo5$281b2o$280bob2o$279b3o$279bobo$277bobo$277b3o$277bobo!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby 77topaz » January 26th, 2018, 4:49 pm

Rhombic wrote:Beautiful infinite novelty pattern from backrake interactions:
RLE
Notice the weird Z sequence that is printed (by gen. ~70000 you see how pseudo-random it looks)

EDIT: and another. Notice how aperiodicity is achieved by recursion, by deleting gliders (i.e. binary input detection) with still lifes/gliders that were originally the output from the same complex process.
RLE


Those are interesting patterns. Considering this rule is quite close to regular Life, I wonder if infinite novelty could be generated in regular Life by a similar interaction. Nick Gotts has collected several ark interactions that take a very long time to become periodic at this link, but none of those are truly infinite novelty generators.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Rhombic » January 27th, 2018, 2:27 pm

Unfortunately, the hauls for this beautiful rule are about 373 kB for a 25600-soup haul.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » January 27th, 2018, 3:54 pm

Rhombic wrote:Unfortunately, the hauls for this beautiful rule are about 373 kB for a 25600-soup haul.
b2i3-jnqys1c23


Rules like that, rules that combine large hauls with fast searching (10k soups = ~170 KB, at a rate of ~800 soups/sec), should only be searched very carefully so as to not break Catagolue and push it over its quota... encouraging -- asking -- others to contribute is pretty much the polar opposite of what you should be doing with them.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby danny » January 27th, 2018, 3:57 pm

For a rule that is surprisingly searchable, b2en3ij4a5e7e8s1c2cek3-a4aiqw5aky. It features a replicator and many ships and guns.
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby Apple Bottom » January 27th, 2018, 5:34 pm

danny wrote:For a rule that is surprisingly searchable, b2en3ij4a5e7e8s1c2cek3-a4aiqw5aky. It features a replicator and many ships and guns.


Neat rule. I'm tempted to search a higher symmetry on this, but D4_+2 at least averages less than 0.02 soups/sec, so it's not all that feasible to search. (And I don't want to let it run for a week only to find out that it's either gotten stuck on some weird growth pattern, or produced a haul too large to be uploaded. :))

Searching C1, though!
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby gmc_nxtman » January 28th, 2018, 2:26 pm

Can somebody search B2-a3-ai4-an5678/S1e2a5678? I want to see how apgsearch handles its dynamic.

EDIT: Not sure if it will work in all honesty, it's not explosive but it would be very difficult to classify most patterns that come from soup...
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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby A for awesome » January 28th, 2018, 3:06 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Can somebody search B2-a3-ai4-an5678/S1e2a5678? I want to see how apgsearch handles its dynamic.

EDIT: Not sure if it will work in all honesty, it's not explosive but it would be very difficult to classify most patterns that come from soup...

Nice 5c/15 from manual soup searching in that rule:
x = 5, y = 6, rule = B2-a3-ai4-an5678/S1e2a5678
b3o$5o$b3o$5o$2bo$2bo!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: apgsearch - haul requests

Postby 77topaz » January 28th, 2018, 7:24 pm

B2e3-akr5ij78/S23aij4at7e, which contains a small p184 RRO and numerous elementary spaceships (found by 83bismuth38), would be an interesting rule to apgsearch.

x = 81, y = 50, rule = B2e3-akr5ij78/S23aij4at7e
9$21bo$20bobo38b3o$19bobobo37bobo$20bobo38b3o$21bo$26bo40b3o$51b3o14b
3o$24b2o24bob3o13b3o$24bobo22bo3bo15b2o$25bo20bo2bo20bo$44bo3b2o13bobo
$45bobo$43bo5bo$45bobo$44bo3bo$46bo2$68bo$68b3o$68bo6bo$74b2o$72b4o$
49b3o19b4o$48b3o$48bo$48bobo$48bob2o$49b2o11bo3bo3b2o$50bo10b3o4bo$51b
2o8b2o8bo$51bo9b2o4bo$61bo7b3o$67bo$66bo!


x = 4, y = 44, rule = B2e3-akr5ij78/S23aij4at7e
bo$o2bo$o2bo$bo3$bo$o2bo$o2bo$bo$2bo3$2bo$bo$o2bo$o2bo$bo$2bo3$2bo$bo$
o2bo$bo$2bo3$bo$o2bo$bo$2bo3$2b2o$bo$bo$2b2o3$bo$o$o2bo$b2o!
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