## The converter game

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### Re: The converter game

Something highly noobish since I'm not familiar with converters and the like:

x = 34, y = 29, rule = B3/S2320bo11bo$21bo9bo$19b2o10b3o2$28bo$28bobo$28b2o4$22bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4b2o12bo$4o4b2ob2o3b3o$3ob2o2b2obobobo$5bo7bobob2o$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b2o!
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Just use this:

x = 27, y = 22, rule = B3/S2324bo$24bobo$24b2o$22bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4b2o12bo$4o4b2ob2o3b3o$3ob2o2b2obobobo$5bo7bobob2o$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b2o! gmc_nxtman Posts: 1147 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm ### Re: The converter game gmc_nxtman wrote:Just use this... Hmm, I suppose that object technically hasn't been seen before, now that there's a blocker stuck on the block. But it does seem to run counter to the spirit-of-the-rules idea of "making progress". (There are more rules in the first post than there used to be -- apparently there's no rule that you can't change the rules after you start the game...!) dvgrn Moderator Posts: 5344 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: The converter game dvgrn wrote: gmc_nxtman wrote:Just use this... Hmm, I suppose that object technically hasn't been seen before, now that there's a blocker stuck on the block. But it does seem to run counter to the spirit-of-the-rules idea of "making progress". (There are more rules in the first post than there used to be -- apparently there's no rule that you can't change the rules after you start the game...!) I guess it isn't really making progress, I was just pointing out a smaller method of muzik's component. However, I think something else should be used anyway, as it is pretty counter-productive. gmc_nxtman Posts: 1147 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm ### Re: The converter game I really need to familiarise myself more with the glider synthesis stuff. Anyways, let's forget about my stupidity and move on. Bored of using the Moore neighbourhood for everything? Introducing the Range-2 von Neumann isotropic non-totalistic rulespace! muzik Posts: 3249 Joined: January 28th, 2016, 2:47 pm Location: Scotland ### Re: The converter game muzik wrote:I really need to familiarise myself more with the glider synthesis stuff. It definitely seems like black magic at first (and I'm still no good at it myself, so I shouldn't talk). But just start by looking in places like the various N-bit synthesis threads, and find a stage in some construction that modifies a shape that matches one of the protruding ends of the current target. Speaking of which, the rules don't seem to say that we have to use only gliders in these converers -- x = 38, y = 34, rule = B3/S2324bo$23bobo$22bo2bo$21bob2o$21bo$19b3o$18bo$4b2o12b2o$3b3o14bo$2bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o$2b2o2b2o2b2obobobo$6b2o7bobob2o$14b2obob2o$13bo3bo$12bo2b3o$13b2o$15b3o$15bo2bo$16b2o$2bo10bo$obo9b2o21b2o$b2o9bobo19b4o$9bo23b2ob2o$9b2o23b2o$8bobo$17bo$16b2o$16bobo$23b3o$23bo$2b3o19bo$4bo3bo$3bo4b2o$7bobo!

-- so I suppose it's technically okay to throw let's say a lobster into the mix, even if we don't actually know how to synthesize those. Unless the rules are amended quickly enough to disallow that, of course...

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### Re: The converter game

dvgrn wrote:Speaking of which, the rules don't seem to say that we have to use only gliders in these converers --

...

-- so I suppose it's technically okay to throw let's say a lobster into the mix, even if we don't actually know how to synthesize those. Unless the rules are amended quickly enough to disallow that, of course...

How about just allowing standard spaceships?

x = 28, y = 32, rule = B3/S2322bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4bo13bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo$4b2o7bobob2o$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o6bobo$13bo2bo5b2o$14b2o7bo$11b3o$10bo2bo3bo7bo$11b2o4bobo5bobo$17b2o6b2o2$24bo$23b2o$23bobo3$7b2o7b2o$8b2o5b2o$7bo9bo!

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### Re: The converter game

Hopefully this isn't cheating:
x = 33, y = 36, rule = B3/S2332bo$30b2o$31b2o2$29bo$27b2o$4bo10bo12b2o$5b2o7bo$4b2o8b3o$12bo$10bobo$11b2o9bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4bo13bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo$4b2o7bobob2o6b3o$12b2obob2o6bo$11bo3bo10bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o! x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1731 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 ### Re: The converter game A for awesome wrote:Hopefully this isn't cheating: x = 33, y = 36, rule = B3/S2332bo$30b2o$31b2o2$29bo$27b2o$4bo10bo12b2o$5b2o7bo$4b2o8b3o$12bo$10bobo$11b2o9bo$21bobo$20bo2bo$19bob2o$19bo$17b3o$16bo$16b2o$4bo13bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo$4b2o7bobob2o6b3o$12b2obob2o6bo$11bo3bo10bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o!

I don't think it should be - it's definitely progress, and an interesting component IMO.

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### Re: The converter game

dvgrn wrote:There are more rules in the first post than there used to be -- apparently there's no rule that you can't change the rules after you start the game...!

Sorry about all the rule changing. However, I think they're all justified (?). I added the "glider-constructible spaceships only" rule, and hopefully that will be the last should-be rule that I miss.

As atonement for my rule changing sins, I decided to make one massive synthesis of the thread so far. It didn't work for two reasons.

1) chris_c's incremental synthesis to full synthesis wasn't working properly (I've had problems with it before)
2) I discovered that a converter posted by A for Awesome didn't work when rewinded:

x = 57, y = 32, rule = B3/S239bo4b2o33bo4b2o$7b3o3bobo31b3o3bobo$6bo6bo32bo6bo$5bobo3b3o31bobo3b3o$6bobobo35bobobo$8bobob2o34bobob2o$7b2obob2o33b2obob2o$6bo2bo36bo2bo$6b3o37b3o2$4b5o35b5o$3bo5bo33bo5bo$4bob3o35bob3o$3b2obo36b2obo$38bo$5bo33b2o$o3b2o32b2o$b2obobo40bo$2o44b2o$46bobo$6b3o$b2o3bo6b2o$2b2o3bo4b2o34b3o$bo12bo24b2o7bo6b2o$40b2o7bo4b2o$39bo16bo2$8bo$7b2o$7bobo40bo$49b2o$49bobo! I managed to make a more expensive but working version: x = 29, y = 28, rule = B3/S2317bo4b2o$15b3o3bobo$14bo6bo$13bobo3b3o$14bobobo$16bobob2o$15b2obob2o$14bo2bo$14b3o2$12b5o$11bo5bo$4bo7bob3o$5b2o4b2obo$4b2o$22bo$22bobo$22b2o2$17bo$16b2o$16bobo$26b2o$26bobo$3o15b2o6bo$2bo2b2o11bobo$bo4b2o10bo$5bo!

Here's the pattern I was using to make a full synthesis with in case anyone else want's to have a go (separation: 100):

x = 3724, y = 53, rule = 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Turning the whole thing into an p24 oscillator:

x = 36, y = 43, rule = B3/S2321b2o$22bo$21bo3bo$21b5o$9b2o2bo$5b2o2b2o3bob2o3b3o$5b2o7bobobobo3bo$10b4o4bobobobo$17b2obob2o$16bo3bo$15bo2b3o$16b2o$18b3o$18bo2bo$19b3o$2bo13b3o16bo$obo12bo3bo7bo5b2o$b2o13b4o6bo7b2o$26b3o$18b2o$18b2o$7bo7bo$8b2o6bo$7b2o5b3o$o$b2o$2o16bo12b2o$11b3o2bobo11b2o$13bo3b2o13bo$12bo10b2o$6b3o13b2o$8bo15bo$7bo4$27bo$21b3o2b2o$21bo4bobo$22bo$4b3o$6bo$5bo! Things to work on: • Work on the snowflakes orthogonoid Goldtiger997 Posts: 489 Joined: June 21st, 2016, 8:00 am Location: 11.329903°N 142.199305°E ### Re: The converter game Goldtiger997 wrote:Turning the whole thing into an p24 oscillator: x = 36, y = 43, rule = B3/S2321b2o$22bo$21bo3bo$21b5o$9b2o2bo$5b2o2b2o3bob2o3b3o$5b2o7bobobobo3bo$10b4o4bobobobo$17b2obob2o$16bo3bo$15bo2b3o$16b2o$18b3o$18bo2bo$19b3o$2bo13b3o16bo$obo12bo3bo7bo5b2o$b2o13b4o6bo7b2o$26b3o$18b2o$18b2o$7bo7bo$8b2o6bo$7b2o5b3o$o$b2o$2o16bo12b2o$11b3o2bobo11b2o$13bo3b2o13bo$12bo10b2o$6b3o13b2o$8bo15bo$7bo4$27bo$21b3o2b2o$21bo4bobo$22bo$4b3o$6bo$5bo!

It's still p8, right? Unless blocker somehow turned into a p6 while I wasn't looking...
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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### Re: The converter game

Goldtiger997 wrote:1) chris_c's incremental synthesis to full synthesis wasn't working properly (I've had problems with it before)...
Here's the pattern I was using to make a full synthesis with in case anyone else want's to have a go (separation: 100)

Huh, interesting. You're right -- the script output is very strange for that input pattern. I can get the first part of the construction to work by dropping the initial tub in the right place, but after that the spacing gets really unreasonable and the recipe doesn't work (for reasons I haven't tried to sort out yet):

x = 8338, y = 8336, rule = 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It's kind of a relief that the script isn't working, actually, because it took several hours to produce this result. With any luck it will work a lot faster when it's not confused.

If my guess is right, what's confusing it is the Niemiec-style reference objects interspersed (in all but one case) with the construction recipes. There's also one point where there are two identical reference objects in a row. More soon --

EDIT: No luck yet. In fact, I ended up with a weird crash-and-exit in Golly, which now I'll have to see if I can reproduce. Here's the incremental pattern with my attempted fixes:

x = 1814, y = 53, rule = B3/S23603bo993bobo$602bo995b2o$602b3o993bo3bo$1603b2o$1602b2o3bo16bo$1414bo193b2o12b2o164bo$1413bo193b2o14b2o164bo$1413b3o106bo185bobo63bo12b3o$233bobo1284b2o187b2o64b2o$233b2o1286b2o186bo9bo54b2o$234bo1173bo308b2o59bobo6bo15bobo$114bo1292bo6bobo295b2o4b2o59b2o7b2o13b2o$105bo8bobo1290b3o4b2o99bo196b2o65bo7b2o15bo$93bobo9bobo6b2o1299bo97bobo$94b2o5bo3b2o1407b2ob3o192b4o96bo$11bo82bo7b2o1099bo197bobo12b2o99bo93bo99bo2bo66bo29bobo$9b2o90b2o1098b2o199b2o12bobo91b2o6bo76b2o3bobo7bobo9bo87bobo3bo3bo61bo27bo2bo$10b2o1190b2o198bo13bo92bobo84b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o86bobo3b2ob2o60b3o26bob2o$689bo819bo85bo5bo7bo11bobo85bo9b2o88bo$690b2o507bo214bo92b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$204bo99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o78b2o13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o86bobo4bo208b2o91bo99bo99bo14b3o64b2o16bo$202b3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87bo3b3o3bobo87b2o2b3o208bobo90b2o15b2o81b2o98b2o13bo65bobo16b2o$bo99bo99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo87b3o2bo6bo92bo6bo83bo3bo11bo99bo99bo13b2o84bo11b2o86bo13bo66bo18bo$obo5bobo89bobo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o15bo73b2ob2o3b3o11bobo75b2ob2o3b3o83bobo3b2ob2o3b3o$bo6b2o91bobo97bobo97bobobo95bobobo95bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo90b3o2bobobo97bobo85b2o2b2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo8bobo3bo77b2obobobo87b2o3b2obobobo$9bo93bo99bo12b3o84bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o86b2o6bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o89bo4bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o5b2o87bobob2o84bo9bobob2o$103b2o98b2o11bo86bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85bo7bobobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obob2o93b2obob2o88bo4b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o$10b3o204bo86bo3bo95bo3bobo93bo3bobo9bobo81bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo$10bo399bo99bo9b2o61bo26bo91b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o97b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o$11bo398bobo97bob2o7bo60bo27bob2o96bob2o96bob2o6b2o279b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o98b2o$411bobo97bo2bo67b3o26b2obo96b2obo84b5o7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b4ob2o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o9bo87b3o97b3o$412bo99bobo100bobo81bo15bobo80bo5bo10bobo3bo76bo5bo93bo3bob2o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$513bo6bo95b2o73bo8b2o14b2o81bob3o12b2o73bo7bob3o94b2o104b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$311b3o97b2o106b2o62b3o105b2o6b2o97b2obo10b2o78b2o4b2obo880b2o$202b3o102b2o2bo98bobo106bobo61bo15b3o88bobo118bobo77b2o890b2o$204bo101b2o4bo99bo95bo75bo14bo99bo113bo95bo87bo9bo774bo$11b3o189bo104bo199b2o6b3o81bo98b2o208bobo85b2o7b2o$11bo292b2o201bobo8bo179bobo208b2o85bobo7bobo$12bo290bobo211bo290bo$305bo14bo487b2o94bo$319b2o486bobo93b2o99b3o$314b3o2bobo378b3o200bobo100bo$314bo387bo210b2o81b3o6bo$231b2o82bo13b3o369bo211bobo82bo8b3o$196b2o32b2o72b2o23bo557b3o15b2o6bo83bo9bo$197b2o33bo72b2o23bo558bo2b2o11bobo100bo$196bo107bo583bo4b2o10bo$892bo$228b3o$228bo339b3o$229bo101b2o237bo$331bobo235bo$331bo!

EDIT2: Ah, found the problem I think. One of the spacings was 110 instead of 100. More soon again.

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### Re: The converter game

I managed to fix the problem, by fixing a few errors in the synthesis, and selecting the whole pattern (which I've edited into my first post) with about 50 cells of spacing around it.

x = 4498, y = 4496, rule = B3/S2313bobo$bo12b2o$2bo11bo$3o$6bo7bo4480bo$4bobo8bo4479bobo$5b2o6b3o4479b2o4$6bobo$7b2o$7bo5$20bo$18bobo$19b2o110$164bo$162bobo$163b2o4217bo$4381bo$4381b3o5$4383bo$4382bo$4382b3o110$281bo$279bobo$280b2o3bo$286bo$284b3o3bo3968bo$291bo3966bo$289b3o3966b3o10$4236bo$4236bobo$4236b2o6$4250bo$4250bobo$4250b2o109$4129bo$4128bo$4128b3o3$424bo$425b2o$424b2o120$3993bobo$3993b2o$3994bo3$3987bobo4bo$3987b2o5bobo$3988bo5b2o2$541bo$539bobo$540b2o133$657bo3189bo$658b2o3186bo$657b2o3187b3o119$3726bo$3725bo$3725b3o2$792bo$793b2o$792b2o128$918bobo$919b2o$919bo121$1057bo$1058b2o$1057b2o270$1298bo$1299bo$1297b3o$3222bo$3220b2o$3221b2o237$1552bo$1553bo$1551b3o11$1562bo$1563bo$1561b3o96$2830bobo$2830b2o$2831bo21$1686bo$1684bobo$1685b2o3$2810bobo$2810b2o$2811bo124$2720bo$2720bobo$2720b2o363$2349bo$2349bobo$2349b2o6$2325bo$2316bo8bobo$2200bobo113bobo6b2o$2201b2o5bo107b2o$2201bo7b2o$2208b2o$2320bo14bobo$2318b2o15b2o$2319b2o15bo6$2317bobo$2317b2o$2318bo47$2260bo$2259bobo$2260bo53$2319b3o$2319bo$2320bo2$2333bo$2332b2o$2332bobo3$2320b3o$2320bo$2321bo2$2205bo$2205b2o$2204bobo8$2346b3o$2198b3o145bo$2200bo146bo$2199bo$2345bo$2344b2o$2344bobo111$2456bo$2455b2o$2450b3o2bobo$2450bo$2451bo$2078b2o$2079b2o$2078bo384b2o$2459bo3bobo$2458b2o3bo$2458bobo13bo$2473b2o$2078b3o392bobo$2080bo$2079bo4$2475b2o$2474b2o$2476bo109$1957b2o$1958b2o$1957bo125$2719b2o$2719bobo$2719bo$1826b2o7bo$1825bobo7b2o$1827bo6bobo123$2812bo$2811b2o15bo$2811bobo13b2o$2827bobo13$1659bo$1659b2o$1658bobo110$1553b2o$1552bobo$1554bo$1561b2o$1560bobo$1562bo3$1563bo$1563b2o$1562bobo115$3103b3o$3103bo$3104bo2$1446b2o$1447b2o$1446bo3$1442b2o$1441bobo$1443bo127$3215b2o$3215bobo$3215bo$3225b2o$1294bo1929b2o$1294b2o1921b2o7bo$1293bobo2b3o1915b2o$1300bo1917bo$1299bo116$1175b2o2169b2o$1174bobo2169bobo$1176bo2169bo2$1183bo$1183b2o$1175bo6bobo$1175b2o2171bo$1174bobo2170b2o$3347bobo235$919bo$919b2o$918bobo268$641bo$641b2o$640bobo104$3996b2o$3995b2o$3997bo2$3993b2o$3993bobo$3993bo120$4126bo$4125b2o$4125bobo6$4130b3o$4130bo$4131bo121$277b3o3977b2o$279bo3977bobo$278bo3978bo4$4256b2o$4255b2o$4257bo4$297b3o$299bo$298bo117$4386bo$4385b2o$4385bobo127$14b2o$15b2o$14bo4$16b2o$15bobo$17bo5$8b3o$10bo$9bo![[ STEP 50 ZOOM 10 X 10 ]] Unfortunately, It still has weird spacing. Things to work on: • Work on the snowflakes orthogonoid Goldtiger997 Posts: 489 Joined: June 21st, 2016, 8:00 am Location: 11.329903°N 142.199305°E ### Re: The converter game Goldtiger997 wrote:I managed to fix the problem, by fixing a few errors in the synthesis, and selecting the whole pattern (which I've edited into my first post) with about 50 cells of spacing around it. ... Unfortunately, It still has weird spacing. It's easy enough to do a rough optimization by hand -- x = 485, y = 475, rule = B3/S2314bo$15b2o$2bo11b2o$obo$b2o3bo468bo$7bo7bo458bo$5b3o5bobo458b3o$14b2o3$7bo$8b2o$7b2o37bo$47b2o$46b2o$478bobo$478b2o$20bo458bo$21bo26bo$19b3o27b2o$48b2o$52bobo$53b2o424bobo$53bo3bobo410bobo6b2o$58b2o410b2o8bo$58bo412bo9$449bo$447b2o$448b2o6$463bo$461b2o$462b2o8$442bobo$442b2o$443bo2$91bo$92bo$90b3o4$424bo$422b2o$423b2o3$418bo5bo$416b2o5bo$417b2o4b3o2$91bo$92bo$90b3o4$77bobo326bo$78b2o326bobo$78bo327b2o3$401bo$401bobo$401b2o2$96bobo$97b2o$97bo2$99bo$100bo$98b3o2$117bo$118b2o$117b2o29$117bo$115bobo$116b2o$382bobo$382b2o$383bo12$146bo$147bo$145b3o11$156bo$157bo$155b3o5$307bo$306bo$306b3o22$188bobo$189b2o$189bo2$287bo$286bo$286b3o6$315bo$314bo$314b3o18$289bo$289bobo$289b2o6$265bo$256bo8bobo$240bobo13bobo6b2o$241b2o5bo7b2o$241bo7b2o$248b2o$260bo14bobo$258b2o15b2o$259b2o15bo5$250bo$249bobo5bobo$250bo6b2o$258bo2$259b3o$259bo$260bo2$273bo$272b2o$272bobo3$260b3o$260bo$261bo2$245bo$245b2o$244bobo8$286b3o$238b3o45bo$240bo46bo$239bo$285bo$284b2o$284bobo4$287b3o$283b2o2bo$282b2o4bo$284bo$226b2o$225bobo$227bo68bo$295b2o$290b3o2bobo$290bo$291bo13b3o$226b2o77bo$227b2o77bo$226bo$219b2o$218bobo$220bo$307b2o$307bobo3b3o$307bo5bo$314bo$211b3o6b2o$213bo7b2o$212bo7bo5$287b3o$287bo15b3o$288bo14bo$304bo10$165b3o$167bo$166bo22$147b2o$146bobo$148bo$155b2o$154bobo$156bo3$157bo$157b2o$156bobo4$380bo$379b2o$379bobo3$150b3o$152bo$151bo3$146b2o$147b2o$146bo13$376b3o$376bo$377bo9bo$386b2o$112b2o265bo6bobo$113b2o2b2o259b2o$112bo3bobo259bobo$98b3o17bo$100bo$99bo2$426bo$425b2o$104bo293bo26bobo$104b2o291b2o$103bobo291bobo$422b3o$422bo$111b3o309bo$113bo$103b3o6bo$105bo292b3o$104bo293bo40b2o$399bo39bobo$439bo5$445bo$444b2o$444bobo5$61b2o$62b2o$61bo12$46bo$46b2o421b2o$45bobo420b2o$470bo4$467b3o$467bo$468bo3$66bo$66b2o$65bobo3$482b2o$482bobo$482bo9$15bo$15b2o$14bobo5$16b3o$18bo$17bo4$9b2o$8bobo$10bo!

-- but there are several more converters to be added to the first post. I'll see if I can get the script's spacing optimization working again now.

EDIT: Yup, the problem was what I was guessing it was: you didn't start the construction with empty space, and the script isn't clever enough to find the initial target tub and put it in the right place. So what the script was optimizing was the mess that the recipe builds in the absence of the initial tub... and, well, that doesn't optimize very well, but the script did its best.

All I had to do was add a tub synthesis at the beginning of the series, and the script started working at a reasonable speed again:

x = 2962, y = 519, rule = 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Re: "with about 50 cells of spacing around it" -- that is definitely another user-unfriendly weakness of the current script, which could be fixed pretty easily with some clever little subroutine to pre-analyze the selected pattern. You actually only need about 50 cells of spacing to the left -- the other boundaries can be tight. More accurately, the left boundary of the selection should be N cells to the left of where you want the next boundary to be, and k*N cells from the rest of the boundaries. If you signal the wrong boundary location, the script will happily chop most of your incremental recipes in half, assigning gliders to the wrong increment. Again, it shouldn't be too terribly hard to make this all automatic. The script could guess at a spacing and report the guess back to the user, instead of having to ask for a number. dvgrn Moderator Posts: 5344 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: The converter game Oops, didn't mean for the tangent about chris_c's recipe-compiling script to kill the thread. How about gmc_nxtman's 4-glider high-clearance loaf-adding component next? x = 28, y = 50, rule = B3/S2327bo$25b2o$26b2o5$12bobo$13b2o$13bo3$16bobo3bo$17b2ob2o$17bo3b2o5$16b2o$17bo$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!

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### Re: The converter game

Thanks! Here's a bent tail-adding component, found via catagolue:

x = 57, y = 50, rule = B3/S2318bo$19bo$17b3o$35bo$35bobo$35b2o3$44bo$33bo10bobo$34bo9b2o$32b3o6$23bo$22bobo$16b2o3bo2bo$17bo2bob2o$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo39b2o$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o25bobo$2o4b4obobobo3bo24bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o39bo$11b2o41b2o$13b3o38bobo$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!

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### Re: The converter game

dvgrn wrote:Oops, didn't mean for the tangent about chris_c's recipe-compiling script to kill the thread.

No I think it was my fault with all the rule changing. Sorry.

x = 32, y = 47, rule = B3/S2322bobo$22b2o$11bo11bo$bo7bobo$2bo7b2o$3o2bobo8bo$6b2o6bobo$6bo8b2o2$17bo$8bo8bobo$9b2o6b2o$8b2o$28b2o$27bo2bo$26bobobo$20b2o3bo2bob2o$21bo2bob2o$20bo3bo$20b5o$8bo$4b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$4b2o4b4obobobo3bo$8b2o7bobobobo$16b2obob2o$15bo3bo$14bo2b3o$15b2o$17b3o$17bo2bo$18b3o$15b3o$14bo3bo$15b4o2$17b2o$17b2o3$17bo$15bobo$13bo2b2o$14b2o$14bo2$13b2o$13b2o! Things to work on: • Work on the snowflakes orthogonoid Goldtiger997 Posts: 489 Joined: June 21st, 2016, 8:00 am Location: 11.329903°N 142.199305°E ### Re: The converter game Goldtiger997 wrote:... add hook with tail: Huh, nobody has contributed a simple boat-bit yet. That latest addition makes a nice platform: x = 28, y = 40, rule = B3/S2310bo$11bo$9b3o3$11b2o$12bo11b2o$12bob2o7bo2bo$13bobo6bobobo$16b2o3bo2bob2o$17bo2bob2o$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!

This reminds me that there's an alternate single-glider case similar to a boat-bit catch, where the still life acts as a rock and the glider's cells get frozen into an addition to the still life. It showed up in an email message by Heinrich Koenig on International Talk Like A Pirate Day 2005, but was rumored to be known to David Buckingham long before that:

x = 9, y = 11, rule = B3/S237bo$6bo$6b3o$b2o$bo$2bo$obo$2ob2o$3bo$3bobo$4b2o!

That also reminds me of another single-glider conversion reaction that I stumbled on last year. Not sure if it's worth remembering or not, but here it is:

x = 11, y = 12, rule = B3/S232o$o$b3o$3bo$b2o6bo$o7bo$b4o3b3o$4bo$b2o$bo$2bo$b2o! Would anyone care to contribute a recipe to attach a structure that's compatible with either of those conversions? dvgrn Moderator Posts: 5344 Joined: May 17th, 2009, 11:00 pm Location: Madison, WI ### Re: The converter game I don't know of any way to add those particular components, but an eater head should make the next component easy: x = 28, y = 47, rule = B3/S236bo$7bo$5b3o4bo$12bobo$12b2o2$6bo$6bobo$6b2o3bo$10bobo$5bo5b2o$6b2o$5b2o4b2o$12bo11b2o$12bob2o7bo2bo$13bobo6bobobo$16b2o3bo2bob2o$17bo2bob2o$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!

EDIT: There's no rule about optimizing the syntheses, but the newest Coe's p8 synthesis reduces one of the previous converters (block to Coe's p8 is doable in at most 5G) Here's all converters, including the optimized Coe's p8 from 4G (Goldtiger should judge if components should be optimized)

x = 2718, y = 56, rule = B3/S232417bo$2415b2o$603bo1093bobo716b2o$602bo1095b2o908bobo85bo$602b3o1093bo3bo808bo96b2o87bo$1703b2o517bo289b2o83bo11bo85b3o4bo$1702b2o3bo16bo495b2o289b2o74bo7bobo104bobo$1514bo193b2o12b2o164bo332b2o179bobo116bobo64bo7b2o104b2o$1513bo193b2o14b2o164bo513b2o116b2o63b3o2bobo8bo$1513b3o106bo185bobo63bo12b3o329bo183bo118bo69b2o6bobo93bo$233bobo1384b2o187b2o64b2o340b2o373bo8b2o93bobo$233b2o1386b2o186bo9bo54b2o318bo10bo12b2o476b2o3bo$234bo1273bo308b2o59bobo6bo15bobo289b2o7bo201bobo3bo117bobo70bo96bobo$114bo1392bo6bobo295b2o4b2o59b2o7b2o13b2o289b2o8b3o200b2ob2o114bo3b2o62bo8bobo89bo5b2o$105bo8bobo1390b3o4b2o99bo196b2o65bo7b2o15bo297bo204bo3b2o114b2o2bo63b2o6b2o91b2o$93bobo9bobo6b2o1399bo97bobo584bobo323b2o66b2o99b2o4b2o$94b2o5bo3b2o1507b2ob3o192b4o96bo99bo99bo88b2o9bo401b2o86bo11b2o$11bo82bo7b2o1199bo197bobo12b2o99bo93bo99bo2bo66bo29bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo299bo99bo2bo85bob2o7bo2bo$9b2o90b2o1005bo192b2o199b2o12bobo91b2o6bo76b2o3bobo7bobo9bo87bobo3bo3bo61bo27bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo298bobo97bobobo86bobo6bobobo$10b2o1094bobo193b2o198bo13bo92bobo84b2o2b2o7bobo9b2o86bobo3b2ob2o60b3o26bob2o96bob2o96bob2o96bob2o93b2o98b2o98b2o3bo2bo16bo74b2o3bo2bob2o88b2o3bo2bob2o$689bo417b2o500bo85bo5bo7bo11bobo85bo9b2o88bo99bo99bo99bo97bo99bo99bo2bob2o16b2o75bo2bob2o93bo2bob2o$690b2o607bo214bo92b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo19bobo73bo3bo95bo3bo$204bo99bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o78b2o13bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o93bo4b2o86bo6bo4b2o86bobo4bo208b2o91bo99bo99bo14b3o64b2o16bo99bo99bo99bo99b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o95b5o$202b3o15bo81b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo91b3o3bobo87bo3b3o3bobo87b2o2b3o208bobo90b2o15b2o81b2o98b2o13bo65bobo16b2o84b2o12b2o98b2o98b2o86bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$bo99bo99bo17bo81bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo92bo6bo87b3o2bo6bo92bo6bo83bo3bo11bo99bo99bo13b2o84bo11b2o86bo13bo66bo18bo82b3o14bo85bo13bo85bo13bo81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$obo5bobo89bobo97bobo16b3o78bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o91bobo3b3o92b2o3b3o81bobob2o5b2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o89b2ob2o3b3o15bo73b2ob2o3b3o11bobo75b2ob2o3b3o83bobo3b2ob2o3b3o81bobo2bo2b2ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o81b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo80b2o4b4obobobo3bo$bo6b2o91bobo97bobo97bobobo95bobobo95bobobo88bobo4bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo95bobobo90b3o2bobobo97bobo85b2o2b2o4bobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo8bobo3bo77b2obobobo87b2o3b2obobobo84b2o2b2o2b2obobobo84b2o4b4obobobo84b2o4b4obobobo88b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo30b3o51b2o7bobobobo84b2o7bobobobo$9bo93bo99bo12b3o84bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o86b2o6bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o89bo4bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o94bobob2o5b2o87bobob2o84bo9bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o85b2o7bobob2o6b3o84b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o31bo61b2obob2o93b2obob2o$103b2o98b2o11bo86bobobobo93bobobobo93bobobobo85bo7bobobobo92b2obobobo92b2obobobo92b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o88bo4b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo86b2obob2o81bo11b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o93b2obob2o6bo85bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo35bo59bo3bo95bo3bo$10b3o204bo86bo3bo95bo3bobo93bo3bobo9bobo81bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo3bobo90bo2bo96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo84b2o9bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo10bo83bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o$10bo399bo99bo9b2o61bo26bo91b2o6bo90b3o6bo90b3o97b2ob2o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o9b2o83bo2b3o83bobo8bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o94bo2b3o95b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$11bo398bobo97bob2o7bo60bo27bob2o96bob2o96bob2o6b2o279b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o13b2o83b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o100b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$411bobo97bo2bo67b3o26b2obo96b2obo84b5o7b2obo4b2o78b5o95b4ob2o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o9bo87b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o6bobo88b3o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$412bo99bobo100bobo81bo15bobo80bo5bo10bobo3bo76bo5bo93bo3bob2o97bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo5b2o89bo2bo97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$513bo6bo95b2o73bo8b2o14b2o81bob3o12b2o73bo7bob3o94b2o104b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o7bo90b3o94b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$311b3o97b2o106b2o62b3o105b2o6b2o97b2obo10b2o78b2o4b2obo980b2o105bo10b2o99b3o97b3o96bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo95bo3bo$202b3o102b2o2bo98bobo106bobo61bo15b3o88bobo118bobo77b2o990b2o105b2o8bobo19bo2bo74bo2bo3bo7bo84bo3bo96b4o96b4o96b4o96b4o96b4o$204bo101b2o4bo99bo95bo75bo14bo99bo113bo95bo87bo9bo874bo106b2o9bo20bo79b2o4bobo5bobo83b4o$11b3o189bo104bo199b2o6b3o81bo98b2o208bobo85b2o7b2o989b2o22bo3bo81b2o6b2o186b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$11bo292b2o201bobo8bo179bobo208b2o85bobo7bobo987bobo22b4o178b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$12bo290bobo211bo290bo565b3o621bo115bo88b2o$305bo14bo487b2o94bo471bo627b2o107b2o$319b2o486bobo93b2o99b3o368bo628bobo106bobo287bo99bo99bo99bo$314b3o2bobo378b3o200bobo100bo997bo7bo289bo98bobo97bobo9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@dvgrn Some more information about these strange hypothetical conversions might be useful - for instance, is the second one starting from the snake, or the eater, etc? What kind of base is intended? There currently aren't very many surfaces resembling that in the current construction. gmc_nxtman Posts: 1147 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm ### Re: The converter game gmc_nxtman wrote:@dvgrn Some more information about these strange hypothetical conversions might be useful - for instance, is the second one starting from the snake, or the eater, etc? What kind of base is intended? There currently aren't very many surfaces resembling that in the current construction. I don't have any more information, I'm afraid. I was thinking of those two surfaces as an optional extra challenge, in case anyone wanted such a thing. Those structures are definitely not very easy to construct, especially as an addition onto a large existing object, so if the optional challenge gets ignored indefinitely, that's totally fair... but it would be fun if one of those structures showed up twenty or thirty additions farther along, so that one of those single-glider recipes could be used. I was probably thinking of starting from the snake for the second structure, because it doesn't have to be a snake -- any number of possible connections to the larger object would work. Could maybe start building it onto the end of one of the oscillators: x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S233b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo$4b2o6bo$3bo7bo$4b4o3b3o$7bo$4b2o$4bo$2bobo$bobo$bo$2o!

However, I don't have a lot of ideas about how to squash that 15-bit folded object (or any of the equivalent larger bit-count objects that would also work for the one-glider conversion) onto the top of a snake or any other likely connector.

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### Re: The converter game

dvgrn wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:@dvgrn Some more information about these strange hypothetical conversions might be useful - for instance, is the second one starting from the snake, or the eater, etc? What kind of base is intended? There currently aren't very many surfaces resembling that in the current construction.

I don't have any more information, I'm afraid. I was thinking of those two surfaces as an optional extra challenge, in case anyone wanted such a thing.

Those structures are definitely not very easy to construct, especially as an addition onto a large existing object, so if the optional challenge gets ignored indefinitely, that's totally fair... but it would be fun if one of those structures showed up twenty or thirty additions farther along, so that one of those single-glider recipes could be used.

I was probably thinking of starting from the snake for the second structure, because it doesn't have to be a snake -- any number of possible connections to the larger object would work. Could maybe start building it onto the end of one of the oscillators:

x = 14, y = 14, rule = B3/S233b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo$4b2o6bo$3bo7bo$4b4o3b3o$7bo$4b2o$4bo$2bobo$bobo$bo$2o! However, I don't have a lot of ideas about how to squash that 15-bit folded object (or any of the equivalent larger bit-count objects that would also work for the one-glider conversion) onto the top of a snake or any other likely connector. x = 17, y = 14, rule = B3/S233b2o$3bo$4b3o$7bo$4b3o$3bo$4b3o3b2o$6bo2bo2bo$4b2o3bo2bo$4bo5b2o$2bobo$bobo10b3o$bo12bo$2o13bo!
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### Re: The converter game

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### Re: The converter game

gmc_nxtman wrote:Here's all converters, including the optimized Coe's p8 from 4G (Goldtiger should judge if components should be optimized)

Often, when you think you're converters are optimised, there are actually still many more optimisations you could make. Because of this, I think it is best just to do obvious optimisations, and not having to use gencols or popseq (unless you want to) to fully optimise it, at least for the purposes of this game. However, certainly feel free to optimise any converters posted and I will edit the initial pattern to use it instead.

Adding a queen bee to make a p120 oscillator:

x = 28, y = 59, rule = B3/S2316bobo$17b2o$17bo2$14b3o$16bo$9bo5bo$10b2o$9b2o$15bo$15b2o$14bobo$19b3o$19bo$20bo6$12b2o$13bo$10b3o$10bo$11b2o$12bo11b2o$12bob2o7bo2bo$13bobo6bobobo$16b2o3bo2bob2o$17bo2bob2o$16bo3bo$16b5o$4bo$2o2b2ob3ob2o3b3o$2o4b4obobobo3bo$4b2o7bobobobo$12b2obob2o$11bo3bo$10bo2b3o$11b2o$13b3o$13bo2bo$14b3o$11b3o$10bo3bo$11b4o2$13b2o$13b2o3$13bo$11bobo$9bo2b2o$10b2o$10bo2$9b2o$9b2o!

And the best part is that the eater can be built off to create two islands connected by the queen bee!
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### Re: The converter game

I made two versions of the pattern. One of them is simply optimizing the converters themselves and keeping the route (which stays fair to the game). The other was just for fun, and shows various shortcuts that can be made based off previously posted counterproductive components.

Here is the first one. I made a few obvious reductions but nothing too big. I'm sure the block->blocker could be optimized as well.

x = 2918, y = 65, rule = 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The boat-bit dvgrn posted also seems to be missing from the OP. gmc_nxtman Posts: 1147 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm ### Re: The converter game gmc_nxtman wrote:Here is the second one, which doesn't follow the rules of the game, but just shows a more efficient route of getting to the same oscillator... Aha, I knew that pre-TL+block step looked a little too expensive! The seventh step in the first recipe / fourth step in the second recipe can be reduced by one glider -- thank you, Seeds of Destruction Game: x = 43, y = 41, rule = B3/S236$17bo$16bo$16b3o9$20bo6bo$19bobo3b3o$13bobo4bobobo$14b2o6bobob2o$14bo7bobob2o$23bo$2bo$bo$b3o3$2b3o$2bo15b3o$3bo14bo$19bo! Another optional challenge: what's the best way to turn the current oscillator into a single unpartitionable object? Right now there's one weak connection; the pattern can be partitioned into [blocker, everything-but-blocker]. Destroying the blocker and shooting down the offending weakly-connecting block seems a little too obvious, unless there's a way to turn it into a big still life or something, all in one step. EDIT if I'm not too late: What's the best way to add an inducting table these days? Maybe the far side of the blocker can eventually be built up to connect with some other branch of the oscillator. I'm probably far behind the times with this recipe: x = 82, y = 96, rule = B3/S232bo5bo$obo6bo$b2o4b3o9$74bo$72b3o$71bo$71b2o7$66b2o3b2o$66b2o3b2o$67b5o$68bobo2$68b3o5$66b2o$67bo$64b3o$64bo$65b2o$66bo11b2o$27bobo36bob2o7bo2bo$28b2o37bobo6bobobo$28bo41b2o3bo2bob2o$71bo2bob2o$70bo3bo$70b5o$58b2o$54b2obo2bob2ob2o3b3o$54b2o2bo4bobobobo3bo$59bo7bobobobo$60bobo3b2obob2o$65bo3bo$23bobo38bo2b3o$24b2o39b2o$24bo42b3o$67bo2bo$35b2o31b3o$35bobo27b3o$35bo28bo3bo$65b4o$30bo$30b2o35b2o$29bobo35b2o3$66b3o$32b2o31bo$31bobo30b2o2bo$33bo30bobo3$63b2o$63b2o18$3b3o$5bo$4bo4$5b3o$7bo\$6bo!

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