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Re: The converter game

Postby muzik » June 14th, 2017, 2:41 pm

Something highly noobish since I'm not familiar with converters and the like:

x = 34, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
20bo11bo$21bo9bo$19b2o10b3o2$28bo$28bobo$28b2o4$22bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$
19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4b2o12bo$4o4b2ob2o3b3o$3ob2o2b2obobobo$
5bo7bobob2o$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b2o!
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Re: The converter game

Postby gmc_nxtman » June 14th, 2017, 3:43 pm

Just use this:

x = 27, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
24bo$24bobo$24b2o$22bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4b
2o12bo$4o4b2ob2o3b3o$3ob2o2b2obobobo$5bo7bobob2o$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$
10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b2o!
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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » June 14th, 2017, 6:01 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Just use this...

Hmm, I suppose that object technically hasn't been seen before, now that there's a blocker stuck on the block. But it does seem to run counter to the spirit-of-the-rules idea of "making progress".

(There are more rules in the first post than there used to be -- apparently there's no rule that you can't change the rules after you start the game...!)
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Re: The converter game

Postby gmc_nxtman » June 14th, 2017, 6:45 pm

dvgrn wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:Just use this...

Hmm, I suppose that object technically hasn't been seen before, now that there's a blocker stuck on the block. But it does seem to run counter to the spirit-of-the-rules idea of "making progress".

(There are more rules in the first post than there used to be -- apparently there's no rule that you can't change the rules after you start the game...!)


I guess it isn't really making progress, I was just pointing out a smaller method of muzik's component. However, I think something else should be used anyway, as it is pretty counter-productive.
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Re: The converter game

Postby muzik » June 14th, 2017, 6:53 pm

I really need to familiarise myself more with the glider synthesis stuff.

Anyways, let's forget about my stupidity and move on.
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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » June 14th, 2017, 7:34 pm

muzik wrote:I really need to familiarise myself more with the glider synthesis stuff.

It definitely seems like black magic at first (and I'm still no good at it myself, so I shouldn't talk). But just start by looking in places like the various N-bit synthesis threads, and find a stage in some construction that modifies a shape that matches one of the protruding ends of the current target.

Speaking of which, the rules don't seem to say that we have to use only gliders in these converers --

x = 38, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
24bo$23bobo$22bo2bo$21bob2o$21bo$19b3o$18bo$4b2o12b2o$3b3o14bo$2bobo2b
o2b2ob2o3b3o$2b2o2b2o2b2obobobo$6b2o7bobob2o$14b2obob2o$13bo3bo$12bo2b
3o$13b2o$15b3o$15bo2bo$16b2o$2bo10bo$obo9b2o21b2o$b2o9bobo19b4o$9bo23b
2ob2o$9b2o23b2o$8bobo$17bo$16b2o$16bobo$23b3o$23bo$2b3o19bo$4bo3bo$3bo
4b2o$7bobo!

-- so I suppose it's technically okay to throw let's say a lobster into the mix, even if we don't actually know how to synthesize those. Unless the rules are amended quickly enough to disallow that, of course...
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Re: The converter game

Postby gmc_nxtman » June 14th, 2017, 8:08 pm

dvgrn wrote:Speaking of which, the rules don't seem to say that we have to use only gliders in these converers --

...

-- so I suppose it's technically okay to throw let's say a lobster into the mix, even if we don't actually know how to synthesize those. Unless the rules are amended quickly enough to disallow that, of course...


How about just allowing standard spaceships?

x = 28, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
22bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4bo13bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o
3b3o$2o4b4obobobo$4b2o7bobob2o$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o
6bobo$13bo2bo5b2o$14b2o7bo$11b3o$10bo2bo3bo7bo$11b2o4bobo5bobo$17b2o6b
2o2$24bo$23b2o$23bobo3$7b2o7b2o$8b2o5b2o$7bo9bo!
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Re: The converter game

Postby A for awesome » June 14th, 2017, 9:09 pm

Hopefully this isn't cheating:
x = 33, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
32bo$30b2o$31b2o2$29bo$27b2o$4bo10bo12b2o$5b2o7bo$4b2o8b3o$12bo$10bobo
$11b2o9bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4bo13bo$2o2b2ob
3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo$4b2o7bobob2o6b3o$12b2obob2o6bo$11bo3bo10bo$10bo
2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The converter game

Postby gmc_nxtman » June 14th, 2017, 10:50 pm

A for awesome wrote:Hopefully this isn't cheating:
x = 33, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
32bo$30b2o$31b2o2$29bo$27b2o$4bo10bo12b2o$5b2o7bo$4b2o8b3o$12bo$10bobo
$11b2o9bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4bo13bo$2o2b2ob
3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo$4b2o7bobob2o6b3o$12b2obob2o6bo$11bo3bo10bo$10bo
2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o!


I don't think it should be - it's definitely progress, and an interesting component IMO.
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Re: The converter game

Postby Goldtiger997 » June 15th, 2017, 4:56 am

dvgrn wrote:There are more rules in the first post than there used to be -- apparently there's no rule that you can't change the rules after you start the game...!


Sorry about all the rule changing. However, I think they're all justified (?). I added the "glider-constructible spaceships only" rule, and hopefully that will be the last should-be rule that I miss.

As atonement for my rule changing sins, I decided to make one massive synthesis of the thread so far. It didn't work for two reasons.

1) chris_c's incremental synthesis to full synthesis wasn't working properly (I've had problems with it before)
2) I discovered that a converter posted by A for Awesome didn't work when rewinded:

x = 57, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
9bo4b2o33bo4b2o$7b3o3bobo31b3o3bobo$6bo6bo32bo6bo$5bobo3b3o31bobo3b3o$
6bobobo35bobobo$8bobob2o34bobob2o$7b2obob2o33b2obob2o$6bo2bo36bo2bo$6b
3o37b3o2$4b5o35b5o$3bo5bo33bo5bo$4bob3o35bob3o$3b2obo36b2obo$38bo$5bo
33b2o$o3b2o32b2o$b2obobo40bo$2o44b2o$46bobo$6b3o$b2o3bo6b2o$2b2o3bo4b
2o34b3o$bo12bo24b2o7bo6b2o$40b2o7bo4b2o$39bo16bo2$8bo$7b2o$7bobo40bo$
49b2o$49bobo!


I managed to make a more expensive but working version:

x = 29, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
17bo4b2o$15b3o3bobo$14bo6bo$13bobo3b3o$14bobobo$16bobob2o$15b2obob2o$
14bo2bo$14b3o2$12b5o$11bo5bo$4bo7bob3o$5b2o4b2obo$4b2o$22bo$22bobo$22b
2o2$17bo$16b2o$16bobo$26b2o$26bobo$3o15b2o6bo$2bo2b2o11bobo$bo4b2o10bo
$5bo!



Here's the pattern I was using to make a full synthesis with in case anyone else want's to have a go (separation: 100):

x = 3724, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
1203bo2003bobo$1202bo2005b2o$1202b3o2003bo3bo$3213b2o$3212b2o3bo16bo$
2824bo393b2o12b2o364bo$2823bo393b2o14b2o364bo$2823b3o206bo385bobo163bo
12b3o$433bobo2594b2o387b2o164b2o$433b2o2596b2o386bo9bo154b2o$434bo
2383bo608b2o159bobo6bo15bobo$214bo2602bo6bobo495b2o98b2o4b2o159b2o7b2o
13b2o$205bo8bobo2600b3o4b2o199bo296b2o98b2o165bo7b2o15bo$193bobo9bobo
6b2o2609bo197bobo$194b2o5bo3b2o2817b2ob3o292b4o96b4o96bo99bo99bo$11bo
182bo7b2o2309bo297bobo12b2o199bo93bo99bo99bo2bo96bo2bo96bobo67bo29bobo
97bobo$9b2o190b2o2308b2o299b2o12bobo91b2o98b2o6bo91bobo82b2o3bobo7bobo
9bo87bobo3bo93bobo3bo3bo89bo2bo68bo27bo2bo96bo2bo$10b2o2500b2o298bo13b
o92bobo97bobo97bobo84b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o86bobo3b2o92bobo3b2ob2o89bob2o67b
3o26bob2o96bob2o$1399bo1519bo99bo99bo85bo5bo7bo11bobo85bo99bo9b2o88bo
99bo99bo$1400b2o1107bo314bo92b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b
3o$304bo99bo99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o
93bo4b2o93bo4b2o88b2o13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o
93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bobo4bo308b2o91bo99bo99bo
99bo99bo99bo14b3o82bo81b2o16bo99bo$302b3o97b3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo
91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo
101b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bob
o91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87bo3b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87b2o2b3o308bobo90b2o98b2o
15b2o81b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13bo84b2o79bobo16b2o83bobo12b2o$bo99bo99bo99b
o99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo
6bo102bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo87b
3o2bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo99bo83bo3bo11bo99bo99bo99bo13b2o84bo99bo11b2o86b
o99bo13bo85bo80bo18bo85bo13bo$obo5bobo89bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo16b3o78b
obo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91b
obo3b3o91bobo3b3o101bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o
91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o92b2o3b3o92b2o3b3o
92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o15bo73b
2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o11bobo75b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o83bobo
3b2ob2o3b3o81bo4bo2b2ob2o3b3o$bo6b2o91bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobobo
95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bobobo
105bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bob
obo90b3o2bobobo97bobo97bobo95bobobo85b2o2b2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obob
obo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo8bobo3bo77b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b
2obobobo87b2o3b2obobobo84b2obo2bob2obobobo$9bo93bo99bo99bo99bo12b3o84b
obob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o86b2o6bobo
b2o94bobob2o104bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94b
obob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o89bo4bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob
2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o5b2o87bobob2o94bobob2o
94bobob2o84bo9bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o$103b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o11bo86bobobobo
93bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85bo7bobob
obo92b2obobobo102b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obob2o
93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o88bo4b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obo
b2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obo
b2o6bo86b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o93b2obob2o$10b3o404b
o86bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bobo93bo3bobo93bo3bobo93bo3bobo9bobo81bo3bobo93bo
3bobo90bo2bo3bobo100bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo
2bo96bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo
3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo95bo3bo
$10bo699bo99bo99bo99bo9b2o88bo72bo26bo91b2o6bo101b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o6b
o90b3o6bo90b3o97b3o97b2ob2o95b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94b
o2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o94bo
2b3o94bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o94bo2b3o$11bo698bobo97bobo97bob2o96bob2o7bo
88bob2o68bo27bob2o96bob2o106bob2o96bob2o96bob2o96bob2o6b2o479b2o98b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
98b2o$711bobo97bobo97bo2bo96bo2bo96b2obo67b3o26b2obo96b2obo106b2obo84b
5o7b2obo84b5o7b2obo84b5o7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b5o95b4ob2o93b4ob2o97b3o97b3o
97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o9bo87b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o
97b3o$712bo99bo99bobo97bobo100bobo97bobo97bobo91bo15bobo80bo5bo10bobo
80bo5bo10bobo80bo5bo10bobo3bo76bo5bo93bo5bo93bo3bob2o92bo3bob2o97bo2bo
96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo
96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$913bo99bo6bo95b2o98b2o98b2o83bo8b
2o14b2o81bob3o12b2o81bob3o12b2o81bob3o12b2o81bob3o87bo7bob3o94b2o98b2o
104b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b
2o98b2o98b2o$611b3o197b2o206b2o162b3o215b2o6b2o97b2obo96b2obo96b2obo
10b2o84b2obo90b2o4b2obo1680b2o$402b3o202b2o2bo198bobo206bobo161bo15b3o
198bobo318bobo177b2o1690b2o$404bo201b2o4bo199bo195bo175bo14bo209bo313b
o195bo187bo9bo1474bo$11b3o389bo204bo399b2o6b3o181bo208b2o508bobo185b2o
7b2o$11bo592b2o401bobo8bo389bobo508b2o185bobo7bobo$12bo590bobo411bo
700bo$605bo14bo1097b2o194bo$619b2o1096bobo193b2o199b3o$614b3o2bobo788b
3o500bobo200bo$614bo797bo510b2o181b3o6bo$431b2o182bo13b3o779bo511bobo
182bo8b3o$396b2o32b2o172b2o23bo1267b3o15b2o6bo183bo9bo$397b2o33bo172b
2o23bo1268bo2b2o11bobo200bo$396bo207bo1293bo4b2o10bo$1902bo$428b3o$
428bo739b3o$429bo201b2o537bo$631bobo535bo$631bo!


Turning the whole thing into an p24 oscillator:

x = 36, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
21b2o$22bo$21bo3bo$21b5o$9b2o2bo$5b2o2b2o3bob2o3b3o$5b2o7bobobobo3bo$
10b4o4bobobobo$17b2obob2o$16bo3bo$15bo2b3o$16b2o$18b3o$18bo2bo$19b3o$
2bo13b3o16bo$obo12bo3bo7bo5b2o$b2o13b4o6bo7b2o$26b3o$18b2o$18b2o$7bo7b
o$8b2o6bo$7b2o5b3o$o$b2o$2o16bo12b2o$11b3o2bobo11b2o$13bo3b2o13bo$12bo
10b2o$6b3o13b2o$8bo15bo$7bo4$27bo$21b3o2b2o$21bo4bobo$22bo$4b3o$6bo$5b
o!
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Re: The converter game

Postby A for awesome » June 15th, 2017, 10:24 am

Goldtiger997 wrote:Turning the whole thing into an p24 oscillator:

x = 36, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
21b2o$22bo$21bo3bo$21b5o$9b2o2bo$5b2o2b2o3bob2o3b3o$5b2o7bobobobo3bo$
10b4o4bobobobo$17b2obob2o$16bo3bo$15bo2b3o$16b2o$18b3o$18bo2bo$19b3o$
2bo13b3o16bo$obo12bo3bo7bo5b2o$b2o13b4o6bo7b2o$26b3o$18b2o$18b2o$7bo7b
o$8b2o6bo$7b2o5b3o$o$b2o$2o16bo12b2o$11b3o2bobo11b2o$13bo3b2o13bo$12bo
10b2o$6b3o13b2o$8bo15bo$7bo4$27bo$21b3o2b2o$21bo4bobo$22bo$4b3o$6bo$5b
o!

It's still p8, right? Unless blocker somehow turned into a p6 while I wasn't looking...
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » June 15th, 2017, 1:18 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:1) chris_c's incremental synthesis to full synthesis wasn't working properly (I've had problems with it before)...
Here's the pattern I was using to make a full synthesis with in case anyone else want's to have a go (separation: 100)

Huh, interesting. You're right -- the script output is very strange for that input pattern. I can get the first part of the construction to work by dropping the initial tub in the right place, but after that the spacing gets really unreasonable and the recipe doesn't work (for reasons I haven't tried to sort out yet):

x = 8338, y = 8336, rule = B3/S23
13bobo$bo12b2o$2bo11bo$3o$6bo7bo8320bo$4bobo8bo8319bobo$5b2o6b3o8319b
2o4$6bobo$7b2o$7bo5$20bo$18bobo$19b2o238$292bo$290bobo$291b2o7801bo$
8093bo$8093b3o5$8095bo$8094bo$8094b3o238$537bo$535bobo$536b2o3bo$542bo
$540b3o3bo7296bo$547bo7294bo$545b3o7294b3o10$7820bo$7820bobo$7820b2o6$
7834bo$7834bobo$7834b2o237$7585bo$7584bo$7584b3o3$808bo$809b2o$808b2o
248$7321bobo$7321b2o$7322bo3$7315bobo4bo$7315b2o5bobo$7316bo5b2o2$
1053bo$1051bobo$1052b2o133$1169bo6005bo$1170b2o6002bo$1169b2o6003b3o
247$6926bo$6925bo$6925b3o2$1432bo$1433b2o$1432b2o256$1686bobo$1687b2o$
1687bo521$2194bo$2195bo$2193b3o$6166bo$6164b2o$6165b2o621$2832bo$2833b
o$2831b3o11$2842bo$2843bo$2841b3o224$5252bobo$5252b2o$5253bo21$3084bo$
3082bobo$3083b2o3$5232bobo$5232b2o$5233bo252$5014bo$5014bobo$5014b2o
696$5572bo2003bobo$5571bo2005b2o$5571b3o2003bo3bo$7582b2o$7581b2o3bo
16bo$7193bo393b2o12b2o364bo$7192bo393b2o14b2o364bo$7192b3o206bo385bobo
163bo12b3o$4802bobo2594b2o387b2o164b2o$4802b2o2596b2o386bo9bo154b2o$
4803bo2383bo608b2o159bobo6bo15bobo$4583bo2602bo6bobo495b2o98b2o4b2o
159b2o7b2o13b2o$4574bo8bobo2600b3o4b2o199bo296b2o98b2o165bo7b2o15bo$
4562bobo9bobo6b2o2609bo197bobo$4563b2o5bo3b2o2817b2ob3o292b4o96b4o96bo
99bo99bo$4380bo182bo7b2o2309bo297bobo12b2o199bo93bo99bo99bo2bo96bo2bo
96bobo67bo29bobo97bobo$4378b2o190b2o2308b2o299b2o12bobo91b2o98b2o6bo
91bobo82b2o3bobo7bobo9bo87bobo3bo93bobo3bo3bo89bo2bo68bo27bo2bo96bo2bo
$4379b2o2500b2o298bo13bo92bobo97bobo97bobo84b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o86bobo3b2o
92bobo3b2ob2o89bob2o67b3o26bob2o96bob2o$5768bo1519bo99bo99bo85bo5bo7bo
11bobo85bo99bo9b2o88bo99bo99bo$5769b2o1107bo314bo92b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o
97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$4673bo99bo99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o
93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o88b2o13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o
93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o93bo4b2o86b
obo4bo308b2o91bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo14b3o82bo81b2o16bo99bo$4671b3o97b
3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b
3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo101b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo
91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87bo3b3o3bobo91b3o3b
obo87b2o2b3o308bobo90b2o98b2o15b2o81b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13bo84b2o79bobo
16b2o83bobo12b2o$4370bo99bo99bo99bo99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6b
o92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo102bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo
6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo87b3o2bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo99bo83bo3bo11b
o99bo99bo99bo13b2o84bo99bo11b2o86bo99bo13bo85bo80bo18bo85bo13bo$4369bo
bo5bobo89bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bo
bo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o101bobo3b3o91b
obo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91b
obo3b3o91bobo3b3o92b2o3b3o92b2o3b3o92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o89b2ob2o
3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o15bo73b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o11bobo75b2ob2o
3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o83bobo3b2ob2o3b3o81bo4bo2b2ob2o3b3o$4370bo
6b2o91bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo
95bobobo95bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bobobo105bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo
95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo90b3o2bobobo97bobo97bobo95bobo
bo85b2o2b2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obob
obo8bobo3bo77b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo87b2o3b2obobobo84b2obo2bob
2obobobo$4378bo93bo99bo99bo99bo12b3o84bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob
2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o86b2o6bobob2o94bobob2o104bobob2o94bobob2o
94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o89bo4bo
bob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o
94bobob2o94bobob2o5b2o87bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o84bo9bobob2o85b2o7bob
ob2o$4472b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o11bo86bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobob
o93bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85bo7bobobobo92b2obobobo102b2obobobo92b
2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o
93b2obob2o88bo4b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obo
b2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b
2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o93b2obob2o$4379b3o404bo86bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bobo93b
o3bobo93bo3bobo93bo3bobo9bobo81bo3bobo93bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo100bo2bo3bo
bo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo96bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo
3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo
3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo95bo3bo$4379bo699bo99bo99bo99bo9b2o
88bo72bo26bo91b2o6bo101b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o97b3o97b2ob
2o95b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo
2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o
94bo2b3o$4380bo698bobo97bobo97bob2o96bob2o7bo88bob2o68bo27bob2o96bob2o
106bob2o96bob2o96bob2o96bob2o6b2o479b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$5080bobo97bobo97bo
2bo96bo2bo96b2obo67b3o26b2obo96b2obo106b2obo84b5o7b2obo84b5o7b2obo84b
5o7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b5o95b4ob2o93b4ob2o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o
97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o9bo87b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$5081bo99bo99bobo
97bobo100bobo97bobo97bobo91bo15bobo80bo5bo10bobo80bo5bo10bobo80bo5bo
10bobo3bo76bo5bo93bo5bo93bo3bob2o92bo3bob2o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2b
o96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2b
o96bo2bo96bo2bo$5282bo99bo6bo95b2o98b2o98b2o83bo8b2o14b2o81bob3o12b2o
81bob3o12b2o81bob3o12b2o81bob3o87bo7bob3o94b2o98b2o104b2o98b2o98b2o98b
2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$4980b3o
197b2o206b2o162b3o215b2o6b2o97b2obo96b2obo96b2obo10b2o84b2obo90b2o4b2o
bo1680b2o$4771b3o202b2o2bo198bobo206bobo161bo15b3o198bobo318bobo177b2o
1690b2o$4773bo201b2o4bo199bo195bo175bo14bo209bo313bo195bo187bo9bo1474b
o$4380b3o389bo204bo399b2o6b3o181bo208b2o508bobo185b2o7b2o$4380bo592b2o
401bobo8bo389bobo508b2o185bobo7bobo$4381bo590bobo411bo700bo$4974bo14bo
1097b2o194bo$4988b2o1096bobo193b2o199b3o$4983b3o2bobo788b3o500bobo200b
o$4983bo797bo510b2o181b3o6bo$4800b2o182bo13b3o779bo511bobo182bo8b3o$
4765b2o32b2o172b2o23bo1267b3o15b2o6bo183bo9bo$4766b2o33bo172b2o23bo
1268bo2b2o11bobo200bo$4765bo207bo1293bo4b2o10bo$6271bo$4797b3o$4797bo
739b3o$4798bo201b2o537bo$4259bo740bobo535bo$4259bobo738bo$4259b2o6$
4235bo$4226bo8bobo$4110bobo113bobo6b2o$4111b2o5bo107b2o$4111bo7b2o$
4118b2o$4230bo14bobo$4228b2o15b2o$4229b2o15bo6$4227bobo$4227b2o$4228bo
47$4170bo$4169bobo$4170bo53$4229b3o$4229bo$4230bo2$4243bo$4242b2o$
4242bobo3$4230b3o$4230bo$4231bo2$4115bo$4115b2o$4114bobo8$4256b3o$
4108b3o145bo$4110bo146bo$4109bo$4255bo$4254b2o$4254bobo239$4494bo$
4493b2o$4488b3o2bobo$4488bo$4489bo$3860b2o$3861b2o$3860bo640b2o$4497bo
3bobo$4496b2o3bo$4496bobo13bo$4511b2o$3860b3o648bobo$3862bo$3861bo4$
4513b2o$4512b2o$4514bo237$3611b2o$3612b2o$3611bo253$5013b2o$5013bobo$
5013bo$3352b2o7bo$3351bobo7b2o$3353bo6bobo251$5234bo$5233b2o15bo$5233b
obo13b2o$5249bobo13$3057bo$3057b2o$3056bobo238$2833b2o$2832bobo$2834bo
$2841b2o$2840bobo$2842bo3$2843bo$2843b2o$2842bobo371$5919b3o$5919bo$
5920bo2$2470b2o$2471b2o$2470bo3$2466b2o$2465bobo$2467bo255$6159b2o$
6159bobo$6159bo$6169b2o$2190bo3977b2o$2190b2o3969b2o7bo$2189bobo2b3o
3963b2o$2196bo3965bo$2195bo244$1943b2o4473b2o$1942bobo4473bobo$1944bo
4473bo2$1951bo$1951b2o$1943bo6bobo$1943b2o4475bo$1942bobo4474b2o$6419b
obo235$1687bo$1687b2o$1686bobo630$7324b2o$7323b2o$7325bo2$7321b2o$
7321bobo$7321bo248$7582bo$7581b2o$7581bobo6$7586b3o$7586bo$7587bo249$
533b3o7305b2o$535bo7305bobo$534bo7306bo4$7840b2o$7839b2o$7841bo4$553b
3o$555bo$554bo245$8098bo$8097b2o$8097bobo255$14b2o$15b2o$14bo4$16b2o$
15bobo$17bo5$8b3o$10bo$9bo!

It's kind of a relief that the script isn't working, actually, because it took several hours to produce this result. With any luck it will work a lot faster when it's not confused.

If my guess is right, what's confusing it is the Niemiec-style reference objects interspersed (in all but one case) with the construction recipes. There's also one point where there are two identical reference objects in a row. More soon --

EDIT: No luck yet. In fact, I ended up with a weird crash-and-exit in Golly, which now I'll have to see if I can reproduce. Here's the incremental pattern with my attempted fixes:

x = 1814, y = 53, rule = B3/S23
603bo993bobo$602bo995b2o$602b3o993bo3bo$1603b2o$1602b2o3bo16bo$1414bo
193b2o12b2o164bo$1413bo193b2o14b2o164bo$1413b3o106bo185bobo63bo12b3o$
233bobo1284b2o187b2o64b2o$233b2o1286b2o186bo9bo54b2o$234bo1173bo308b2o
59bobo6bo15bobo$114bo1292bo6bobo295b2o4b2o59b2o7b2o13b2o$105bo8bobo
1290b3o4b2o99bo196b2o65bo7b2o15bo$93bobo9bobo6b2o1299bo97bobo$94b2o5bo
3b2o1407b2ob3o192b4o96bo$11bo82bo7b2o1099bo197bobo12b2o99bo93bo99bo2bo
66bo29bobo$9b2o90b2o1098b2o199b2o12bobo91b2o6bo76b2o3bobo7bobo9bo87bob
o3bo3bo61bo27bo2bo$10b2o1190b2o198bo13bo92bobo84b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o86bobo
3b2ob2o60b3o26bob2o$689bo819bo85bo5bo7bo11bobo85bo9b2o88bo$690b2o507bo
214bo92b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$204bo99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o78b2o
13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o86bobo4bo208b2o91bo99bo99bo
14b3o64b2o16bo$202b3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o
3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87bo3b3o3bobo87b2o2b3o208bobo90b2o
15b2o81b2o98b2o13bo65bobo16b2o$bo99bo99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo
6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo87b3o2bo6bo92bo6bo83bo3bo11bo99bo99bo
13b2o84bo11b2o86bo13bo66bo18bo$obo5bobo89bobo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bo
bo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bo
bo3b3o92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o15bo73b2ob2o3b
3o11bobo75b2ob2o3b3o83bobo3b2ob2o3b3o$bo6b2o91bobo97bobo97bobobo95bobo
bo95bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo90b3o2bobobo97b
obo85b2o2b2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo8bobo3bo77b2obobob
o87b2o3b2obobobo$9bo93bo99bo12b3o84bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o86b2o6bobo
b2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o89bo4bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o
94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o5b2o87bobob2o84bo9bobob2o$103b2o98b2o11bo
86bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85bo7bobobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2o
bob2o93b2obob2o88bo4b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o
93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o$10b3o204bo86bo3bo95bo3bobo93bo3b
obo9bobo81bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo
95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo$10bo399bo99bo9b2o61bo
26bo91b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o97b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo
2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o$11bo398bobo97bob2o7bo60bo27bob2o
96bob2o96bob2o6b2o279b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o98b2o$411bo
bo97bo2bo67b3o26b2obo96b2obo84b5o7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b4ob2o97b3o97b3o97b
3o97b3o97b3o97b3o9bo87b3o97b3o$412bo99bobo100bobo81bo15bobo80bo5bo10bo
bo3bo76bo5bo93bo3bob2o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2b
o96bo2bo$513bo6bo95b2o73bo8b2o14b2o81bob3o12b2o73bo7bob3o94b2o104b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$311b3o97b2o106b2o62b3o105b2o6b2o
97b2obo10b2o78b2o4b2obo880b2o$202b3o102b2o2bo98bobo106bobo61bo15b3o88b
obo118bobo77b2o890b2o$204bo101b2o4bo99bo95bo75bo14bo99bo113bo95bo87bo
9bo774bo$11b3o189bo104bo199b2o6b3o81bo98b2o208bobo85b2o7b2o$11bo292b2o
201bobo8bo179bobo208b2o85bobo7bobo$12bo290bobo211bo290bo$305bo14bo487b
2o94bo$319b2o486bobo93b2o99b3o$314b3o2bobo378b3o200bobo100bo$314bo387b
o210b2o81b3o6bo$231b2o82bo13b3o369bo211bobo82bo8b3o$196b2o32b2o72b2o
23bo557b3o15b2o6bo83bo9bo$197b2o33bo72b2o23bo558bo2b2o11bobo100bo$196b
o107bo583bo4b2o10bo$892bo$228b3o$228bo339b3o$229bo101b2o237bo$331bobo
235bo$331bo!

EDIT2: Ah, found the problem I think. One of the spacings was 110 instead of 100. More soon again.
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Re: The converter game

Postby Goldtiger997 » June 16th, 2017, 7:38 pm

I managed to fix the problem, by fixing a few errors in the synthesis, and selecting the whole pattern (which I've edited into my first post) with about 50 cells of spacing around it.

x = 4498, y = 4496, rule = B3/S23
13bobo$bo12b2o$2bo11bo$3o$6bo7bo4480bo$4bobo8bo4479bobo$5b2o6b3o4479b
2o4$6bobo$7b2o$7bo5$20bo$18bobo$19b2o110$164bo$162bobo$163b2o4217bo$
4381bo$4381b3o5$4383bo$4382bo$4382b3o110$281bo$279bobo$280b2o3bo$286bo
$284b3o3bo3968bo$291bo3966bo$289b3o3966b3o10$4236bo$4236bobo$4236b2o6$
4250bo$4250bobo$4250b2o109$4129bo$4128bo$4128b3o3$424bo$425b2o$424b2o
120$3993bobo$3993b2o$3994bo3$3987bobo4bo$3987b2o5bobo$3988bo5b2o2$541b
o$539bobo$540b2o133$657bo3189bo$658b2o3186bo$657b2o3187b3o119$3726bo$
3725bo$3725b3o2$792bo$793b2o$792b2o128$918bobo$919b2o$919bo121$1057bo$
1058b2o$1057b2o270$1298bo$1299bo$1297b3o$3222bo$3220b2o$3221b2o237$
1552bo$1553bo$1551b3o11$1562bo$1563bo$1561b3o96$2830bobo$2830b2o$2831b
o21$1686bo$1684bobo$1685b2o3$2810bobo$2810b2o$2811bo124$2720bo$2720bob
o$2720b2o363$2349bo$2349bobo$2349b2o6$2325bo$2316bo8bobo$2200bobo113bo
bo6b2o$2201b2o5bo107b2o$2201bo7b2o$2208b2o$2320bo14bobo$2318b2o15b2o$
2319b2o15bo6$2317bobo$2317b2o$2318bo47$2260bo$2259bobo$2260bo53$2319b
3o$2319bo$2320bo2$2333bo$2332b2o$2332bobo3$2320b3o$2320bo$2321bo2$
2205bo$2205b2o$2204bobo8$2346b3o$2198b3o145bo$2200bo146bo$2199bo$2345b
o$2344b2o$2344bobo111$2456bo$2455b2o$2450b3o2bobo$2450bo$2451bo$2078b
2o$2079b2o$2078bo384b2o$2459bo3bobo$2458b2o3bo$2458bobo13bo$2473b2o$
2078b3o392bobo$2080bo$2079bo4$2475b2o$2474b2o$2476bo109$1957b2o$1958b
2o$1957bo125$2719b2o$2719bobo$2719bo$1826b2o7bo$1825bobo7b2o$1827bo6bo
bo123$2812bo$2811b2o15bo$2811bobo13b2o$2827bobo13$1659bo$1659b2o$1658b
obo110$1553b2o$1552bobo$1554bo$1561b2o$1560bobo$1562bo3$1563bo$1563b2o
$1562bobo115$3103b3o$3103bo$3104bo2$1446b2o$1447b2o$1446bo3$1442b2o$
1441bobo$1443bo127$3215b2o$3215bobo$3215bo$3225b2o$1294bo1929b2o$1294b
2o1921b2o7bo$1293bobo2b3o1915b2o$1300bo1917bo$1299bo116$1175b2o2169b2o
$1174bobo2169bobo$1176bo2169bo2$1183bo$1183b2o$1175bo6bobo$1175b2o
2171bo$1174bobo2170b2o$3347bobo235$919bo$919b2o$918bobo268$641bo$641b
2o$640bobo104$3996b2o$3995b2o$3997bo2$3993b2o$3993bobo$3993bo120$4126b
o$4125b2o$4125bobo6$4130b3o$4130bo$4131bo121$277b3o3977b2o$279bo3977bo
bo$278bo3978bo4$4256b2o$4255b2o$4257bo4$297b3o$299bo$298bo117$4386bo$
4385b2o$4385bobo127$14b2o$15b2o$14bo4$16b2o$15bobo$17bo5$8b3o$10bo$9bo
!
[[ STEP 50 ZOOM 10 X 10 ]]


Unfortunately, It still has weird spacing.
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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » June 17th, 2017, 12:34 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:I managed to fix the problem, by fixing a few errors in the synthesis, and selecting the whole pattern (which I've edited into my first post) with about 50 cells of spacing around it.
...
Unfortunately, It still has weird spacing.

It's easy enough to do a rough optimization by hand --

x = 485, y = 475, rule = B3/S23
14bo$15b2o$2bo11b2o$obo$b2o3bo468bo$7bo7bo458bo$5b3o5bobo458b3o$14b2o
3$7bo$8b2o$7b2o37bo$47b2o$46b2o$478bobo$478b2o$20bo458bo$21bo26bo$19b
3o27b2o$48b2o$52bobo$53b2o424bobo$53bo3bobo410bobo6b2o$58b2o410b2o8bo$
58bo412bo9$449bo$447b2o$448b2o6$463bo$461b2o$462b2o8$442bobo$442b2o$
443bo2$91bo$92bo$90b3o4$424bo$422b2o$423b2o3$418bo5bo$416b2o5bo$417b2o
4b3o2$91bo$92bo$90b3o4$77bobo326bo$78b2o326bobo$78bo327b2o3$401bo$401b
obo$401b2o2$96bobo$97b2o$97bo2$99bo$100bo$98b3o2$117bo$118b2o$117b2o
29$117bo$115bobo$116b2o$382bobo$382b2o$383bo12$146bo$147bo$145b3o11$
156bo$157bo$155b3o5$307bo$306bo$306b3o22$188bobo$189b2o$189bo2$287bo$
286bo$286b3o6$315bo$314bo$314b3o18$289bo$289bobo$289b2o6$265bo$256bo8b
obo$240bobo13bobo6b2o$241b2o5bo7b2o$241bo7b2o$248b2o$260bo14bobo$258b
2o15b2o$259b2o15bo5$250bo$249bobo5bobo$250bo6b2o$258bo2$259b3o$259bo$
260bo2$273bo$272b2o$272bobo3$260b3o$260bo$261bo2$245bo$245b2o$244bobo
8$286b3o$238b3o45bo$240bo46bo$239bo$285bo$284b2o$284bobo4$287b3o$283b
2o2bo$282b2o4bo$284bo$226b2o$225bobo$227bo68bo$295b2o$290b3o2bobo$290b
o$291bo13b3o$226b2o77bo$227b2o77bo$226bo$219b2o$218bobo$220bo$307b2o$
307bobo3b3o$307bo5bo$314bo$211b3o6b2o$213bo7b2o$212bo7bo5$287b3o$287bo
15b3o$288bo14bo$304bo10$165b3o$167bo$166bo22$147b2o$146bobo$148bo$155b
2o$154bobo$156bo3$157bo$157b2o$156bobo4$380bo$379b2o$379bobo3$150b3o$
152bo$151bo3$146b2o$147b2o$146bo13$376b3o$376bo$377bo9bo$386b2o$112b2o
265bo6bobo$113b2o2b2o259b2o$112bo3bobo259bobo$98b3o17bo$100bo$99bo2$
426bo$425b2o$104bo293bo26bobo$104b2o291b2o$103bobo291bobo$422b3o$422bo
$111b3o309bo$113bo$103b3o6bo$105bo292b3o$104bo293bo40b2o$399bo39bobo$
439bo5$445bo$444b2o$444bobo5$61b2o$62b2o$61bo12$46bo$46b2o421b2o$45bob
o420b2o$470bo4$467b3o$467bo$468bo3$66bo$66b2o$65bobo3$482b2o$482bobo$
482bo9$15bo$15b2o$14bobo5$16b3o$18bo$17bo4$9b2o$8bobo$10bo!

-- but there are several more converters to be added to the first post. I'll see if I can get the script's spacing optimization working again now.

EDIT: Yup, the problem was what I was guessing it was: you didn't start the construction with empty space, and the script isn't clever enough to find the initial target tub and put it in the right place. So what the script was optimizing was the mess that the recipe builds in the absence of the initial tub... and, well, that doesn't optimize very well, but the script did its best.

All I had to do was add a tub synthesis at the beginning of the series, and the script started working at a reasonable speed again:

x = 2962, y = 519, rule = B3/S23
498bo$497bo$497b3o2$495bo$494bo$20bo473b3o$21bo459bobo$19b3o459b2o$26b
o455bo$27b2o$26b2o9$bo504bo$2b2o26bobo472bo$b2o15bo12b2o465bobo4b3o$
19bo11bo466b2o$17b3o479bo$23bo7bo430bo$8bo12bobo8bo429bobo$9bo4bobo5b
2o6b3o429b2o$7b3o5b2o$bo13bo$2bo56bobo$3o14bo5bobo34b2o$18b2o4b2o34bo
409bo$17b2o5bo443b2o13bo$469b2o12bobo$483b2o$61bobo$62b2o415bo7bo$37bo
24bo3bo410b2o6b2o$35bobo29b2o402bo6b2o6b2o$36b2o28b2o3bo390bo6b2o$72b
2o386b2o8b2o$71b2o388b2o10$438bobo$438b2o$439bo6$44bo407bobo$45b2o405b
2o$44b2o407bo6$434bobo$434b2o$435bo2$103bo$104bo$102b3o3$417bo$415b2o$
416b2o3$411bo5bo$409b2o5bo$410b2o4b3o2$102bo$103bo$101b3o3$89bo311bo$
87bobo309b2o$88b2o310b2o2$396bobo$396b2o$397bo$106bo$107bo$105b3o3$
103bo3bo$101bobo4b2o$102b2o3b2o5$97bo$98b2o$97b2o$405bo$405bobo$405b2o
$113bo$111bobo$112b2o3$356bo$356bobo$356b2o796bo1093bobo$1153bo1095b2o
$1153b3o1093bo3bo$145bo2108b2o517bo$146b2o2105b2o3bo16bo495b2o$145b2o
1918bo193b2o12b2o164bo332b2o$2064bo193b2o14b2o164bo$2064b3o106bo185bob
o63bo12b3o329bo$784bobo1384b2o187b2o64b2o340b2o$784b2o1386b2o186bo9bo
54b2o318bo10bo12b2o$785bo1273bo308b2o59bobo6bo15bobo289b2o7bo$665bo
1392bo6bobo295b2o4b2o59b2o7b2o13b2o289b2o8b3o$656bo8bobo1390b3o4b2o99b
o196b2o65bo7b2o15bo297bo$644bobo9bobo6b2o1399bo97bobo584bobo$645b2o5bo
3b2o1507b2ob3o192b4o96bo99bo99bo88b2o9bo$562bo82bo7b2o1199bo197bobo12b
2o99bo93bo99bo2bo66bo29bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo$560b2o90b2o1005bo192b2o
199b2o12bobo91b2o6bo76b2o3bobo7bobo9bo87bobo3bo3bo61bo27bo2bo96bo2bo
96bo2bo96bo2bo$561b2o1094bobo193b2o198bo13bo92bobo84b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o
86bobo3b2ob2o60b3o26bob2o96bob2o96bob2o96bob2o$1240bo417b2o500bo85bo5b
o7bo11bobo85bo9b2o88bo99bo99bo99bo96b2o98b2o$1241b2o607bo214bo92b3o97b
3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97bo99bo$450bo3bo300bo99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo
4b2o93bo4b2o78b2o13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o
86bobo4bo208b2o91bo99bo99bo14b3o64b2o16bo99bo99bo99bo99bo3bo95bo3bo$
143bo307b2obobo296b3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o
3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87bo3b3o3bobo87b2o2b3o
208bobo90b2o15b2o81b2o98b2o13bo65bobo16b2o84b2o12b2o84b2o12b2o84b2o12b
2o84b2o12b5o81b2o12b5o$144b2o304b2o2b2o96bo99bo99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo
92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo87b3o2bo6bo92bo6bo83b
o3bo11bo99bo99bo13b2o84bo11b2o86bo13bo66bo18bo82b3o14bo82b3o14bo82b3o
14bo82b3o97b3o$143b2o406bobo5bobo89bobo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o
91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o
91bobo3b3o92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o15bo73b2ob
2o3b3o11bobo75b2ob2o3b3o83bobo3b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo
2b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b
3o$456b3o93bo6b2o91bobo97bobo97bobobo95bobobo95bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bo
bobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo90b3o2bobobo97bobo85b2o2b2o4bobobo
92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo8bobo3bo77b2obobobo87b2o3b2obobobo84b
2o2b2o2b2obobobo84b2o2b2o2b2obobobo84b2o2b2o2b2obobobo84b2o2b2o2b2obob
obo3bo80b2o2b2o2b2obobobo3bo$456bo103bo93bo99bo12b3o84bobob2o94bobob2o
94bobob2o86b2o6bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o89b
o4bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o5b2o87bobob2o84b
o9bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o6b3o76b2o7bobobobo84b
2o7bobobobo$336bo120bo196b2o98b2o11bo86bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85b
o7bobobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o88bo4b2o
bob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o
81bo11b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o93b2obob2o$
336bobo222b3o204bo86bo3bo95bo3bobo93bo3bobo9bobo81bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo
90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo
95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo10bo84bo3bo95bo3bo$336b
2o223bo399bo99bo9b2o61bo26bo91b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o97b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo
2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o
94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o$562bo398bobo97bob2o7bo60bo27b
ob2o96bob2o96bob2o6b2o279b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$962bobo97bo2bo67b3o26b2obo96b2obo84b5o
7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b4ob2o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o9bo87b3o97b
3o97b3o97b3o6bobo88b3o97b3o97b3o$963bo99bobo100bobo81bo15bobo80bo5bo
10bobo3bo76bo5bo93bo3bob2o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo
96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo5b2o89bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$366bo697b
o6bo95b2o73bo8b2o14b2o81bob3o12b2o73bo7bob3o94b2o104b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o7bo90b3o97b3o97b3o$366bobo493b3o97b
2o106b2o62b3o105b2o6b2o97b2obo10b2o78b2o4b2obo980b2o106bo10bo99b3o97b
3o83bo13b3o16bo80b3o$366b2o385b3o102b2o2bo98bobo106bobo61bo15b3o88bobo
118bobo77b2o990b2o103bobo9b2o21b2o75bo2bo3bo7bo84bo3bo80bobo12bo3bo7bo
5b2o80bo3bo$755bo101b2o4bo99bo95bo75bo14bo99bo113bo95bo87bo9bo874bo
106b2o9bobo19b4o75b2o4bobo5bobo83b4o81b2o13b4o6bo7b2o80b4o$562b3o189bo
104bo199b2o6b3o81bo98b2o208bobo85b2o7b2o989bo23b2ob2o81b2o6b2o194b3o$
562bo292b2o201bobo8bo179bobo208b2o85bobo7bobo988b2o23b2o179b2o98b2o98b
2o$563bo290bobo211bo290bo565b3o619bobo115bo88b2o98b2o98b2o$856bo14bo
487b2o94bo471bo628bo107b2o177bo7bo$870b2o486bobo93b2o99b3o368bo628b2o
107bobo177b2o6bo$865b3o2bobo378b3o200bobo100bo997bobo285b2o5b3o100bo$
865bo387bo210b2o81b3o6bo1005b3o271bo117b2o$782b2o82bo13b3o369bo211bobo
82bo8b3o1001bo85b2o7b2o178b2o115bo$747b2o32b2o72b2o23bo557b3o15b2o6bo
83bo9bo982b3o19bo85b2o5b2o178b2o16bo12b2o81b4o$748b2o33bo72b2o23bo558b
o2b2o11bobo100bo983bo3bo100bo9bo188b3o2bobo11b2o83b2o$747bo107bo583bo
4b2o10bo1085bo4b2o300bo3b2o13bo81b2o$1443bo1102bobo299bo10b2o89b2o$
779b3o2060b3o13b2o90b2o$343bo435bo339b3o1722bo15bo$343bobo434bo101b2o
237bo1721bo$343b2o537bobo235bo$882bo2$2863bo$2857b3o2b2o$2857bo4bobo$
319bo2538bo$310bo8bobo2518b3o$190bobo117bobo6b2o2521bo$191b2o5bo111b2o
2529bo$191bo7b2o$198b2o$314bo14bobo$312b2o15b2o$313b2o15bo5$200bo103bo
$201b2o101bobo4bobo$200b2o102b2o5b2o$312bo61$665bo2bo$664bo$664bo3bo$
664b4o37$306b3o$306bo$307bo3$313b3o$313bo$314bo2$327bo$326b2o$326bobo
3$314b3o$314bo$315bo2$195bo$195b2o$194bobo8$340b3o$188b3o149bo$190bo
150bo$189bo$339bo$338b2o$338bobo3$341b2o$336b2o2b2o$336bobo3bo$336bo$
177bo$177b2o$176bobo$348b3o$344b2o2bo$343b2o4bo$345bo13b2o$177b2o179b
2o$176bobo181bo$178bo$170bo$170b2o$169bobo193b2o$361bo3bobo$360b2o3bo$
164b2o7bo186bobo$163bobo7b2o$165bo6bobo3$337b2o$337bobo13b2o$337bo15bo
bo22b3o$353bo24bo$379bo2$155b2o$156b2o$155bo3$151b2o$150bobo$152bo3$
117b2o$116bobo$118bo11$107b2o$108b2o$107bo311bo$418b2o$418bobo3$103b3o
309b3o$105bo309bo$104bo311bo$111b3o$113bo$112bo318b2o$431bobo$431bo$
113b2o$114b2o$113bo2$437bo$400bo35b2o$399b2o35bobo$399bobo$409b2o$409b
obo$93b3o305b2o6bo$95bo2b2o301bobo$94bo4b2o300bo$71b3o24bo$73bo$72bo4$
85b2o333b2o$84bobo333bobo$86bo333bo2$93bo$59b2o32b2o365bo$60b2o23bo6bo
bo364b2o$59bo25b2o335bo36bobo$84bobo334b2o$421bobo2$458b2o$458bobo$
458bo4$79b2o$80b2o$79bo3$472b3o$472bo$473bo6$31b2o$32b2o413b2o$31bo
415bobo$447bo$52b2o$51bobo$33b2o18bo$32bobo416b2o$34bo416bobo$451bo7bo
$458b2o$46bo411bobo$46b2o$25b3o17bobo3b2o$27bo22bobo$26bo25bo7$493bo$
492b2o$492bobo6$484b2o$484bobo$484bo3$28b3o445b3o$30bo445bo$29bo447bo
15$12bo489b3o$12b2o488bo$11bobo489bo$7bo486b3o$7b2o485bo$6bobo486bo5$
494bo3b2o$493b2o3bobo$493bobo2bo$5bo$5b2o$4bobo!

Re: "with about 50 cells of spacing around it" -- that is definitely another user-unfriendly weakness of the current script, which could be fixed pretty easily with some clever little subroutine to pre-analyze the selected pattern. You actually only need about 50 cells of spacing to the left -- the other boundaries can be tight.

More accurately, the left boundary of the selection should be N cells to the left of where you want the next boundary to be, and k*N cells from the rest of the boundaries. If you signal the wrong boundary location, the script will happily chop most of your incremental recipes in half, assigning gliders to the wrong increment.

Again, it shouldn't be too terribly hard to make this all automatic. The script could guess at a spacing and report the guess back to the user, instead of having to ask for a number.
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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » June 28th, 2017, 4:11 pm

Oops, didn't mean for the tangent about chris_c's recipe-compiling script to kill the thread. How about gmc_nxtman's 4-glider high-clearance loaf-adding component next?

x = 28, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
27bo$25b2o$26b2o5$12bobo$13b2o$13bo3$16bobo3bo$17b2ob2o$17bo3b2o5$16b
2o$17bo$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b2o7bobobo
bo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo
$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!
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Re: The converter game

Postby gmc_nxtman » June 28th, 2017, 4:59 pm

Thanks! Here's a bent tail-adding component, found via catagolue:

x = 57, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
18bo$19bo$17b3o$35bo$35bobo$35b2o3$44bo$33bo10bobo$34bo9b2o$32b3o6$23b
o$22bobo$16b2o3bo2bo$17bo2bob2o$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo39b2o$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b
3o25bobo$2o4b4obobobo3bo24bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o
39bo$11b2o41b2o$13b3o38bobo$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$
13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!
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Re: The converter game

Postby Goldtiger997 » June 29th, 2017, 6:45 am

dvgrn wrote:Oops, didn't mean for the tangent about chris_c's recipe-compiling script to kill the thread.

No I think it was my fault with all the rule changing. Sorry.

Anyway, add hook with tail:

x = 32, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
22bobo$22b2o$11bo11bo$bo7bobo$2bo7b2o$3o2bobo8bo$6b2o6bobo$6bo8b2o2$
17bo$8bo8bobo$9b2o6b2o$8b2o$28b2o$27bo2bo$26bobobo$20b2o3bo2bob2o$21bo
2bob2o$20bo3bo$20b5o$8bo$4b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$4b2o4b4obobobo3bo$8b2o7bob
obobo$16b2obob2o$15bo3bo$14bo2b3o$15b2o$17b3o$17bo2bo$18b3o$15b3o$14bo
3bo$15b4o2$17b2o$17b2o3$17bo$15bobo$13bo2b2o$14b2o$14bo2$13b2o$13b2o!
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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » July 21st, 2017, 9:28 pm

Goldtiger997 wrote:... add hook with tail:

Huh, nobody has contributed a simple boat-bit yet. That latest addition makes a nice platform:

x = 28, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
10bo$11bo$9b3o3$11b2o$12bo11b2o$12bob2o7bo2bo$13bobo6bobobo$16b2o3bo2b
ob2o$17bo2bob2o$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b
2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b
3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b
2o!

This reminds me that there's an alternate single-glider case similar to a boat-bit catch, where the still life acts as a rock and the glider's cells get frozen into an addition to the still life. It showed up in an email message by Heinrich Koenig on International Talk Like A Pirate Day 2005, but was rumored to be known to David Buckingham long before that:

x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bo$6b3o$b2o$bo$2bo$obo$2ob2o$3bo$3bobo$4b2o!

That also reminds me of another single-glider conversion reaction that I stumbled on last year. Not sure if it's worth remembering or not, but here it is:

x = 11, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
2o$o$b3o$3bo$b2o6bo$o7bo$b4o3b3o$4bo$b2o$bo$2bo$b2o!

Would anyone care to contribute a recipe to attach a structure that's compatible with either of those conversions?
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Re: The converter game

Postby gmc_nxtman » July 21st, 2017, 9:38 pm

I don't know of any way to add those particular components, but an eater head should make the next component easy:

x = 28, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
6bo$7bo$5b3o4bo$12bobo$12b2o2$6bo$6bobo$6b2o3bo$10bobo$5bo5b2o$6b2o$5b
2o4b2o$12bo11b2o$12bob2o7bo2bo$13bobo6bobobo$16b2o3bo2bob2o$17bo2bob2o
$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b
2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o
2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!


EDIT: There's no rule about optimizing the syntheses, but the newest Coe's p8 synthesis reduces one of the previous converters (block to Coe's p8 is doable in at most 5G) Here's all converters, including the optimized Coe's p8 from 4G (Goldtiger should judge if components should be optimized)

x = 2718, y = 56, rule = B3/S23
2417bo$2415b2o$603bo1093bobo716b2o$602bo1095b2o908bobo85bo$602b3o1093b
o3bo808bo96b2o87bo$1703b2o517bo289b2o83bo11bo85b3o4bo$1702b2o3bo16bo
495b2o289b2o74bo7bobo104bobo$1514bo193b2o12b2o164bo332b2o179bobo116bob
o64bo7b2o104b2o$1513bo193b2o14b2o164bo513b2o116b2o63b3o2bobo8bo$1513b
3o106bo185bobo63bo12b3o329bo183bo118bo69b2o6bobo93bo$233bobo1384b2o
187b2o64b2o340b2o373bo8b2o93bobo$233b2o1386b2o186bo9bo54b2o318bo10bo
12b2o476b2o3bo$234bo1273bo308b2o59bobo6bo15bobo289b2o7bo201bobo3bo117b
obo70bo96bobo$114bo1392bo6bobo295b2o4b2o59b2o7b2o13b2o289b2o8b3o200b2o
b2o114bo3b2o62bo8bobo89bo5b2o$105bo8bobo1390b3o4b2o99bo196b2o65bo7b2o
15bo297bo204bo3b2o114b2o2bo63b2o6b2o91b2o$93bobo9bobo6b2o1399bo97bobo
584bobo323b2o66b2o99b2o4b2o$94b2o5bo3b2o1507b2ob3o192b4o96bo99bo99bo
88b2o9bo401b2o86bo11b2o$11bo82bo7b2o1199bo197bobo12b2o99bo93bo99bo2bo
66bo29bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo299bo99bo2bo85bob2o7bo2bo$9b2o90b2o1005bo
192b2o199b2o12bobo91b2o6bo76b2o3bobo7bobo9bo87bobo3bo3bo61bo27bo2bo96b
o2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo298bobo97bobobo86bobo6bobobo$10b2o1094bobo193b2o198b
o13bo92bobo84b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o86bobo3b2ob2o60b3o26bob2o96bob2o96bob2o
96bob2o93b2o98b2o98b2o3bo2bo16bo74b2o3bo2bob2o88b2o3bo2bob2o$689bo417b
2o500bo85bo5bo7bo11bobo85bo9b2o88bo99bo99bo99bo97bo99bo99bo2bob2o16b2o
75bo2bob2o93bo2bob2o$690b2o607bo214bo92b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b
3o96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo19bobo73bo3bo95bo3bo$204bo99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo
4b2o93bo4b2o78b2o13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o
86bobo4bo208b2o91bo99bo99bo14b3o64b2o16bo99bo99bo99bo99b5o95b5o95b5o
95b5o95b5o$202b3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bob
o91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87bo3b3o3bobo87b2o2b3o208bobo
90b2o15b2o81b2o98b2o13bo65bobo16b2o84b2o12b2o98b2o98b2o86bo99bo99bo99b
o99bo$bo99bo99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo
92bo6bo92bo6bo87b3o2bo6bo92bo6bo83bo3bo11bo99bo99bo13b2o84bo11b2o86bo
13bo66bo18bo82b3o14bo85bo13bo85bo13bo81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob
2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$obo5bo
bo89bobo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o
91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b
2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o15bo73b2ob2o3b3o11bobo75b2ob2o3b3o83bobo
3b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o
81b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo
3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo$bo6b2o91bobo97bobo97bobobo95bobobo95bobobo88bobo
4bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo90b3o2bobobo97bobo85b2o
2b2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo8bobo3bo77b2obobobo87b2o3b
2obobobo84b2o2b2o2b2obobobo84b2o4b4obobobo84b2o4b4obobobo88b2o7bobobob
o84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo30b3o51b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo$9bo93bo
99bo12b3o84bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o86b2o6bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94b
obob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o89bo4bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob
2o94bobob2o5b2o87bobob2o84bo9bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bo
bob2o6b3o84b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o31bo61b2obob2o93b2obob2o$103b2o
98b2o11bo86bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85bo7bobobobo92b2obobobo92b2obo
bobo92b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o88bo4b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b
2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2ob
ob2o93b2obob2o6bo85bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo35bo59bo3bo95bo3bo$10b3o204bo86b
o3bo95bo3bobo93bo3bobo9bobo81bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo96b
o3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3b
o95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo10bo83bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o$10b
o399bo99bo9b2o61bo26bo91b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o97b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94b
o2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o94bo2b3o
94bo2b3o94bo2b3o95b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$11bo398bobo97bob2o7bo60bo27b
ob2o96bob2o96bob2o6b2o279b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o100b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$411bobo97bo2bo67b3o26b
2obo96b2obo84b5o7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b4ob2o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o
97b3o9bo87b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o6bobo88b3o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo
2bo$412bo99bobo100bobo81bo15bobo80bo5bo10bobo3bo76bo5bo93bo3bob2o97bo
2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo
2bo5b2o89bo2bo97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$513bo6bo95b2o73bo8b2o14b2o81bo
b3o12b2o73bo7bob3o94b2o104b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
98b2o98b2o7bo90b3o94b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$311b3o97b2o106b2o62b3o105b
2o6b2o97b2obo10b2o78b2o4b2obo980b2o105bo10b2o99b3o97b3o96bo3bo95bo3bo
95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo$202b3o102b2o2bo98bobo106bobo61bo15b3o88bobo118bo
bo77b2o990b2o105b2o8bobo19bo2bo74bo2bo3bo7bo84bo3bo96b4o96b4o96b4o96b
4o96b4o$204bo101b2o4bo99bo95bo75bo14bo99bo113bo95bo87bo9bo874bo106b2o
9bo20bo79b2o4bobo5bobo83b4o$11b3o189bo104bo199b2o6b3o81bo98b2o208bobo
85b2o7b2o989b2o22bo3bo81b2o6b2o186b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$11bo292b2o
201bobo8bo179bobo208b2o85bobo7bobo987bobo22b4o178b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b
2o98b2o$12bo290bobo211bo290bo565b3o621bo115bo88b2o$305bo14bo487b2o94bo
471bo627b2o107b2o$319b2o486bobo93b2o99b3o368bo628bobo106bobo287bo99bo
99bo99bo$314b3o2bobo378b3o200bobo100bo997bo7bo289bo98bobo97bobo97bobo
97bobo$314bo387bo210b2o81b3o6bo1005b2o287bobo3bo92bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b
2o95bo2b2o$231b2o82bo13b3o369bo211bobo82bo8b3o981bo19bobo83b2o7b2o188b
o4b2o2b2o93b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$196b2o32b2o72b2o23bo557b3o15b2o6bo83bo9b
o983b2o105b2o5b2o189b2o7bobo92bo99bo99bo99bo$197b2o33bo72b2o23bo558bo
2b2o11bobo100bo981bobo3b2o99bo9bo187bobo$196bo107bo583bo4b2o10bo1089bo
bo401b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$892bo1104bo401b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$228b3o$228bo
339b3o$229bo101b2o237bo$331bobo235bo1724bo$331bo1962b2o$2293bobo!


@dvgrn Some more information about these strange hypothetical conversions might be useful - for instance, is the second one starting from the snake, or the eater, etc? What kind of base is intended? There currently aren't very many surfaces resembling that in the current construction.
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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » July 21st, 2017, 11:03 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:@dvgrn Some more information about these strange hypothetical conversions might be useful - for instance, is the second one starting from the snake, or the eater, etc? What kind of base is intended? There currently aren't very many surfaces resembling that in the current construction.

I don't have any more information, I'm afraid. I was thinking of those two surfaces as an optional extra challenge, in case anyone wanted such a thing.

Those structures are definitely not very easy to construct, especially as an addition onto a large existing object, so if the optional challenge gets ignored indefinitely, that's totally fair... but it would be fun if one of those structures showed up twenty or thirty additions farther along, so that one of those single-glider recipes could be used.

I was probably thinking of starting from the snake for the second structure, because it doesn't have to be a snake -- any number of possible connections to the larger object would work. Could maybe start building it onto the end of one of the oscillators:

x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo$4b2o6bo$3bo7bo$4b4o3b3o$7bo$4b2o$4bo$2bobo$bobo$bo$
2o!

However, I don't have a lot of ideas about how to squash that 15-bit folded object (or any of the equivalent larger bit-count objects that would also work for the one-glider conversion) onto the top of a snake or any other likely connector.
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Re: The converter game

Postby PHPBB12345 » July 22nd, 2017, 12:17 am

dvgrn wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:@dvgrn Some more information about these strange hypothetical conversions might be useful - for instance, is the second one starting from the snake, or the eater, etc? What kind of base is intended? There currently aren't very many surfaces resembling that in the current construction.

I don't have any more information, I'm afraid. I was thinking of those two surfaces as an optional extra challenge, in case anyone wanted such a thing.

Those structures are definitely not very easy to construct, especially as an addition onto a large existing object, so if the optional challenge gets ignored indefinitely, that's totally fair... but it would be fun if one of those structures showed up twenty or thirty additions farther along, so that one of those single-glider recipes could be used.

I was probably thinking of starting from the snake for the second structure, because it doesn't have to be a snake -- any number of possible connections to the larger object would work. Could maybe start building it onto the end of one of the oscillators:

x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo$4b2o6bo$3bo7bo$4b4o3b3o$7bo$4b2o$4bo$2bobo$bobo$bo$
2o!

However, I don't have a lot of ideas about how to squash that 15-bit folded object (or any of the equivalent larger bit-count objects that would also work for the one-glider conversion) onto the top of a snake or any other likely connector.


x = 17, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3bo$4b3o$7bo$4b3o$3bo$4b3o3b2o$6bo2bo2bo$4b2o3bo2bo$4bo5b2o$2bobo
$bobo10b3o$bo12bo$2o13bo!
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Re: The converter game

Postby glider_rider » July 22nd, 2017, 12:27 am

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Re: The converter game

Postby Goldtiger997 » July 22nd, 2017, 7:44 am

gmc_nxtman wrote:Here's all converters, including the optimized Coe's p8 from 4G (Goldtiger should judge if components should be optimized)


Often, when you think you're converters are optimised, there are actually still many more optimisations you could make. Because of this, I think it is best just to do obvious optimisations, and not having to use gencols or popseq (unless you want to) to fully optimise it, at least for the purposes of this game. However, certainly feel free to optimise any converters posted and I will edit the initial pattern to use it instead.

Adding a queen bee to make a p120 oscillator:

x = 28, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
16bobo$17b2o$17bo2$14b3o$16bo$9bo5bo$10b2o$9b2o$15bo$15b2o$14bobo$19b
3o$19bo$20bo6$12b2o$13bo$10b3o$10bo$11b2o$12bo11b2o$12bob2o7bo2bo$13bo
bo6bobobo$16b2o3bo2bob2o$17bo2bob2o$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o
$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o
$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$
10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!


And the best part is that the eater can be built off to create two islands connected by the queen bee!
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Re: The converter game

Postby gmc_nxtman » July 22nd, 2017, 11:25 am

I made two versions of the pattern. One of them is simply optimizing the converters themselves and keeping the route (which stays fair to the game). The other was just for fun, and shows various shortcuts that can be made based off previously posted counterproductive components.

Here is the first one. I made a few obvious reductions but nothing too big. I'm sure the block->blocker could be optimized as well.

x = 2918, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
2906bobo$2907b2o$2907bo2$2904b3o$2906bo$2899bo5bo$2900b2o$2899b2o$
2417bo487bo$2415b2o488b2o$603bo1093bobo716b2o486bobo$602bo1095b2o908bo
bo185bo112b3o$602b3o1093bo3bo808bo96b2o187bo111bo$1703b2o517bo289b2o
83bo11bo185b3o4bo107bo$1702b2o3bo16bo495b2o289b2o74bo7bobo204bobo$
1514bo193b2o12b2o164bo332b2o179bobo116bobo64bo7b2o204b2o$1513bo193b2o
14b2o164bo513b2o116b2o63b3o2bobo8bo$1513b3o292bobo63bo12b3o329bo183bo
118bo69b2o6bobo193bo$233bobo1573b2o64b2o340b2o373bo8b2o193bobo$233b2o
1376bo197bo9bo54b2o318bo10bo12b2o479bobo94b2o3bo100b2o$234bo1273bo100b
obo205b2o59bobo6bo15bobo289b2o7bo201bobo3bo117bobo70bo96b2o98bobo100bo
$114bo1392bo6bobo93b2o200b2o4b2o59b2o7b2o13b2o289b2o8b3o200b2ob2o114bo
3b2o62bo8bobo94bo94bo5b2o97b3o$105bo8bobo1390b3o4b2o100bo195b2o65bo7b
2o15bo297bo204bo3b2o114b2o2bo63b2o6b2o191b2o102bo$93bobo9bobo6b2o1399b
o98b2o584bobo323b2o66b2o105b2o92b2o4b2o98b2o$94b2o5bo3b2o1508b2o195b4o
96bo99bo99bo88b2o9bo401b2o86bo11b2o86bo11b2o86bo11b2o$11bo82bo7b2o
1199bo197bobo12b2o100b2o91bo99bo2bo66bo29bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo299bo
99bo2bo85bob2o7bo2bo85bob2o7bo2bo85bob2o7bo2bo$9b2o90b2o1005bo192b2o
199b2o12bobo91b2o6bobo74b2o3bobo7bobo9bo87bobo3bo3bo61bo27bo2bo96bo2bo
96bo2bo96bo2bo298bobo97bobobo86bobo6bobobo86bobo6bobobo86bobo6bobobo$
10b2o1094bobo193b2o198bo13bo92bobo6bo77b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o86bobo3b2ob2o
60b3o26bob2o96bob2o96bob2o96bob2o93b2o98b2o98b2o3bo2bo16bo74b2o3bo2bob
2o88b2o3bo2bob2o88b2o3bo2bob2o88b2o3bo2bob2o$689bo417b2o500bo85bo5bo7b
o11bobo85bo9b2o88bo99bo99bo99bo97bo99bo99bo2bob2o16b2o75bo2bob2o93bo2b
ob2o93bo2bob2o93bo2bob2o$690b2o607bo214bo92b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b
3o97b3o96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo19bobo73bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo$204bo
99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o78b2o13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o
93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o86bobo4bo208b2o91bo99bo99bo14b3o64b2o16bo99bo99bo
99bo99b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o$202b3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo
91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo
87bo3b3o3bobo87b2o2b3o208bobo90b2o98b2o98b2o13bo65bobo16b2o84b2o12b2o
98b2o98b2o86bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$bo99bo99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92b
o6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo87b3o2bo6bo92bo6bo83bo3b
o11bo99bo99bo99bo11b2o86bo13bo66bo18bo82b3o14bo85bo13bo85bo13bo81b2o2b
2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o
81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$obo5bobo89bo
bo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo
3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o
89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o11bobo75b2ob2o3b3o83bobo3b2ob2o3b
3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o4b4ob
obobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b
4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo$bo6b2o91bobo97bobo97bo
bobo95bobobo95bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bob
obo90b3o2bobobo97bobo85b2o2b2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo
8bobo3bo77b2obobobo87b2o3b2obobobo84b2o2b2o2b2obobobo84b2o4b4obobobo
84b2o4b4obobobo88b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo30b3o51b2o7bo
bobobo84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo$9bo93bo99bo12b3o84bob
ob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o86b2o6bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob
2o94bobob2o89bo4bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o5b
2o87bobob2o84bo9bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o6b3o84b
2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o31bo61b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob
2o$103b2o98b2o11bo86bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85bo7bobobobo92b2obobo
bo92b2obobobo92b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o88bo4b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b
2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o93b2ob
ob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo85bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo35bo59bo3bo95bo3bo95bo
3bo95bo3bo$10b3o204bo86bo3bo12bo82bo3bobo93bo3bobo9bobo81bo3bobo90bo2b
o3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95b
o3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo10bo83bo2b3o94bo2b3o
94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o$10bo310bobo86bo99bo9b2o61bo
26bo91b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o97b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo
2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o
95b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$11bo309b2o87bobo97bob2o7bo60bo27bo
b2o96bob2o96bob2o6b2o279b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o98b
2o98b2o98b2o98b2o100b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$411bobo97bo2bo
67b3o26b2obo96b2obo84b5o7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b4ob2o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b
3o97b3o97b3o9bo87b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o6bobo88b3o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo
2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$412bo99bobo100bobo81bo15bobo80bo5bo10bobo3bo
76bo5bo93bo3bob2o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo
2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo5b2o89bo2bo97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o
$324b2o8b2o177bo6bo95b2o73bo8b2o14b2o81bob3o12b2o73bo7bob3o94b2o104b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o7bo90b3o94b3o97b3o
97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$323b2o9bobo74b2o106b2o62b3o105b2o6b2o97b2obo
10b2o78b2o4b2obo980b2o105bo10b2o99b3o97b3o96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo
95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo$202b3o120bo8bo75bobo106bobo61bo15b3o88bobo118bob
o77b2o990b2o105b2o8bobo19bo2bo74bo2bo3bo7bo84bo3bo96b4o96b4o96b4o96b4o
96b4o96b4o96b4o$204bo207bo95bo75bo14bo99bo113bo95bo87bo9bo874bo106b2o
9bo20bo79b2o4bobo5bobo83b4o$11b3o189bo117b2o185b2o6b3o81bo98b2o208bobo
85b2o7b2o989b2o22bo3bo81b2o6b2o186b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$
11bo309bobo183bobo8bo179bobo208b2o85bobo7bobo987bobo22b4o178b2o98b2o
98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$12bo308bo195bo290bo565b3o621bo115bo88b
2o$808b2o94bo471bo627b2o107b2o$319b2o486bobo93b2o99b3o368bo628bobo106b
obo287bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$318bobo379b3o200bobo100bo997bo7bo289bo98b
obo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo$320bo381bo210b2o81b3o6bo1005b2o287bo
bo3bo92bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o$231b2o468bo211bo
bo82bo8b3o981bo19bobo83b2o7b2o188bo4b2o2b2o93b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
98b2o$196b2o32b2o655b3o15b2o6bo83bo9bo983b2o105b2o5b2o189b2o7bobo92bo
99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$197b2o33bo656bo2b2o11bobo100bo981bobo3b2o99bo9bo
187bobo$196bo691bo4b2o10bo1089bobo401b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$892b
o1104bo401b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$228b3o$228bo339b3o$229bo340bo$
569bo1724bo$2294b2o$2293bobo!


Here is the second one, which doesn't follow the rules of the game, but just shows a more efficient route of getting to the same oscillator:

x = 2121, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
2109bobo$2110b2o$2110bo2$2107b3o$2109bo$2102bo5bo$2103b2o$2102b2o$
1620bo487bo$1618b2o488b2o$306bo1312b2o486bobo$305bo1505bobo185bo112b3o
$305b3o1406bo96b2o187bo111bo$1016bo408bo289b2o83bo11bo185b3o4bo107bo$
1014bobo406b2o289b2o74bo7bobo204bobo$917bo97b2o74bo332b2o179bobo116bob
o64bo7b2o204b2o$916bo175bo513b2o116b2o63b3o2bobo8bo$916b3o158bo12b3o
329bo183bo118bo69b2o6bobo193bo$1078b2o340b2o373bo8b2o193bobo$1077b2o
318bo10bo12b2o479bobo94b2o3bo100b2o$911bo169bobo6bo15bobo289b2o7bo201b
obo3bo117bobo70bo96b2o98bobo100bo$910bo6bobo162b2o7b2o13b2o289b2o8b3o
200b2ob2o114bo3b2o62bo8bobo94bo94bo5b2o97b3o$910b3o4b2o163bo7b2o15bo
297bo204bo3b2o114b2o2bo63b2o6b2o191b2o102bo$918bo103bo380bobo323b2o66b
2o105b2o92b2o4b2o98b2o$1022bobo90bo99bo99bo88b2o9bo401b2o86bo11b2o86bo
11b2o86bo11b2o$904bobo12b2o101b2o60bo29bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo299bo99bo
2bo85bob2o7bo2bo85bob2o7bo2bo85bob2o7bo2bo$211bo693b2o12bobo91b2o70bo
27bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo298bobo97bobobo86bobo6bobobo86bobo6bobobo
86bobo6bobobo$209bobo693bo13bo92bobo4b3o61b3o26bob2o96bob2o96bob2o96bo
b2o93b2o98b2o98b2o3bo2bo16bo74b2o3bo2bob2o88b2o3bo2bob2o88b2o3bo2bob2o
88b2o3bo2bob2o$210b2o180bo310bobo306bo6bo92bo99bo99bo99bo97bo99bo99bo
2bob2o16b2o75bo2bob2o93bo2bob2o93bo2bob2o93bo2bob2o$2bo390b2o306bobobo
bo209bo92b3o7bo89b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo19bobo73bo3bo
95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo$3bo208b2o178b2o308b2ob2o5b2o202b2o91bo81b2o16bo
99bo99bo99bo99b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o$b3o119bo87bobo497bobo
202bobo90b2o79bobo16b2o84b2o12b2o98b2o98b2o86bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99b
o$104bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo83bo3bo11bo99bo
99bo80bo18bo82b3o14bo85bo13bo85bo13bo81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob
2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b
2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$5bo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bo
bo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2o
b2o3b3o83bobo3b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b
2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b
2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo$
3b2o99bobo97bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo85b2o2b
2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo87b2o3b2obobobo84b2o2b2o2b2obobobo84b2o
4b4obobobo84b2o4b4obobobo88b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo30b
3o51b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo$2o2b2o2b2o
96bo12b3o84bobob2o86b2o6bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94b
obob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o84bo9bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bo
bob2o6b3o84b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o31bo61b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obo
b2o93b2obob2o$b2o5bobo95b2o5b2o4bo86bobob2o86bo7bobob2o93b2obob2o93b2o
bob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o
93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo85bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo35bo59bo3bo95bo
3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo$o7bo105b2o4bo86bo99bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95b
o3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo10bo83bo2b3o94bo2b3o
94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o$113bo172bo118b2o97b3o97b2ob2o
94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o
95b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$285bo418b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b
2o98b2o98b2o100b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$285b3o214b5o95b4ob2o
97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o6bobo88b3o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo
2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$402bo98bo5bo93bo3bob2o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo
96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo5b2o89bo2bo97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o
97b3o$394bo8b2o89bo7bob3o94b2o104b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o7bo
90b3o94b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$286b3o105b2o6b2o91b2o4b2obo
580b2o105bo10b2o99b3o97b3o96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo
95bo3bo$286bo15b3o88bobo98b2o590b2o105b2o8bobo19bo2bo74bo2bo3bo7bo84bo
3bo96b4o96b4o96b4o96b4o96b4o96b4o96b4o$287bo14bo99bo109bo87bo9bo474bo
106b2o9bo20bo79b2o4bobo5bobo83b4o$125b2o176bo98b2o108bobo85b2o7b2o589b
2o22bo3bo81b2o6b2o186b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$125bobo273bobo
108b2o85bobo7bobo587bobo22b4o178b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
$125bo651b3o421bo115bo88b2o$507bo271bo427b2o107b2o$506b2o99b3o168bo
428bobo106bobo287bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$403b3o100bobo100bo597bo7bo289b
o98bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo$405bo110b2o81b3o6bo605b2o287bobo
3bo92bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o95bo2b2o$404bo111bobo82bo8b
3o581bo19bobo83b2o7b2o188bo4b2o2b2o93b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$490b
3o15b2o6bo83bo9bo583b2o105b2o5b2o189b2o7bobo92bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$
492bo2b2o11bobo100bo581bobo3b2o99bo9bo187bobo$491bo4b2o10bo689bobo401b
2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$495bo704bo401b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
2$271b3o$273bo$272bo1224bo$1497b2o$1496bobo!


The boat-bit dvgrn posted also seems to be missing from the OP.
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Re: The converter game

Postby dvgrn » July 22nd, 2017, 1:57 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Here is the second one, which doesn't follow the rules of the game, but just shows a more efficient route of getting to the same oscillator...

Aha, I knew that pre-TL+block step looked a little too expensive! The seventh step in the first recipe / fourth step in the second recipe can be reduced by one glider -- thank you, Seeds of Destruction Game:

x = 43, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
6$17bo$16bo$16b3o9$20bo6bo$19bobo3b3o$13bobo4bobobo$14b2o6bobob2o$14bo
7bobob2o$23bo$2bo$bo$b3o3$2b3o$2bo15b3o$3bo14bo$19bo!

Another optional challenge: what's the best way to turn the current oscillator into a single unpartitionable object?

Right now there's one weak connection; the pattern can be partitioned into [blocker, everything-but-blocker]. Destroying the blocker and shooting down the offending weakly-connecting block seems a little too obvious, unless there's a way to turn it into a big still life or something, all in one step.

EDIT if I'm not too late: What's the best way to add an inducting table these days? Maybe the far side of the blocker can eventually be built up to connect with some other branch of the oscillator. I'm probably far behind the times with this recipe:

x = 82, y = 96, rule = B3/S23
2bo5bo$obo6bo$b2o4b3o9$74bo$72b3o$71bo$71b2o7$66b2o3b2o$66b2o3b2o$67b
5o$68bobo2$68b3o5$66b2o$67bo$64b3o$64bo$65b2o$66bo11b2o$27bobo36bob2o
7bo2bo$28b2o37bobo6bobobo$28bo41b2o3bo2bob2o$71bo2bob2o$70bo3bo$70b5o$
58b2o$54b2obo2bob2ob2o3b3o$54b2o2bo4bobobobo3bo$59bo7bobobobo$60bobo3b
2obob2o$65bo3bo$23bobo38bo2b3o$24b2o39b2o$24bo42b3o$67bo2bo$35b2o31b3o
$35bobo27b3o$35bo28bo3bo$65b4o$30bo$30b2o35b2o$29bobo35b2o3$66b3o$32b
2o31bo$31bobo30b2o2bo$33bo30bobo3$63b2o$63b2o18$3b3o$5bo$4bo4$5b3o$7bo
$6bo!
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