## Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Saka wrote:
83bismuth38 wrote:i got no rule about this, but it seems cool. I'm gonna search for rules like this.

1. Use Rhombic's RuleSrc and make the following formation as a start:
`x = 3, y = 10, rule = B3/S23bo\$2bo\$3o5\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`

Set the generations to keep to 4. Now, wait, ships usually come from 60K to over 100K rules tested.

2. For a SMOS made of a SMOS, we would need a "very natural" SMOS that is versatile.

python doesn't work for me for some reason, and i saw an another thread that you can convert python to lua. please send a link ):
`x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o\$3b2o\$2b3o\$4bobo\$2obobobo\$3bo2bo\$2bobo2bo\$2bo4bo\$2bo4bo\$2bo!`

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Some examples with a small c/2 ship

diagonal, 2c/40
`x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2-ac3-aeqr4ciknry5-ikry6aei7c8/S1c2cei4w5n6c7bobo\$8bo6\$o\$bo\$o!`

diagonal, 3c/131
`x = 12, y = 12, rule = B2eik3cijry4aijntwy5ejknq6ek7c/S1c2ce3eq4et5c11bo\$10bo\$11bo8\$bo\$obo!`

orthogonal, c/44 (3 ships)
`x = 7, y = 11, rule = B2en3acij4cijnyz5eqy6ci7/S12-an3acery4krz5cjny68obo\$bo3\$6bo\$5bo\$6bo3\$bo\$obo!`

different c/2:

diagonal, c/10
`x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2cen3aij4j5c/S1e2acn3ij4jwy4bobo\$5bo3\$o\$bo\$o!`

diagonal, 3c/25
`x = 8, y = 8, rule = B2ce3aijq/S1e2ace5bobo\$6bo4\$o\$bo\$o!`

diagonal, 4c/26
`x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2cek3ijk4jqr5ac/S1e2ace3acnr4jnr5cinq6acn7c4bobo\$5bo3\$o\$bo\$o!`

diagonal, 3c/31:
`x = 8, y = 8, rule = B2-an3airy4jkrz5ciry6-cn/S1e2ckn3-cekn4aikqrwz5einqy6ek7c5bobo\$6bo4\$o\$bo\$o!`

orthogonal, 3c/38 (4 ships)
`x = 7, y = 16, rule = B2cek3iy4ak/S1e2c3ceiry4y4bobo\$5bo3\$o\$bo\$o3\$o\$bo\$o3\$5bo\$4bobo!`

There are probably several more with two copies which could be easily found.

And using the c/10 diagonal above, here's a 3c/59 orthogonal SMoSMoS:
`x = 7, y = 18, rule = B2-ak3aijq4jnqwz5c8/S1e2acn3eij4jqwy5ry4bobo\$5bo3\$o\$bo\$o5\$o\$bo\$o3\$5bo\$4bobo!`

and another, 2c/63 orthogonal
`x = 7, y = 18, rule = B2-ak3aijry4eijn5cijn6ac/S1e2acn3eijky4jnwy5ikr6k4bobo\$5bo3\$o\$bo\$o5\$o\$bo\$o3\$5bo\$4bobo!`

The search that found these two ran pretty quickly, certainly less than a million rules.

Another SMoSMoS using the 3c/25 this time, 12c/107 orthogonal
`x = 8, y = 26, rule = B2ce3aijq/S1e2ace3kq4ac5c5bobo\$6bo4\$o\$bo\$o11\$o\$bo\$o4\$6bo\$5bobo!`

Currently running an almost certainly futile search for a SMoSMoSMoS...
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

@wilmyron Amazing!! I did not expect that many SMOSMOS in 1 post!!! I need to search for more soon!
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`x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o\$11b4obo\$2bob3o2bo2b3o\$bo3b2o4b2o\$o2bo2bob2o3b4o\$bob2obo5bo2b2o\$2b2o4bobo2b3o\$bo3b5ob2obobo\$2bo5bob2o\$4bob2o2bobobo!`

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

S4n double glider-based 11c/67
`x = 5, y = 18, rule = B2i3-ceqy4aikt5acey6ik8/S2-i3-aiky4eny5-ejky6akn2bobo\$4bo\$o2b2o\$2bo\$3o9\$3o\$2bo\$o2b2o\$4bo\$2bobo!`

Normal orthogonal 2 glider ships:
3c/27:
`x = 3, y = 13, rule = B2i3acijn4aij6e8/S2-ck3ajnry4ajrz5acj7c2bo\$obo\$b2o8\$b2o\$obo\$2bo!`

5c/31:
`x = 3, y = 15, rule = B2i3-ckry4aejwyz5ekqy7/S2-n3ejknr4inqrz5aej6eikbo\$2bo\$3o10\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`

2c/47:
`x = 3, y = 12, rule = B2n3aeijny4az5a6i7c/S2ae3ijnqry4ceijrtyz5acijk6cek7obo\$b2o\$bo7\$bo\$b2o\$obo!`

4c/25:
`x = 3, y = 13, rule = B2i3-ckqy4akqz5iy6k7e8/S2ae3-ceqy4ejnqtw5eijqy6ei7co\$b2o\$2o8\$2o\$b2o\$o!`

4c/28:
`x = 3, y = 14, rule = B3-kqry4c5iy6c/S2-n3-cikq4ejqrt5cy6ack7e8bo\$2bo\$3o9\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

`x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2ei3-cjkr4artwy5aekq6-ci7e8/S1c2-n4ry6c7bobo\$7b3o6\$2o\$bo\$2o!`

`x = 10, y = 10, rule = B2ei3ainy4cjkqtw5cnq6cin7e8/S02-n3-akn4rwyz5iknq6cei7c87bobo\$7b3o6\$2o\$bo\$2o!`
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

3c/42:
`x = 3, y = 12, rule = B2-ai3ek4kz5in6-ac7e8/S012cek3cjkq4ikrwyz5ejnqr6ei7e82bo2\$obo7\$obo2\$2bo!`

EDIT, a really strange 2c/54 diagonal:
`x = 4, y = 10, rule = B2ce3-ceij4-aintw5kn6-ce7c/S012c3nr4e5jk6cik7e8o2\$obo5\$bobo2\$bo!`
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

AforAmpere wrote:
EDIT, a really strange 2c/54 diagonal:
`x = 4, y = 10, rule = B2ce3-ceij4-aintw5kn6-ce7c/S012c3nr4e5jk6cik7e8o2\$obo5\$bobo2\$bo!`

Congrats! This is the first asymetric SMOS
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`x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o\$11b4obo\$2bob3o2bo2b3o\$bo3b2o4b2o\$o2bo2bob2o3b4o\$bob2obo5bo2b2o\$2b2o4bobo2b3o\$bo3b5ob2obobo\$2bo5bob2o\$4bob2o2bobobo!`

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

@muzik: nice results, but could you please label them with at least their speed for the benefit of everyone reading?

@AforAmpere: That's quite a nice glide reflective diagonal ship. I haven't searched for many with that kind of geometry, I wonder how frequently they occur?

@Saka: it's not the first, there are some diagonal SMoS using two gliders earlier in the thread (I think by toroidalet)

Here are a few more SMoSMoS using the same diagonal c/10:

orthogonal 4c/140
`x = 7, y = 22, rule = B2cen3aijry4cjnyz5ackq6-kn7/S1e2acn3ijy4jwy5cein4bobo\$5bo3\$o\$bo\$o9\$o\$bo\$o3\$5bo\$4bobo!`

orthogonal c/50 (goes backwards relative to the others)
`x = 7, y = 18, rule = B2cen3aijr4ijkn5cnr6n/S1e2acn3ijy4ijknqwy5iky6k7e4bobo\$5bo3\$o\$bo\$o5\$o\$bo\$o3\$5bo\$4bobo!`

This one seemed the most promising for a SMoSMoSMoS - it works in 2^23 rules which is more than any of the others. This kind of search would benefit from Rhombic's idea of exhaustively trying all possible rules instead of randomly sampling them, but I just ran the search for a longer period of time in the hope that sufficient rules were sampled to find a result if one existed. No luck this time but I think there's likely to be one out there somewhere.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

c/21d with a 1D ship
`x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ci3aeijq4cjkqtyz5ainr6cek7/S02ce3-eny4-aknwz5aenry6-i82obo3\$6bo2\$6bo\$6bo!`

EDIT:
c/69 SMOSMOS with that:
`x = 7, y = 20, rule = B2ci3aeijk4jktyz5-ckq6ek7/S02ce3-ejny4cejqry5ai6-ei6bo\$6bo2\$6bo3\$2obo7\$2obo3\$6bo2\$6bo\$6bo!`
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`x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o\$11b4obo\$2bob3o2bo2b3o\$bo3b2o4b2o\$o2bo2bob2o3b4o\$bob2obo5bo2b2o\$2b2o4bobo2b3o\$bo3b5ob2obobo\$2bo5bob2o\$4bob2o2bobobo!`

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Macbi wrote:Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?
yeah, like a glider and LWSS! maybe it would even move at a 12.5 angle!
`x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o\$3b2o\$2b3o\$4bobo\$2obobobo\$3bo2bo\$2bobo2bo\$2bo4bo\$2bo4bo\$2bo!`

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Macbi wrote:Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?

Hmm, a T+Glider ship would be kinda likely... unfortunately it's nighttime here so I cant search. My suggestion for you Merricans is to do it in T-life and do a formation where 2 gliders crash a T from opposite sides...
83bismuth38 wrote:yeah, like a glider and LWSS! maybe it would even move at a 12.5 angle!
I dont think this has a high chance of success - the LWSS is a pretty big ship for a "lightweight" title... it being a knightship is much less likely, considering that no knight-SMOS (Or even oblique) have been found.
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`x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o\$11b4obo\$2bob3o2bo2b3o\$bo3b2o4b2o\$o2bo2bob2o3b4o\$bob2obo5bo2b2o\$2b2o4bobo2b3o\$bo3b5ob2obobo\$2bo5bob2o\$4bob2o2bobobo!`

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

A 4-glider SMOS (8c/68):
`x = 6, y = 16, rule = B2ik3aijny4aey5ackr6cn8/S02ace3acjnr4aiwyz5jn6ak5bo\$3bobo\$4b2o\$bo\$2bo\$3o5\$3o\$2bo\$bo\$4b2o\$3bobo\$5bo!`

Also about the scoring system, I suggest that the "wrong direction" should refer to orthogonal for orthogonal spaceships and diagonal for diagonal spaceships.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Saka wrote:Congrats! This is the first asymetric SMOS
wildmyron wrote:@Saka: it's not the first, there are some diagonal SMoS using two gliders earlier in the thread (I think by toroidalet)

After review it seems I am wrong. The post I was thinking of was actually by Goldtiger997 and all the results were symmetrical. I think it reminded me of some tests I did with similar glider configurations which were asymmetric.

Anyway, here are some results using the small c/4 diagonal related to the Just Friends ship.

standard 2 ship interactions -

ortho 2c/12
`x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2-ak3acey4einqwyz5ceik6en/S12ce3acer4cny5-cjn6ek82bo\$2o4\$2o\$2bo!`

ortho 4c/45
`x = 3, y = 13, rule = B2-ak3ey4acejqz5ijn6aci/S12ae3aceqy4ciqtyz5en6c2bo\$2o10\$2o\$2bo!`

ortho 2c/25
`x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2ce3eiq4ctz5iny/S12n3qy4n5j6c2bo\$2o6\$2o\$2bo!`

ortho c/17
`x = 2, y = 9, rule = B2cek3i4atw5er6c7e/S13eiqr4akrw5anbo\$bo\$o4\$o\$bo\$bo!`

ortho c/38
`x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2-an3akq4aeijnrw5cikny6ack7/S12a3ciy4aijky5-ciky6i2bo\$2o6\$2o\$2bo!`

asymmetric search with same c/4 -

- in phase, same orientation

diag 2c/40 (glide reflective)
`x = 4, y = 7, rule = B2cei3qy4-aciqt5ackny6a/S12an3-ceij4akqt5enr3bo\$b2o4\$2o\$2bo!`

diag 4c/168 (glide reflective)
`x = 4, y = 7, rule = B2cek3aq4ck5aiky6e7c/S12ae3ein4-ejnry5ajk6-ai7e3bo\$b2o4\$2o\$2bo!`

- in phase, different orientation

diag c/18 (glide reflective)
`x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2-ak3iq4ajknz5a/S12cn3ar4ajw5iro\$b2o3\$bo\$o\$o!`

- out of phase

ortho 2c/40
`x = 2, y = 9, rule = B2ce3k4ijktwy5aeqy6an/S12a3cjn4jknrt5ijnr6-ikbo2\$2o4\$o\$bo\$bo!`

diag 7c/82 (glide reflective)
`x = 3, y = 7, rule = B2cen3kqy4acijnqw5-cekq6cen/S12i3ejky4acjqw5eno\$b2o4\$obo\$o!`

SMoSMoS search using 2c/12 ship from above -
(works in ~3*10^17 rules)

diag c/37 (works in ~1.3x10^8 rules)
`x = 14, y = 14, rule = B2-ak3aey4jknwyz5eiy/S12ce3ar4knw5ai7e7bo3bo\$5bobo3bobo4\$bo2\$2o4\$2o2\$bo!`

diag c/105 (works in 2 rules)
`x = 13, y = 13, rule = B2-ak3aekqy4aijnwyz5-aj6-c7/S12c3ay4nwy5ceikq7e7bo3bo\$7bo3bo\$6bo5bo4\$2bo\$2o4\$2o\$2bo!`

Currently running SMoSMoSMoS search with the c/37. As before, not really expecting to get a result, but who knows.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

3c/38o
`x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2-a3ckqy4ciry5-jnr6-ik7c8/S12aek3ej4r6c82bo\$2o6\$2o\$2bo!`

4c/353o
`x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2cei3aq4twyz5-cjqr6-c7c8/S12-c3jk4einrwy5ak6c7e2bo\$2o8\$2o\$2bo!`
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`x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23b2ob2obo5b2o\$11b4obo\$2bob3o2bo2b3o\$bo3b2o4b2o\$o2bo2bob2o3b4o\$bob2obo5bo2b2o\$2b2o4bobo2b3o\$bo3b5ob2obobo\$2bo5bob2o\$4bob2o2bobobo!`

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Saka wrote:3c/38o
`x = 3, y = 9, rule = B2-a3ckqy4ciry5-jnr6-ik7c8/S12aek3ej4r6c82bo\$2o6\$2o\$2bo!`

I thought this one was the same as a previous 3c/38 you posted but I see it's different

Saka wrote:4c/353o
`x = 3, y = 11, rule = B2cei3aq4twyz5-cjqr6-c7c8/S12-c3jk4einrwy5ak6c7e2bo\$2o8\$2o\$2bo!`

Nice high period ship.

The c/10 in the linked post inspired me to try another SMoSMoS search:

diag 2c/68
`x = 12, y = 12, rule = B2ce3ekq4ceiz5ikq7c/S12-n3-aqr4ajn5ce6bo3bo\$6bo3bo\$5bo5bo3\$2bo\$2o4\$2o\$2bo!`

diag 8c/156
`x = 12, y = 12, rule = B2ce3ae4eiqt5-cenr6k/S123-acry4anqy5-ckry6an76bo3bo\$6bo3bo\$5bo5bo3\$2bo\$2o4\$2o\$2bo!`

diag c/142
`x = 15, y = 15, rule = B2ce3aeky4ijkqt5aikny6-ac7c/S123-acry4knz5-ajry6-ck7e12bo\$13b2o4\$13b2o\$12bo6\$o5bo\$bo3bo\$bo3bo!`

Rather than continuing on in the same vein I changed tack to try to find some examples in different orientations. That search is taking a lot longer to find something.

Macbi wrote:Has anyone tried looking for a SMOS made out of two different ships?

The c/2 and c/3 ships from AforAmpere's "five 3-cell ship" rule make good candidates for this idea.

ortho c/37
`x = 8, y = 3, rule = B2ekn3-akny4acjrtw5acjr6ik7/S02-ei3cknqr4-aeijk5cej6an78o6bo\$2bo3bo\$o6bo!`

ortho 5c/70 - includes bonus OTR reaction
`x = 8, y = 3, rule = B2ekn3eij4-cinrz5ejr6aik8/S02-ei3acq4-iqtwy5ejnqy6ck7c8o6bo\$2bo3bo\$o6bo!`

wildmyron wrote:Currently running SMoSMoSMoS search with the c/37. As before, not really expecting to get a result, but who knows.

As expected, no result after ~2*10^8 rules. This was in the standard configuration for diagonal ships at the minimum spacing, but not exhaustive due to use of random rule generator.
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wildmyron wrote:ortho 5c/70 - includes bonus OTR reaction
`x = 8, y = 3, rule = B2ekn3eij4-cinrz5ejr6aik8/S02-ei3acq4-iqtwy5ejnqy6ck7c8o6bo\$2bo3bo\$o6bo!`

Cool! I was not expecting them to use a head-on collision.

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Macbi wrote:Cool! I was not expecting them to use a head-on collision.

Here's one with an orthogonal placement of the same two ships. The search ran for a lot longer before finding this one.

ortho 2c/58 with c/2 and c/3 ships
`x = 7, y = 7, rule = B2ek3eiknq4eknryz5a6ace/S02ack3-cei4eqrty5ejny6a7c4bobo2\$5bo2\$o\$bo\$o!`

The asymmetry here does mean there's the potential for a knightship, but I'm not sure how likely that is.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Saka wrote:I did not expect that many SMOSMOS in 1 post!!! I need to search for more soon!

Here are 28 SMOSMOSs, found with a mixture of different rulesrc versions, based on a c/2 tship. It contains SMOSs, which then have all the SMOSMOSs that I found of that SMOSs indented below that SMOS. I am currently searching for more.

`x = 6, y = 6, rule = B2e3ei/S2aco\$bo\$o2\$4bo\$3bobo!B2ek3eij5c/S1e2ack3anq4nq5k   (3,3)/   15B2e3eij4acr5i/S02acekn3q4aeq   (2,2)/   10   none found with long but non-exaustive searchB2eik3ceijky/S2ack3n   (3,3)/   16   x = 19, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceijky/S2ack3n   o17bo\$bo15bo\$o17bo2\$4bo9bo\$3bobo7bobo!   B2eik3-anq4ijknqyz5y6e7c8/S1e2ack3ny4inqy5aeqy6e (3,0)/   56B2eik3ceijy4at5cijkn7c/S1e2aci3n4q   (3,3)/   18   x = 14, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceijy4at5cijkn7c/S1e2aci3n4q   o12bo\$bo10bo\$o12bo2\$4bo4bo\$3bobo2bobo!   B2eik3ceijy4at5-ay6-ck7/S1e2aci3kn4cekqy5-ikqr6-k (3,0)/ 90B2ei3ein4c5cj/S02aci3cny4ain5i6i   (2,2)/   13   none found with long but non-exaustive searchB2eik3eir4cty5ckn6e/S2ac5a   (2,2)/   20B2ek3ceijnry4ajkn5ijq6kn7c/S2ace3c4ny5k6k   (3,3)/   24B2eik3ceijqr4cejnq5q7c/S1e2ac3jkqry4anqy5jnr6en   (2,2)/   25B2eik3ceir4rw5c/S2ack3q5cr   (1,1)/   12      x = 16, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceir4rw5c/S2ack3q5cr   o14bo\$bo12bo\$o14bo2\$4bo6bo\$3bobo4bobo!   B2eik3ceiqr4irtw5c6ck/S2ack3jqry4j5cir6ak7c   (1,0)/   53   B2eik3ceinqr4rw5cij6ac/S2ack3kq4t5cjr7c   (1,0)/   57   B2eik3ceinr4eirtw5cinr6c/S2ack3jq4k5acejqr   (3,0)/   55   B2eik3ceinqr4cijrwz5cjnry6ck/S2ack3qr4kz5acry6aek7   (3,0)/   65   B2eik3ceinqr4qrw5c6e/S2ack3jqry4rtz5cnqr6ckn7c   (4,0)/   91   B2eik3ceinqr4ijrw5c6c/S2ack3kqy4kt5ceir6ce7c   (1,0)/   46   B2eik3ceir4erwz5aceir6kn/S2ack3q4i5acnr   (7,0)/   90   B2eik3-ajky4jrtw5cr6c7e/S2ack3jqy4rw5-nq6ei7c (3,0)/ 62   B2eik3ceiqr4rtwz5cin6ck/S2ack3jq4k5-k6 (3,0)/ 61   B2eik3-ajky4rtw5c6-/S2ack3qr4ikz5-7c (1,0)/ 47   B2eik3ceiqr4rwz5ceijy6-n/S2ack3cjkqr4ktwz5-y6acen7e (2,0)/ 73   B2eik3-ajky4ijqrwz5cikry6ck7e/S2ack3ckqry4iktw5-ijy (3,0)/ 72   B2eik3-ajky4ijrwz5-iq/S2ack3qy4t5acr6-a7c8 (1,0)/ 50   x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceir4rw5c/S2ack3q5cr   o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!   B2eik3ceir4jrwz5ciny6n7e/S2ack3jqry4cw5acijry6ce7e   (3,0)/   66   B2eik3ceinqr4irtwz5c6c/S2ack3qr5cr   (3,0)/   97   B2eik3ceiqr4ceijrwz5cijnr6kn8/S2ack3jqry4z5acr6k7e8   (9,0)/   286   B2eik3ceir4ejrtw5cn6c/S2ack3kqr4z5ceinr6ai7c8   (1,0)/   59   B2eik3-ajky4cirw5-jknq6-ae7e/S2ack3cjqy4ijrtz5cnry6n7e8 (3,0)/   157B2eik3ceij4r5q/S1e2ac4e   (1,1)/   14   x = 16, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceij4r5q/S1e2ac4e   o14bo\$bo12bo\$o14bo2\$4bo6bo\$3bobo4bobo!   B2eik3ceijq4enrtz5jqy6ce/S1e2ac3acr4ceikr5ejry6ac7c (3,0)/ 111   B2eik3-akry4ceirz5inqr6eik7e/S1e2ac3r4-acjnz5-ejqy6k7e (3,0)/ 69B2e3eij4ajk6n/S1e2ac3n4q   (2,2)/   10   x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2e3eij4ajk6n/S1e2ac3n4q   o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!      B2e3eijnq4ajknryz5cjr6n/S1e2aci3knr4kq7   (5,0)/   57   B2e3eijnq4ajkqrtz5cnq6aen7/S1e2aci3cnr4jq5qy6k7e (3,0)/   142      x = 18, y = 6, rule = B2e3eij4ajk6n/S1e2ac3n4q   o16bo\$bo14bo\$o16bo2\$4bo8bo\$3bobo6bobo!   B2e3eijnq4aejknryz5cikny6kn/S1e2acei3jny4ijqt5aeqy6e7c   (2,0)/   52   B2e3eijnry4ajk5kn6in7e/S1e2ac3nr4ikqw5eijn6k   (4,0)/   68B2ek3ceijy4ikt5acr6ck7c/S1e2ace3ar4aejr5nry6k7e   (3,3)/   29B2e3eijr4aen5acq6n7c8/S2acen3jnq4jkqry5jq6aikn   (3,3)/   21B2ek3eikn4j8/S01e2ac4ikr   (1,1)/   13      x = 16, y = 6, rule = B2ek3eikn4j8/S01e2ac4ikr   o14bo\$bo12bo\$o14bo2\$4bo6bo\$3bobo4bobo!   B2ek3eiknqy4aj5y6k8/S01e2ac3r4iknr   (2,0)/   54   x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3eikn4j8/S01e2ac4ikr   o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!   B2ek3eikny4j5anry6aek8/S01e2ac4acikry5iq6ak (5,0)/  104B2eik3ceiknr4aeknqrtyz5eknqr6aceik/S2ace3cj4ckqw5ckr6e   (6,6)/   42B2ek3eijn4jnq5nq6e/S2ace4n5e   (1,1)/   51B2ek3einy5en6cn/S1e2ac3nq4ajr   (4,4)/   38B2ek3ei4a6a/S2acekn3cjnr4ar5y   (1,1)/   15B2eik3ceijkry4ik5ckr6an7/S02acekn3nq4arwz5i6ck7c   (1,1)/   33B2ei3ceijy4n8/S01e2acek3acq4i5cry6ck7c   (1,1)/   24`

Here are some of the more interesting ones:

9c/286:(catagolue)
`x = 19, y = 6, rule = B2eik3ceiqr4ceijrwz5cijnr6kn8/S2ack3jqry4z5acr6k7e8o17bo\$bo15bo\$o17bo2\$4bo9bo\$3bobo7bobo!`

3c/142: (catagolue)
`x = 13, y = 6, rule = B2e3eijnq4ajkqrtz5cnq6aen7/S1e2aci3cnr4jq5qy6k7eo11bo\$bo9bo\$o11bo2\$4bo3bo\$3bobobobo!`

c/46:
`x = 17, y = 11, rule = B2eik3ceinqr4ijrw5c6c/S2ack3kqy4kt5ceir6ce7c3\$2bo10bo\$3bo8bo\$2bo10bo\$5bo4bo\$4bobo2bobo!`

Some of theses may be viable for SMOSMOSMOS, but it is unlikely.

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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Goldtiger997 wrote:Some of theses may be viable for SMOSMOSMOS, but it is unlikely.

I haven't looked at them all, but the c/46 I think is a reasonable candidate - at least as good as any I've posted. It works in 2^28 rules and I ran an unsuccessful search with this pattern
`x = 21, y = 21, rule = B2eik3-ajky4ijrw5c6c/S2ack3kqy4kt5ceir6ce7c9bo10bo\$10bo8bo\$9bo10bo\$12bo4bo\$11bobo2bobo5\$obo\$bo\$4bo\$3bo\$4bo3\$4bo\$3bo\$4bo\$bo\$obo!`

for ~12*10^6 iterations. That's about 5% of the rulespace, so there's still some prospect of a successful result.

I'm now at the point where I don't know what to do with all the results I'm getting. I have about 2500 two glider SMoS, and another 1000 with the same c/2 T-ship as above. I honestly don't know how to find the most interesting or useful ones amongst them all, though there are some nice new speeds amongst them which I will try to filter out and post.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

Why not just post all of them in a zip file or something?
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

wildmyron wrote:
Goldtiger997 wrote:Some of theses may be viable for SMOSMOSMOS, but it is unlikely.

I haven't looked at them all, but the c/46 I think is a reasonable candidate - at least as good as any I've posted. It works in 2^28 rules ...

After further consideration I'm less optimistic about this. It seems to me that a vast majority of them follow an evolutionary path resulting in either just two of the SMoS (as in the pattern above) or a single checker. There's possibly some benefit to constraining the search to include combinations of transitions which don't result in one of those two outcomes, but I don't think I'll bother for this one.

muzik wrote:Why not just post all of them in a zip file or something?

I'm not sure there's much interest in that though. But seeing as you asked, I'll try to compile a collection and post it later this week.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

6c/109 SMOSMOS, made out of C/25 diagonal ships, made out of C/2's:
`x = 47, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6c/S1e2ac3ar4cjkwy5aceqr6ekn7c8o15bo12bo15bo\$bo13bo14bo13bobo\$o15bo12bo2\$4bo7bo20bo\$3bobo5bobo18bobo!`

EDIT, a 6c/116 out of the same C/25's:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ekn8/S1e2ac3ar4ckw5-ciky6ikn7eo15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

EDIT 2, 8c/215 SMOSMOS:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4rz5in6en78/S1e2ac3ar4cikw5qr6kno15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

4c/125 SMOSMOS:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy5in6-ci/S1e2ac3ar4eikw5-cjkq678o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

3c/111 SMOSMOS:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ikn8/S1e2ac3ar4jkw5cejr6co15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

C/95:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6-kn8/S1e2ac3ar4cekwy5ikr6-ak3bobo5bobo\$4bo7bo2\$o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo!`

4c/211:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in8/S1e2ac3ar4ijkwy5-ejqy6acko15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

6c/89:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4z5in6ei7c8/S1e2ac3ar4kwy5knro15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

The 6c/89 seems to be very common, maybe a SMOSMOSMOS is possible.

8c/141:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4z5in6-ei78/S1e2ac3ar4jkw5-ae6akno15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

7c/126:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6i/S1e2ac3ar4ijkw5knro15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

4c/104:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ci7c8/S1e2ac3ar4ekwy5-akqy6co15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

6c/180:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4rz5in6a/S1e2ac3ar4ikwy5ckqr6akno15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

7c/134:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ik/S1e2ac3ar4cjkw5-anqy6ao15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

C/78:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy5in6k7c8/S1e2ac3ar4eijkwy5-aq6kno15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

12c/243:
`x = 19, y = 8, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6ein7c8/S1e2ac3ar4ckwy5iqr6in\$o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

C/177:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4rz5in6ci78/S1e2ac3ar4cijkwy5-ay6c7e83bobo5bobo\$4bo7bo2\$o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo!`

5c/85:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy5in6ac7c/S1e2ac3ar4ejkw5-ejny6aio15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`

8c/112:
`x = 17, y = 6, rule = B2ek3einqy4r5in6n7c8/S1e2ac3ar4ckwy5-ekq6ckn78o15bo\$bo13bo\$o15bo2\$4bo7bo\$3bobo5bobo!`
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

AforAmpere wrote:<snip>Many SMOSMOS, made out of C/25 diagonal ships, made out of C/2's</snip>

The 6c/89 seems to be very common, maybe a SMOSMOSMOS is possible.

<snip>

That little c/2 sure is the basis for a lot of SMOSMOS. The 6c/89 works in 2^18 rules, which is on the low side to be optimistic. I ran a non-exhaustive search with the standard configuration which almost certainly tried all the rule combinations, but without success. The next most versatile ship is the 6c/180 which works in 2^17 rules.
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### Re: Spaceships made up of other spaceships (SMOS)

First SMOS made out of knightships?
`x = 11, y = 3, rule = B2e3aeij4-artyz5eikq6kn7c8/S23-akn4-ejkn5aekqy6-ak82o7b2o\$b2o5b2o\$bo7bo!`
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