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Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2018, 12:48 am
by Hunting
What is the systematic name for this?
x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2o$obobo$3b2o2bo$5b3o$3b2o$2bo2b3o$2b2o3bo!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2018, 2:06 am
by KittyTac
Hunting wrote:What is the systematic name for this?
x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2o$obobo$3b2o2bo$5b3o$3b2o$2bo2b3o$2b2o3bo!

Long snake tie hook with two tails.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2018, 4:31 am
by Hunting
KittyTac, what's the sys name for this?
x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2o4bo$o4bobo$2bobobo$b2obo$2bobo$obobob2o$2o3bobo!

also, synthesis that by using converters, please.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 2nd, 2018, 10:19 pm
by wwei23
Hunting wrote:KittyTac, what's the sys name for this?
x = 8, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2o4bo$o4bobo$2bobobo$b2obo$2bobo$obobob2o$2o3bobo!

also, synthesis that by using converters, please.

(Aircraft carrier siamese bookend) on ((claw with tail) weld (tub with tail))

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
by Sarp
Lom eating a pre-blinker
x = 7, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$b2o$4b2o$3b3o5$b3o$bobo$o2bo$obo$3o!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 9th, 2018, 8:12 am
by Sarp
Systematic name of this?
x = 7, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$o2bo$2obob2o$bobobo$bobobo$2obob2o$o2bo$bobo$2bo!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 9th, 2018, 8:35 am
by KittyTac
Sarp wrote:Systematic name of this?
x = 7, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2bo$bobo$o2bo$2obob2o$bobobo$bobobo$2obob2o$o2bo$bobo$2bo!

(Loaf weld table weld loaf) on table.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 23rd, 2018, 8:57 pm
by wwei23
x=8, y=8, rule=B3/S23
bboo$bbbo$obbo$ooo$bbbbbooo$bbbbobbo$bbbbobbb$bbbboo!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 26th, 2018, 1:29 pm
by Gamedziner
x = 61, y = 51, rule = Life
58b3o$58bobo$58bobo46$3o$2bo$bo!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: September 30th, 2018, 8:27 am
by Sarp
x = 24, y = 212, rule = B3/S23:T24,0
19$2bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$bobobobobobobobobobobobo$
bobobobobobobobobobobobo$b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2o2$3bo5bo5bo5bo$2bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$bo3bobo
3bobo3bobo3bo$b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o5$b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$bobob
obobobobobobobobobo$bobobobobobobobobobobobo$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o2$2b3o3b
3o3b3o3b3o$bobobobobobobobobobobobo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$b2ob2ob2ob2ob
2ob2ob2ob2o2$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo5bo5bo5bo$3bo5bo5bo5bo4$3bo5bo5bo5bo$
2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o4$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$
3bo5bo5bo5bo9$3bo5bo5bo5bo$3bo5bo5bo5bo2$2bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$bobobobo
bobobobobobobobo3$b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o13$3bo5bo5bo5bo$2b3o3b3o3b3o
3b3o$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o4$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o$3bo5bo5bo5bo
3$3bo5bo5bo5bo$2bobo3bobo3bobo3bobo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$bo3bobo3bobo
3bobo3bo$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo4$bo3bobo3bobo3bobo3bo$2b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o6$
4bo3bo7bo3bo$3bo5bo5bo5bo$4bo3bo7bo3bo2$o11bo$o11bo$2bo7bo3bo7bo$2b2o
5b2o3b2o5b2o$bobo5bobobobo5bobo$2b2o5b2o3b2o5b2o$2bo7bo3bo7bo9$b2o7b2o
b2o7b2o$2bo7bo3bo7bo$2o9b3o9bo$o11bo5$2bo7bo3bo7bo$2bo7bo3bo7bo$2bo7bo
3bo7bo5$6bo11bo$o4b3o4bo4b3o$o2bo5bo2bo2bo5bo$obo7bobobo7bo$3bobobobo
5bobobobo$4b5o7b5o$5b3o9b3o$4bo3bo7bo3bo$3bo5bo5bo5bo$b5ob5ob5ob5o$b2o
2bobo2b2ob2o2bobo2b2o2$bobo5bobobobo5bobo$3bo5bo5bo5bo$bobo5bobobobo5b
obo2$5b3o9b3o2$4bo3bo7bo3bo$5b3o9b3o$o11bo$bo9bobo9bo$2ob2obob2ob3ob2o
bob2obo3$2o4bo4b3o4bo4bo$3b2o3b2o5b2o3b2o2$bo9bobo9bo$3b7o5b7o4$24o!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 1st, 2018, 6:41 am
by danny
Sarp wrote:
rl(stin)e

Why is autofit behaving weirdly on this?

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 1st, 2018, 1:36 pm
by BlinkerSpawn
danny wrote:
Sarp wrote:
rl(stin)e

Why is autofit behaving weirdly on this?

IIRC, AutoFit by default uses the pattern envelope, not the pattern.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 2nd, 2018, 10:55 pm
by 77topaz
danny wrote:Why is autofit behaving weirdly on this?


I don't know exactly what it is, but I suspect it has to do with the pattern running on a partially-bounded (cylindrical) grid; you could submit it as a bug to the developers.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 5th, 2018, 5:18 am
by Redstoneboi
BinkerSpawn wrote:
danny wrote:Why is autofit behaving weirdly on this?

IIRC, AutoFit by default uses the pattern envelope, not the pattern.

nope,
#C[[ AUTOFIT ]]
x = 3, y = 3, rule = Life
.A$2.A$3A!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 18th, 2018, 3:14 pm
by cvojan
Utterly useless Eater 2 variants
x = 87, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
46.A.A$40.A.A.A5.A$38.A13.A$36.A11.A5.A$47.A.A6.A$4.A.A.A.A.A.A3.A.A.
A.A.A.A.A3.A12.A.A$32.A13.2A.2A6.A$2.A13.A$5.2A25.A13.2A.2A6.A$A4.A6.
A3.A10.A17.A.A.2A9.A.A.A$6.A3.3A12.3A5.A11.A12.A7.A.A.A$A6.A.A6.A5.A.
A18.3A26.A$6.2A.2A9.3A.2A7.A6.A.A9.3A2.A16.A$A15.A2.A18.3A.2A8.A12.A
10.A$6.2A.2A9.3A.2A7.A3.A15.A12.A$A4.A.A.2A6.A4.A.2A12.3A.2A12.A7.3A
11.A$5.A28.A5.A.2A30.2A$A3.2A13.A35.A18.A5.A$34.A23.A10.2A.A.A$A12.3A
3.A9.3A5.A8.3A4.A5.A9.2A.2A8.A$13.A15.A4.A4.A.A4.A10.3A19.A$A13.A4.A
10.A12.A3.A4.A16.2A.2A3.3A4.A$22.A10.A2.A13.A19.A.A.A.A$.A.A.A.A.A.A
5.A2.A3.A17.A3.A6.A15.A3.2A.2A7.A$13.A.A6.A3.A.A.A.A4.A5.A3.A.A13.2A.
A.A$A40.3A11.A7.2A.2A5.2A.2A8.A$11.A10.A15.A33.A.A.2A$A5.2A2.A.A21.2A
16.2A3.A5.2A.2A3.A14.A$6.A3.A.A9.A12.A2.A13.A11.A.A.A.A$A6.4A.2A17.A.
A13.2A.A.A5.A2.3A3.2A.2A14.A$22.A6.3A.2A4.A7.2A.2A9.A19.3A$A4.6A.2A
14.A26.2A10.2A.2A9.A$4.A5.A.2A8.A6.3A.2A5.A6.2A.2A4.A2.A6.A.A.2A10.A
3.A$A4.3A23.A.2A13.A.A.A.A11.A$8.A13.A19.A3.A4.2A.2A3.A5.2A$.A5.2A37.
2A37.A$17.3A2.A19.A8.2A.2A4.A$3.A13.A19.3A10.A.A.2A20.3A4.A$18.A5.A.A
.A8.A4.A7.A11.A.A11.A$5.A24.A7.A10.2A15.A10.A4.A$7.A.A.A.A.A5.A10.A.A
7.A$17.A.A16.A31.A11.A$40.A2.A15.3A2.A5.A7.A$38.A6.A.A.A.A.A5.A12.A.A
.A$55.A4.A$57.A5.A2$59.A.A!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 19th, 2018, 12:13 pm
by cvojan
Parent of "Bunnies:"
x = 9, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$o$6b3o$2b3o$7bo$3bo!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 19th, 2018, 1:44 pm
by BlinkerSpawn
cvojan wrote:Parent of "Bunnies:"
x = 9, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$o$6b3o$2b3o$7bo$3bo!

Smaller but equivalent:
x = 9, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
2o2$o5b3o$2b3o$7bo$3bo!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: October 19th, 2018, 4:30 pm
by cvojan
Found a partial of the grandparent of Bunnies.
It would be awesome if someone built the northeastern part of it, if possible:
x = 7, y = 6, rule = B3/S23
5bo$bo3bo$bo3bo$bo$4bobo$obo!

EDIT: nvm I found a part. Try to improve it if u want
x = 10, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
2b2o2$2o6bo$4bo3bo$o3bo3bo$4bo$7bobo$3bobo!

we need a thread for finding parents of methuselahs

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: December 3rd, 2018, 4:14 pm
by muzik
Dodecomino eater
x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
o10bo$3o6b3o$3bo4bo$2b2o4b2o2$4b4o$2b8o4$5b2o$5b2o!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: December 9th, 2018, 2:24 pm
by PushDecimal
cvojan wrote:Utterly useless Eater 2 variants
x = 87, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
...

7 ways to join two eater 2s:
x = 59, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
27.2A.2A22.2A$28.A.A24.A$2C.C2.A4.2C.C2.C.2C2.2C.C.A.A.C.2C2.2C.C8.2C
.C$2C.3CA4.2C.4C.2C2.2C.2CD.D2C.2C2.2C.3C6.2C.2CD$6.D2A5.D2.D11.D12.D
.C11.D$2C.2CD.C3.2C.4C.2C2.2C.2CD.D2C.2C2.2C.2CDC5.2C.2CD$.C.C.C.C4.C
.C2.C.C4.C.C5.C.C4.CD2C.2C2.A2.C.C.D.2A$.C.D2C.2C3.C.C2.C.C4.C.C5.C.C
4.C.D6.2A.D.C.C2.A$2AD10.C4.C6.C7.C6.3C.2C5.D2C.2C$2.A3C.2C33.C.2C4.D
$2.A2.C.2C42.D2C.2C$53.C.2C$51.A$51.2A3$15.2A$2C.C2.A3.2C.C2.A$2C.3CA
3.2C.3C$6.D9.D$2CD2CD4.2C.3C2.D.2A$.C.C7.C.C2.AD.D.A$.C.C5.A.D.DA2.C.
C$2CD2CD3.2A.D2.3C.2C$6.D7.D$2C.3CA8.3C.2C$2C.C2.A7.A2.C.2C$14.2A!

The marked cells indicate where two regular eater 2s would intersect.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: December 10th, 2018, 6:16 pm
by simeks
Near miss:

x = 23, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
11.2C$2.A8.C2.2C$3.A8.2C.C$.3A3$21.2C$20.C.C$21.C10$21.2C$2C19.2C$2C
6$2.2C$2.2C2$18.2C$18.C$19.3C$21.C$12.2C$12.C$13.3C$15.C!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: December 18th, 2018, 11:10 am
by PushDecimal
Almost-agar:
x = 100, y = 100, rule = B3/S23
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4b
o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2b
o4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4b
o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4b
o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2b
o4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4b
o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$
o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2b
o4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4b
o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2b
o4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o
5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2b
o4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo
4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2b
o4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b
3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5$3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o5b3o$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo
2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4b
o2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo4bo2bo$b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o5b3o
5b3o!
[[ THEME 2 GPS 8 Z 12 GRID PAUSE 2 "Almost-agar" T 15 PAUSE 2 "15 generations later" T 16 Z 3.2 THEME 1 GPS 60 ]]

Extreme blinker arrangement:
x = 25, y = 9, rule = B3i4ant5eijnr6c/S2i3ir4eiz5i
11bo9bo$11bo9bo$11bo4bo4bo$o11b3obob3ob3o$o5bo9bo4bo$o4b3o5b3ob3obo$o
5bo9bo4bo$12b3obob3o$16bo!

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: December 23rd, 2018, 1:39 pm
by EvinZL
A for awesome wrote:
x = 192, y = 107, rule = B39/S23
o46$33bo$38bo59$191bo!

I think I win.


Simple p14 oscillator:
x=2, y=3, rule=B34y/S23-k5
b2o$3o$b2o!

Does this win? Simplest p14 ever.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: December 23rd, 2018, 4:57 pm
by calcyman
simeks wrote:Near miss:

x = 23, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
11.2C$2.A8.C2.2C$3.A8.2C.C$.3A3$21.2C$20.C.C$21.C10$21.2C$2C19.2C$2C
6$2.2C$2.2C2$18.2C$18.C$19.3C$21.C$12.2C$12.C$13.3C$15.C!


With LifeViewer's default colour scheme, this converts a white block into an Italian flag.

Re: Absolutely Useless Patterns Not Worthy Of Patterns Thread

PostPosted: December 23rd, 2018, 7:10 pm
by danny
Yes, but backwards.