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Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 3:23 pm
by Moosey
Βεν Γ. Κυθισ wrote:What?


In the original rule:
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2e4q6n/S1c2a3n
b2o$obo$2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 3:43 pm
by Βεν Γ. Κυθισ
Okay, but I found a real counterexample for PkmnQ's submission:
x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2e4q6n/S1c2a3n
2bobo$2b2o$o$bo!

I fixed it here:
x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2e3k4q6n/S1c2a3n
2bobo$2b2o$o$bo!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 3:56 pm
by Moosey
Βεν Γ. Κυθισ wrote:Okay, but I found a real counterexample for PkmnQ's submission:
x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2e4q6n/S1c2a3n
2bobo$2b2o$o$bo!

I fixed it here:
x = 5, y = 4, rule = B2e3k4q6n/S1c2a3n
2bobo$2b2o$o$bo!

x = 8, y = 6, rule = B2e3k4q6n/S1c2a3n
5bobo$6b2o$3b2o$4bo$b2o$obo!

Found in a couple seconds.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 4:00 pm
by Βεν Γ. Κυθισ
Removed it:
x = 8, y = 6, rule = B2e3kq4q6n/S1c2a3n
5bobo$6b2o$3b2o$4bo$b2o$obo!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 5:12 pm
by 77topaz
Βεν Γ. Κυθισ wrote:Removed it:
x = 8, y = 6, rule = B2e3kq4q6n/S1c2a3n
5bobo$6b2o$3b2o$4bo$b2o$obo!


This rule still doesn't quite have one object, as the oscillators can be nontrivially combined together: http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b2e ... a3n/C1/xp2

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 5:53 pm
by Βεν Γ. Κυθισ
I found three more counterexamples other than the catagoule ones and fixed them as well as the catagoule ones:
x = 39, y = 31, rule = B2e3q4qz6n/S1c2a3n
15bobo$15b2o7bo$14bo3bo4b2o$16b2o7bo$4b2o9bobo$obobo$b2o2bo30bobo$3bo
11bobo18b2o$16b2o6bobo$13b2o9b2o$4bobo7bo7bo$5b2o4b2o9b2o9bobo$3bo6bob
o21b2o$b2o33b2o$2bo26bobo4bo$bo28b2o5bo$10bo10bobo8b2o$11bo9b2o9bobo$o
bo7b2o8bo$b2o9bo9b2o$3bo6bo10bobo$5b2o4bo$4bobo3b2o4$12b2o$12bo6bo$14b
o3bo$13b2o5bo$19b2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 7:25 pm
by 77topaz
Still not quite a one-object rule: http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b2e ... s1c2a3n/C1

Aside from the p2s, there's even a p3 now:
x = 5, y = 5, rule = B2e3q4qz6n/S1c2a3n
bobo$o2b2o$2bo$4bo$3b2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 7:52 pm
by Βεν Γ. Κυθισ
x = 21, y = 19, rule = B2e3jq4qwz6n/S1c2a3kn
5b2o5bo$5bo6b2o3bobo$6bo4bo4bo2b2o$18bo$20bo$9bobo7b2o$10b2o$12b2o$2bo
bo7bo$3b2o8bo$5b2o$5bobo3$bo8bo$o2bo5bo2bo$2b2o7b2obo$4bo8b2o$3b2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 5th, 2019, 7:54 pm
by Moosey
Βεν Γ. Κυθισ wrote:
x = 21, y = 19, rule = B2e3jq4qwz6n/S1c2a3kn
5b2o5bo$5bo6b2o3bobo$6bo4bo4bo2b2o$18bo$20bo$9bobo7b2o$10b2o$12b2o$2bo
bo7bo$3b2o8bo$5b2o$5bobo3$bo8bo$o2bo5bo2bo$2b2o7b2obo$4bo8b2o$3b2o!

*APGsearch time!!!*
We’re gonna find a p7 oscillator or something at this rate.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 12:43 am
by PkmnQ
Βεν Γ. Κυθισ wrote:
PkmnQ wrote::roll:
x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2e4q6n/S1c2a3n
obo$2o!

I removed some terms that didn't appear to have a purpose in this submission and I found a p2 ship that you need to remove:
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2e/S1c2a3n
b2o$obo$2o!

THAT'S WHY THE 6N IS THERE :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
x = 3, y = 3, rule = B2e6n/S1c2a3n
b2o$obo$2o!


Oh, and the 4q is because of an aircraft carrier.
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2e6n/S1c2a3n
2b2o$o2bo$2o!

x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2e4q6n/S1c2a3n
2b2o$o2bo$2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 1:26 am
by 77topaz
Moosey wrote:
Βεν Γ. Κυθισ wrote:
x = 21, y = 19, rule = B2e3jq4qwz6n/S1c2a3kn
5b2o5bo$5bo6b2o3bobo$6bo4bo4bo2b2o$18bo$20bo$9bobo7b2o$10b2o$12b2o$2bo
bo7bo$3b2o8bo$5b2o$5bobo3$bo8bo$o2bo5bo2bo$2b2o7b2obo$4bo8b2o$3b2o!

*APGsearch time!!!*
We’re gonna find a p7 oscillator or something at this rate.


It appears this rule may actually be a one-object rule - apgsearch has found more than a million of the object but not yet anything else.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 1:28 am
by Hunting
Ya really searched it?!

REMOVED FAILED RULE. I made a mess.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 1:32 am
by 77topaz
Hunting wrote:EDIT: Oops.
- Rules with B2e without at least one of S1c or B1e

Failed


That was specifically for the endemic object challenge, not the one object challenge in general. Though this rule does not satisfy the latter, either:
x = 2, y = 2, rule = B2e3ei/S2ac
bo$o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 1:33 am
by Βεν Γ. Κυθισ
I was just about to say that thing too!
x = 53, y = 45, rule = B2e3ei/S2ac
42bobobobobobo2$42bobo4bo2bo$45bo4bo$42bo6bo2bo2$42bo9bo2$obobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo2$o43bo$4bobobo2bo3bobo3b3ob
2ob2obobo2bo$o10b2obo2bobo2b5o2b3ob2o4bo4bo$6b4obob5obob4ob2o2bobo2b2o
2bo$o6b3o2bo3b3obo2b3o2bob4ob2o3bo3bo$5b5obobob2ob2o2bobo2bo2bo2b6obo$
o3b2ob7ob2o4b2ob2o2b2obobo2bo2b2o3bo$5bo2bob7ob7ob7o4b2o$o4bo2b5obobo
2bo4bob2obob5o4bo3bo$5b3obob2obo2b8o2bo2b2o4bob2o$o3bob2o2bo3bo2b2o2bo
b3obo4b2o2b3o5bo$6b2o2b2o2bobobobo2b3o3bo2b4o3b2o$o4bo2b2obobo3b3o2b2o
bobobobo2bobob2o4bo$4bob2o4bo2b3o2b4o3bo2b2o2b2o3bo$o3bo2b5o4b2o2bo2b
3o3bo2bob2ob2obo3bo$4b2o2b5ob2obobobo3bo2bo4bo6bo$o4bob2ob4o3b4o2b2o2b
2ob3ob5obo3bo$4bob2o2b3o2b2obobo3bobo4b2ob3ob3o$o4b5o2b3ob3ob2o2bobo2b
5o3bo2bo3bo$6bobo2b3o2bo4bo3bo3b2o3b3ob2o$o3b4o3b3o2bob4o2b2o4b3ob2ob
2obo3bo$7bob2o3bo4bob2ob2o3bobob2ob4o$o4b2o2bobob2o4b3o2b3obo6bo2b3o3b
o$4bo3bo6b2o4b3obobo4bo2b2ob3o$o3b3o2b3ob3o4bobob2o3b2obob4o2bo3bo$7b
5ob2o2bobo2b2ob4obo2bo2b2o2bo$o3bo3b2ob3o2b3o3bobobo4b4ob2o6bo$5bobobo
b3obo6b4o2bo3b2ob2obo$o4bo3bo3b3o2b2o2b3o3bo4b3o4bo3bo$7bo4bobo2b2o3bo
b3o2bo5bob2obo$o3bo3bob5o2b3obobob4ob2o2b3o3bo3bo2$o43bo2$obobobobobob
obobobobobobobobobobobobobobobobo!

EDIT: I was talking about that p2, not anything else in their above post.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 1:41 am
by Hunting
77topaz wrote:
Hunting wrote:EDIT: Oops.
- Rules with B2e without at least one of S1c or B1e

Failed


That was specifically for the endemic object challenge, not the one object challenge in general. Though this rule does not satisfy the latter, either:
x = 2, y = 2, rule = B2e3ei/S2ac
bo$o!

Yes... Just figure it out.

Unrelated:

HOW TO GET RID OF COMMON SMALL OBJECTS/OSCILLATORS

1. Get rid of a dot as a still life(without B0 there's no way that it can act as an oscillator)

Remove S0.

2. Get rid of a domino as a still life

Remove S1e.

3. Get rid of a
x = 1, y = 3, rule = B2c/S
obo!


Remove B2c or Add S0 or B2i.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 3:38 am
by PkmnQ
How about something new
x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2ci3a/S2ae3n
obo$2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 5:11 am
by 77topaz
PkmnQ wrote:How about something new
x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2ci3a/S2ae3n
obo$2o!


Not a one-object rule yet...
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B2ci3a/S2ae3n
2o$o2bo$2b2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 8:02 am
by PkmnQ
Ship also works, so
x = 13, y = 3, rule = B2ci3a4q6n/S2ae3n
2b2o7b2o$o2bo6bobo$2o8b2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 3:44 pm
by Rhombic
I might be wrong
x = 4, y = 4, rule = B3cei4eq/S2acn5a6n
2bo$bobo$o$bo!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 5:08 pm
by 77topaz
PkmnQ wrote:Ship also works, so
x = 13, y = 3, rule = B2ci3a4q6n/S2ae3n
2b2o7b2o$o2bo6bobo$2o8b2o!


Still some other objects.

Rhombic wrote:I might be wrong
x = 4, y = 4, rule = B3cei4eq/S2acn5a6n
2bo$bobo$o$bo!


I could've sworn I saw a one-object rule coming on... it may well be.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 5:18 pm
by Rhombic
77topaz wrote:I could've sworn I saw a one-object rule coming on... it may well be.


Not yet. Adding B3j or S2k and checking...



EDIT: B3ceij4eq/S2acn5a6n only has one object (as far as I can tell)

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 6th, 2019, 5:23 pm
by Βεν Γ. Κυθισ
It seems that posts are being replaced for no reason and it is really annoying when you are responding to something (see my previous post). EDIT: WAIT NVM

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 7th, 2019, 12:38 am
by PkmnQ
77topaz wrote:
PkmnQ wrote:Ship also works, so
x = 13, y = 3, rule = B2ci3a4q6n/S2ae3n
2b2o7b2o$o2bo6bobo$2o8b2o!


Still some other objects.


Those are just combinations of my focus one, did you even look at them? You probably just looked wt the numbers, but fine. If you're THAT strict, then I'll fix it.

Object 1:
x = 6, y = 2, rule = B2ci3aj4q6n/S2ae3n
2o2b2o$ob2obo!

Fixed. No other objects found in soup, original object still works.

Object 2:
x = 6, y = 3, rule = B2ci3aj4q6n/S2ae3n
2o2bo$o4bo$bo2b2o!

Fixed. In fact, it got auto-fixed by the fix for object 1.

Object 3:
Adding B2e won't work, because duoplet.
However, adding S2n…
x = 6, y = 4, rule = B2ci3aj4q6n/S2aen3n
4b2o$bo3bo$o3bo$2o!

…fixes it! No other objects found in soup, original object still works.

Improved rule:
x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2ci3aj4q6n/S2aen3n
bo$o$2o!

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 7th, 2019, 3:34 am
by 77topaz
PkmnQ wrote:Improved rule:
x = 2, y = 3, rule = B2ci3aj4q6n/S2aen3n
bo$o$2o!


New object:
x = 4, y = 4, rule = B2ci3aj4q6n/S2aen3n
2o$obo$3bo$2b2o!


B2ci3acj4q6n/S2aen3n maybe be a one-object rule, though.

Re: Only one object [GAME]

PostPosted: February 7th, 2019, 2:40 pm
by Rhombic
OK I really hope this new rule works out...
The only object would be a p14 oscillator (!!)
x = 3, y = 2, rule = B2ci3aej4aq5i6i/S2aei3eiry5ij
3o$obo!

Explanation of current modification: B2i=against the typical p2; S3r=against the table p2; B4q=against the aircraft carrier