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Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby AforAmpere » January 1st, 2019, 11:17 pm

This is a thread to post whatever requests you have for searches (using search programs) in any rule. An example request would be something along the lines of: "Can someone please search for a (11,1)c/13 with LLS?" or "Can someone run a width 14 even-symmetry gfind search in Morley for C/8?" This is a place to put those requests.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby LaundryPizza03 » May 9th, 2019, 10:35 am

It is quite unfortunate that no one used this thread until now.

Anyway, I am looking for a spaceship in B1e2ci3ejkqy4aceiqrt5ceiy6ckn78/S012ckn3ceiy4ceinrtw5-jnqr6-a78, the rule emulated by 2-generation steps of Margolus in B03/S5. I don't care what speed or search program you use, but c orthogonal seems most likely.

x = 17, y = 10, rule = B1e2ci3ejkqy4aceiqrt5ceiy6ckn78/S012ckn3ceiy4ceinrtw5-jnqr6-a78
7bo$8bo4b4o$2b2o3bob2o3bo$2b2o5bo3$2b2o$b2obo7bobo$o12bo$13bo!
[[ STOP 100 ]]

x = 34, y = 20, rule = B03/S5
14b2o$14b2o$16b2o8b8o$16b2o8b8o$4b4o6b2o2b4o6b2o$4b4o6b2o2b4o6b2o$4b4o
10b2o$4b4o10b2o5$4b4o$4b4o$2b4o2b2o14b2o2b2o$2b4o2b2o14b2o2b2o$2o24b2o
$2o24b2o$26b2o$26b2o!
[[ STOP 200 STEP 2 ]]
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!

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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby fluffykitty » May 9th, 2019, 2:08 pm

As an alternating BCC rule (calling them Margolus rules is not very correct since the actual Margolus rulespace is somewhat more diverse), it's 12p4|2o4. (2p is ob$bo, 2o is 2b$2o)
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby Hunting » May 10th, 2019, 3:24 am

Sorry for self-promoting, but anyone want to spend their spare CPU time and search c/3 in Breps-2?
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x = 4, y = 6, rule = B2e3i4at/S1c23cijn4a
o2bo$4o3$4o$o2bo!
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby LaundryPizza03 » May 11th, 2019, 1:23 am

fluffykitty wrote:As an alternating BCC rule (calling them Margolus rules is not very correct since the actual Margolus rulespace is somewhat more diverse), it's 12p4|2o4. (2p is ob$bo, 2o is 2b$2o)


What does that mean?
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!

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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby fluffykitty » May 11th, 2019, 1:41 am

12p4=Birth on 1, 2 opposite, or 4 neighbors (B1c2a4wS3a4q8 with 2x2 block patterns) 2o4=Birth on 2 adjacent or 4 neighbors (B3iS5i8 with 2x2 block patterns) and the | indicates an alternating rule
However, I apparently missed the fact that both phases also have B3, so it should be 12p34|2o34 (with B5aS6a7c added to the above Moore rulestrings)
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby Moosey » May 12th, 2019, 8:19 am

Can someone run ntzfind or something on Immortalife?
Prioritize speeds c/10, c/3, c/4, c/11, c/12
B3-cqy4j/S2-n34i

I found a few horrible c/10, c/12 partials
x = 7, y = 14, rule = B3-cqy4j/S2-n34i
b2o2b2o$o2bob2o$b2o2b2o9$b2o2bo$o2bobo$b2o2bo!
#C[[ T 10 PAUSE 1 T 12 PAUSE 1 ]]

Also see c/11 partial
x = 7, y = 3, rule = B3-cqy4j/S2-n34i
b2o3bo$o2bob2o$b2o3bo!
#C[[ T 11 PAUSE 1 ]]



But honestly look for other speeds too
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby Sarp » May 12th, 2019, 11:30 am

Can anybody find a c/2 in b2c3-js23?
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby Ian07 » May 12th, 2019, 12:11 pm

Moosey wrote:Can someone run ntzfind or something on Immortalife?
Prioritize speeds c/10, c/3, c/4, c/11, c/12
...
But honestly look for other speeds too

Some c/3s and c/4s:
x = 92, y = 23, rule = B3-cqy4j/S2-n34i
3bo11bo$3b2o9b2o14bo14bo21bo$3bob2o5b2obo14b2o5b2o5b2o16bo4bo10bo3bo3b
o3bo$2bo2bob2ob2obo2bo13bob2obob2obob2obo15b3o2bobo9bo3bo3bo3bo$2o2bo
3bobo3bo2b2o10bo2bo2bo4bo2bo2bo14b3o13bobobobobobobobo$7b2ob2o15b2o2bo
2b2o4b2o2bo2b2o$o6b2ob2o6bo16bo4bo22b4o10bobobobobobobobo$obo3bo5bo3bo
bo8bo7bo4bo7bo13bo2bo11bo5bobo5bo$6bo5bo14bobo16bobo12bo16b2ob2o3b2ob
2o$5b2o5b2o47bo5bo11bobo5bobo$6bo5bo48bo2bo2bo11bob2o3b2obo$6bo5bo48bo
4bobo11b2o5b2o$81b3ob3o$64bobo15b2ob2o$63bo2bo$63bo2bo$62bo3bo$62bo2bo
$61bo4bo2$61bo4bo$61b6o$61b2o2b2o!


Additionally, some more exotic c/2s of various periods:
x = 219, y = 31, rule = B3-cqy4j/S2-n34i
2bo6bo11bo3bo5bo3bo11bo3bo3bo3bo10bo7bo10bo3bo9bo3bo3bo12bo3bo3bo11bo
3bo10bo3bo3bo3bo10bo3bo6bo3bo10bo3bo3bo$b3o4b3o9b3ob3o3b3ob3o9b3ob3ob
3ob3o8b3o5b3o8b3ob3o7b3ob3ob3o10b3ob3ob3o9b3ob3o8b3ob3ob3ob3o8b3ob3ob
2ob3ob3o8b3ob3ob3o$o2b2o2b2o2bo8bobobobo3bobobobo9bobobobobobobobo7bo
2b2o3b2o2bo7bobobobo7bobobobobobo10bobobobobobo9bobobobo8bobobobobobob
obo8bobobo3b2o3bobobo8bobobobobobo$4bo2bo11b2obobob2ob2obobob2o7b2obob
o5bobob2o6b2o2bo3bo2b2o6b2obobob2o5b2obobobobob2o8b2obobobobob2o7b2obo
bob2o6b2obobo5bobob2o6b2o5bob2obo5b2o6b2obo5bob2o$2ob2o2b2ob2o7bo2bobo
7bobo2bo10bo2bo3bo2bo12b2o3b2o9bo2bobo2bo5bo2bobobobo2bo8bo2bobobobo2b
o7bo2bobo12bo2bo3bo2bo12bo3b2o2b2o3bo12bo5bo$25bo5bo16bo9bo11bobo3bobo
27bobo18bobo18bo11bo9bo11b3obo2b2o2bob3o10bo7bo$18b2ob2o11b2ob2o8bo11b
o7b2ob2o5b2ob2o4b2ob2ob2ob2o3b2ob2obobob2ob2o6b2ob2obobob2ob2o5b2ob2o
36bobobobo2bobobobo$47bo11bo10bo7bo27bobo18bobo54bobo6bobo$47bo11bo10b
2o5b2o24bo2bobo2bo10bo11bo49bo10bo$47bo3bo3bo3bo10b2o5b2o23bobobobobob
o9bob3o3b3obo48bobob6obobo$47bo3bo3bo3bo10b3o3b3o22bo4bobo4bo10b3o3b3o
50bob2ob4ob2obo$47bo11bo10b3o3b3o22b2o2b2ob2o2b2o9b2o7b2o51bob2o2b2obo
$48bobo5bobo11b2o5b2o23b2ob2ob2ob2o69bo2bo8bo2bo$103bo3bo3bo69b3o2bo6b
o2b3o$100b3o9b3o66bobo12bobo$101bo11bo66b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o$100b2o11b2o66b
obobo2bo2bo2bobobo$100b3o9b3o65bobob2o8b2obobo$181bobobob2o2b2obobobo$
182bo2bo8bo2bo$185b2o6b2o$181b2obobo6bobob2o$184bo10bo$182bob2o8b2obo$
184b2o8b2o$181b2o14b2o$180bo18bo$180b2o3b3o4b3o3b2o$181b5obo4bob5o$
180b2o2bo10bo2b2o$183b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o!


EDIT: Removed unnecessary ship in the center of the second collection (thanks fluffykitty)
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby fluffykitty » May 12th, 2019, 2:03 pm

The middle ship in the second collection has an unnecessary 2c/4 in the back
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby Moosey » May 12th, 2019, 2:29 pm

Thanks!
By the way, some of those were pairs of non-interacting ships.
Here's the collection of ships:
x = 306, y = 141, rule = B3-cqy4j/S2-n34i
89b3o$89bobo2$88b2ob2o8$77b2o9b3o5b3o4b3o8bo5bo$77bobo8bo2bo4bo2bo3bo
2bo6b3o3b3o11b3o4bo12b3o4bo$77bo10bo7bo6bo8b2obo3bob2o10bo2bo2b3o11bo
2bo2b3o$88bo7bo6bo29bo4b2obo11bo4b2obo$89bo6bo6bo29bo3b4o12bo3b4o$97bo
5bo29bo5b2o12bo3bob2o$104bo29bobo16bo$154bobo30$58b3o28bo6bo11bo3bo21b
o3bo3bo3bo10bo18bo3bo9bo3bo3bo12bo3bo3bo11bo3bo10bo3bo3bo3bo10bo3bo6bo
3bo10bo3bo3bo$58bo29b3o4b3o9b3ob3o19b3ob3ob3ob3o8b3o16b3ob3o7b3ob3ob3o
10b3ob3ob3o9b3ob3o8b3ob3ob3ob3o8b3ob3ob2ob3ob3o8b3ob3ob3o$58bo28bo2b2o
2b2o2bo8bobobobo19bobobobobobobobo7bo2b2o15bobobobo7bobobobobobo10bobo
bobobobo9bobobobo8bobobobobobobobo8bobobo3b2o3bobobo8bobobobobobo$58bo
32bo2bo11b2obobob2o17b2obobo5bobob2o6b2o2bo14b2obobob2o5b2obobobobob2o
8b2obobobobob2o7b2obobob2o6b2obobo5bobob2o6b2o5bob2obo5b2o6b2obo5bob2o
$58bo28b2ob2o2b2ob2o7bo2bobo23bo2bo3bo2bo12b2o14bo2bobo2bo5bo2bobobobo
2bo8bo2bobobobo2bo7bo2bobo12bo2bo3bo2bo12bo3b2o2b2o3bo12bo5bo$58bo53bo
22bo9bo11bobo33bobo18bobo18bo11bo9bo11b3obo2b2o2bob3o10bo7bo$58bo46b2o
b2o24bo11bo7b2ob2o14b2ob2ob2ob2o3b2ob2obobob2ob2o6b2ob2obobob2ob2o5b2o
b2o36bobobobo2bobobobo$58bo75bo11bo10bo35bobo18bobo54bobo6bobo$58bo75b
o11bo10b2o31bo2bobo2bo10bo11bo49bo10bo$58bo75bo3bo3bo3bo10b2o30bobobob
obobo9bob3o3b3obo48bobob6obobo$58bo75bo3bo3bo3bo10b3o28bo4bobo4bo10b3o
3b3o50bob2ob4ob2obo$58bo75bo11bo10b3o28b2o2b2ob2o2b2o9b2o7b2o51bob2o2b
2obo$58bo76bobo5bobo11b2o30b2ob2ob2ob2o69bo2bo8bo2bo$58bo131bo3bo3bo
69b3o2bo6bo2b3o$58bo128b3o9b3o66bobo12bobo$58bo129bo11bo66b2o4b2o4b2o
4b2o$58bo128b2o11b2o66bobobo2bo2bo2bobobo$58bo128b3o9b3o65bobob2o8b2ob
obo$58bo209bobobob2o2b2obobobo$58bo210bo2bo8bo2bo$58bo213b2o6b2o$58bo
209b2obobo6bobob2o$58bo212bo10bo$58bo210bob2o8b2obo$58bo212b2o8b2o$58b
o209b2o14b2o$58bo208bo18bo$58bo208b2o3b3o4b3o3b2o$58bo209b5obo4bob5o$
58bo208b2o2bo10bo2b2o$58bo211b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$
58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo68bo11bo$58bo68b2o9b2o14bo14bo$3ob3obo2bob3ob
3o38bo68bob2o5b2obo14b2o5b2o5b2o$bo2bobob2obobobo3bo38bo67bo2bob2ob2ob
o2bo13bob2obob2obob2obo$bo2b3obob2obobo3bo38bo65b2o2bo3bobo3bo2b2o10bo
2bo2bo4bo2bo2bo$bo2bobobo2bobobo3bo38bo72b2ob2o15b2o2bo2b2o4b2o2bo2b2o
$3obobobo2bob3o3bo38bo65bo6b2ob2o6bo16bo4bo$57b2o65bobo3bo5bo3bobo8bo
7bo4bo7bo$58bo71bo5bo14bobo16bobo$58bo70b2o5b2o$58bo71bo5bo$58bo71bo5b
o$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58b
o$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo74bo$58bo69bo4bo10bo3bo3bo3bo$58bo68b3o
2bobo9bo3bo3bo3bo$58bo68b3o13bobobobobobobobo$58bo$58bo70b4o10bobobobo
bobobobo$58bo69bo2bo11bo5bobo5bo$58bo68bo16b2ob2o3b2ob2o$58bo68bo5bo
11bobo5bobo$58bo68bo2bo2bo11bob2o3b2obo$58bo68bo4bobo11b2o5b2o$58bo88b
3ob3o$58bo71bobo15b2ob2o$58bo70bo2bo$58bo70bo2bo$58bo69bo3bo$58bo69bo
2bo$58bo68bo4bo$58bo$58bo68bo4bo$58bo68b6o$58b2o67b2o2b2o!


I should probably just make a new thread for this rule instead of cluttering a bunch of OCA threads.

EDIT:
updated:
x = 306, y = 141, rule = B3-cqy4j/S2-n34i
89b3o$89bobo2$88b2ob2o8$77b2o9b3o5b3o4b3o8bo5bo$77bobo8bo2bo4bo2bo3bo
2bo6b3o3b3o11b3o4bo12b3o4bo$77bo10bo7bo6bo8b2obo3bob2o10bo2bo2b3o11bo
2bo2b3o$88bo7bo6bo29bo4b2obo11bo4b2obo$89bo6bo6bo29bo3b4o12bo3b4o$97bo
5bo29bo5b2o12bo3bob2o$104bo29bobo16bo$154bobo30$58b3o28bo6bo11bo3bo21b
o3bo3bo3bo10bo18bo3bo9bo3bo3bo12bo3bo3bo11bo3bo10bo3bo3bo3bo10bo3bo6bo
3bo10bo3bo3bo$58bo29b3o4b3o9b3ob3o19b3ob3ob3ob3o8b3o16b3ob3o7b3ob3ob3o
10b3ob3ob3o9b3ob3o8b3ob3ob3ob3o8b3ob3ob2ob3ob3o8b3ob3ob3o$58bo28bo2b2o
2b2o2bo8bobobobo19bobobobobobobobo7bo2b2o15bobobobo7bobobobobobo10bobo
bobobobo9bobobobo8bobobobobobobobo8bobobo3b2o3bobobo8bobobobobobo$58bo
32bo2bo11b2obobob2o17b2obobo5bobob2o6b2o2bo14b2obobob2o5b2obobobobob2o
8b2obobobobob2o7b2obobob2o6b2obobo5bobob2o6b2o5bob2obo5b2o6b2obo5bob2o
$58bo28b2ob2o2b2ob2o7bo2bobo23bo2bo3bo2bo12b2o14bo2bobo2bo5bo2bobobobo
2bo8bo2bobobobo2bo7bo2bobo12bo2bo3bo2bo12bo3b2o2b2o3bo12bo5bo$58bo53bo
22bo9bo11bobo33bobo18bobo18bo11bo9bo11b3obo2b2o2bob3o10bo7bo$58bo46b2o
b2o24bo11bo7b2ob2o14b2ob2ob2ob2o3b2ob2obobob2ob2o6b2ob2obobob2ob2o5b2o
b2o36bobobobo2bobobobo$58bo75bo11bo10bo35bobo18bobo54bobo6bobo$58bo75b
o11bo10b2o31bo2bobo2bo10bo11bo49bo10bo$58bo75bo3bo3bo3bo10b2o30bobobob
obobo9bob3o3b3obo48bobob6obobo$58bo75bo3bo3bo3bo10b3o28bo4bobo4bo10b3o
3b3o50bob2ob4ob2obo$58bo75bo11bo10b3o28b2o2b2ob2o2b2o9b2o7b2o51bob2o2b
2obo$58bo76bobo5bobo11b2o30b2ob2ob2ob2o69bo2bo8bo2bo$58bo131bo3bo3bo
69b3o2bo6bo2b3o$58bo128b3o9b3o66bobo12bobo$58bo78bo3bo3bo3bo11bo26bo
11bo66b2o4b2o4b2o4b2o$58bo77b3ob3ob3ob3o9b3o10bo13b2o11b2o66bobobo2bo
2bo2bobobo$58bo77bobobobobobobobo8bo2b2o8b3o12b3o9b3o65bobob2o8b2obobo
$58bo76b2obobo5bobob2o7b2o2bo7bo2b2o92bobobob2o2b2obobobo$58bo79bo2bo
3bo2bo13b2o7b2o2bo93bo2bo8bo2bo$58bo79bo9bo12bobo10b2o96b2o6b2o$58bo
78bo11bo8b2ob2o10bobo92b2obobo6bobob2o$58bo78bo11bo11bo8b2ob2o96bo10bo
$58bo78bo11bo11b2o10bo95bob2o8b2obo$58bo78bo3bo7bo11b2o10b2o96b2o8b2o$
58bo78bo8bobo12b3o9b2o93b2o14b2o$58bo79bobo20b3o9b3o91bo18bo$58bo102b
3o9b3o91b2o3b3o4b3o3b2o$58bo102b2o10b3o92b5obo4bob5o$58bo114b3o91b2o2b
o10bo2b2o$58bo114b2o95b2o2b2o2b2o2b2o$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$
58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo68bo11bo$58bo68b2o9b2o14bo14bo$3ob3obo2bob3ob3o38bo
68bob2o5b2obo14b2o5b2o5b2o$bo2bobob2obobobo3bo38bo67bo2bob2ob2obo2bo
13bob2obob2obob2obo$bo2b3obob2obobo3bo38bo65b2o2bo3bobo3bo2b2o10bo2bo
2bo4bo2bo2bo$bo2bobobo2bobobo3bo38bo72b2ob2o15b2o2bo2b2o4b2o2bo2b2o$3o
bobobo2bob3o3bo38bo65bo6b2ob2o6bo16bo4bo$57b2o65bobo3bo5bo3bobo8bo7bo
4bo7bo$58bo71bo5bo14bobo16bobo$58bo70b2o5b2o$58bo71bo5bo$58bo71bo5bo$
58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$
58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo$58bo74bo$58bo69bo4bo10bo3bo3bo3bo$58bo68b3o2b
obo9bo3bo3bo3bo$58bo68b3o13bobobobobobobobo$58bo$58bo70b4o10bobobobobo
bobobo$58bo69bo2bo11bo5bobo5bo$58bo68bo16b2ob2o3b2ob2o$58bo68bo5bo11bo
bo5bobo$58bo68bo2bo2bo11bob2o3b2obo$58bo68bo4bobo11b2o5b2o$58bo88b3ob
3o$58bo71bobo15b2ob2o$58bo70bo2bo$58bo70bo2bo$58bo69bo3bo$58bo69bo2bo$
58bo68bo4bo$58bo$58bo68bo4bo$58bo68b6o$58b2o67b2o2b2o!


Admittedly I found some things in the Ian07 collection but they were implied by the post so...
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby LaundryPizza03 » May 23rd, 2019, 12:55 am

Some c/3 frontend to turn this into a tethered rake:
x = 7, y = 35, rule = B2ce3e4n5i/S12aci3er4et
6bo$4bobo$2bobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obob
obo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$ob
obobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$
obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$obobobo$o3bobo$4bobo$6bo$6bo!
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!

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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby LaundryPizza03 » June 22nd, 2019, 2:11 am

A while ago, there was an attempt at 5s to find a 9c/10 orthogonal ship. Attached is the longest partial found, by wildmyron (See original thread). I think that running ntzfind in the rule may complete this partial. (It is symmetrical with width 21.)
x = 12, y = 21, rule = B2acn3aenr4-cinq5aek6cin7e8/S12i3-cnr4kqwy5ckny6-e78
bo$2o4b5o$2obo2bo3bo$b4o3bob2o$o2bo4bo2bo$2obo2bobo$b2o3b2obobo$b2ob2o
$bo4bo4bo$o3bo4bo$obo2bob2ob2o$o3bo4bo$bo4bo4bo$b2ob2o$b2o3b2obobo$2ob
o2bobo$o2bo4bo2bo$b4o3bob2o$2obo2bo3bo$2o4b5o$bo!
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
2b2o$b2o$2o!

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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby LaundryPizza03 » June 22nd, 2019, 8:31 am

Sarp wrote:Can anybody find a c/2 in b2c3-js23?

There is none at minimum period within a 20*19 bounding box, if LLS is working correctly. The fact that it reached this conclusion so quickly suggests that this will be extremely hard. Try ntzfind.
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby wildmyron » June 22nd, 2019, 9:49 am

LaundryPizza03 wrote:
Sarp wrote:Can anybody find a c/2 in b2c3-js23?

There is none at minimum period within a 20*19 bounding box, if LLS is working correctly. The fact that it reached this conclusion so quickly suggests that this will be extremely hard. Try ntzfind.

I think I had a go at this a while ago and reached a similar conclusion. I had another attempt with ntzfind and didn't find anything at width 11 with bilateral symmetry for p4. Some of the partials suggest to me that the speed is allowed in this rule, just any such ship will be rather large. In addition there's this tiny c/2 in a nearby rule with B5i and S5y.
x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2c3-j5i/S2aen3aejk5y
2o$o$2o!


LaundryPizza03 wrote:A while ago, there was an attempt at 5s to find a 9c/10 orthogonal ship. Attached is the longest partial found, by wildmyron (See original thread). I think that running ntzfind in the rule may complete this partial. (It is symmetrical with width 21.)
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That's a good idea, but unfortunately ntzfind doesn't work at that speed. I'm not sure what the limits actually are - I thought it was c/2, but a bit of experimentation shows that it works (at least in some cases) for 3c/4, 3c/5, 4c/6, 5c/8, 6c/10.
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby LaundryPizza03 » June 22nd, 2019, 2:40 pm

wildmyron wrote:
LaundryPizza03 wrote:A while ago, there was an attempt at 5s to find a 9c/10 orthogonal ship. Attached is the longest partial found, by wildmyron (See original thread). I think that running ntzfind in the rule may complete this partial. (It is symmetrical with width 21.)
<snip rle>

That's a good idea, but unfortunately ntzfind doesn't work at that speed. I'm not sure what the limits actually are - I thought it was c/2, but a bit of experimentation shows that it works (at least in some cases) for 3c/4, 3c/5, 4c/6, 5c/8, 6c/10.

If ntzfind doesn't work, then what does?
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3-q4z5y/S234k5j
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby AforAmpere » June 22nd, 2019, 3:32 pm

Possibly the non-totalistic version of gfind may work, but I don't trust it is reliable at high velocities.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Requests for Searches - Non-apgsearch

Postby wildmyron » June 24th, 2019, 4:54 am

I'm not sure about the correctness either, but gfind does seem to work for speeds between c/2 and c. At light speed gfind can only find p1 photons. I ran a gfind search for 9c/10 in B2acn3aenr4-cinq5aek6cin7e8/S12i3-cnr4kqwy5ckny6-e78. The search tree seems to just completely peter out beyond about 7 rows, by which I mean that increasing the search width (up to the maximum of a full width of 55) results in almost no increase to the maximum depth reached (which was about 70, or 7 rows).

To find such a ship I can see two possibilities:
1) Scan the rulespace where this frontend works and hope that a gfind search in one of those candidate rules turns up a result. This would require a bit of work to polish ntgfind to a point where it can be programmatically run without being manually built for every rule (and also adapting the get_all_iso_rules script to ignore the chaos at the back of the ship).
2) Adapt LLS to simplify iterated searching for successively longer partials (a bit like ikpx, but not so rigid).

wildmyron wrote:
LaundryPizza03 wrote:
Sarp wrote:Can anybody find a c/2 in b2c3-js23?

There is none at minimum period within a 20*19 bounding box, if LLS is working correctly. The fact that it reached this conclusion so quickly suggests that this will be extremely hard. Try ntzfind.

I think I had a go at this a while ago and reached a similar conclusion. I had another attempt with ntzfind and didn't find anything at width 11 with bilateral symmetry for p4. Some of the partials suggest to me that the speed is allowed in this rule, just any such ship will be rather large.

I'm currently running a gfind search for c/2, p4 with odd symmetry at width 37, which I expect will run overnight. The width 35 search was unsuccessful, but did find partials of length 45 rows (depth 180). I didn't save partials for that search but I am for the current search, so if there's no ship then there will at least be a long partial.
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