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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby christoph r. » April 2nd, 2018, 6:44 pm

Is this fuse (and its furcation) known?

x = 101, y = 146, rule = B3/S23
99b2o$94b2o2bobo$94b2o2b2o2$94b2o2b2o$90b2o2b2o2bo$90b2o3$90b2ob2o$85b
2o3b2ob2o$85b2o2$85b2o2b2o$81b2o2b2o2b2o$81b2o3$81b2ob2o$76b2o3b2obo$
76b2o9bob2o$86b2ob2o$76b2o2b2o$51b2o19b2o2b2o2b2o$51bobo2b2o14b2o12b2o
$52b2o2b2o28b2o2b2o2bo$90b2o2b2o$52b2o2b2o14b2ob2o$53bo2b2o2b2o5b2o3b
2ob2o13b2o2b2o$60b2o5b2o21b2o2bobo$95b2o$67b2o2b2o$57b2ob2o6bo2b2o$57b
2ob2o3bo$65b2o2$61b2o2b2o$61b2o2b2o2b2o$69b2o3$66b2ob2o$67bob2o3b2o$
61b2obo9b2o$61b2ob2o$70b2o2b2o$70b2o2b2o2b2o19b2o$64b2o12b2o14b2o2bobo
$57bo2b2o2b2o28b2o2b2o$56b2o2b2o$75b2ob2o14b2o2b2o$56b2o2b2o13b2ob2o3b
2o5b2o2b2o2bo$55bobo2b2o21b2o5b2o$55b2o$79b2o2b2o$79b2o2bo6b2ob2o$86bo
3b2ob2o$85b2o2$85b2o2b2o$81b2o2b2o2b2o$81b2o2$56b2o$56bobobo20b2ob2o$
57b2ob2o14b2o3b2obo$76b2o9bob2o$86b2ob2o$57b2ob2o14b2o2b2o$57b2ob2o3b
2o5b2o2b2o2b2o$65b2o5b2o12b2o$86b2o2b2o2bo$61b2o2b2o23b2o2b2o$61b2o2bo
6b2ob2o$68bo3b2ob2o13b2o2b2o$67b2o21b2o2bobo$95b2o$67b2o2b2o$63b2o2b2o
2b2o$63b2o3$63b2ob2o$58b2o3b2ob2o$58b2o2$58b2o2b2o$54b2o2b2o2b2o$54b2o
3$54b2ob2o$49b2o3b2ob2o$49b2o2$49b2o2b2o$45b2o2b2o2b2o$45b2o3$45b2ob2o
$40b2o3b2ob2o$40b2o2$40b2o2b2o$36b2o2b2o2b2o$36b2o3$36b2ob2o$31b2o3b2o
b2o$31b2o2$31b2o2b2o$27b2o2b2o2b2o$27b2o3$27b2ob2o$22b2o3b2ob2o$22b2o
2$22b2o2b2o$18b2o2b2o2b2o$18b2o3$18b2ob2o$13b2o3b2ob2o$13b2o2$13b2o2b
2o$9b2o2b2o2b2o$9b2o3$9b2ob2o$4b2o3b2ob2o$4b2o$2o$2o2b2o2b2o$4b2o2b2o
2$4b2o$3bo$4b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby wildmyron » April 4th, 2018, 10:20 am

From some time ago
dvgrn wrote:
Kazyan wrote:EDIT: And a more useful one--reflector that just needs a spark:

x = 26, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o7$11bo$9bobo$10b2o2$12b2o$11bo2bo4b2o$11bobo5b2o$12bo2$7b2o
9b3o$8bo9b2obo2b2o$5b3o12b2o2b2o$5bo14b2o!

Good Golly, that's an impressive one. Looks like it can't handle a period-3 spark (EDITed from period-4), but anything above that would be good -- and the rest of it is really ridiculously small and simple.

With a slight modification to the spark interaction, here's a p3 bumper. I'm not sure if anyone found such a thing yet, hence this thread.
x = 21, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
15bo$15bobo$15b2o2$4bo$3bobo6b2o$4bobo4bo2bo$6b3o3bobo$13bo$2b3ob3o$6b
4o7b2o$17bo$2b3o4b3o6b3o$bo6bo3bo7bo$o2b2ob2o3b2o$b3o4bo$5b4o$3b2o$3bo
2bo$5b2o!


P2 seems more difficult.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby dvgrn » April 4th, 2018, 10:28 am

wildmyron wrote:With a slight modification to the spark interaction, here's a p3 bumper. I'm not sure if anyone found such a thing yet, hence this thread...

Pretty sure that's new -- very nice!

(I put all the others into the Life Lexicon, but this one might have to wait until Release 29.)
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby chris_c » April 4th, 2018, 12:17 pm

wildmyron wrote:With a slight modification to the spark interaction, here's a p3 bumper.


It's great. I'm sure it will give some new record setting guns for the gun collection. From the top of my head I think it could also improve the p27, p29 and p31, all of which work at triple the period.

EDIT: No, probably not the p27 since the p9 bumper is already used there and is smaller.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby wildmyron » April 4th, 2018, 12:47 pm

Thanks. I hope it will be helpful in the gun reduction project, but I'll leave the gun building to others with more experience in that area. The p3 is the minimal form I could find in a certain bounding box open to the south, but there may be a smaller form if it's allowed to expand to the NW. There may well even be a suitable known oscillator - I haven't checked the jslife or Sokwe's osc-extended collections.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby christoph r. » April 13th, 2018, 3:11 am

Shurely known. Every second of the MWSSes out of a c2-p0012-mwss-backrake pushes a beehieve 2 cell forward.

x = 293, y = 150, rule = B3/S23
269b2o$249bo2bo13b3ob2o$253bo12b5o$249bo3bo13b3o$250b4o2$262b3o$250b3o
8bo2bo5b3o$249bo2bo7b2ob2o7bo$248bo4bo5bo10bobo$249bobo8b2o8b2o$250b3o
bo6bo$243bo8b2o$242bo20b2o5bo2bo$242b3o17b4o8bo$234bo16b3o8b2ob2o3bo3b
o$233bo16b5o9b2o5b4o$233b3o14b3ob2o$225bo27b2o$224bo15b2o$224b3o12b4o$
216bo22b2ob2o$215bo25b2o$114bo100b3o31b4o$112bo3bo131bo3bo$117bo126bo
7bo$97b2o13bo4bo121b7o2bo2bo$96b4o13b5o94b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o5bo2b3ob2o$96b
2ob2o104bobo31b7o2bo2bo$98b2o108bo35bo7bo$208bo39bo3bo$110bo94bo2bo40b
4o$98bo10b3o5b2o87b3o7bo24b2o$96b2ob2o6b2obo7b2o95b2o22b2ob2o$96b2o9bo
9b2o80bobo13bobo21b4o$96b2o3bo5b3o7bo84bo22bo14b2o$98bo2bo100bo21b2o$
91bo7b2o98bo2bo21bobo21b5o$89b2o27b2o80b3o31bo12bo4bo16b2o$90b2o17b4o
4b4o112b2o17bo7b4o4b4o$82bo25bo3bo4b2ob2o71bobo37bobo11bo3bo7bo3bo4b2o
b2o$80b2o15b5o10bo6b2o75bo46bo5bo13bo6b2o$81b2o13bo4bo6bo2bo84bo45b2o
15bo2bo$73bo27bo91bo2bo45bobo6b2o$71b2o23bo3bo93b3o53bo2bo$72b2o12b4o
8bo150bo2bo7b2o$64bo20bo3bo97bobo59bobo8bo7b2o$62b2o25bo100bo58b3o8bo
3b2o3b2o$63b2o20bo2bo8b2o91bo70b9o$95b2ob2o87bo2bo72bo3b2o$91bo3b4o89b
3o44b5o8b2o16bo$60bo5bo5bo5bo7b2o2bobo3b2o136bo4bo7b4o13bo$60bo5bo5bo
5bo6bo2b2o3bo87bobo36b2o17bo7b2ob2o11bo3bo$53b2o5bo5bo5bo5bo7b2o2bobo
3b2o86bo33b2ob2o11bo3bo10b2o17bo$52b3o36bo3b4o85bo33b4o14bo26bo4bo$52b
2obo39b2ob2o81bo2bo34b2o10bo32b5o$53b3o29bo2bo8b2o83b3o34bo10b3o6bo$
54bo34bo128b3o7b2o3bo5b2o$62b3o20bo3bo85bobo39b2ob2o6b5o5bob2o$47b2o
13bo23b4o88bo37b3obo6bo2bo7bobo$46b3o14bo114bo38bobobo6b2o8b2o$46b2obo
21b3o101bo2bo39bo9b2o$47b3o21bo25b2o77b3o41b2o28b2o$48bo23bo21b3ob2o
110bobo17bo2bo14bo4bo$80b3o11b5o9b2o5b4o50bobo38b2o8bo13bo6b2o11bo$41b
2o37bo14b3o8b2ob2o3bo3bo53bo38bo6bo3bo7bo3bo4b2ob2o4bo5bo$40b3o38bo24b
4o8bo53bo28bobo19bo7b4o4b4o6b6o$40b2obo45b3o15b2o5bo2bo51bo2bo28b2o15b
o4bo16b2o$41b3o45bo8b2o70b3o29bo16b5o$42bo47bo7b2o13bo78bobo63b4o$96bo
2bo8bo3bo2bo47bobo26b2o53b3o7bo3bo$35b2o59b3o8b2o7bo49bo26bo54b2o11bo$
34b3o60bo10b2o6bo49bo16bobo59b3o5b2o2bo2bo$34b2obo71b5ob2o46bo2bo16b2o
10b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o4b3o6b3o$35b3o76bo49b3o17bo60b3o5b2o
2bo2bo$36bo75b2o60bobo11bobo57b2o11bo$94b4o76b2o12b2o8bo48b3o7bo3bo$
29b2o62bo3bo13b3o61bo13bo7b2o59b4o$28b3o66bo12b5o50bobo11bobo15bo23b5o
$28b2obo61bo2bo13b3ob2o44bo4b2o12b2o16bo9bo12bo4bo16b2o$29b3o81b2o45b
2o4bo13bo16bobo6b2o17bo7b4o4b4o4b6o$24bo5bo125b2o12bobo33bobo11bo3bo7b
o3bo4b2ob2o2bo5bo$23bobo131bo12b2o27bo16bo5bo13bo6b2o9bo27b3o$157bo13b
o27bo15b2o15bo2bo12bo4bo27b5o$20bo140bobo33bo17bobo6b2o24b2o29b3ob2o$b
2o15bo3bo7bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo8bo2bo
8bo10b2o41bo18bo2bo38b4o15b2o$o2bo13bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo11bo
11bo11bo10bo2bo10bo40b3o16bo2bo7b2o29bo3bo$b2o14bo4bo6bo3bo7bo3bo7bo3b
o7bo3bo7bo3bo7bo3bo7bo3bo7bo3bo7bo3bo7bo3bo6bo24b3o27bob2o15bobo8bo7b
2o25bo$17b5o7b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o8b4o7bob2obo18b5o27b3o
15b3o8bo3b2o3b2o23bo8b3o$151bobo3b2o13b3ob2o7b2o5bo2bo8b2o28b9o32b4o6b
2o$157bobo15b2o7b4o8bo39bo3b2o21bo3bo6bo4bo4bo2bo$157bo26b2ob2o3bo3bo
13bo10b2o16bo22bo4bo5bo3b2o5bo2bo$31bo134b2o18b2o5b4o12b3o8b4o13bo24bo
10bo9b2ob2o$30b3o80b3o50bobo40bob2o7b2ob2o11bo3bo21bo2b2o6bo2bo7b2o$
30bob2o78b5o49bo8b2o33b3o9b2o17bo22b2obo6b2o$31b3o78b3ob2o56bo2bo32b2o
24bo4bo33bo$31b2o63b4o15b2o56bob2o7b2o51b5o14bo9b2o$95bo3bo72b2ob2o6b
2o7b3o21bo39bobo20b2o5b4o$37bo61bo73bobo8bobo7bo20b3o38b2o19b2ob2o3bo
3bo$36b3o56bo2bo16bo58bo10b2o7bo20bob2o28bo20b2o7b4o8bo$36bob2o71bo5bo
69bo5bo22b3o28bobo15b3ob2o7b2o5bo2bo$37b3o58bo10b2o7bo52bo2bo16bo24b2o
29b2o16b5o$37b2o58bobo8bobo7bo56bo62bo27b3o$96b2ob2o6b2o7b3o52bo3bo46b
o15bobo15bo2bo$43bo53bob2o7b2o62b4o15b2o28b3o14b2o20bo$42b3o53bo2bo86b
3ob2o27bob2o4bo26bo3bo$42bob2o44bo8b2o87b5o29b3o4bobo25b4o6b2o$43b3o
44bobo96b3o30b2o5b2o35b4o$43b2o45b2o18b2o5b4o145b2ob2o$81bo26b2ob2o3bo
3bo134bo12b2o$49bo31bobo15b2o7b4o8bo107bo5bo5bo5bo5bo2bo5bobo$48b3o30b
2o13b3ob2o7b2o5bo2bo108bo5bo5bo5bo5bo7bo2b2o$48bob2o20bo23b5o127bo5bo
5bo5bo5bo2bo5bobo$49b3o20bobo22b3o130bo24bo12b2o$49b2o21b2o13bo2bo138b
2o35b2ob2o$63bo27bo137bobo34b4o$55bo7bobo21bo3bo147bo17b4o6b2o$54b3o6b
2o23b4o6b2o138b2o16bo3bo$54bob2o39b4o137bobo19bo$55b3o39b2ob2o146bo7bo
2bo$55b2o31b3ob2o5b2o146b2o19b5o$61bo5bo5bo5bo7b2o5bo152bobo17bo4bo16b
2o$61bo5bo5bo5bo6bo7b2o161bo14bo7b4o4b4o$61bo5bo5bo5bo7b2o5bo161b2o9bo
3bo7bo3bo4b2ob2o$88b3ob2o5b2o155bobo10bo13bo6b2o$64bo32b2ob2o164bo12bo
2bo$63b2o32b4o164b2o9bo9bo$63bobo22b4o6b2o165bobo6bobo7bo$73bo13bo3bo
181b2o9bo2b2o$72b2o17bo171bo8b3o8bo5bo$72bobo12bo2bo172bo9b3o3b2o3bobo
2b2o$82bo16b5o171b3o6bo3b2o$81b2o15bo4bo16b2o153b3o8b3o$81bobo19bo7b4o
4b4o145b2o6b2ob2o$91bo6bo3bo7bo3bo4b2ob2o143b4o14bo$90b2o8bo13bo6b2o
144b2ob2o11bo3bo$90bobo17bo2bo155b2o17bo$100b2o181bo4bo$98bo9b2o174b5o
$97bobobo6b2o8b2o$96b3obo6bo2bo7bobo$97b2ob2o6b5o5bob2o$98b3o7b2o3bo5b
2o$99bo10b3o6bo$99b2o10bo$98b4o14bo$98b2ob2o11bo3bo$100b2o17bo$114bo4b
o$115b5o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby AforAmpere » April 14th, 2018, 4:29 pm

C/258 reaction, which returns the gliders inputted:
x = 219, y = 144, rule = B3/S23
218bo$216b2o$217b2o62$obo$b2o$bo61$89bo$87b2o$88b2o9$80b2o$79bo2bo$79b
o3bo$80bo2bo$80bo2bo$81b2o!

Probably not useful, but maybe it could be.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby velcrorex » April 15th, 2018, 11:45 pm

c/2 p8 spaceship, easily found, so I'm guessing it's known?
x = 32, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
8bobo$6b3obo$5b2o9bo$2b2o3bobo7bo3bobo3bobo$bo3b3o3b3o2bo10bobo$o3bob
2ob2o3b3o2bobo3bo$o14bo2bo2bo3bo4b2o$3o3b12o3bo3bo4b2o$6bo9b2o$3o3b12o
3bo3bo4b2o$o14bo2bo2bo3bo4b2o$o3bob2ob2o3b3o2bobo3bo$bo3b3o3b3o2bo10bo
bo$2b2o3bobo7bo3bobo3bobo$5b2o9bo$6b3obo$8bobo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Sokwe » April 16th, 2018, 12:45 am

velcrorex wrote:c/2 p8 spaceship, easily found, so I'm guessing it's known?
x = 32, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
8bobo$6b3obo$5b2o9bo$2b2o3bobo7bo3bobo3bobo$bo3b3o3b3o2bo10bobo$o3bob
2ob2o3b3o2bobo3bo$o14bo2bo2bo3bo4b2o$3o3b12o3bo3bo4b2o$6bo9b2o$3o3b12o
3bo3bo4b2o$o14bo2bo2bo3bo4b2o$o3bob2ob2o3b3o2bobo3bo$bo3b3o3b3o2bo10bo
bo$2b2o3bobo7bo3bobo3bobo$5b2o9bo$6b3obo$8bobo!

According to my records, it was found by someone named Josh Ball in September 2015.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby 77topaz » April 16th, 2018, 3:23 am

velcrorex wrote:c/2 p8 spaceship, easily found, so I'm guessing it's known?
x = 32, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
8bobo$6b3obo$5b2o9bo$2b2o3bobo7bo3bobo3bobo$bo3b3o3b3o2bo10bobo$o3bob
2ob2o3b3o2bobo3bo$o14bo2bo2bo3bo4b2o$3o3b12o3bo3bo4b2o$6bo9b2o$3o3b12o
3bo3bo4b2o$o14bo2bo2bo3bo4b2o$o3bob2ob2o3b3o2bobo3bo$bo3b3o3b3o2bo10bo
bo$2b2o3bobo7bo3bobo3bobo$5b2o9bo$6b3obo$8bobo!


Gee, you wouldn't have happened to discover a c/7 orthogonal spaceship with that same search? ;)
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby velcrorex » April 16th, 2018, 7:39 am

Worse, this isn't the first time I've rediscovered something I had found years earlier... :oops:
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » April 16th, 2018, 7:45 am

velcrorex wrote:Worse, this isn't the first time I've rediscovered something I had found years earlier... :oops:

Don't worry, it isn't just you. I've done that many times. I remember once years ago, I discovered a loaf hassler that I called Zweiback, because the sparker "baked" the loaf twice before flipping it (and another hassler repeated the process to put it back). About a year later, I re-discovered the same oscillator, not realizing that I had previously found it, and gave it the same name for the same reason.
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