Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
How would I implement this idea? I probably should get on the wiki first, but what from there?
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
There'd probably be a central sort of hub page, like "LifeWiki:Smallest Spaceships Supportng Specific Speeds", which would then lead to certain lists. I'm not sure how they should be laid outl but I have two ideas.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Maybe you could start the work on page, because I need to wait until I am added to the "trusted" list. I am not sure of what format a port to the website should be in, however.
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
A suggestion: There's a page that only certain users can edit which contains all the ships, and a peer-review page, where people can submit ships.muzik wrote:What are your opinions on maybe hosting the collection on the wiki, so that it can be updated by anyone?
8c/10:
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x = 37, y = 32, rule = B2ac5a/S01e
31b2obo3$34bobo$32b5o$29bo$32b5o$34bobo3$31b2obo2$3bo$19bo$3bo14bo8bo$
obobobo11bo8bo$bo3bo13bo$11bo2$31b2obo2$17b2obo$34bobo$32b5o$20bobo6bo
$18b5o9b5o$15bo18bobo$18b5o$20bobo$31b2obo2$17b2obo!
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Cheeky bookends. (6,1)/78 SWst
Not only that, it's also rule-precise, with this being the only rule in which it works. There are 8 MAP rules in which rotations and reflections of the spaceship work though, because it is not glide symmetric or a rotating oscillator.
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x = 4, y = 3, rule = B35-ajnr6a/S2-i3-kq5i
b3o$o2bo$2o!
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
If we're going to be migrating to the wiki, there's two ways we could sort out spaceships:
1. The main hub would list all the known directions. Clicking on one of these directions would give the perfectness of the speed (c/n, 2c/n, 3c/n, etc). Clicking one one of these perfection indicators would then list the spaceship RLEs.
2. The main hub would list all periods. Clicking on one of the periods would list the RLEs of all the smallest ships of each direction/speed combo with said period.
I'll have to bring this subject up at the tiki bar first, though.
1. The main hub would list all the known directions. Clicking on one of these directions would give the perfectness of the speed (c/n, 2c/n, 3c/n, etc). Clicking one one of these perfection indicators would then list the spaceship RLEs.
2. The main hub would list all periods. Clicking on one of the periods would list the RLEs of all the smallest ships of each direction/speed combo with said period.
I'll have to bring this subject up at the tiki bar first, though.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
The period listing appears to be the better choice in my opinion simply because each period's page can simply be a table of displacements looking something like this:muzik wrote:If we're going to be migrating to the wiki, there's two ways we could sort out spaceships:
1. The main hub would list all the known directions. Clicking on one of these directions would give the perfectness of the speed (c/n, 2c/n, 3c/n, etc). Clicking one one of these perfection indicators would then list the spaceship RLEs.
2. The main hub would list all periods. Clicking on one of the periods would list the RLEs of all the smallest ships of each direction/speed combo with said period.
I'll have to bring this subject up at the tiki bar first, though.
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pN
(X,Y)
(1,0) (1,1)
(2,0) (2,1) (2,2)
(3,0) (3,1) (3,2) (3,3)
(4,0) (4,1) (4,2) (4,3) (4,4)
etc.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
I would agree that period listing is better, because it also allows which ships are missing up to a certain period. For instance, I can look at my list and quickly see that I am missing a 5c/6 orthogonal ship, without having to scroll down for a very long time.
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Another advantage is that pages can be effectively "completed", since there's a limit to the different directions and speeds a period-n ship can travel.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
So how do we start this?
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
I'll post something on the tiki bar whenever I feel up to doing it, in case anyone has any objections.AforAmpere wrote:So how do we start this?
Also, I want to know if the wiki has an equivalent to the sort of code tags that optionally display LifeViewer, so I can put the RLEs in these.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
I added a test page on my Userpage on the wiki, is this format acceptable? I don't know if you guys could edit it or not. Please give me some feedback, and maybe this project can be transferred there. The testpage.
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
I would prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.
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I feel like that would kind of be a waste, in my opinion, but hey to each his own.muzik wrote:I would prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.
I don't like cluttering my history, either.
EDIT: Also, having to switch pages would be really annoying. In AforAmpere's mockup,you can easily utilize Ctrl+F.
Maybe we could also have it so there's a way to show or hide viewers? Maybe make it so that the viewer only loads if you hit show so it wouldn't make the page super laggy?
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
That looks like a good start to me but it's a bit awkward to read right now.AforAmpere wrote:I added a test page on my Userpage on the wiki, is this format acceptable? I don't know if you guys could edit it or not. Please give me some feedback, and maybe this project can be transferred there. The testpage.
Maybe we could set it up similar to Niemiec's object pages, where the ship images are displayed in a grid and an HTML imagemap or whatever allows the user to fetch RLEs.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
The page would get really cluttered if every single ship was on the same page, though.drc wrote:I feel like that would kind of be a waste, in my opinion, but hey to each his own.muzik wrote:I would prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.
I don't like cluttering my history, either.
EDIT: should I make a mockup to convey my thoughts on the idea?
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Where would this be done? ON a wiki page, or somewhere else? Also, I do think that that format would be nice, but it definitely should be labeled differently than Niemiec's pages.BlinkerSpawn wrote: Maybe we could set it up similar to Niemiec's object pages, where the ship images are displayed in a grid and an HTML imagemap or whatever allows the user to fetch RLEs.
I think that might be too much, maybe 3 or so on each page, just so that the pages are more than three lines.muzik wrote: I'd prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.
We should have them on separate pages, definitely, but probably similar to how Niemiec's website is split into different pages. Lots of stuff on each page.muzik also wrote: The page would get really cluttered if every single ship was on the same page, though.
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
We can tabulate in the Sandbox, like I did for Oscillators In Near-Life Rules Not Supported In Life.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Only the really low periods would have like 3 lines. When we get to the higher periods, they'll probably get a lot longer.AforAmpere wrote:I think that might be too much, maybe 3 or so on each page, just so that the pages are more than three lines.muzik wrote: I'd prefer it if each period was split off into a different page.
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
No, that wouldn't work very well. (60k character limit)wwei23 wrote:We can tabulate in the Sandbox, like I did for Oscillators In Near-Life Rules Not Supported In Life.
13c/37 ship, 36 cells:
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x = 23, y = 16, rule = B3-cky4e6ci8/S23-e
19b3o$2bo15bo3bo$2bo14b2obobo$2o16bo3bo$19b3o7$19b3o$2o16bo3bo$2bo14b
2obobo$2bo15bo3bo$19b3o!
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x = 2, y = 3, rule = B3-cy4e5j6ci8/S23-e
bo$2o$bo!
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
Spaceship, anyone? It's a (20,7)c/68(?):
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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3/S234y
bo$b2o$2o!
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That won't work very well. It only works between B34e/S234y5e and B3/S234y. All of those rules are explosive. Good luck trying.wwei23 wrote:Spaceship, anyone? It's a (20,7)c/68(?):
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
c/7 orthogonal in a rule with too many 2c/4s:
EDIT:
That's a little better:
Also, this rule has 3 very common spaceships, and a fourth reasonably common one.
Oh dear, a fifth ship:
Separation issues:
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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo!
That's a little better:
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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bo$3bo$obo$3bo$bo!
Oh dear, a fifth ship:
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x = 7, y = 49, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobobo$4b2o6$2bobo$bo3b
o2$obobobo$2o3b2o6$bobo$o3bo2$bobo3$bobo$2bo$2bo!
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x = 7, y = 59, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobobo$4b2o6$2bobo$bo3b
o2$obobobo$2o3b2o16$bobo$o3bo2$bobo3$bobo$2bo$2bo!
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x = 7, y = 64, rule = B2-a3cinq4nw/S1e
bobo$o3bo2$bobo7$bobo$o3bo2$bobobo$4b2o6$2bobo$bo3bo2$obobobo$2o3b2o
16$bobo$o3bo2$bobo3$bobo$2bo$2bo12$bobo$2bo$o3bo$2bo!
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Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
We all keep asking you this: Please check the list before posting, I already have a 3-cell example. The forums are not your playground, and the rules for this thread have already been established, so please actually follow them.
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x = 4, y = 1, rule = B2-an3kr4acr5acj6aik7e8/S1e2-ce3aey4akntz5airy6ak7e8
ob2o!
I manage the 5S project, which collects all known spaceship speeds in Isotropic Non-totalistic rules. I also wrote EPE, a tool for searching in the INT rulespace.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Things to work on:
- Find (7,1)c/8 and 9c/10 ships in non-B0 INT.
- EPE improvements.
Re: Smallest Spaceships Supporting Specific Speeds (5s) Project
I just got the Liszt. All of them. I just thought that 3 cells for c/7 would be inconceivable.