Wire World Extensible 3 (WWEJ3)

[alan2here]

I made "ships" as I described, so it breaks most patterns even though the behaviour is almost identical, thease patterns could probbably be reworked. Could we work with this instead for building ships? I will upload to the RTR if it is a success.

http://with-logic.co.uk/a/ships.table
http://with-logic.co.uk/a/ships.colors

[12Glider]

I made "ships" as I described, so it breaks most patterns even though the behaviour is almost identical, thease patterns could probbably be reworked. Could we work with this instead for building ships? I will upload to the RTR if it is a success.

ftp://with-logic.co.uk/public_html/a/ships.table
ftp://with-logic.co.uk/public_html/a/ships.colors

It says I do not have permission to view the items.

[alan2here]

Thanks. I've fixed the link, am most greatfull, can't believe that nobody pointed that out before.

[ebcube]

I'm trying to make ships with your ruletable, but I can't. Can you post a sample ship?

[alan2here]

phew, right, lets try again, freshly uploaded with corrections.

http://with-logic.co.uk/a/b/ships.table
http://with-logic.co.uk/a/b/ships.colors

Iv'e added some exceptions to better moddel the states in the original WWEJ3, apparently It couldn't be that neet. The extra lines Iv'e added to the rule table are commented accordingly. Tell me if you find anything that won't convert (I expect there will be some things) and I will fix them.

Here is an example.

x = 13, y = 7, rule = ships
$4.B3.B$4.CB.BC$3.D5.D$2.A.A.A.A.A$.A.A.A.A.A.A!

[alan2here]

bump

[Wojowu]

Predecessor of spaceship which is glide symmetric and produces smaller sparks

Code: Select all

x = 11, y = 5, rule = ships
3.B3.B$3.CB.BC$2.D5.D$.A.A.A.A.A$A.A.A.A.3A!

Another one

Code: Select all

x = 11, y = 7, rule = ships
3.B3.B$3.CB.BC$2.D5.D$.A.A.A.A.A$A.A.A.A3.A2$.A!

Puffer

Code: Select all

x = 26, y = 6, rule = ships
18.B3.B$3.B3.B10.CB.BC$3.CB.BC9.D5.D$2.D5.D7.A.A.A.A.A$.A.A.A.A.A5.A.
A.A.A.A.A$A.A.A.A.A.A!

Puffer leaving candles!

Code: Select all

x = 43, y = 9, rule = ships
19.B3.B$19.CB.BC$18.D5.D$3.A3.A9.A.A.A.A.A9.A3.A$2.A.A.A.A7.A.A.A.A.A
.A7.A.A.A.A$2.B2.A2.B25.B2.A2.B$2.C.A.A.C25.C.A.A.C$.D.D.A.D.D23.D.D.
A.D.D$A.A.A.A.A.A21.A.A.A.A.A.A!

Edit: One more!

Code: Select all

x = 27, y = 5, rule = Ships
3.B3.B11.B3.B$3.CB.BC11.CB.BC$2.D5.D9.D5.D$.A.A.A.A.A7.A.A.A.A.A$A.A.
A.A.A.A5.A.A.A.A.A.A!

[Hektor]

Can you please re-post the ship's ruletable and colors? The links are broken...
Thanks you in advance.

[Wojowu]

http://with-logic.co.uk/a/b/ships.table
http://with-logic.co.uk/a/b/ships.colors
They are before my post, but they aren't linked

[Hektor]

Thanks!

[alan2here]

Excelent, ty peeps. If everyone is ok with this verstion I'm going to put it onto the RTR.

[Wojowu]

None of my ships or puffers from your rule don't work when converted to WWEJ3. Compare these

Code: Select all

x = 43, y = 9, rule = WWEJ3
19.O3.O$19.NO.ON$18.H5.H$3.C3.C9.C.C.C.C.C9.C3.C$2.C.C.C.C7.C.C.C.C.C
.C7.C.C.C.C$2.O2.C2.O25.O2.C2.O$2.N.C.C.N25.N.C.C.N$.H.H.C.H.H23.H.H.
C.H.H$C.C.C.C.C.C21.C.C.C.C.C.C!

Code: Select all

x = 43, y = 9, rule = ships
19.B3.B$19.CB.BC$18.D5.D$3.A3.A9.A.A.A.A.A9.A3.A$2.A.A.A.A7.A.A.A.A.A
.A7.A.A.A.A$2.B2.A2.B25.B2.A2.B$2.C.A.A.C25.C.A.A.C$.D.D.A.D.D23.D.D.
A.D.D$A.A.A.A.A.A21.A.A.A.A.A.A!

You can see that expect for changing letters and rule numbers are all the same. But in your rule it produces Christmas candles, and in WWEJ3 not

[edwardfanboy]

Shuttle!

Code: Select all

x = 15, y = 2, rule = WWEJ3
3.9D$C.A10C.C!

[Extrementhusiast]

For some reason, I am really interested in the oscillators in this rule. Here is a small p8:

Code: Select all

x = 3, y = 4, rule = WWEJ3
.P$.B$C.J$.C!

And here is a naturally-appearing p6:

Code: Select all

x = 9, y = 6, rule = WWEJ3
3.BCIB.D$D.J2.C2.D$2.DOBD$2.D.P$5.3C$5.C.C!

I know that some of the cells are not necessary for the oscillator to function, but this was the form I found it in.

[alan2here]

Good stuff Wojowu. I'll get on it now.

[alan2here]

ok, testing time again
http://with-logic.co.uk/CA/ships.table
http://with-logic.co.uk/CA/ships.colors - also improved
http://with-logic.co.uk/CA/ships_pure.table
http://with-logic.co.uk/CA/ships_pure.colors

[Wojowu]

Nice, now more things work as in WWEJ3. But I found one small thing, this don't change move of most spaceships, but is important in my predecessors of ships. State 0 should change to state 2 only if one of its neighbors is state 4, not 2 or more. This pattern

Code: Select all

x = 3, y = 1, rule = ships
3D!

should make state 2 only on ends (i.e. to the left and to the right). Also, state 4 should evolve into some state 5, which isn't eating wire. I can try to make such table if you want. Also, what is second rule based on? It behaves a lot different than WWEJ3

[alan2here]

Thanks, your observations are apreceated. However I'm happy with it as is now, it's a nice comprimise. I've uploaded ships_pure and ships_mid to the RTR.

If you wish to create a ships_orig then I'd include that in the entery as well, with the "exceptions" sections of the RT tweaked to better match the original.

[Wojowu]

Yes, I'd really appreciate that. Also, you should include that for 3 or more active neighbors wire stays intact

[unname66609]

For some reason, I am really interested in the oscillators in this rule. Here is a small p8:

Code: Select all

x = 3, y = 4, rule = WWEJ3
.P$.B$C.J$.C!

And here is a naturally-appearing p6:

Code: Select all

x = 9, y = 6, rule = WWEJ3
3.BCIB.D$D.J2.C2.D$2.DOBD$2.D.P$5.3C$5.C.C!

I know that some of the cells are not necessary for the oscillator to function, but this was the form I found it in.

small p12:

Code: Select all

x = 4, y = 3, rule = WWEJ3
.2C$C2.J$.CB!

[PHPBB12345]

electron reflector based oscillators:

Code: Select all

x = 9, y = 9, rule = WWEJ3
3.3D$2.6C$DC.D4.C$DC.C.2C.C$2.3C.2C$3.B.2C$3.M2$3.C!

Code: Select all

x = 9, y = 9, rule = WWEJ3
2.2D$2.6C$DC6.C$DC.C.2C.C$2.3C.2C$3.B.2C$3.M2$3.D!

[gameoflifemaniac]

Can you post the rule table?

[MarkJ]

You can simply find it in the Rule table repository

[PHPBB12345]

Spiral growth:

Code: Select all

x = 5, y = 7, rule = WWEJ3
3C$C$3CBE$L3.E$B3.C$C3.C$2CE2B!

[Moosey]

Would it be possible to build a geminoid based on replicators?
Killing one half could look like this:

Code: Select all

x = 16, y = 54, rule = WWEJ3
.C.4C$.C4.C$.C4.C$.C4.C$.C4.C$.C4.C$.6C$6.C$6.C$6.C$6.C$6.C$6.C$.10C$
.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$16C$.C13.C$C.C12.C$3C$.C$.C$.C$.C
.AB2C$.C4.C$.A4.C$.B4.C$.C4.G$.C4.B$.3CGBC$6.C$6.C$6.C$6.C$6.C$6.N$.
10C$.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$.C8.C$16C$.C13.C$C.C12.C$3C$.C$.C$.
C!

though it would obviously be much larger.
Sorry about the necropost but this rule deserves more investigation.

There are infinitely many ships:

Code: Select all

x = 144, y = 232, rule = WWEJ3
72.O3.O$7.O3.O60.NO.ON$7.NO.ON59.H5.H$6.H5.H57.C.C.C.C.C$5.C.C.C.C.C
53.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$4.C.C.C.C.C.C.C49.C.C3.C3.C3.C$3.C3.C3.C3.C.C48.O2.C
.C.C.C.C.C.C$2.C.C.C.C.C.C.C2.O48.NOC.C$13.C.CON47.H2.O.O11.O$.O11.O.
O2.H45.C.N.N.NOC.C.C.C.CON$.NOC.C.C.C.CON.N.N.C43.C4.O.O2.C.C.C.C3.H$
H3.C.C.C.C2.O.O4.C41.C.C13.N.C.C$.C.C.N13.C.C39.C3.C13.C.C$2.C.C13.C
3.C37.C.C3.N.N$15.N.N3.C.C36.O.O2.C.C.C$14.C.C.C2.O.O36.N.NO2.C3.C$
13.C3.C2.ON.N35.H5.C.C.C$14.C.C.C5.H33.C.C.NO4.C$15.C4.ON.C.C31.C3.H$
22.H3.C29.C.C.C$23.C.C.C27.C3.C$24.C3.C25.C.C.C$25.C.C.C24.O2.C$26.C
2.O24.NOC$27.CON23.H$30.H21.C.N$29.N.C19.C$32.C17.C.C$31.C.C15.C3.C$
30.C3.C13.C.C3.N.N$27.N.N3.C.C12.O.O2.C.C$28.C.C2.O.O12.N.NO2.C$29.C
2.ON.N11.H5.C$30.C5.H9.C.C.NO$32.ON.C.C7.C3.H$34.H3.C5.C.C.C$35.C.C.C
2.O4.C$36.C5.NO2.C$37.C2.ON2.O$39.O.O2.NO$39.N3.H$36.C.H.H$35.C.C4.O.
O$34.C3.C3.N.NOC$35.C3.C.H2.O2.C$36.C.C.C.C.C.C$37.C3.C.C.C$42.C.C$
43.C4$37.C$38.C$37.C$36.C.C$37.C4$37.C$38.C$37.C$36.C.C$37.C4$37.C$
38.C$37.C$36.C.C$37.C4$37.C$38.C$37.C$36.C.C$37.C4$37.C$38.C$37.C$36.
C.C$37.C4$37.C$38.C$37.C$36.C.C$37.C4$37.C$38.C91.C3.C$37.C91.C.C.C.C
$36.C.C89.C3.H3.C$37.C89.C.CON.NOC.C$127.O.O2.C2.O.O$125.C.N.N.N.N.N.
N$124.C.H3.H3.H3.H$37.C85.C3.C.C.C.C.C.C.C$38.C83.C.C.C.C11.C$37.C87.
C13.N.C$36.C.C82.O2.C5.C.C7.C.C$37.C83.NO2.C.C.C.C.N5.C.C.C$120.H5.C.
C10.O2.C$119.C18.ONO$118.C.C18.O$37.C79.C3.N$38.C77.C.C$37.C81.C.N.N.
N.N$36.C.C76.O4.C.C3.C$37.C77.N3.C.C$114.H.H3.C$113.C3.NOC$112.C.C.H$
37.C73.C3.C$38.C71.C.C.C$37.C75.C$36.C.C70.O2.C$37.C71.NO$108.H$107.C
$106.C.C$37.C67.C3.N$38.C65.C.C$37.C69.C.N.N$36.C.C64.O4.C.C$37.C65.N
3.C.C$102.H.H3.C$101.C3.NOC$100.C.C.H$37.C61.C3.C$38.C59.C.C.C$37.C
63.C$36.C.C58.O2.C$37.C59.NO$96.H$95.C$94.C.C$37.C55.C3.N$38.C53.C.C$
37.C57.C.N.N$36.C.C52.O4.C.C$37.C53.N3.C.C$90.H.H3.C$89.C3.NOC$88.C.C
.H$37.C49.C3.C$38.C47.C.C.C$37.C51.C$36.C.C46.O2.C$37.C47.NO$84.H$83.
C$82.C.C$37.C43.C3.N$38.C41.C.C$37.C45.C.N.N$36.C.C40.O4.C.C$37.C41.N
3.C.C$78.H.H3.C$77.C3.NOC$76.C.C.H$37.C37.C3.C$38.C35.C.C.C$37.C39.C$
36.C.C34.O2.C$37.C35.NO$72.H$71.C$70.C.C$37.C31.C3.N$38.C29.C.C$37.C
33.C.N.N$36.C.C28.O4.C.C$37.C29.N3.C.C$66.H.H3.C$65.C3.NOC$64.C.C.H$
37.C25.C3.C$38.C23.C.C.C$37.C27.C$36.C.C22.O2.C$37.C23.NO$60.H$59.C$
58.C.C$37.C19.C3.N$38.C17.C.C$37.C21.C.N.N$36.C.C16.O4.C.C$37.C17.N3.
C.C$54.H.H3.C$53.C3.NOC$52.C.C.H$37.C13.C3.C$38.C11.C.C.C$37.C15.C$
36.C.C10.O2.C$37.C11.NO$48.H$47.C$46.C.C$37.C7.C3.N$38.C5.C.C$37.C9.C
.N.N$36.C.C4.O4.C.C$37.C5.N3.C.C$42.H.H3.C$37.N3.N3.NOC$36.C5.C.H$43.
C$42.C2$42.C$35.N7.C$42.C$41.C.C$39.O2.C.C$38.ONOC.C$39.O2.C$39.C.C$
40.C!

EDIT:
extend a wire while producing signals:

Code: Select all

x = 49, y = 37, rule = WWEJ3
28.6C$28.C4.C$27.DC4.C$27.DC3.3C$27.DC3.C.C$28.C4.C$28.C.2C.C$28.3C.
2C$28.C.2C.C$28.C4.C$27.DC4.C$27.DC4.C$27.DC4.C$27.DC4.C$27.DC4.C$27.
DC3.3C9.3C.C$27.DC3.C.C8.C$27.DC4.C8.C$28.C.2C.C.2C4.C$18.3C.3C.5C.4C
.4C$18.C.C.C.C.C3.2C3.2C2.C$18.C.C.C.C.C11.C$18.C.C.C.C.C10.C$18.C.C.
C.C.C9.C$18.C.C.C.C.C8.C$18.C.C.C.C.C7.C$18.C.C.C.C.C6.C$18.C.C.C.C.C
5.C$18.C.C.C.C.C4.C$18.C.C.C.C.C3.C$17.DC.C.C.3C2.C$17.DC.C.C5.C$17.D
C.3C4.C$17.DC7.C$.9D.2C5.C2.2C2.C$A11C.9C.2C$11.2C8.2C!

EDIT:
ships are extensible in multiple ways:

Code: Select all

x = 241, y = 4, rule = WWEJ3
3.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C7.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C
3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C3.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C5.C3.C
5.C3.C$2.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.
C3.C.H.H.C5.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H
.H.C3.C.H.H.C.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C3.C
.H.H.C3.C.H.H.C$.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N
3.C.C3.N3.C3.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.
C3.N3.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C.C3.N3.C
$C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C.C5.C.C.C
5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C
5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C.C5.C.C!