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Re: Thread for Non-CA Academic Questions

Postby Macbi » January 23rd, 2019, 5:27 pm

muzik wrote:Is this identical to a sphere?

Yes.
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Re: Thread for Non-CA Academic Questions

Postby muzik » January 23rd, 2019, 5:46 pm

...and is this identical to anything? Is there anywhere I can find a list of such 2-manifolds?

x = 119, y = 113, rule = B3/S23
49bo$50b2o$52bo$53b2o$55bo$56b2o$58b2o$59b2o$60b2o$8b97o$8bo53bo41bo$
8bo52bo42bo$8bo51bo43bo$8bo49b2o44bo$8bo48bo46bo$8bo47bo47bo$8bo45b2o
48bo$8bo43b2o50bo$8bo42bo13b3o36bo$8bo41bo14bobo36bo$8bo40bo15b3o36bo$
8bo40bo15bobo36bo$8bo56bobo36bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95b
o$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo
95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo11b2o82bo13bo$8b3o9bob
o81bo12bo$8b3o9b2o82bo12bo$7b2o2bo8bobo69bo11bo11bo$6bobo2bo8b2o71bo
10bo11bo$5bo2bo3bo80bo10bo10bo$4bo3bo3bo81b2o8bo9bo$3bo4bo4bo82bo7bo8b
o$2bo5bo5b2o80bo7bo7bo$bo6bo7bo70b3o7bo6bo6bo$o7bo78bobo8bo5bo5bo$8bo
78b3o9bo4bo4bo$8b4o75bobo10bo3bo4bo$7b2o2bo75bobo11bo2bo3bo$6bobo3bo
89b3o2bo$5bo2bo4b2o88b2obo$4bo3bo6bo88b2o$4bo3bo95bo$3bo4bo95bo$3bo4bo
95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$
8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95b
o$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo45b2o48bo
$8bo45bobo47bo$8bo45b2o48bo$8bo45bobo47bo$8bo45b2o48bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo
$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo95bo$8bo47bo47bo$8bo45b2o48bo$8bo45bo49bo$8bo44bo
9bo40bo$8bo43bo7b4o40bo$8bo41b2o7b2o43bo$8bo40bo8bo45bo$8bo40bo6b2o46b
o$8bo38b2o7bo47bo$8b97o$48bo6b2o$49bo6bo$50b2o5bo$52bo5b2o$53bo6bo$54b
2o$56b2o!
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Re: Thread for Non-CA Academic Questions

Postby Macbi » January 23rd, 2019, 6:04 pm

That's a Klein bottle. You can see by cutting it and rearranging it like this:
x = 325, y = 120, rule = B3/S23
49bo219bo$50b2o218b2o$52bo219bo$53b2o218b2o$55bo219bo$56b2o218b2o$58b
2o218b2o$59b2o218b2o$60b2o218b2o$8b97o123b97o$8bo53bo40b2o123bo53bo40b
2o$8bo52bo40b3o122b2o52bo40bo$8bo51bo40b2obo121b3o51bo40b2o$8bo49b2o
41bo2bo121bobo49b2o41bo$8bo48bo42bo3bo120b2obo48bo42bo$8bo47bo43bo3bo
119b2o2bo47bo43bo$8bo45b2o43bo4bo119bo3bo45b2o43bo$8bo43b2o44bo5bo118b
2o3bo43b2o44bo$8bo42bo13b3o28b2o6bo118bo4bo42bo13b3o28b2o$8bo41bo14bob
o27b2o7bo116b2o5bo41bo14bobo27b2o$8bo40bo15b3o27bo8bo115b2o6bo40bo15b
3o27bo$8bo40bo15bobo26bo9bo115bo7bo40bo15bobo26bo$8bo56bobo25bo10bo
115bo7bo56bobo25bo$8bo82b2o11bo114bo8bo82b2o$8bo80b2o13bo114bo8bo80b2o
$8bo80bo14bo113bo9bo80bo$8bo79bo15bo112bo10bo79bo$8bo78b2o15bo111bo11b
o78b2o$8bo77bo17bo110bo12bo77bo$8bo76bo18bo108b2o13bo76bo$8bo75b2o18bo
107b2o14bo75b2o$8bo74bo20bo107bo15bo74bo$8bo73bo21bo106bo16bo73bo$8bo
73bo21bo104b2o17bo73bo$8bo72bo22bo103b2o18bo72bo$8bo72bo22bo101b2o20bo
72bo$8bo70b2o23bo99b2o22bo70b2o$8bo69bo25bo98bo24bo69bo$8bo68bo26bo96b
2o25bo68bo$8bo67bo27bo95b2o26bo67bo$8bo65b2o28bo93b2o28bo65b2o$8bo63b
2o30bo92b2o29bo63b2o$8bo11b2o30b3o16b2o31bo13bo78bo30bo11b2o30b3o16b2o
$8b3o9bobo29bo18bo32bo12bo78bo31b3o9bobo29bo18bo$8b3o9b2o29bo17b2o33bo
12bo78bo31b3o9b2o29bo17b2o$7b2o2bo8bobo27bo17bo23bo11bo11bo78bo31b2o2b
o8bobo27bo17bo$6bobo2bo8b2o28bo16b2o24bo10bo11bo77bo31bobo2bo8b2o28bo
16b2o$5bo2bo3bo37bo15b2o25bo10bo10bo77bo31bo2bo3bo37bo15b2o$4bo3bo3bo
37b5o10b2o27b2o8bo9bo76b2o31bo2b2o3bo37b5o10b2o$3bo4bo4bo50b2o30bo7bo
8bo72bo3bo32bo3b3o3bo50b2o$2bo5bo5b2o48bo31bo7bo7bo73bo2bo32bo2b2obobo
3b2o48bo$bo6bo7bo46bo23b3o7bo6bo6bo74bobo32bo2bo3bo2bo4bo46bo$o7bo45b
11o22bobo8bo5bo5bo69bo5b2o32bo3bo3bo2bo42b11o$8bo51bo3bo22b3o9bo4bo4bo
70bo5b2o35bo4bo3bo47bo3bo$8b4o47bo4bo22bobo10bo3bo4bo70bo5b2o34bo5b4ob
o45bo4bo$7b2o2bo47bo4bo22bobo11bo2bo3bo66bo4bo3b2o2b5o27b2o5b2o2bo2bo
44bo4bo$6bobo3bo43bobo5bo37b3o2bo67bo4bob2o36bo5bob2o2bobo41bobo5bo$5b
o2bo4b2o36b7o6bo38b2obo68bo3b3o37bo5b6o2b3o35b7o6bo$4bo3bo6bo40b3o5b2o
38b2o69bo4b2o3b6o33bobobo2bo3bo40b3o5b2o$4bo3bo46bo2bo6bo38bo70bo3bob
4o39b2o2bo3bo42bo2bo6bo$3bo4bo46bo2bo6bo38bo70bob2o44b2o3bo3bo42bo2bo
6bo$3bo4bo45bo3bo5bo39bo70b2o46b2o3bo4bo40bo3bo5bo$8bo45bo2bo46bo70bo
47bo4bo45bo2bo$8bo39b6o3bo46bo70bo47bo4bo39b6o3bo$8bo42b3o3bo46bo69b2o
46b2o4bo42b3o3bo$8bo41bo3bo2bo46bo67b2ob7o2bo5b2o36bo41bo3bo2bo$8bo40b
o4bo2bo46bo66b2o8b3o5bo38bo40bo4bo2bo$8bo39bo5bo2bo46bo65b2o17bo38bo
39bo5bo2bo$8bo38bo6bo49bo64b2o18bo38bo38bo6bo$8bo38bo6bo49bo63b2o20b2o
36bo38bo6bo$8bo37bo57bo62bo60bo37bo$8bo36bo58bo62bo60bo36bo$8bo35bo59b
o60b2o61bo35bo$8bo33b2o60bo59b2o62bo33b2o$8bo31b2o62bo59bo63bo31b2o$8b
o30b2o63bo58bo64bo30b2o$8bo30bo64bo58bo64bo30bo$8bo29bo65bo57bo65bo29b
o$8bo28b2o65bo56bo66bo28b2o$8bo28bo66bo55bo67bo28bo$8bo27bo67bo54bo68b
o27bo$8bo26bo68bo54bo68bo26bo$8bo26bo68bo52b2o69bo26bo$8bo25bo69bo50b
2o71bo25bo$8bo25bo69bo49bo73bo25bo$8bo24bo70bo48bo74bo24bo$8bo23b2o20b
2o48bo47b2o74bo23b2o$8bo23bo21bobo47bo46bo76bo23bo$8bo22bo22b2o48bo45b
o23b3o51bo22bo$8bo20b2o23bobo47bo44b2o23bobo51bo20b2o$8bo19b2o24b2o48b
o42b2o25b3o51bo19b2o$8bo19bo75bo42bo26bobo51bo19bo$8bo18bo76bo41bo27bo
bo51bo18bo$8bo17bo77bo41bo21bo59bo17bo$8bo16bo78bo40bo23b2o57bo16bo$8b
o15bo79bo39bo26bo56bo15bo$8bo13b2o32bo47bo37b2o27bo56bo13b2o$8bo10b3o
32b2o48bo36b2o29b2o54bo10b3o$8bo9b2o34bo49bo36bo32bo53bo9b2o$8bo9bo34b
o9bo40bo35bo34bo52bo9bo$8bo7b2o34bo7b4o40bo34bo36bo51bo7b2o$8bo5b3o33b
2o7b2o43bo32b2o38bo50bo5b3o$8bo4b2o34bo8bo45bo30b2o41bo49bo4b2o$8bo2b
3o35bo6b2o46bo29b2o43bo48bo2b3o$8bob2o35b2o7bo47bo29bo44b2o47bob2o$8b
97o27b100o$48bo6b2o124bo$49bo6bo123bo$50b2o5bo121bo$52bo5b2o118bo$53bo
6bo115b2o$54b2o119bo$56b2o116bo$173bo$172bo$171bo$170bo$168b2o$166b2o$
165bo!
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Re: Thread for Non-CA Academic Questions

Postby muzik » January 23rd, 2019, 6:10 pm

Probably getting a bit ridiculous here. This would result in something like a cone, which would end up being a hemisphere, which can be flattened out into a circle, which is a plane, right?

x = 111, y = 106, rule = B3/S23
41bo$42b2o$44bo$45b2o$47bo$48b2o$50b2o$51b2o$52b2o$97o$o53bo41bo$o52bo
42bo$o51bo43bo$o49b2o44bo$o48bo46bo$o47bo47bo$o45b2o48bo$o43b2o50bo$o
42bo52bo$o41bo53bo$o40bo54bo$o40bo54bo$o95bo$o48b3o44bo$o48bobo44bo$o
48b3o44bo$o48bobo44bo$o48bobo44bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$
o95bo$o95bo$o95b2o$o95b3o$o94b2obo$o93b3o2bo$o93bobo3bo$o92b2obo3bo$o
92bo2bo4bo$o91bo3bo4b2o$o91bo3bo5bo$o90bo4bo5b2o$o90bo4bo6bo$o89bo5bo
7bo$o79b3o7bo5bo7bo$o79bobo6bo6bo7b2o$o79b3o6bo6bo8bo$o79bobo5bo7bo8bo
$o79bobo4bo8bo9bo$o86bo8bo10bo$o86bo8bo10bo$o85bo9bo10b2o$o85bo9bo11bo
$o84bo10bo11bo$o95bo11b2o$o95bo12b2o$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o
95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo
$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o
95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo
$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$o95bo$97o!
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Re: Thread for Non-CA Academic Questions

Postby Macbi » January 23rd, 2019, 6:33 pm

Yeah.
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Re: Thread for Non-CA Academic Questions

Postby pcallahan » January 24th, 2019, 8:29 pm

I noticed this thread and I hope that at least through affinity, somebody here might be able to help me. Is there a name for the kind of oriented rhombus tiling shown in the picture below?
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To start with, it's just a rhombus with 60° acute corners, composed of two equilateral triangles. This was known to the ancient Romans among others who used it in mosaics that give the illusion of 3D cubes, and it was used in the same way much later in the video game Q*bert. Irregular rhombus tilings are analogous to domino packings on a rectangular grid and, like them, reducible to bipartite matching (each covers one upsidedown and one rightsideup triangle). So this is not my question. (I am also not asking about Penrose tilings; these rhombuses are the 60° kind.)

But what interested me was to replace the flat sides with alternating convex and concave arcs that match up. In this case, they are circular arcs with a radius of curvature equal to the triangle side, but they could be any shape as long as they match up, such as jigsaw nubs and voids.

Adding curvature, we get a "z" orientation, shown here in a dark color, and an "s" orientation, shown here in a light color. You can make one of these out of two-sided material, so that you flip it over to change the color. In fact, I made some with paper and cardboard sides:
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These kinds of tilings are pretty easy to analyze, but it is fun, at least for small tilings to see how the orientations impose a coloring. Colors need to invert back and forth to go in a straight line but stay the same color around a turn.

(In fact, this reminds me of something I found very confusing (years back) about Madachy's method for constructing flexagons, which have a similar alternating rule when making the paper strips of triangles. Is there a name for this property of flipping sign/color going in a straight line?)

The shapes themselves lend themselves to decorative tiling. Surely I cannot be the first to have played around with this kind of rhombus tiling. Any leads?
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