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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » June 27th, 2018, 12:43 pm

2718281828 wrote:And a gun-type 1-dimensional linear growth:
x = 44, y = 1, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3obob4ob6obobobob5obob2o2bo2bobobo!

29->28 cells:
x = 44, y = 51, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3obob4ob6obobobob5obob2o2bo2bobobo50$obobob4ob6obobobob5obob2o2bo2bobo
bo!


Curious synthesis of 8 reacting dots:
x = 9, y = 35, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4bo$3bobo$3b3o$4bo6$4bo4$4bo3$2o6bo$bo4bo$2o3$4bo4$4bo6$4bo$3b3o$3bobo
$4bo!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby Goldtiger997 » June 27th, 2018, 8:39 pm

Nice work on the slow salvos 2718281828! A lot of those were ones I had been trying to look for.

Here's an alternate design which enables the slow salvo to be aimed directly at the construction area (left), with the old design fo comparison (right):

x = 490, y = 554, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
329bo$34bo68bo227bo$32bo68bo228b2o$32b2o67b2o2$330bo$32bo69bo225b5o$
30b5o65b5o223bo3bo$30bo3bo65bo3bo222b2obob2o$29b2obob2o63b2obob2o222bo
3bo$30bo3bo65bo3bo223b5o$30b5o65b5o225bo$26bo5bo69bo$24b5o$24bo3bo$19b
2o2b2obob2o$20bo3bo3bo$18bo5b5o$26bo8$489bo5$80bo$78bo$78b2o2$242bo$
78bo17bo143b5o$76b5o13b5o141bo3bo5bo$76bo3bo8b2o3bo3bo140b2obob2o2bo$
75b2obob2o8bo2b2obob2o140bo3bo3b2o$76bo3bo7bo5bo3bo141b5o$76b5o13b5o
143bo$72bo5bo17bo$70b5o$70bo3bo$65b2o2b2obob2o$66bo3bo3bo$64bo5b5o$72b
o6$39bo45bo$8bo30b3o12bo30b3o$6b5o27bo2bo10b5o30bo$o5bo3bo35bo5bo3bo
28bo75bo$2bo2b2obob2o20bo2bo2bo9bo2b2obob2o20bo2bo3b2o72bo$b2o3bo3bo
36b2o3bo3bo28bo73b2o$6b5o27bo2bo10b5o30bo$8bo30b3o12bo30b3o$39bo45bo
74bo$158b5o$158bo3bo$157b2obob2o$158bo3bo$158b5o$72bo87bo$64bo5b5o$66b
o3bo3bo$65b2o2b2obob2o$70bo3bo$70b5o$72bo5bo$76b5o$76bo3bo$75b2obob2o$
76bo3bo$76b5o$78bo3$78b2o35bo$78bo34bo$80bo32b2o3$114bo$112b5o$112bo3b
o$111b2obob2o$112bo3bo$112b5o193bo$26bo87bo193b5o$18bo5b5o273bo5bo3bo$
20bo3bo3bo275bo2b2obob2o$19b2o2b2obob2o273b2o3bo3bo$24bo3bo279b5o$24b
5o281bo20bo$26bo5bo296b5o130bo$30b5o294bo3bo132bo$30bo3bo289b2o2b2obob
2o130b2o$14bo14b2obob2o289bo3bo3bo$13b3o14bo3bo288bo5b5o$13bobo14b5o
296bo134bo$14bo17bo431b5o$345b2o3b2o112bo3bo$330b2o13bo2bo2bo111b2obob
2o$32b2o296bo13b2ob3ob2o111bo3bo12bo$32bo299bo131b5o$34bo431bo5bo$470b
5o$331bo16bo121bo3bo$323bo5b5o135b2obob2o2b2o$325bo3bo3bo136bo3bo3bo$
324b2o2b2obob2o13bo121b5o5bo$329bo3bo138bo$329b5o$331bo5bo101bo$335b5o
101bo$335bo3bo100b2o$334b2obob2o$13b3o319bo3bo$13bobo319b5o101bo$337bo
101b5o$322b2o3b2o110bo3bo$322bo2bo2bo109b2obob2o$321b2o5b2o7b2o100bo3b
o12bo$325bo11bo101b5o$324bobo12bo101bo5bo$445b5o$310bo14bo119bo3bo$
302bo5b5o131b2obob2o2b2o$304bo3bo3bo132bo3bo3bo$303b2o2b2obob2o11bo
119b5o5bo$308bo3bo134bo$308b5o$310bo5bo$314b5o112bo$314bo3bo114bo$313b
2obob2o112b2o$314bo3bo$314b5o$13b3o300bo115bo$13bobo414b5o$430bo3bo$
316b2o111b2obob2o$316bo113bo3bo$318bo111b5o$432bo14bo$445b5o$445bo3bo
3b2o$444b2obob2o2bo$445bo3bo5bo$445b5o$447bo6$444bo$442bo$442b2o$13b3o
$13bobo$443bo$441b5o$441bo3bo$440b2obob2o$441bo3bo$441b5o$426bo16bo$
424b5o$419b2o3bo3bo$420bo2b2obob2o$418bo5bo3bo$424b5o$426bo7$13b3o$13b
obo3$325bo$324b3o$324bobo$325bo14$13b3o$13bobo2$324b3o$324bobo17$13b3o
$13bobo2$324b3o$324bobo17$13b3o$13bobo2$324b3o$324bobo17$13b3o$13bobo
2$324b3o$324bobo17$13b3o$13bobo2$324b3o$324bobo20$324b3o$324bobo2$13b
3o$13bobo17$324b3o$324bobo20$13b3o308b3o$13bobo308bobo20$13b3o308b3o$
13bobo308bobo24$14bo$13b3o$13bobo308b3o$14bo309bobo18$14bo$13b3o$13bob
o$14bo17$324b3o$14bo309bobo$13b3o$13bobo$14bo17$324b3o$324bobo24$325bo
$324b3o$324bobo$325bo11$59b3o285b3o$59bobo285bobo6$325bo$324b3o$324bob
o$325bo18$325bo$324b3o$324bobo$325bo6$348bo$347b3o$347bobo$348bo6$60bo
$59b3o$59bobo$60bo!

I think this design is better. The spiltters are angled in a more convenient direction, but the slow salvo would have to create two temporary elbows to make the reflectors that are above the place where the Gs are emitted.
However I'm ready to be persuaded otherwise. Once we decide on a design, we can begin explicitly creating the final salvo.

Edit: actually this method might not work. Once I've worked it out I'll post later...
Last edited by Goldtiger997 on June 28th, 2018, 4:57 am, edited 1 time in total.
Things to work on:
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » June 28th, 2018, 2:42 am

I found a hidden gem in page 3 post 1, by 2718281828, this smaller puffer variant:
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B2ci3ai4c8_S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2o$bo$2o2b2o$3bob2o$bo2b2o!


This rather unnoticed thin puffer was hiding behind a p2 ship this whole time! Can any new puffers be made by bring two engines closer together? I couldn't get much besides this dinky little p8 dot puffer:



x = 11, y = 8, rule = B2ci3ai4c8_S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4b2o$5bo$4b2o2b2o$7bob2o$5bo2b2o$3o$2bo$b2o!


And a small dot puffrake:
x = 11, y = 8, rule = B2ci3ai4c8_S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4b2o$5bo$4b2o2b2o$7bob2o$o4bo2b2o$bo$b2o$2o!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby Goldtiger997 » June 28th, 2018, 10:16 am

It turns out that the design from my above post doesn't work, primarily because Gs cannot magically pass through snowflakes, meaning we need to revert to the old design. Here's a really messy diagram for how the salvo needs to work for that design. There is a fair amount of room for variation:

x = 636, y = 382, rule = LifeHistory
96.2D$93.3D174.D$90.3D177.D$86.5D178.2D$82.4D178.6D$79.3D181.D$79.D
182.D$80.2D177.3D$81.D36.32D109.D8.49D$82.2D14.20D32.11D98.2D3.5D$84.
D8.6D62.6D93.D3.D$85.2D80.3D90.2D$86.2D173.2D$88.3D172.3D$91.2D172.2D
$92.3D171.2D$95.2D171.D$97.D170.2D$27.A208.C208.E$29.A208.C208.E$28.
2A207.2C207.2E$42.D$42.D$28.A13.D194.C34.2D172.E$26.5A11.D192.5C31.2D
18.3D150.5E$26.A3.A11.D192.C3.C30.2D18.2D.D150.E3.E$25.2A.A.2A10.D
191.2C.C.2C29.D19.D.2D149.2E.E.2E$26.A3.A11.D192.C3.C29.D20.D.D151.E
3.E$26.5A11.D192.5C29.D20.D.D151.5E$28.A14.D193.C31.2D19.3D153.E$43.D
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226.D10.D$142.A82.D6.2D3.D113.C208.E$140.A84.D7.D4.D110.C208.E$140.2A
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5A89.D5.D108.5C204.5E$139.A3.A89.D5.D108.C3.C204.E3.E$138.2A.A.2A88.D
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293.D$116.2D13.D10.2D293.D$118.D12.D9.D295.D$119.D11.D9.D295.D$119.D
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2.2D300.D$133.3D301.D$437.D$437.D$437.D! [[ VIEWONLY ]]


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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby 2718281828 » June 28th, 2018, 3:24 pm

There might be a 3c/10 ship:
x = 81, y = 43, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4bo10bo13bo4bo13bo4bo12bo4bo2$4bo10bo13bo4bo13bo4bo12bo4bo2$4bo2bo7bo
2b2o6bo2bo4bo2bo6b2o2bo4bo2b2o4bo3bo4bo3bo$18bo26bo10bo4b3o10b3o$16b3o
26b2o8b2o4bobo10bobo$16bo45bo12bo14$2b2o74b2o$bob2o72b2obo$2b2o74b2o$
7b2o64b2o$6bob2o62b2obo$7b2o64b2o$12b2o54b2o$11bob2o52b2obo$12b2o54b2o
$17b2o44b2o$16bob2o42b2obo$17b2o44b2o$22b2o34b2o$21bob2o32b2obo$22b2o
34b2o$27b2o9bo4bo9b2o$26bob2o22b2obo$27b2o9bo4bo9b2o$32b2o14b2o$31bob
2o3bo4bo3b2obo$32b2o14b2o!


Some related p20 oscillators:
x = 55, y = 20, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3$7bo$5b3o31b2o8b2o$5bo20b2o11bo10bo$4b2o13b2o5bo11b2o10b2o$20bo7bo$
18bo$8bo14bo18bo4bo2$8bo9bo4bo18bo4bo$20bo7bo$4b2o2bo10b2o2bo2bo11b2o
2bo4bo2b2o$5bo20b2o11bo10bo$5b3o31b2o8b2o$7bo!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby Goldtiger997 » June 30th, 2018, 10:13 am

Here is a better design that actually works this time. It is better because it has less snowflakes, which should make it cheaper to slow salvo-synthesize:

x = 185, y = 207, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
47bo$49bo$48b2o3$48bo$46b5o$46bo3bo$45b2obob2o$46bo3bo$46b5o$48bo53$
34bo$32bo$32b2o3$32bo$30b5o$30bo3bo$29b2obob2o$30bo3bo$30b5o$26bo5bo$
24b5o$24bo3bo$19b2o2b2obob2o$20bo3bo3bo$18bo5b5o$26bo22bo$47b5o$47bo3b
o$46b2obob2o$47bo3bo$47b5o$49bo3$48b2o$48bo$50bo3$80bo$78bo$78b2o3$78b
o$76b5o$76bo3bo$75b2obob2o$76bo3bo$76b5o$72bo5bo$70b5o$70bo3bo$65b2o2b
2obob2o$66bo3bo3bo$64bo5b5o$72bo$168bo$170bo$169b2o3$170bo$168b5o$67b
2o3b2o94bo3bo$67bo2bo2bo93b2obob2o$66b2ob3ob2o93bo3bo$168b5o$170bo5bo$
174b5o$49bo20bo103bo3bo$41bo5b5o121b2obob2o2b2o$43bo3bo3bo122bo3bo3bo$
39bo2b2o2b2obob2o17bo103b5o5bo$8bo30b3o5bo3bo124bo$6b5o30bo5b5o$o5bo3b
o26b3o9bo5bo$2bo2b2obob2o20bo2bo2bo14b5o$b2o3bo3bo26b3o13bo3bo$6b5o30b
o10b2obob2o$8bo30b3o11bo3bo$39bo13b5o$55bo3$55b2o$55bo$57bo5$115bo$
113bo$113b2o3$114bo$112b5o$112bo3bo$111b2obob2o$112bo3bo$112b5o$26bo
87bo$18bo5b5o$20bo3bo3bo$19b2o2b2obob2o$24bo3bo$24b5o$26bo5bo$30b5o$
14bo15bo3bo$13b3o13b2obob2o$13bobo14bo3bo$14bo15b5o$32bo3$32b2o$32bo$
34bo11$13b3o$13bobo17$69b3o$69bobo!


I am pretty certain the number of snowflakes can not be further reduced. Hence we can begin creating an explicit slow salvo synthesis for the above pattern! (Keep in mind I didn't put all the Gs in, and the slow salvo has to rotate itself 90 degrees so that it fires into the construction area.) Unfortunately, I am going away quite soon so I am probably unable to do this myself for a bit.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » June 30th, 2018, 11:11 am

I'll work on it later. I may have trouble synthesizing the halfcarrier-siamese-Z though. Any way around this?
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby BlinkerSpawn » June 30th, 2018, 2:16 pm

danny wrote:I'll work on it later. I may have trouble synthesizing the halfcarrier-siamese-Z though. Any way around this?

The best I know of is this, which has one non-slow step.
I'm not entirely sure of the viability of splitting in this circumstance but I'm looking forward to being surprised.
x = 31, y = 17, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
4bo$2bobo$2b3o24b2o$29bo$29b2o$22bo$o23bo$7bo15b2o2bo$25bo$3bo2bo18b2o
6$2b3o$2bobo!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby 2718281828 » June 30th, 2018, 3:31 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:Here is a better design that actually works this time. It is better because it has less snowflakes, which should make it cheaper to slow salvo-synthesize:
RLE


Thanks a lot.

However, as destroying is much easier than synthesizing I think we should not just rebuild the mentioned pattern but such a pattern which has the same function, e.g. replacing the tricky part (left) by one of the other options (middle, right):
x = 110, y = 26, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
5$23bo27b2o8bo37bo$15bo5b5o25bo7b5o33b5o$17bo3bo3bo24b2obo5bo3bo27bo5b
o3bo$13bo2b2o2b2obob2o24bo3bo2b2obob2o24bo3bo2b2obob2o$13b3o5bo3bo25b
5o3bo3bo25b5o3bo3bo$15bo5b5o27bo5b5o27bo5b5o$11b3o9bo5bo19b3o9bo5bo19b
3o9bo5bo$6bo2bo2bo14b5o12bo2bo2bo14b5o12bo2bo2bo14b5o$11b3o13bo3bo17b
3o13bo3bo17b3o13bo3bo$15bo10b2obob2o20bo10b2obob2o20bo10b2obob2o$13b3o
11bo3bo19b5o9bo3bo19b5o9bo3bo$13bo13b5o19bo3bo9b5o19bo3bo9b5o$29bo20b
2obob2o10bo20b2obob2o10bo$51bo3bo33bo3bo$51b5o33b5o$29b2o22bo12b2o23bo
12b2o$29bo36bo37bo$31bo33b2o36b2o!


Just for understanding, do we have to construct the complete pattern out of a single dot? Is the position of the starting dot relative to the outcome relevant?
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby BlinkerSpawn » June 30th, 2018, 7:37 pm

2718281828 wrote:Thanks a lot.

However, as destroying is much easier than synthesizing I think we should not just rebuild the mentioned pattern but such a pattern which has the same function, e.g. replacing the tricky part (left) by one of the other options (middle, right):
rle

Slight rebuild which removes the troublesome still life, among a few other minor things:
x = 173, y = 196, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
47bo$49bo$48b2o3$48bo$46b5o$46bo3bo$45b2obob2o$46bo3bo$46b5o$48bo49$
34bo$32bo$32b2o3$32bo$30b5o$30bo3bo$29b2obob2o$30bo3bo$30b5o$26bo5bo$
24b5o$24bo3bo$19b2o2b2obob2o$20bo3bo3bo$18bo5b5o$26bo20bo$45b5o$45bo3b
o$44b2obob2o$45bo3bo$45b5o$47bo3$46b2o$46bo33bo$48bo29bo$78b2o3$78bo$
76b5o$76bo3bo$75b2obob2o$76bo3bo$76b5o$72bo5bo$70b5o$70bo3bo$65b2o2b2o
bob2o$66bo3bo3bo$64bo5b5o$72bo3$154bo$156bo$155b2o2$65bo9bo$63b5o5b5o
78bo$63bo3bo5bo3bo76b5o$62b2obob2o3b2obob2o75bo3bo$63bo3bo2bo2bo3bo75b
2obob2o$63b5ob3ob5o76bo3bo$65bo2bobobo2bo78b5o$156bo7bo$162b5o$47bo22b
o91bo3bo$39bo5b5o111b2obob2o2b2o$8bo30b3o3bo3bo112bo3bo3bo$6b5o30bo2b
2obob2o19bo91b5o5bo$o5bo3bo26b3o5bo3bo114bo$2bo2b2obob2o20bo2bo2bo6b5o
$b2o3bo3bo26b3o7bo5bo$6b5o30bo9b5o$8bo30b5o7bo3bo$39bo3bo6b2obob2o$38b
2obob2o6bo3bo$39bo3bo7b5o$39b5o9bo$41bo2$53b2o$53bo$55bo3$101bo$99bo$
99b2o3$100bo$98b5o$98bo3bo$97b2obob2o$98bo3bo$98b5o$26bo73bo$18bo5b5o$
20bo3bo3bo$19b2o2b2obob2o$24bo3bo$24b5o$26bo5bo$30b5o$14bo15bo3bo$13b
3o13b2obob2o$13bobo14bo3bo$14bo15b5o$32bo3$32b2o$32bo$34bo11$13b3o$13b
obo14$69b3o$69bobo!

I'm sure a couple other parts could be pulled inward a little to simplify the construction, especially considering the cost of push/pulls in this rule.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby Goldtiger997 » June 30th, 2018, 8:01 pm

2718281828 wrote:Just for understanding, do we have to construct the complete pattern out of a single dot? Is the position of the starting dot relative to the outcome relevant?


No, we can construct the pattern out of any constellation in any place in range of the slow salvo. However, some would be better than others. This target dot/constellation also needs to be built again in the next location at the same construction stage as it was used as a target. Also it may be useful to put junk that does not interfere around the mechanism while constructing it, which will make it easier to destroy later.

BlinkerSpawn wrote:Slight rebuild which removes the troublesome still life, among a few other minor things:
rle

I'm sure a couple other parts could be pulled inward a little to simplify the construction, especially considering the cost of push/pulls in this rule.


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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » June 30th, 2018, 8:27 pm

Very nice! I'll start working on it once we all agree on a pattern to be built. Hopefully I can at least get half of it lmao. I'm also working on the first growing rake right now, from a previous post.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 1st, 2018, 12:57 am

I made this machine and realized I was doing it wrong. Oh well, at least you can toss an R in there from a remote, high period gun:
x = 341, y = 471, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
318b2o$319bo$318b2o$325bo$326bo$318bo7b2o$317b3o5b2o$317bo$324b2o$318b
2o3bob2o$319bo4b2o$319bo2bo10b2o$318bobo11bob2o$318b3o3b2o7b2o3b2o$
105b2o54b3o17b3o82b3o11b3o36bo5b2o12b2o$106bo56bo5b2o12bo5b2o77bo5b2o
6bo5b2o35bo13bo$104b3o4b2o49b2o6bo11b2o6bo76b2o6bo5b2o6bo34bo11bo$112b
o43b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b3o75bo6b3o4bo6b3o43bo3b2o$110b3o3b2o37bob2o16bob
2o157bob2o$117bo38b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o83b2o12b2o48b2o$115b3o51bo19bo84bo
13bo45bo$153bo2bo11b2o3bo2bo11b2o83b2o12b2o48bo$154bobo17bobo161bo$
153bobobo15bobobo130bo29b2o$102bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo19bo6bo29bo29bo19bo
9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo8b2o4b2o$100bo19bo9bo9bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo4b
o4bo4bo4bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo31bo$119b3o17b3o11b5o15b5o37bo
115b2o$154b3o17b3o48bo9bo37bo9bo40b2o$127b2o18b2o6bo19bo69bo9bo26b3o
32b3o5bo$128bo19bo46bo29bo39bo16bobo26b2o4bobo3b3o$115b2o10b2o6b2o10b
2o45b3o27b3o56bo28b2o$114bob2o16bob2o56bobo27bobo85bo8bo$115b2o3bo6b3o
5b2o3bo6b3o45bo29bo46bo36bo9bo4b2o$121b2o6bo11b2o6bo121b3o32bo3b2o5b2o
6bo$122bo5b2o12bo5b2o65bo29bo25bo2bo34bob2o11b2o$120b3o17b3o71b3o27b3o
51bo11b2o4bo$214bobo7bo19bobo7bo30bo13bo7bo8bobo5b3o6b2o$209b2o4bo9bo
13b2o4bo9bo13b2o15bo6bo5b2o9bo5b3o7bo7bo$210b2o7bo5b2o13b2o7bo5b2o13b
2o14b2o4b3o3b2o11bo13b2o6b2o$205bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo14b2o5b
obo16b2o$204b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo23bo2bo13b2o5b2o$204bobo9bo
17bobo9bo17bobo14bo2b2o7bo4b2o6b2o8bob2o$205bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o6b2o
5b2o9bo3b2o12bob2o5b2o3bob2o4bob2o8b2o$202bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o11bo
b2o5bo5bob2o12b2o12b2o6b2o$202bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o
11bo8bo$203b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2bo22b3o5b2o$204bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo13b2o7bo
6bo12b2o6bo7b2o$211b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o12b2o13bo$210b2o14bo13b2o14b
o13b2o13bo13bo$225bo29bo24b2o2bo7b2o$203b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o14bob2o
10bo$204bo14bo14bo14bo14bo15b2o10b2o$203b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o3b2o$
269bo$268b2o$275bo$276bo$268bo7b2o$267b3o5b2o$267bo$274b2o$268b2o3bob
2o$269bo4b2o$269bo2bo10b2o$268bobo11bob2o$268b3o3b2o7b2o3b2o$55b2o54b
3o17b3o82b3o11b3o36bo5b2o12b2o$56bo56bo5b2o12bo5b2o77bo5b2o6bo5b2o35bo
13bo$54b3o4b2o49b2o6bo11b2o6bo76b2o6bo5b2o6bo34bo11bo$62bo43b2o3bo6b3o
5b2o3bo6b3o75bo6b3o4bo6b3o43bo3b2o$60b3o3b2o37bob2o16bob2o157bob2o$67b
o38b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o83b2o12b2o48b2o$65b3o51bo19bo84bo13bo45bo$103bo2bo
11b2o3bo2bo11b2o83b2o12b2o48bo$104bobo17bobo161bo$103bobobo15bobobo
130bo29b2o$52bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo19bo6bo29bo29bo19bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo8b2o
4b2o$50bo19bo9bo9bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo4bo4bo4bo4bo9bo9bo9bo
9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo31bo$69b3o17b3o11b5o15b5o37bo115b2o$104b3o17b3o48bo
9bo37bo9bo40b2o$77b2o18b2o6bo19bo69bo9bo26b3o32b3o5bo$78bo19bo46bo29bo
39bo16bobo26b2o4bobo3b3o$65b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o45b3o27b3o56bo28b2o$64bob
2o16bob2o56bobo27bobo85bo8bo$65b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b3o45bo29bo46bo36bo9b
o4b2o$71b2o6bo11b2o6bo121b3o32bo3b2o5b2o6bo$72bo5b2o12bo5b2o65bo29bo
25bo2bo34bob2o11b2o$70b3o17b3o71b3o27b3o51bo11b2o4bo$164bobo7bo19bobo
7bo30bo13bo7bo8bobo5b3o6b2o$159b2o4bo9bo13b2o4bo9bo13b2o15bo6bo5b2o9bo
5b3o7bo7bo$160b2o7bo5b2o13b2o7bo5b2o13b2o14b2o4b3o3b2o11bo13b2o6b2o$
155bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo14b2o5bobo16b2o$154b3o2bo10bo13b3o2b
o10bo13b3o2bo23bo2bo13b2o5b2o$154bobo9bo17bobo9bo17bobo14bo2b2o7bo4b2o
6b2o8bob2o$155bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o12bob2o5b2o3bob2o4bo
b2o8b2o$152bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o12b2o12b2o6b2o$152b
o2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o11bo8bo$153b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2b
o22b3o5b2o$154bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo12b2o6bo7b2o$161b2o13b2o13b2o
13b2o13b2o12b2o13bo$160b2o14bo13b2o14bo13b2o13bo13bo$175bo29bo24b2o2bo
7b2o$153b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o14bob2o10bo$154bo14bo14bo14bo14bo15b2o
10b2o$153b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o3b2o$219bo$218b2o$225bo$226bo$218bo7b
2o$217b3o5b2o$217bo$224b2o$218b2o3bob2o$219bo4b2o$219bo2bo10b2o$218bob
o11bob2o$218b3o3b2o7b2o3b2o$5b2o54b3o17b3o82b3o11b3o36bo5b2o12b2o$6bo
56bo5b2o12bo5b2o77bo5b2o6bo5b2o35bo13bo$4b3o4b2o49b2o6bo11b2o6bo76b2o
6bo5b2o6bo34bo11bo$12bo43b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b3o75bo6b3o4bo6b3o43bo3b2o$
10b3o3b2o37bob2o16bob2o157bob2o$17bo38b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o83b2o12b2o48b2o
$15b3o51bo19bo84bo13bo45bo$53bo2bo11b2o3bo2bo11b2o83b2o12b2o48bo$54bob
o17bobo161bo$53bobobo15bobobo130bo29b2o$2bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo19bo6bo29b
o29bo19bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo8b2o4b2o$o19bo9bo9bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo2bobobo2bo
9bo4bo4bo4bo4bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo31bo$19b3o17b3o11b5o15b5o37b
o115b2o$54b3o17b3o48bo9bo37bo9bo40b2o$27b2o18b2o6bo19bo69bo9bo26b3o32b
3o5bo$28bo19bo46bo29bo39bo16bobo26b2o4bobo3b3o$15b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o45b
3o27b3o56bo28b2o$14bob2o16bob2o56bobo27bobo85bo8bo$15b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo
6b3o45bo29bo46bo36bo9bo4b2o$21b2o6bo11b2o6bo121b3o32bo3b2o5b2o6bo$22bo
5b2o12bo5b2o65bo29bo25bo2bo34bob2o11b2o$20b3o17b3o71b3o27b3o51bo11b2o
4bo$114bobo7bo19bobo7bo30bo13bo7bo8bobo5b3o6b2o$109b2o4bo9bo13b2o4bo9b
o13b2o15bo6bo5b2o9bo5b3o7bo7bo$110b2o7bo5b2o13b2o7bo5b2o13b2o14b2o4b3o
3b2o11bo13b2o6b2o$105bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo14b2o5bobo16b2o$
104b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo23bo2bo13b2o5b2o$104bobo9bo17bobo9bo
17bobo14bo2b2o7bo4b2o6b2o8bob2o$105bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b
2o12bob2o5b2o3bob2o4bob2o8b2o$102bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bo
b2o12b2o12b2o6b2o$102bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o11bo8bo$
103b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2bo22b3o5b2o$104bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo12b2o
6bo7b2o$111b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o12b2o13bo$110b2o14bo13b2o14bo13b2o
13bo13bo$125bo29bo24b2o2bo7b2o$103b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o14bob2o10bo$
104bo14bo14bo14bo14bo15b2o10b2o$103b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o74$170bo6$
170bo6$170bo72$128b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o$129bo14bo14bo14bo14bo15b2o
10b2o$128b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o14bob2o10bo$150bo29bo24b2o2bo7b2o$135b
2o14bo13b2o14bo13b2o13bo13bo$136b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o12b2o13bo$129bo
6bo13b2o7bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo12b2o6bo7b2o$128b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2bo22b3o5b
2o$127bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o11bo8bo$127bo5bob2o11bob
2o5bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o12b2o12b2o6b2o$130bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o6b2o
5b2o9bo3b2o12bob2o5b2o3bob2o4bob2o8b2o$129bobo9bo17bobo9bo17bobo14bo2b
2o7bo4b2o6b2o8bob2o$129b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo23bo2bo13b2o5b2o$
130bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo14b2o5bobo16b2o$135b2o7bo5b2o13b2o7b
o5b2o13b2o14b2o4b3o3b2o11bo13b2o6b2o$134b2o4bo9bo13b2o4bo9bo13b2o15bo
6bo5b2o9bo5b3o7bo7bo$139bobo7bo19bobo7bo30bo13bo7bo8bobo5b3o6b2o$45b3o
17b3o71b3o27b3o51bo11b2o4bo$47bo5b2o12bo5b2o65bo29bo25bo2bo34bob2o11b
2o$46b2o6bo11b2o6bo121b3o32bo3b2o5b2o6bo$40b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b3o45bo
29bo46bo36bo9bo4b2o$39bob2o16bob2o56bobo27bobo85bo8bo$40b2o10b2o6b2o
10b2o45b3o27b3o56bo28b2o$53bo19bo46bo29bo39bo16bobo26b2o4bobo3b3o$52b
2o18b2o6bo19bo69bo9bo26b3o32b3o5bo$79b3o17b3o48bo9bo37bo9bo40b2o$44b3o
17b3o11b5o15b5o37bo115b2o$25bo19bo9bo9bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo
4bo4bo4bo4bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo31bo$27bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo19bo
6bo29bo29bo19bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo8b2o4b2o$78bobobo15bobobo130bo29b2o$79bo
bo17bobo161bo$78bo2bo11b2o3bo2bo11b2o83b2o12b2o48bo$40b3o51bo19bo84bo
13bo45bo$42bo38b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o83b2o12b2o48b2o$35b3o3b2o37bob2o16bob
2o157bob2o$37bo43b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b3o75bo6b3o4bo6b3o43bo3b2o$29b3o4b
2o49b2o6bo11b2o6bo76b2o6bo5b2o6bo34bo11bo$31bo56bo5b2o12bo5b2o77bo5b2o
6bo5b2o35bo13bo$30b2o54b3o17b3o82b3o11b3o36bo5b2o12b2o$243b3o3b2o7b2o
3b2o$243bobo11bob2o$244bo2bo10b2o$244bo4b2o$243b2o3bob2o$249b2o$242bo$
242b3o5b2o$243bo7b2o$251bo$250bo$243b2o$244bo$148b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b
2o33b2o$149bo14bo14bo14bo14bo15b2o10b2o$148b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o14bo
b2o10bo$170bo29bo24b2o2bo7b2o$155b2o14bo13b2o14bo13b2o13bo13bo$156b2o
13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o12b2o13bo$149bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo12b2o6bo7b
2o$148b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2bo22b3o5b2o$147bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o13b2o
6bo2bo3b2o11bo8bo$147bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o12b2o12b
2o6b2o$150bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o12bob2o5b2o3bob2o4bob2o
8b2o$149bobo9bo17bobo9bo17bobo14bo2b2o7bo4b2o6b2o8bob2o$149b3o2bo10bo
13b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo23bo2bo13b2o5b2o$150bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4b
o14b2o5bobo16b2o$155b2o7bo5b2o13b2o7bo5b2o13b2o14b2o4b3o3b2o11bo13b2o
6b2o$154b2o4bo9bo13b2o4bo9bo13b2o15bo6bo5b2o9bo5b3o7bo7bo$159bobo7bo
19bobo7bo30bo13bo7bo8bobo5b3o6b2o$65b3o17b3o71b3o27b3o51bo11b2o4bo$67b
o5b2o12bo5b2o65bo29bo25bo2bo34bob2o11b2o$66b2o6bo11b2o6bo121b3o32bo3b
2o5b2o6bo$60b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b3o45bo29bo46bo36bo9bo4b2o$59bob2o16bob
2o56bobo27bobo85bo8bo$60b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o45b3o27b3o56bo28b2o$73bo19bo
46bo29bo39bo16bobo26b2o4bobo3b3o$72b2o18b2o6bo19bo69bo9bo26b3o32b3o5bo
$99b3o17b3o48bo9bo37bo9bo40b2o$64b3o17b3o11b5o15b5o37bo115b2o$45bo19bo
9bo9bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo4bo4bo4bo4bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9b
o9bo31bo$47bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo19bo6bo29bo29bo19bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo8b2o4b
2o$98bobobo15bobobo130bo29b2o$99bobo17bobo161bo$98bo2bo11b2o3bo2bo11b
2o83b2o12b2o48bo$60b3o51bo19bo84bo13bo45bo$62bo38b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o83b
2o12b2o48b2o$55b3o3b2o37bob2o16bob2o157bob2o$57bo43b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b
3o75bo6b3o4bo6b3o43bo3b2o$49b3o4b2o49b2o6bo11b2o6bo76b2o6bo5b2o6bo34bo
11bo$51bo56bo5b2o12bo5b2o77bo5b2o6bo5b2o35bo13bo$50b2o54b3o17b3o82b3o
11b3o36bo5b2o12b2o$263b3o3b2o7b2o3b2o$263bobo11bob2o$264bo2bo10b2o$
264bo4b2o$263b2o3bob2o$269b2o$262bo$262b3o5b2o$263bo7b2o$271bo$270bo$
263b2o$264bo$168b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o33b2o$169bo14bo14bo14bo14bo15b
2o10b2o$168b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o14bob2o10bo$190bo29bo24b2o2bo7b2o$
175b2o14bo13b2o14bo13b2o13bo13bo$176b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o13b2o12b2o13bo$
169bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo13b2o7bo6bo12b2o6bo7b2o$168b3o2bo24b3o2bo24b3o2bo
22b3o5b2o$167bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o13b2o6bo2bo3b2o11bo8bo$167bo5bob
2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o11bob2o5bo5bob2o12b2o12b2o6b2o$170bo3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo
3b2o6b2o5b2o9bo3b2o12bob2o5b2o3bob2o4bob2o8b2o$169bobo9bo17bobo9bo17bo
bo14bo2b2o7bo4b2o6b2o8bob2o$169b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo10bo13b3o2bo23bo2bo
13b2o5b2o$170bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo9bo3b2o9bo4bo14b2o5bobo16b2o$175b2o7bo
5b2o13b2o7bo5b2o13b2o14b2o4b3o3b2o11bo13b2o6b2o$174b2o4bo9bo13b2o4bo9b
o13b2o15bo6bo5b2o9bo5b3o7bo7bo$179bobo7bo19bobo7bo30bo13bo7bo8bobo5b3o
6b2o$85b3o17b3o71b3o27b3o51bo11b2o4bo$87bo5b2o12bo5b2o65bo29bo25bo2bo
34bob2o11b2o$86b2o6bo11b2o6bo121b3o32bo3b2o5b2o6bo$80b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo
6b3o45bo29bo46bo36bo9bo4b2o$79bob2o16bob2o56bobo27bobo85bo8bo$80b2o10b
2o6b2o10b2o45b3o27b3o56bo28b2o$93bo19bo46bo29bo39bo16bobo26b2o4bobo3b
3o$92b2o18b2o6bo19bo69bo9bo26b3o32b3o5bo$119b3o17b3o48bo9bo37bo9bo40b
2o$84b3o17b3o11b5o15b5o37bo115b2o$65bo19bo9bo9bo9bo2bobobo2bo9bo2bobob
o2bo9bo4bo4bo4bo4bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo31bo$67bo2bo26bo2bo26bo
2bo19bo6bo29bo29bo19bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo8b2o4b2o$118bobobo15bobobo130bo
29b2o$119bobo17bobo161bo$118bo2bo11b2o3bo2bo11b2o83b2o12b2o48bo$80b3o
51bo19bo84bo13bo45bo$82bo38b2o10b2o6b2o10b2o83b2o12b2o48b2o$75b3o3b2o
37bob2o16bob2o157bob2o$77bo43b2o3bo6b3o5b2o3bo6b3o75bo6b3o4bo6b3o43bo
3b2o$69b3o4b2o49b2o6bo11b2o6bo76b2o6bo5b2o6bo34bo11bo$71bo56bo5b2o12bo
5b2o77bo5b2o6bo5b2o35bo13bo$70b2o54b3o17b3o82b3o11b3o36bo5b2o12b2o$
283b3o3b2o7b2o3b2o$283bobo11bob2o$284bo2bo10b2o$284bo4b2o$283b2o3bob2o
$289b2o$282bo$282b3o5b2o$283bo7b2o$291bo$290bo$283b2o$284bo$283b2o!
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby BlinkerSpawn » July 1st, 2018, 9:07 am

Noticed there was one set of reflectors that wasn't being used, so after a bit more trimming we have this:
x = 173, y = 186, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
47bo$49bo$48b2o3$48bo$46b5o$46bo3bo$45b2obob2o$46bo3bo$46b5o$48bo49$
34bo$32bo$32b2o3$32bo$30b5o$30bo3bo$29b2obob2o$30bo3bo$30b5o$26bo5bo$
24b5o$24bo3bo$19b2o2b2obob2o$20bo3bo3bo$18bo5b5o$26bo20bo$45b5o$45bo3b
o$44b2obob2o$45bo3bo$45b5o$47bo3$46b2o$46bo$48bo9$154bo$156bo$155b2o2$
65bo9bo$63b5o5b5o78bo$63bo3bo5bo3bo76b5o$62b2obob2o3b2obob2o75bo3bo$
63bo3bo2bo2bo3bo75b2obob2o$63b5ob3ob5o76bo3bo$65bo2bobobo2bo78b5o$156b
o7bo$162b5o$47bo22bo91bo3bo$39bo5b5o111b2obob2o2b2o$8bo30b3o3bo3bo112b
o3bo3bo$6b5o30bo2b2obob2o19bo91b5o5bo$o5bo3bo26b3o5bo3bo114bo$2bo2b2ob
ob2o20bo2bo2bo6b5o$b2o3bo3bo26b3o7bo5bo$6b5o30bo9b5o$8bo30b5o7bo3bo$
39bo3bo6b2obob2o$38b2obob2o6bo3bo$39bo3bo7b5o$39b5o9bo$41bo2$53b2o$53b
o47bo$55bo43bo$99b2o3$100bo$98b5o$98bo3bo$97b2obob2o$98bo3bo$98b5o$26b
o73bo$18bo5b5o$20bo3bo3bo$19b2o2b2obob2o$24bo3bo$24b5o$26bo5bo$30b5o$
30bo3bo$29b2obob2o$30bo3bo$30b5o$14bo17bo$13b3o$13bobo$14bo17b2o$32bo$
34bo15$13b3o$13bobo14$69b3o$69bobo!

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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 7th, 2018, 1:21 am

I got off my lazy behind and am now starting work on compiling the salvo! Here's the first step, the rightmost R->G:
x = 631, y = 23, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
91b2o58b2o8b2o$92bo59bo9bo$91b2o58b2o8b2o$131b2o38b2o442bo$132bo8b2o
29bo8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o168b2o101bobo$111b2o8b2o8b2o9bo28b2o9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9b
o9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo169bo102bo$101b2o9bo9bo18b2o38b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o168b2o$102bo8b2o8b2o318b
2o78b2o$101b2o339bo79bo8b2o$351b2o88b2o78b2o9bo$352bo178b2o$351b2o68b
2o118b2o$11b2o68b2o278b2o59bo8b2o109bo$12bo8b2o8b2o49bo279bo38b2o18b2o
9bo108b2o18b2o$11b2o9bo9bo48b2o278b2o39bo28b2o129bo$21b2o8b2o368b2o48b
2o98b2o8b2o64bo$452bo99bo72b5o$451b2o98b2o48b2o22bo3bo$41b2o458b2o78b
2o19bo21b2obob2o$b2o39bo8b2o8b2o439bo79bo8b2o8b2o22bo3bo$2bo38b2o9bo9b
o438b2o78b2o9bo18b2o8b2o2b5o$3o48b2o8b2o528b2o19bo9bo4bo$611b2o8b2o!

It's probably really inefficient, but it doesn't appear much could be done...

EDIT: I'm having trouble, this:
x = 50, y = 8, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3bo$b5o$bo3bo22b2o$2obob2o21bo19b2o$bo3bo22b2o8b2o8bo$b5o2b2o8b2o18bo
9b2o$3bo4bo9bo19b2o$8b2o8b2o!

Is too wide to fit in some of the slots. Can someone help synthesize anything with a half-carrier or Z instead of the snowflake-clip?
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby Goldtiger997 » July 7th, 2018, 7:44 am

danny wrote:EDIT: I'm having trouble, this:
x = 50, y = 8, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3bo$b5o$bo3bo22b2o$2obob2o21bo19b2o$bo3bo22b2o8b2o8bo$b5o2b2o8b2o18bo
9b2o$3bo4bo9bo19b2o$8b2o8b2o!

Is too wide to fit in some of the slots. Can someone help synthesize anything with a half-carrier or Z instead of the snowflake-clip?


Sorry, I can't see the problem you're referring to. Here is Blinkerspawn's pattern modified by replacing the reflectors with ones from 2718281828's slow salvo post (Edit 3):...

x = 173, y = 512, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
49bo$47b5o$47bo3bo$46b2obob2o$47bo3bo$47b5o$49bo$48b2o3$48bo$46b5o$46b
o3bo$45b2obob2o$46bo3bo$46b5o$48bo49$32b2o$32bo$31b2o3$32bo$30b5o$30bo
3bo$29b2obob2o$30bo3bo$30b5o$26bo5bo$24b5o$24bo3bo$20bo2b2obob2o$18b3o
3bo3bo$18bo5b5o$26bo20bo$45b5o$45bo3bo$44b2obob2o$45bo3bo$45b5o$47bo3$
46b2o$46bo$48bo9$156b2o$156bo$155b2o2$65bo9bo$63b5o5b5o78bo$63bo3bo5bo
3bo76b5o$62b2obob2o3b2obob2o75bo3bo$63bo3bo2bo2bo3bo75b2obob2o$63b5ob
3ob5o76bo3bo$65bo2bobobo2bo78b5o$156bo7bo$162b5o$47bo22bo91bo3bo$39bo
5b5o111b2obob2o2bo$8bo30b3o3bo3bo112bo3bo3b3o$6b5o30bo2b2obob2o19bo91b
5o5bo$6bo3bo26b3o5bo3bo114bo$2bo2b2obob2o20bo2bo2bo6b5o$3o3bo3bo26b3o
7bo5bo$o5b5o30bo9b5o$8bo30b5o7bo3bo$39bo3bo6b2obob2o$38b2obob2o6bo3bo$
39bo3bo7b5o$39b5o9bo$41bo2$53b2o$53bo46b2o$55bo44bo$99b2o3$100bo$98b5o
$98bo3bo$97b2obob2o$98bo3bo$98b5o$26bo73bo$24b5o$24bo3bo$20bo2b2obob2o
$18b3o3bo3bo$18bo5b5o$26bo5bo$30b5o$30bo3bo$29b2obob2o$30bo3bo$30b5o$
14bo17bo$13b3o$13bobo$14bo17b2o$33bo$31b5o$31bo3bo$30b2obob2o$31bo3bo$
31b5o$33bo10$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$13bobo
20$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$
13bobo26$13b3o$13bobo38$13b3o$13bobo20$13b3o$13bobo24$14bo$13b3o$13bob
o$14bo14$69b3o$69bobo3$14bo$13b3o$13bobo$14bo18$14bo$13b3o$13bobo$14bo
9$70bo$69b3o$69bobo$70bo!


...But I can't see the problem; the only reflectors with snowflakes-with-clips don't seem to have any issues with placement. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your problem.

Also, just want to clear up a possible misconception. The slow salvo needs to go through a 90 degree bend before being aimed at the construction area. So a slow salvo synthesis for a snowflake-with-clip needs to go something like this:

x = 127, y = 54, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
22b2o4b2o18b2o4b2o18b2o4b2o$13b2o8bo5bo9b2o8bo5bo9b2o8bo5bo$14bo7b2o4b
2o10bo7b2o4b2o10bo7b2o4b2o$13b2o24b2o24b2o53bo$118b5o$118bo3bo$20b2o
24b2o24b2o43b2obob2o$21bo25bo25bo44bo3bo$20b2o24b2o24b2o44b5o$2o118bo$
bo91b2o$2o92bo10b2o$93b2o11bo$105b2o34$123bo$121b5o$121bo3bo$120b2obob
2o$121bo3bo$121b5o$123bo!


It would be useful if we can find an efficient slow salvo snowflake pull (I have some inefficient ones).

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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby 2718281828 » July 7th, 2018, 4:02 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:It would be useful if we can find an efficient slow salvo snowflake pull (I have some inefficient ones).

It seems to be difficult to find efficient pull reactions. I have these ones:
x = 96, y = 159, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
13$16bo46bo$14b5o42b5o$14bo3bo42bo3bo$13b2obob2o40b2obob2o$14bo3bo42bo
3bo$14b5o42b5o$16bo46bo$67b3o$67bobo2$18b3o$18bobo3$65b3o$65bobo$18b3o
$18bobo5$16b3o$16bobo49b3o$68bobo6$12b3o$12bobo53b3o$68bobo6$20b3o$20b
obo45b3o$68bobo3$17b3o$17bobo3$68b3o$68bobo2$17b3o$17bobo3$65b3o$65bob
o2$17b3o$17bobo5$65b3o$17b3o45bobo$17bobo7$16b3o$16bobo42b3o$61bobo8$
67b3o$67bobo5$21b3o$21bobo2$61b3o$61bobo4$19b3o$19bobo39b3o$61bobo5$
22b3o36b3o$22bobo36bobo6$22b3o$22bobo37b3o$62bobo6$21b3o$21bobo16$20b
3o$20bobo!

The first one is a 1-cell pull for 16G, it can be easily adjusted to a 2-cell pull for 15G, 3-cell for 14G, 4-cell for 13G and 5-cell for 12G. The right hand side option requires 14G for 1-cell pull, 13 for 2-cell, 12 for 3-cell and 4-cell pull for 11G.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 7th, 2018, 9:18 pm

Here's my pull:
x = 101, y = 15, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
10b2o8b2o$11bo9bo$10b2o8b2o$2o38b2o$bo39bo$2o38b2o$30b2o48b2o$31bo49bo
$30b2o48b2o$50b2o38b2o8bo$51bo39bo$50b2o38b2o$60b2o8b2o$61bo9bo$60b2o
8b2o!

Of course, it's not that efficient for single-cell pulls, but covering long distances it is quite nice.

Also, for future reference, what side should I build the universal constructor in Goldtiger's post from?
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby Goldtiger997 » July 7th, 2018, 9:34 pm

Nice pulls danny and 2718281828.

danny wrote:Also, for future reference, what side should I build the universal constructor in Goldtiger's post from


Ideally, you should have the salvo coming from the west, which then goes around a 90 degree bend so that it aims towards the south, where it will create the constructor.

You could also just have the salvo coming from the north and directly creating the constructor. We would then need to write a script to convert it into the type of salvo mentioned above. This would be less efficient but easier to do.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 10th, 2018, 2:08 am

2718281828 wrote:There might be a 3c/10 ship:

How would we go about making this? of course, a back-R can be turned into a G by one of the other G's:
x = 80, y = 34, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
b2o74b2o$ob2o72b2obo$b2o74b2o$6b2o64b2o$5bob2o62b2obo$6b2o64b2o$11b2o
54b2o$10bob2o52b2obo$11b2o54b2o$16b2o44b2o$15bob2o42b2obo$16b2o44b2o$
21b2o34b2o$20bob2o32b2obo$21b2o34b2o$26b2o9bo4bo9b2o$25bob2o22b2obo$
26b2o9bo4bo9b2o$31b2o14b2o$30bob2o3bo4bo3b2obo$31b2o14b2o5$30bo$29b3o$
29bo2bo4$30bo$29b3o$28bo2bo!

But I'm not sure how this would go together...

EDIT: Also, sorry, I don't really get which direction I'm supposed to build the salvo in. I'm going to be doing only single gliders, (the latter suggestion in GT's post), which will directly create the snowflakes...but I'm confused. Can you put together pattern showing the direction?

EDIT2: even better 7c/22 climber:
x = 55, y = 41, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
2o$bo$2o2$4b2o$3bob2o$4b2o$11b2o$12bo$11b2o2$15b2o$14bob2o$15b2o$22b2o
$23bo$22b2o2$26b2o$25bob2o$26b2o$33b2o$34bo$33b2o2$37b2o$36bob2o$37b2o
$44b2o$45bo8bo$44b2o$54bo$48b2o$47bob2o3bo$48b2o2$50b2o$50bobo$49bo$
50bo$50bo!

I wonder if a 2G emitter can be found...
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby Goldtiger997 » July 10th, 2018, 2:40 am

danny wrote:EDIT: Also, sorry, I don't really get which direction I'm supposed to build the salvo in. I'm going to be doing only single gliders, (the latter suggestion in GT's post), which will directly create the snowflakes...but I'm confused. Can you put together pattern showing the direction?


Sure, sorry for previous vague explanations. Here is a diagram. Destruction phase not included:

x = 328, y = 171, rule = LifeHistory
205.D$205.D2$204.2D$190.2D.3D8.2D$184.D.D2.5D.D5.2D.2D.D$166.E16.2D.
2D.D.2D2.2D2.3D2.2D.D$164.5E13.2D2.4D.2D3.5D4.3D$164.E3.E13.D3.3D2.2D
3.2D2.D2.2D$163.2E.E.2E11.D4.3D2.2D.D6.3D$164.E3.E12.5D8.D$164.5E25.D
$166.E26.2D$165.2E6.D11.D7.2D$173.2D10.D6.D.D9.D$171.4D8.5D4.D.D$165.
E5.D.2D11.D4.D2.D7.D6.D$163.5E5.4D9.D3.2D2.D2.2D3.D5.2D$163.E3.E5.D2.
D9.2D.2D3.D.D.6D4.2D$162.2E.E.2E4.D13.3D4.3D2.2D2.D2.5D$163.E3.E5.D
20.2D7.D.2D3.D$163.5E4.D21.2D7.2D4.2D$165.E6.D21.D$172.D$172.D$172.D$
172.D$77.2D93.D$78.2D60.D31.D$79.3D56.5D29.D$2.2D16.2D59.2D30.D2.2D
20.D3.D29.D$.2D17.3D59.2D9.4D.5D.5D4.D.3D.3D4.D.2D7.2D.D.2D28.D$.D18.
D.D61.2D12.D3.D.D3.D4.D.D.D.D.D4.D.2D8.D3.D29.D$D19.2D63.D12.D5.D2.2D
5.2D.3D.D4.D.3D7.5D$D19.2D5.D3.2D3.5D43.D12.D6.4D6.D2.2D2.3D2.3D.2D2.
D5.D12.D$D19.2D5.D3.D3.2D.2D8.9D11.16D13.D6.3D7.D2.D4.2D2.2D3.4D18.D
14.D21.D$3D11.D5.D6.D3.D3.D2.2D17.11D14.D14.D8.4D4.D11.2D25.D14.D21.D
$2.3D7.3D5.D6.2D.D4.D.2D41.3D14.D28.2D25.D14.D21.D$4.2D6.D.D4.2D7.3D
4.3D88.2D25.D14.D21.D$6.D5.D.D4.2D105.2D25.D14.D21.D$5.2D5.D.D5.D105.
2D25.D14.D21.D$5.D6.4D4.D132.D14.D21.D$3.2D10.3D2.3D98.2D28.3D14.D21.
D$4D17.D100.D29.3D.2D6.D3.D21.D$122.D30.4D7.2D2.3D19.D$122.D31.2D9.5D
20.D$122.D67.D$122.D16.D50.D$122.D16.6D41.D3.D$122.D16.D5.D12.D7.2D7.
D10.2D2.D$122.D16.D3.3D12.2D5.D.2D6.D11.4D$122.D16.D.3D21.D2.D6.2D11.
2D$123.D15.3D23.D2.D6.2D$123.D15.4D10.D11.2D.D5.3D$123.D15.D2.D10.D5.
D6.2D5.4D$123.D15.D2.D4.D4.2D5.D6.2D4.3D.D4.D$123.D15.D2.D5.D2.3D5.D
6.2D4.D.D.2D2.2D$123.D15.D2.D5.4D.D4.3D4.3D3.4D2.D.2D$123.D15.4D6.2D
2.2D2.2D.D3.2D.5D.D3.3D$123.D15.2D13.3D3.5D6.3D$123.D37.2D$123.D$123.
D59.3D$122.D$122.D40.2D10.D$122.D41.5D.4D.D8.D5.D$122.D47.D4.D8.D5.2D
$122.D46.2D4.D2.2D4.D4.2D$122.D46.D5.D.4D2.2D3.2D$122.D46.D5.D.D2.D.
3D3.4D$122.D46.2D4.3D2.3D.D2.2D2.D$122.D26.2E25.D7.D.2D3.D$122.D26.E
26.D7.3D2.3D$122.D25.2E$122.D$122.D$122.D26.E$122.D24.5E$123.D23.E3.E
$123.D22.2E.E.2E$123.D23.E3.E$123.D23.5E$123.D19.E5.E$123.D17.5E$123.
D17.E3.E$123.D13.E2.2E.E.2E$123.D11.3E3.E3.E$123.D11.E5.5E$123.D19.E
20.E$123.D38.5E$123.D38.E3.E$123.D37.2E.E.2E$123.D38.E3.E$123.D38.5E$
123.D40.E$123.D$123.D$123.D39.2E$123.D39.E$123.D41.E$119.D3.D$119.D3.
D6.D$120.D2.D5.2D$120.2D7.D$121.2D5.D$122.2D3.2D$123.D2.D$124.D.D$
125.2D146.2E$273.E$272.2E2$182.E9.E$180.5E5.5E78.E$125.C54.E3.E5.E3.E
76.5E51.E$179.2E.E.2E3.2E.E.2E75.E3.E$180.E3.E2.E2.E3.E75.2E.E.2E$
180.5E.3E.5E76.E3.E$182.E2.E.E.E2.E78.5E$273.E7.E$279.5E$164.E22.E91.
E3.E$156.E5.5E111.2E.E.2E2.E$125.E30.3E3.E3.E112.E3.E3.3E$123.5E30.E
2.2E.E.2E19.E91.5E5.E$123.E3.E26.3E5.E3.E114.E$119.E2.2E.E.2E20.E2.E
2.E6.5E$117.3E3.E3.E26.3E7.E5.E$117.E5.5E30.E9.5E$125.E30.5E7.E3.E$
156.E3.E6.2E.E.2E$155.2E.E.2E6.E3.E$156.E3.E7.5E$156.5E9.E$158.E2$
170.2E$170.E46.2E$172.E44.E$216.2E3$217.E$215.5E$215.E3.E$214.2E.E.2E
$215.E3.E$215.5E$143.E73.E$141.5E$141.E3.E$137.E2.2E.E.2E$135.3E3.E3.
E$135.E5.5E$143.E5.E$147.5E$147.E3.E$146.2E.E.2E$147.E3.E$147.5E$149.
E3$149.2E$150.E$148.5E$148.E3.E$147.2E.E.2E$148.E3.E$148.5E$150.E! [[ VIEWONLY ]]


The salvo comes from the west, and uses temporary snowflakes to reflect Gs south towards the construction area (and north for the G eater). I hope this makes sense. Feel free to just create the salvo coming from the north instead, as that will be easiest.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 10th, 2018, 3:21 am

Alright! Took me about 20 minutes on the first pair of reflectors (tilted 90 degrees, since it's way easier, but it still works from the north), I'll post updates as I go along:
x = 488, y = 31, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
400b2o58b2o8b2o$401bo59bo9bo12bo$400b2o58b2o8b2o10b5o$440b2o40bo3bo$
441bo8b2o29b2obob2o$420b2o8b2o8b2o9bo30bo3bo$410b2o9bo9bo18b2o30b5o$
411bo8b2o8b2o52bo$410b2o4$340b2o48b2o$341bo8b2o8b2o29bo$340b2o9bo9bo
28b2o$240b2o8b2o98b2o8b2o$241bo9bo28b2o$240b2o8b2o29bo48b2o$280b2o38b
2o9bo$20b2o88b2o68b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o89bo8b2o38b2o$21bo89bo58b2o9b
o9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo88b2o49bo$20b2o88b2o59bo8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o68b2o
8b2o58b2o$150b2o18b2o118b2o9bo9bo$151bo8b2o129bo8b2o8b2o$2o98b2o48b2o
9bo128b2o$bo8b2o18b2o48b2o19bo18b2o8b2o28b2o98b2o$2o9bo19bo49bo18b2o
19bo9bo129bo$10b2o18b2o48b2o8b2o28b2o8b2o128b2o$40b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o19bo$
41bo9bo9bo9bo18b2o$40b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o!

Also, each G is conveniently spaced multiples of 10 cells, as I thought that would be easier to make a script of.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 10th, 2018, 7:54 am

I got this far:
x = 1893, y = 87, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
1800b2o58b2o8b2o$1801bo59bo9bo$1800b2o58b2o8b2o$1840b2o38b2o10bo$1841b
o8b2o29bo$1820b2o8b2o8b2o9bo28b2o$1810b2o9bo9bo18b2o$1811bo8b2o8b2o$
1810b2o4$1740b2o48b2o$1741bo8b2o8b2o29bo$1740b2o9bo9bo28b2o$1640b2o8b
2o98b2o8b2o$1641bo9bo28b2o$1640b2o8b2o29bo48b2o$1680b2o38b2o9bo$1420b
2o88b2o68b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o89bo8b2o38b2o$1421bo89bo58b2o9bo9bo9bo
9bo9bo9bo88b2o49bo$1350b2o8b2o58b2o88b2o59bo8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
68b2o8b2o58b2o$1351bo9bo188b2o18b2o118b2o9bo9bo$1350b2o8b2o18b2o169bo
8b2o129bo8b2o8b2o$1330b2o38b2o9bo18b2o98b2o48b2o9bo128b2o$1331bo39bo8b
2o19bo8b2o18b2o48b2o19bo18b2o8b2o28b2o98b2o$1330b2o38b2o28b2o9bo19bo
49bo18b2o19bo9bo129bo$1300b2o8b2o28b2o68b2o18b2o48b2o8b2o28b2o8b2o128b
2o$1301bo9bo29bo98b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o19bo$1300b2o8b2o28b2o99bo9bo9bo9bo18b
2o$1280b2o38b2o118b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o$1281bo39bo$1280b2o38b2o$1250b2o8b2o
28b2o$1251bo9bo29bo$1250b2o8b2o28b2o$1230b2o38b2o$1231bo39bo$1230b2o
38b2o$1200b2o8b2o28b2o$1201bo9bo29bo$1200b2o8b2o28b2o$1180b2o38b2o$
1181bo39bo$1180b2o38b2o$1150b2o8b2o28b2o$1151bo9bo29bo$1150b2o8b2o28b
2o$1130b2o38b2o$1131bo39bo$1130b2o38b2o$1100b2o8b2o28b2o$1101bo9bo29bo
$1100b2o8b2o28b2o$1080b2o38b2o$1081bo39bo$1080b2o38b2o$1050b2o8b2o28b
2o$1051bo9bo29bo$1050b2o8b2o28b2o$1030b2o38b2o$1031bo39bo$1030b2o38b2o
$1000b2o8b2o28b2o$1001bo9bo29bo$1000b2o8b2o28b2o$980b2o38b2o$981bo39bo
$980b2o38b2o$950b2o8b2o28b2o$951bo9bo29bo$950b2o8b2o28b2o$930b2o38b2o$
931bo39bo$930b2o38b2o$20b2o88b2o828b2o$21bo89bo58b2o769bo$20b2o88b2o
59bo8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o18b2o$150b2o18b2o9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9b
o9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo
9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo
9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo$151bo8b2o18b
2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o$2o98b2o48b2o9bo$bo8b2o18b2o48b2o19bo18b2o8b2o28b2o$
2o9bo19bo49bo18b2o19bo9bo$10b2o18b2o48b2o8b2o28b2o8b2o$40b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o19bo$41bo9bo9bo9bo18b2o$40b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o!

But the p3 from behind is going to be a huge challenge. This is the closest I have:
x = 690, y = 27, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
470b2o8b2o$471bo9bo$470b2o8b2o20b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b
2o8b2o8b2o$2o448b2o38b2o11bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo$bo8b2o8b
2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o219bo39bo10b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
8b2o18b2o$2o9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo9bo
9bo9bo9bo9bo218b2o38b2o141bo$10b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o
8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o8b2o18b2o208b2o170b2o$
251bo209bo160b2o38b2o$250b2o208b2o161bo39bo8b2o$240b2o38b2o340b2o38b2o
9bo$241bo39bo360b2o8b2o18b2o$240b2o38b2o361bo9bo$260b2o8b2o28b2o340b2o
8b2o$261bo9bo29bo380b2o5bo$260b2o8b2o28b2o108b2o8b2o261bo$290b2o38b2o
79bo9bo260b2o$291bo39bo78b2o8b2o18b2o$290b2o38b2o58b2o38b2o9bo$310b2o
8b2o28b2o39bo39bo8b2o$311bo9bo29bo38b2o38b2o$310b2o8b2o28b2o48b2o$340b
2o38b2o19bo$341bo39bo18b2o$340b2o38b2o$360b2o8b2o$361bo9bo$360b2o8b2o!

The only setup here (which is only the last step of said setup) requires a bunch of reflectors, and that will be hugely costly. But i'll try soon.

Can anybody spot any obvious improvements in my pattern?
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 16th, 2018, 7:25 pm

Cool-ish thing I noticed:
x = 38, y = 19, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
3o32b2o$2bo32bo$b2o34bo2$4b2o25b2o$5b2o24bo$5bo27bo$4bo$8b2o17b2o$9bo
17bo$7b3o19bo$11bo$12bo10b2o$12b2o9bo$11b2o12bo2$16b2ob2o$17bobo$15bo
5bo!

I will look for some other diagonal puffers today.
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Re: Snowflakes (B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e)

Postby danny » July 22nd, 2018, 2:14 am

New c/3 stuff:
x = 64, y = 88, rule = B2ci3ai4c8/S02ae3eijkq4iz5ar6i7e
53b2o3b2o$3bobobo45b2o2b3o$52bo5b2o$52bo$60b2o$3bobobobo46bo2b3o$60b2o
$4bo$2b2o4bo49bobo$8b2o45b7o$bobo4bo47bobobo$bo2bo$bo4bo49bobo$6b2o47b
5o$6bo49bobo$bo2$4bo49bo$3b3o47b3o$2b5o3bo41b5o3bo$3b3o2b2ob2o40b3o2b
2ob2o$4bo3bobobo41bo3bobobo$7bo3b2o44bo3b2o2$6bo3bo45bo3bo$5b2o3b2o43b
2o3b2o$5bo4bo44bo4bo$5bo2bo46bo2bo$5bobo4bo42bobo4bo$12b2o48b2o$6b2o4b
o43b2o4bo$8bo49bo2$7bobobobo43bobobobo4$7bobobo45bobobo13$4bobo47bo3bo
$3b5o45b2o3b2o$4bobo46bo4bo$53bo2bo$4bobobo44bobo4bo$3b7o50b2o$6bobo
45b2o4bo$56bo$8b2o$4bo2b3o45bobobobo$8b2o$o$6b2o$5b3o47bobobo$6b2o$bo
2$4bo49bo$3b3o47b3o$2b5o3bo41b5o3bo$3b3o2b2ob2o40b3o2b2ob2o$4bo3bobobo
41bo3bobobo$7bo3b2o44bo3b2o2$6bo3bo45bo3bo$5b2o3b2o43b2o3b2o$5bo4bo44b
o4bo$5bo2bo46bo2bo$5bobo4bo42bobo4bo$12b2o48b2o$6b2o4bo43b2o4bo$8bo49b
o2$7bobobobo43bobobobo4$7bobobo45bobobo!
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