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## Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

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### Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

The SMOS collection is a collection of spaceships that are made up of other spaceships, usually gliders. The ships will collide and the mess they have created will respawn the ships.
Here are some:
11c/77
x = 3, y = 19, rule = B2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7e/S2aek3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7c8bo$2bo$3o14$3o$2bo$bo! 5c/47 x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2k3-ekry4centyz5ikry6aei7c/S02aen3ijnr4aijrty5iy6an8bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!

2c/25
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2n3-cqr4-ijkrw5-acny6cei7c/S2-ik3ijknr4aei5nqr6akbo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo! 3c/66 x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2n3aijn4ntwz5acek6ikn7e/S2-k3-cy4ajrwyz5ac6c7cbo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!

3c/53
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2n3-kr4ejq5aei6-ak7c8/S02ace3-ei4cijnrz5aikq6aik7ebo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo! 6c/137 x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2k3-eky4cejkntz5aeikq6-c7e/S2ae3-acek4acij5ceq6ik7bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!

4c/17
x = 3, y = 9, rule = B3acijn4-aijkr5ir6aci7c/S2ae3ijknr4aceijqy5ckr6eknbo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo! Everyone, please stop posting B/S about CA The Bugs Range 1 to 100 Project Saka Posts: 1921 Joined: June 19th, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: In the kingdom of Sultan Hamengkubuwono X ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) From this thread x = 9, y = 9, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r8bo$6bobo$8bo4$bo2$3o! x = 9, y = 10, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r3o2$bo5$7bo$7b2o$7bo! both c/63 diagonal. x = 10, y = 14, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r7b3o2$8bo3$bobo$bobo$o3bo2$2bo2$3bo$2bobo$2bobo! c/47 orthogonal. I have the best signature ever. toroidalet Posts: 676 Joined: August 7th, 2016, 1:48 pm Location: Somewhere on a planet called "Earth" ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) toroidalet wrote:From this thread x = 9, y = 9, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r8bo$6bobo$8bo4$bo2$3o! x = 9, y = 10, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r3o2$bo5$7bo$7b2o$7bo! both c/63 diagonal. x = 10, y = 14, rule = B2ce3aiy/S12aei3r7b3o2$8bo3$bobo$bobo$o3bo2$2bo2$3bo$2bobo$2bobo! c/47 orthogonal. Oh yeah, forgot about those. I'm not sure if the last one counts, it's a rake-based ship but the rake itself is made of gliders. Everyone, please stop posting B/S about CA The Bugs Range 1 to 100 Project Saka Posts: 1921 Joined: June 19th, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: In the kingdom of Sultan Hamengkubuwono X ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) I've been thinking of making one of these in plain-vanilla Life, but it would need... um... a few more gliders. -- Aha, see, only one paragraph! ... But the linked message has five paragraphs, right in line with the prediction, and the message that that message links to is even worse. Drat. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 3860 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) dvgrn wrote:I've been thinking of making one of these in plain-vanilla Life, but it would need... um... a few more gliders. I love the idea of that. Have any prototypes been made? dvgrn wrote:-- Aha, see, only one paragraph! ... But the linked message has five paragraphs, right in line with the prediction, and the message that that message links to is even worse. Drat. I AM A PSYCHIIIIIIIC Anyway, has anyone tried using different glider formations or even different spaceships? Everyone, please stop posting B/S about CA The Bugs Range 1 to 100 Project Saka Posts: 1921 Joined: June 19th, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: In the kingdom of Sultan Hamengkubuwono X ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) I tried (really stupid and brief) searches using lwsses and tlife ts. Nothing. 2c/n spaceships project Current priorities: see here muzik Posts: 2462 Joined: January 28th, 2016, 2:47 pm Location: Scotland ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) Saka wrote: dvgrn wrote:I've been thinking of making one of these in plain-vanilla Life, but it would need... um... a few more gliders. I love the idea of that. Have any prototypes been made? Well, it's definitely a work in progress. More in the blueprint stage for the moment, though. Usually in these macro-ships the first construction plan turns out to be a lot bigger and more complicated than necessary, so it's worth kicking around different designs for quite a while before committing to one. The original plan I posted in Basic Questions was pretty detailed, but it involved a long thin memory loop that was parallel to the incoming stream of gliders. Macbi's suggestion yesterday uses a memory loop perpendicular to the gliders. The next stage might be to plot out whether one of these designs is a lot easier to implement than the other, for whatever reason. Macbi has also repaired my lousy math, showing that there's even less space in a Cordership-generated memory loop than I thought. It may turn out that the idea of a Lone Parallel Glider will turn into Two Parallel Salvos, somewhat analogous to the Gemini. Why waste all that time reaching way over to the side to build a big enough memory loop, when there could be another cooperating salvo over there already, building its half of two loops? Then each salvo would use one of the loops to get itself back from haploid to diploid again, after which both loops self-destruct and we move on to the all-gliders stage in the next cycle. Further bulletins as events warrant (probably mostly in the Self-Synthesizing Spaceship thread.) EDIT: First blueprint. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 3860 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) muzik wrote:I tried (really stupid and brief) searches using lwsses and tlife ts. Nothing. I tried T-ships, 1M and nothing too. 4c/28 x = 9, y = 3, rule = B2kn3aijnq4jt5iry6ain7c/S2aek3-ae4inry5cei6cn7cbo5bo$2bo3bo$3o3b3o! 6c/47 x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2k3-ckr4eknty5i6-ae/S02ae3ajnr4cnqz5cejr6en8bo$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo!
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3c/76 T-ship:
x = 3, y = 8, rule = B34eijktz5ainq6-ci7c/S2-in3-cjkq4ijyz5k6akn7e83o$bo4$3o$3o$bo!

5c/63:
x = 3, y = 8, rule = B34cknqrw5cikr6-k7e/S2ace3-cjkq5y3o$bo4$3o$3o$bo!

c/20:
x = 3, y = 8, rule = B3-k4einqtz5cinr6in/S2ac3-cjkn4w5er6ae3o$bo4$3o$3o$bo!

(HINT: If the 2 ts are in the same phase, the search will go nowhere. I leave this to the reader to figure out.)
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Well, the symmetries would clearly stop it from being a spaceship in any isotropic rule, assuming they're hitting head on. They probably could be a spaceship if they collided at 90 degree angles in the same phase.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

muzik wrote:They probably could be a spaceship if they collided at 90 degree angles in the same phase.

Here's an example of that (c/60 diagonal):
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2n3-kn4ejrtz5-aeiy6k7/S2-i3-cn4eijqrwy5aen6en7e85bo$4b2o$5bo2$bo$3o!

EDIT: c/53 diagonal:
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2in3-kn4kryz5iknr6ek7c/S2-ei3-cr4cjkqy5-aikr5bo$4b2o$5bo2$bo$3o!

c/34 diagonal:
x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2n3-cq4cejrwz5cjnr6ei7/S2ace3-qr4cnry5cknry6ak85bo$4b2o$5bo2$bo$3o!

Same:
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3-cknq4cnr5nr6k/S2acn3-c4iknqry5-ei6-ck7c4bo$3b2o$4bo$bo$3o!

c/18 diagonal:
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3-c4eijnwz6ek7e/S2ac3aceiy4cijrz5acjy6-ac7e4bo$3b2o$4bo$bo$3o!

6c/122 diagonal:
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B3-cknq4enr5qry6aei8/S2-ik3-c4cejqrwy5-eijk6-ac4bo$3b2o$4bo$bo$3o!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Yay!
So, the keys to finding one are:
1. Make diagonals collide on an orthogonal axis, and make orthogonals collide on a diagonal axis.
2. If doing step 1, make ships the same phase.
3. Try doing different phases.
4. Try messing with spacing.
5. Be patient, most dont show up until more than 100k rules.
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2c/45d
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2i3-cq4ery5-ae6n8/S2-i3-jnr4ejknqry5eknqy6ikn7e86bo$5b2o$6bo3$bo$3o!

EDIT:
Awesome 4c/60!
x = 3, y = 17, rule = B2n3-ckq4-aceir5-aejy6-in7c8/S2ace3-jqr4cnz5ekny6k7e8bo$3o$3o11$bo$obo2$3o! A different glider formation 3c/43 x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3aijn4w5ce6ce7c/S2-n3-aq4aeqrtw5-ce6ai7cbo$2bo$3o4$6b2o$6bobo$6bo!

2c/54
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B2i3-ekq4acejkwy5ery6-kn7c8/S2-c3-a4ijnt5aeqry6-aibo$2bo$3o4$6b2o$6bobo$6bo! Couldn't find an LWSS SMOS ANOTHER EDIT: New ship that's super quick: 3c/38 x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2cen6e7e/S12-in3ijy4kqrt5jkqr6-ik7bo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo! 2c/51 x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2-ai3q4ceryz5cjnqr6-ik7e8/S12-in3a4eijrz5aik6-en7ebo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo! 4c/34 x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2cen3aceky4cinrtz5ijr6ein7e8/S12aek3ei4knqr5a6ai7ebo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo! c/10 x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2ce3e4iy7c/S12-n3acein4acjnqr5-iknr6ek7cbo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo! c/11 x = 7, y = 3, rule = B2cek3ay4ijz5aekn6cei7/S12-ci3acnq4nqyz5cnry6i7cbo3bo$bo3bo$o5bo! 4c/34, different spacing x = 9, y = 3, rule = B2ce6in/S12-in3acekn4cjnqy5aiy6ek8bo5bo$bo5bo$o7bo! Yet more edits: c/21d with an old classic ship x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3aij4a6c/S12ei3-cny4-jy5-cen6e7c83b4o$4b2o2$o$2o$2o$o!

2c/30d
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ik3-ckq4-jrwz5-cjny6-e7e8/S01e2i3aci4aknqrw5jk7e3b4o$4b2o2$o$2o$2o$o! EDIT: This post is huge! Another new spaceship, 3c/22d x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ek3-cjnq4akz5k6-ac7e/S1c2-in3ejq4kry5enqry6i5b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo! 2c/12d x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2en3ceijy4ae5ekn6an7c8/S2-in3i5c5b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo! c/55d x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2eik3-ckny4cjkqwy5ekqr6ik7c/S2-in3k5j6a7c5b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo! c/44d x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2en3ijkqr4cnqrt5acnq6en7/S2-in3ijkr4ejtwy5cjqy6-ei7e85b2o$5bo$5b2o3$3o$obo! Everyone, please stop posting B/S about CA The Bugs Range 1 to 100 Project Saka Posts: 1921 Joined: June 19th, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: In the kingdom of Sultan Hamengkubuwono X ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) Does this count? x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2-a/S122bo$2o6$8b2o$8bo$8bo! Last edited by Hdjensofjfnen on September 3rd, 2017, 2:28 pm, edited 1 time in total. Life is hard. Deal with it. Pattern of the month (September 2017): #C [[ AUTOFIT ]]x = 7, y = 9, rule = B34tw/S232o$2o$4b2o$6bo$3bo2bo$6bo$4b2o$2o$2o! Hdjensofjfnen Posts: 383 Joined: March 15th, 2016, 6:41 pm Location: (394234, -234231) ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) That doesn't count, since the spaceships aren't being regenerated to collide with each other repeatedly. 2c/n spaceships project Current priorities: see here muzik Posts: 2462 Joined: January 28th, 2016, 2:47 pm Location: Scotland ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) (deleted) Last edited by Hdjensofjfnen on September 3rd, 2017, 5:32 pm, edited 1 time in total. Life is hard. Deal with it. Pattern of the month (September 2017): #C [[ AUTOFIT ]]x = 7, y = 9, rule = B34tw/S232o$2o$4b2o$6bo$3bo2bo$6bo$4b2o$2o$2o! Hdjensofjfnen Posts: 383 Joined: March 15th, 2016, 6:41 pm Location: (394234, -234231) ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) So they have to be SMOShed together to count? Life is hard. Deal with it. Pattern of the month (September 2017): #C [[ AUTOFIT ]]x = 7, y = 9, rule = B34tw/S232o$2o$4b2o$6bo$3bo2bo$6bo$4b2o$2o$2o! Hdjensofjfnen Posts: 383 Joined: March 15th, 2016, 6:41 pm Location: (394234, -234231) ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) c/26 diagonal: x = 7, y = 8, rule = B3-cknq5kr6c/S2ac3-r4ceiknyz5cjnr6ikn7e83o$bo4$6bo$5b2o$6bo! 6c/71 diagonal: x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3-ckq5ay7e/S2-i3aeiky4eijknqr5acjky6ei3o$bo7$9bo$8b2o$9bo! c/27 diagonal: x = 6, y = 7, rule = B2in3-knq4cejknty5-ceqr6aci7c/S2ack3-cjr4-akntz5acejn6en7c83o$bo3$5bo$4b2o$5bo! I have the best signature ever. toroidalet Posts: 676 Joined: August 7th, 2016, 1:48 pm Location: Somewhere on a planet called "Earth" ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) Hdjensofjfnen wrote:So they have to be SMOShed together to count? Sometimes I at my own jokes... And sometimes I think they're stupid. Life is hard. Deal with it. Pattern of the month (September 2017): #C [[ AUTOFIT ]]x = 7, y = 9, rule = B34tw/S232o$2o$4b2o$6bo$3bo2bo$6bo$4b2o$2o$2o! Hdjensofjfnen Posts: 383 Joined: March 15th, 2016, 6:41 pm Location: (394234, -234231) ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) Hdjensofjfnen wrote:Sometimes I at my own jokes... And sometimes I think they're stupid. Just stop posting (or make posts relevant). It was annoying to log on only to find out that you had just posted a ton of (mostly) useless comments about other things. really sparky 2c/31: x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2n3-ckry4aiqyz5akry6ei7e/S2ace3-acqy4ijnry5acin6e72bo$obo$b2o6$b2o$obo$2bo!

[off-topic]This ship can delete gliders from afar:
x = 19, y = 11, rule = B2n3-ckry4aiqyz5akry6ei7e/S2ace3-acqy4ijnry5acin6e717bo$16bo$bo14b3o$2bo$3o4$3o$2bo$bo! [/off-topic] I have the best signature ever. toroidalet Posts: 676 Joined: August 7th, 2016, 1:48 pm Location: Somewhere on a planet called "Earth" ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) Oh. My. God 9c/168 x = 11, y = 3, rule = B2cen3cy4-ainq5cejnr6aik8/S12-in3ejq4rwz5j7c8bo7bo$bo7bo$o9bo! It qualifies a lot of criteria for a pattern I consider "Utterly Amazing": >Is a spaceship >Is a SMOS >Far glider seperation >Seems like an explosive soup (AKA. "Reaction ships") >"Irregular" speed >Odd numerator >Natural reflection reaction >Endemic (Only works in 1 rule) Just missing "odd denominator", "uber sparky", and "oblique", but "oblique" is not possible with this design. EDIT: 3c/31d x = 8, y = 8, rule = B2eik3-cjk4-ijqtz5-iry6ae7c8/S2-i3jnr4aew5y6aek76b2o$6bo$6b2o4$3o$obo! 4c/53, different spacing x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2kn3aeijn4-krt5iqr6ace7e8/S2aei3aijnr4cr5y7cbo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!

2c/26
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3-kry4q5q6ck/S02aen3-ckqy4acinqw5eijq6en78bo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo! 5c/30 x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2kn3-cer4acejkqw5cjkqy6ack7/S02-k3-ai4atw5jky6eik7cbo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!

A different 2c/33 that's really non-monotonic
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3aijnq4a5k6a/S2-ci3ajnqr4arw6ackbo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo! 4c/28 x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2k3aijny4a/S02aen3ijnr4cejnty5jn6ik7ebo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo!

2c/155
x = 3, y = 10, rule = B2kn3-cekr4aintwyz5-eikn6-en7c8/S2aei3jnr4acejrw5i6inbo$2bo$3o5$3o$2bo$bo! Last edited by Saka on September 7th, 2017, 7:15 am, edited 1 time in total. Everyone, please stop posting B/S about CA The Bugs Range 1 to 100 Project Saka Posts: 1921 Joined: June 19th, 2015, 8:50 pm Location: In the kingdom of Sultan Hamengkubuwono X ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) New formation, c/65d. x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2cei3ae4cijtwz5aenqr6cei78/S123jk4aqrwy5cq6cei7c2bo$2o3$6bo$5bo$5bo! I have devised a (terrible) scoring system: s = separation of gliders by cells ts = time for separation after collided (First touching/interacting) in gens (First touch is not counted) p = period bonus points (BP): -Sparky (Has interactable sparks) -Shows interesting reactions (Reflection etc.) -Wrong direction (Only for orthogonals made of diagonals and diagonals made of orthogonals) S_Score = (s/ts + ((s/ts) * BP))*p So for example, the ship above has s = 5 (See gen 58), ts = 51 (Gen 7 to 58), p = 65, and 1 bonus point (Sparky), shown below: x = 9, y = 12, rule = B2cei3ae4cijtwz5aenqr6cei78/S123jk4aqrwy5cq6cei7c8bo$6b2o4$2bo$2o3$6bo$5bo$5bo! So this gives (5/51 + 5/51)*65 = (10/51)*65 = 12.35 The ship has an S_Score of 12.35 If somebody has a better score system then please do. Another example: x = 3, y = 19, rule = B2k3-ckqy4ej5q6in7e/S2aek3-acqy4iqty5cejk6c7c8bo$2bo$3o14$3o$2bo$bo!
(The first in the thread)
s = 13
ts = 52
p = 77
BP = 0
13/52*77 = 19.25
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3c/63d
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2-a3cq4eijqy5kry6ae7/S12aek3a5j2bo$2o3$6bo$5bo$5bo!

s = 3
ts = 58
p = 63
BP = 0
3/58*63 = 3.26
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Saka wrote:9c/168
[snip]
>Odd denominator
[snip]
Just missing "odd numerator"

FYI, it has an odd numerator, not denominator.
4c/52:
x = 4, y = 9, rule = B2ci3aijky4iz5cejq8/S1c2aei3-ey4cqrtyz5iknry6cn7co2bo$b3o6$b3o$o2bo! I have the best signature ever. toroidalet Posts: 676 Joined: August 7th, 2016, 1:48 pm Location: Somewhere on a planet called "Earth" ### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS) Back in business!! 4c/55o x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2k3-eqry4cez5akqy6-ae78/S02aei3-cy4aijqy5jr6-ce7c8bo$2bo$3o6$3o$2bo$bo!
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