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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby AforAmpere » August 14th, 2017, 7:37 pm

How would I implement this idea? I probably should get on the wiki first, but what from there?
Things to work on:
- An Isotropic version of All_Speeds
- Find more ships in B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
- Find a p4 knightship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby muzik » August 14th, 2017, 7:46 pm

There'd probably be a central sort of hub page, like "LifeWiki:Smallest Spaceships Supportng Specific Speeds", which would then lead to certain lists. I'm not sure how they should be laid outl but I have two ideas.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby AforAmpere » August 14th, 2017, 7:55 pm

Maybe you could start the work on page, because I need to wait until I am added to the "trusted" list. I am not sure of what format a port to the website should be in, however.
Things to work on:
- An Isotropic version of All_Speeds
- Find more ships in B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
- Find a p4 knightship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby toroidalet » August 14th, 2017, 10:12 pm

muzik wrote:What are your opinions on maybe hosting the collection on the wiki, so that it can be updated by anyone?

A suggestion: There's a page that only certain users can edit which contains all the ships, and a peer-review page, where people can submit ships.
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x = 37, y = 32, rule = B2ac5a/S01e
31b2obo3$34bobo$32b5o$29bo$32b5o$34bobo3$31b2obo2$3bo$19bo$3bo14bo8bo$
obobobo11bo8bo$bo3bo13bo$11bo2$31b2obo2$17b2obo$34bobo$32b5o$20bobo6bo
$18b5o9b5o$15bo18bobo$18b5o$20bobo$31b2obo2$17b2obo!

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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby Rhombic » August 15th, 2017, 11:14 am

Cheeky bookends. (6,1)/78 SWst
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B35-ajnr6a/S2-i3-kq5i
b3o$o2bo$2o!

Not only that, it's also rule-precise, with this being the only rule in which it works. There are 8 MAP rules in which rotations and reflections of the spaceship work though, because it is not glide symmetric or a rotating oscillator.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby muzik » August 15th, 2017, 11:18 am

If we're going to be migrating to the wiki, there's two ways we could sort out spaceships:

1. The main hub would list all the known directions. Clicking on one of these directions would give the perfectness of the speed (c/n, 2c/n, 3c/n, etc). Clicking one one of these perfection indicators would then list the spaceship RLEs.

2. The main hub would list all periods. Clicking on one of the periods would list the RLEs of all the smallest ships of each direction/speed combo with said period.

I'll have to bring this subject up at the tiki bar first, though.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 15th, 2017, 2:17 pm

muzik wrote:If we're going to be migrating to the wiki, there's two ways we could sort out spaceships:

1. The main hub would list all the known directions. Clicking on one of these directions would give the perfectness of the speed (c/n, 2c/n, 3c/n, etc). Clicking one one of these perfection indicators would then list the spaceship RLEs.

2. The main hub would list all periods. Clicking on one of the periods would list the RLEs of all the smallest ships of each direction/speed combo with said period.

I'll have to bring this subject up at the tiki bar first, though.

The period listing appears to be the better choice in my opinion simply because each period's page can simply be a table of displacements looking something like this:
pN
(X,Y)
(1,0) (1,1)
(2,0) (2,1) (2,2)
(3,0) (3,1) (3,2) (3,3)
(4,0) (4,1) (4,2) (4,3) (4,4)
etc.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby AforAmpere » August 15th, 2017, 3:05 pm

I would agree that period listing is better, because it also allows which ships are missing up to a certain period. For instance, I can look at my list and quickly see that I am missing a 5c/6 orthogonal ship, without having to scroll down for a very long time.
Things to work on:
- An Isotropic version of All_Speeds
- Find more ships in B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
- Find a p4 knightship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby muzik » August 15th, 2017, 3:21 pm

Another advantage is that pages can be effectively "completed", since there's a limit to the different directions and speeds a period-n ship can travel.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby AforAmpere » August 15th, 2017, 3:54 pm

So how do we start this?
Things to work on:
- An Isotropic version of All_Speeds
- Find more ships in B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
- Find a p4 knightship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby muzik » August 15th, 2017, 4:08 pm

AforAmpere wrote:So how do we start this?

I'll post something on the tiki bar whenever I feel up to doing it, in case anyone has any objections.

Also, I want to know if the wiki has an equivalent to the sort of code tags that optionally display LifeViewer, so I can put the RLEs in these.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby AforAmpere » August 17th, 2017, 2:37 pm

I added a test page on my Userpage on the wiki, is this format acceptable? I don't know if you guys could edit it or not. Please give me some feedback, and maybe this project can be transferred there. The testpage.
Things to work on:
- An Isotropic version of All_Speeds
- Find more ships in B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
- Find a p4 knightship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby muzik » August 17th, 2017, 3:40 pm

I would prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby drc » August 17th, 2017, 3:43 pm

muzik wrote:I would prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.

I feel like that would kind of be a waste, in my opinion, but hey to each his own.

I don't like cluttering my history, either.

EDIT: Also, having to switch pages would be really annoying. In AforAmpere's mockup,you can easily utilize Ctrl+F.

Maybe we could also have it so there's a way to show or hide viewers? Maybe make it so that the viewer only loads if you hit show so it wouldn't make the page super laggy?
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 17th, 2017, 3:49 pm

AforAmpere wrote:I added a test page on my Userpage on the wiki, is this format acceptable? I don't know if you guys could edit it or not. Please give me some feedback, and maybe this project can be transferred there. The testpage.

That looks like a good start to me but it's a bit awkward to read right now.
Maybe we could set it up similar to Niemiec's object pages, where the ship images are displayed in a grid and an HTML imagemap or whatever allows the user to fetch RLEs.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby muzik » August 17th, 2017, 4:02 pm

drc wrote:
muzik wrote:I would prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.

I feel like that would kind of be a waste, in my opinion, but hey to each his own.

I don't like cluttering my history, either.

The page would get really cluttered if every single ship was on the same page, though.

EDIT: should I make a mockup to convey my thoughts on the idea?
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby AforAmpere » August 17th, 2017, 4:58 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:Maybe we could set it up similar to Niemiec's object pages, where the ship images are displayed in a grid and an HTML imagemap or whatever allows the user to fetch RLEs.


Where would this be done? ON a wiki page, or somewhere else? Also, I do think that that format would be nice, but it definitely should be labeled differently than Niemiec's pages.

muzik wrote:I'd prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.


I think that might be too much, maybe 3 or so on each page, just so that the pages are more than three lines.

muzik also wrote:The page would get really cluttered if every single ship was on the same page, though.


We should have them on separate pages, definitely, but probably similar to how Niemiec's website is split into different pages. Lots of stuff on each page.
Things to work on:
- An Isotropic version of All_Speeds
- Find more ships in B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
- Find a p4 knightship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby wwei23 » August 17th, 2017, 5:28 pm

We can tabulate in the Sandbox, like I did for Oscillators In Near-Life Rules Not Supported In Life.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby muzik » August 17th, 2017, 5:49 pm

AforAmpere wrote:
muzik wrote:I'd prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.


I think that might be too much, maybe 3 or so on each page, just so that the pages are more than three lines.

Only the really low periods would have like 3 lines. When we get to the higher periods, they'll probably get a lot longer.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby toroidalet » August 18th, 2017, 10:31 pm

wwei23 wrote:We can tabulate in the Sandbox, like I did for Oscillators In Near-Life Rules Not Supported In Life.

No, that wouldn't work very well. (60k character limit)
13c/37 ship, 36 cells:
x = 23, y = 16, rule = B3-cky4e6ci8/S23-e
19b3o$2bo15bo3bo$2bo14b2obobo$2o16bo3bo$19b3o7$19b3o$2o16bo3bo$2bo14b
2obobo$2bo15bo3bo$19b3o!

14c/40, 4 cells:
x = 2, y = 3, rule = B3-cy4e5j6ci8/S23-e
bo$2o$bo!
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby wwei23 » August 19th, 2017, 9:36 am

Spaceship, anyone? It's a (20,7)c/68(?):
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3/S234y
bo$b2o$2o!
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby toroidalet » August 19th, 2017, 11:03 am

wwei23 wrote:Spaceship, anyone? It's a (20,7)c/68(?):

That won't work very well. It only works between B34e/S234y5e and B3/S234y. All of those rules are explosive. Good luck trying.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby wwei23 » August 19th, 2017, 12:23 pm

c/7 orthogonal in a rule with too many 2c/4s:
x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo!

EDIT:
That's a little better:
x = 4, y = 5, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bo$3bo$obo$3bo$bo!

Also, this rule has 3 very common spaceships, and a fourth reasonably common one.
Oh dear, a fifth ship:
x = 7, y = 49, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobobo$4b2o6$2bobo$bo3b
o2$obobobo$2o3b2o6$bobo$o3bo2$bobo3$bobo$2bo$2bo!

Separation issues:
x = 7, y = 59, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobobo$4b2o6$2bobo$bo3b
o2$obobobo$2o3b2o16$bobo$o3bo2$bobo3$bobo$2bo$2bo!

x = 7, y = 64, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$o3bo2$bobo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobobo$4b2o6$2bobo$bo3bo2$obobobo$2o3b2o
16$bobo$o3bo2$bobo3$bobo$2bo$2bo12$bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo!
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby AforAmpere » August 19th, 2017, 12:26 pm

We all keep asking you this: Please check the list before posting, I already have a 3-cell example. The forums are not your playground, and the rules for this thread have already been established, so please actually follow them.
x = 4, y = 1, rule = B2-an3kr4acr5acj6aik7e8/S1e2-ce3aey4akntz5airy6ak7e8
ob2o!
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- Find more ships in B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y
- Find a p4 knightship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project

Postby wwei23 » August 19th, 2017, 12:33 pm

I just got the Liszt. All of them. I just thought that 3 cells for c/7 would be inconceivable.
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