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a rake sends LWSS...

Postby chenterodri » October 20th, 2018, 5:56 pm

How could I summit a estructure (figure) ?? :?:

It is a rake sending 'lwss'.
Could send the 'photo'? or coordinates ??
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby danny » October 20th, 2018, 6:00 pm

chenterodri wrote:How could I summit a estructure (figure) ?? :?:

It is a rake sending 'lwss'.
Could send the 'photo'? or coordinates ??

Are you using golly? If so, select the region you want to copy (ctrl+a if it's the whole pattern), hit ctrl+c to copy, and then paste here. (Make sure to use the 'code' button to put it in a more readable format.
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby chenterodri » October 25th, 2018, 3:27 pm

No sure... I dont know about Golly.. I will send the coordinates here ↓
2,38
6,38
7,38
13,38
14,38
0,37
3,37
9,37
10,37
11,37
12,37
14,37
15,37
0,36
10,36
11,36
12,36
13,36
14,36
0,35
11,35
12,35
13,35
2,34
4,34
5,34
3,33
11,32
12,32
13,32
14,32
10,31
14,31
14,30
13,29
24,27
25,27
26,27
27,27
28,27
29,27
15,26
23,26
29,26
13,25
14,25
15,25
23,25
29,25
15,24
24,24
28,24
17,23
18,23
26,23
17,22
18,22
26,22
27,22
25,21
26,21
27,21
28,21
25,20
26,20
28,20
29,20
27,19
28,19
42,18
43,18
49,18
50,18
51,18
52,18
40,17
41,17
43,17
44,17
48,17
52,17
40,16
41,16
42,16
43,16
52,16
41,15
42,15
51,15
39,13
38,12
39,12
48,12
49,12
37,11
47,11
50,11
38,10
39,10
40,10
41,10
42,10
47,10
50,10
39,9
40,9
41,9
42,9
46,9
47,9
49,9
50,9
42,8
47,8
48,8
49,4
50,4
51,4
52,4
31,3
34,3
48,3
52,3
35,2
52,2
31,1
35,1
51,1
32,0
33,0
34,0
35,0

I use the Lumpiluk's program.
Last edited by dvgrn on October 25th, 2018, 9:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: enclose really long coordinate list in [code] tags
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby dvgrn » October 25th, 2018, 9:37 pm

chenterodri wrote:I will send the coordinates here...
I use the Lumpiluk's program.

Please do give Golly a try, if possible. It takes a bit too much work to convert your very long coordinate lists into something that other people can use. For even a relatively small pattern like this one, even the scrolling is painful! At least enclose your patterns in [​code] tags, so they don't take up so much vertical space.

#Life 1.06
2 38
6 38
7 38
13 38
14 38
0 37
3 37
9 37
10 37
11 37
12 37
14 37
15 37
0 36
10 36
11 36
12 36
13 36
14 36
0 35
11 35
12 35
13 35
2 34
4 34
5 34
3 33
11 32
12 32
13 32
14 32
10 31
14 31
14 30
13 29
24 27
25 27
26 27
27 27
28 27
29 27
15 26
23 26
29 26
13 25
14 25
15 25
23 25
29 25
15 24
24 24
28 24
17 23
18 23
26 23
17 22
18 22
26 22
27 22
25 21
26 21
27 21
28 21
25 20
26 20
28 20
29 20
27 19
28 19
42 18
43 18
49 18
50 18
51 18
52 18
40 17
41 17
43 17
44 17
48 17
52 17
40 16
41 16
42 16
43 16
52 16
41 15
42 15
51 15
39 13
38 12
39 12
48 12
49 12
37 11
47 11
50 11
38 10
39 10
40 10
41 10
42 10
47 10
50 10
39 9
40 9
41 9
42 9
46 9
47 9
49 9
50 9
42 8
47 8
48 8
49 4
50 4
51 4
52 4
31 3
34 3
48 3
52 3
35 2
52 2
31 1
35 1
51 1
32 0
33 0
34 0
35 0

The RLE version is

x = 53, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
32b4o$31bo3bo15bo$35bo16bo$31bo2bo13bo3bo$49b4o4$42bo4b2o$39b4o3b2ob2o
$38b5o4bo2bo$37bo9bo2bo$38b2o8b2o$39bo2$41b2o8bo$40b4o8bo$40b2ob2o3bo
3bo$42b2o5b4o$27b2o$25b2ob2o$25b4o$17b2o7b2o$17b2o7bo$15bo8bo3bo$13b3o
7bo5bo$15bo7bo5bo$24b6o2$13bo$14bo$10bo3bo$11b4o$3bo$2bob2o$o10b3o$o9b
5o$o2bo5b4ob2o$2bo3b2o5b2o!

This is another well-known mechanism. Here's the same spark being used to make LWSSes, from quite a few years ago. It can be fed by any forward p16N glider rake:

#C For periods which are a multiple of 16 there are easier ways to
#C get MWSS (or LWSS) rakes, as in this period 80 sideways LWSS rake
#C David Bell, 11 June 2001
x = 95, y = 78, rule = B3/S23
30bobo$20bobo6bobbo$19bobbo5boo$18boo7bo$17bo8b4o$16b4o5bo4bo$15bo4bo
4bobbo$15bobbo6bobbo$15bobbo7bo$16bo10b4obo$17b4obo5bo3bo$18bo3bo6bo$
19bo9bobo$19bobo$28b3o$18b3o7boo$18boo8b3o$18b3o$29bobo$19bobo7bo$19bo
8bo3bo$18bo3bo4b4obo$17b4obo3bo$16bo8bobbo$5bobo7bobbo6bobbo$4bobbo7bo
bbo6bo4bo$3boo10bo4bo5b4o$bbo13b4o7bo$b4o12bo10boo$o4bo6bo5boo9bobbo$o
bbo5boobo6bobbo7bobo$obbo5bo10bobo$bo7bo22boboo$bb4obo14boboo6bo$3bo3b
o14bo9boobo$4bo6b6o5boobo9bo7boo$4b5obbo5bo7bo11bo3bo4bo$11bo15bo8bo3b
o$4b5o3bo4bo9bo7b3obbo5bo$4bo9boo11boobo4bo4b6o9boo$3bo3bobbo19bobobb
3o15bo4bo$bb4obo25bo18bo22boo$bo7bobo5bo15boobobbo12bo5bo15boob3o$obbo
5bo8bo17bo15b6o17b5o$obbo5b3o4b3o4bo14boboo34b3o$o4bo18bo13bobbo6bo$b
4o17b3o4bo8bobbo4bobo$bbo27bo8boo6boo5bo$3boo23b3o4bo16bobo$4bobbo28bo
16boo$5bobo26b3o4bo16boo$26bobo13bo$25bobbo11b3o3boobboobboo$24boo20b
oobboobboo$23bo$22b4o20boobboo10boo$21bo4bo5boo6b3o3boobboo3bobboobboo
$21bobbo5boobboo6bo12b5o$21bobbo5bo4bo5bo13bo$22bo7bo4bo$23b4obo3bobo
13boo$24bo3bobbo15booboo$25bo9boo11b4o6boo$25b5o3bo4bo10boo6boob3o29b
3o$32bo25b5o5boo11boo8bobbo$25b5obbo5bo20b3o4bo4bo8booboo9bo$25bo6b6o
27bo15b4o9bo$24bo3bo36bo5bo10boo7bobo$23b4obo36b6o12bo$22bo7bo50bo3bo$
21bobbo5bo49bo5boboo$21bobbo5boobo46bo5boo$21bo4bo6bo46b6o$22b4o$23bo$
24boo$25bobbo$26bobo!
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby chenterodri » October 27th, 2018, 5:04 pm

I did download the Golly. It is compacted and I dont know how to install it.
Are anyone try to convert the coordinates I sent ? I have try to find some rakes that send SS but I havent find anyone...
My english is not good...

The structure of this RAKE is simple.
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby chenterodri » October 27th, 2018, 5:32 pm

Ohhh... I see the "SHOW IN VIEWER".... Perdon!... This is my Rake?? I also saw the ohter one, larger.
Ths kind of "viewer" is from the Golly program ?? Golly works with any otras programs ? Do you know de "Lumpiluk" program ?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lsgol/

IS Golly similar, or better. The Lumpiluk guide is in German... ufff... hehe
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby Ian07 » October 27th, 2018, 5:45 pm

chenterodri wrote:Ohhh... I see the "SHOW IN VIEWER".... Perdon!... This is my Rake?? I also saw the ohter one, larger.
Ths kind of "viewer" is from the Golly program ?? Golly works with any otras programs ? Do you know de "Lumpiluk" program ?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/lsgol/

IS Golly similar, or better. The Lumpiluk guide is in German... ufff... hehe


The viewer used on the forums is actually Chris Rowett's LifeViewer, which is programmed in HTML and JavaScript and therefore can be used on the Internet. However, the forum viewer currently does not allow you to edit patterns.

Golly has multiple features that are missing from Lumpiluk's simulator:
-Having specialized algorithms to simulate patterns way faster than you'd normally be able to
-Being able to simulate custom cellular automata rules that behave differently to Conway's Game of Life
-Being able to move around and copy individual parts of a pattern
-and more.
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby chenterodri » November 27th, 2018, 9:59 pm

Hello. I would like to know if the Rake I have find is a new one. :idea: in order to give the give it a name. :wink:

Thanks
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby Gamedziner » November 27th, 2018, 11:46 pm

chenterodri wrote:Hello. I would like to know if the Rake I have find is a new one. :idea: in order to give the give it a name. :wink:

Thanks

Please post the RLE of the pattern first so we can find out if the pattern is new or not.
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby chenterodri » November 29th, 2018, 10:39 am

#C This is the rake I have found. Is it a new one?
#C the name would be: → ↑1 «Rodríguez»
x = 53, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
32b4o$31bo3bo15bo$35bo16bo$31bo2bo13bo3bo$49b4o4$42bo4b2o$39b4o3b2ob2o
$38b5o4bo2bo$37bo9bo2bo$38b2o8b2o$39bo2$41b2o8bo$40b4o8bo$40b2ob2o3bo
3bo$42b2o5b4o$27b2o$25b2ob2o$25b4o$17b2o7b2o$17b2o7bo$15bo8bo3bo$13b3o
7bo5bo$15bo7bo5bo$24b6o2$13bo$14bo$10bo3bo$11b4o$3bo$2bob2o$o10b3o$o9b
5o$o2bo5b4ob2o$2bo3b2o5b2o!
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby Gamedziner » November 29th, 2018, 11:42 am

chenterodri wrote:
#C This is the rake I have found. Is it a new one?
#C the name would be: → ↑1 «Rodríguez»
x = 53, y = 39, rule = B3/S23
32b4o$31bo3bo15bo$35bo16bo$31bo2bo13bo3bo$49b4o4$42bo4b2o$39b4o3b2ob2o
$38b5o4bo2bo$37bo9bo2bo$38b2o8b2o$39bo2$41b2o8bo$40b4o8bo$40b2ob2o3bo
3bo$42b2o5b4o$27b2o$25b2ob2o$25b4o$17b2o7b2o$17b2o7bo$15bo8bo3bo$13b3o
7bo5bo$15bo7bo5bo$24b6o2$13bo$14bo$10bo3bo$11b4o$3bo$2bob2o$o10b3o$o9b
5o$o2bo5b4ob2o$2bo3b2o5b2o!

(Added code tag to make viewing the pattern easier)


That is the pattern you posted earlier (and that dvgrn mentioned in his response). Please see dvgrn's post.


To clear up any confusion, RLE stands for "run length encoded." RLE is a means of describing a pattern based on how many times a given state (dead state, alive state, etc.) appears.
In this case,
"b" represents a dead cell,
"o" represents a live cell,
"$" represents a line break,
and "!" represents the end of the pattern.

As an example, consider the following RLE:
3o100b10o2$o!

The above RLE is the same as 3 live cells, followed by 100 dead cells, followed by 10 live cells, followed by 2 line breaks, followed by 1 live cell.
If you couldn't encode the run length, the pattern would waste a lot of space, as it would need to be described as follows:
ooobbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbboooooooooo$$o!




As a side note, an RLE run in LifeViewer will use the rule B3/S23 unless a different rule is specified.

What states are available depends on the rule. The following pattern uses a Generations-type rule, meaning it has cells that last a certain number of generations before dying completely.

x=3, y=3, rule=B3/S0245/3
BAB$3A$.2A!


In this case, the dead state is represented with "." and the other states are represented with letters of the alphabet. This format allows up to 27 states to be represented (the dead state plus one state per letter).
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby chenterodri » November 30th, 2018, 1:31 pm

Dear Gamedziner

Yes, that pattern is the one I sent early. And dvgrn have give me the code.
Thanks for the information and examples about the RLE... Now finally I can understand those "Misterious 5b5o2$o!"
:lol:
In order to compare and find if the pattern was a new or not, do you need more information, a better RLE, or rule?

What about the name for the pattern? Could I use some characters like arrows in the name? Are there some rules for the names? What name do you suggest? Thanks again

Best Regards.
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Re: a rake sends LWSS...

Postby Gamedziner » November 30th, 2018, 5:33 pm

chenterodri wrote:Thanks for the information and examples about the RLE... Now finally I can understand those "Misterious 5b5o2$o!"
:lol:

You're welcome.

chenterodri wrote:In order to compare and find if the pattern was a new or not, do you need more information, a better RLE, or rule?

Based on dvgrn's post, the general method of producing the LWSS is not new; however, it might be a new record in terms of bounding box.
To determine if that is the case, one would have to search through a large database (or a combination of databases) containing all known rakes. Sadly, I don't know where all such pattern collections are, so I can't answer that question.
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