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Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby dvgrn » April 9th, 2018, 7:00 am

dvgrn wrote:A Nice Reasonable-Sized Challenge...

Well, best not to leave the metacell overflowing its boundaries for too long, just in case someone wants to tackle the much more interesting problem of splitting OUT into eight signals and sending them to all the neighboring metacells, and then catching them and sending them into the COUNT input when they get there.

Here's a somewhat suboptimal solution for the southeast section. There are certainly much smaller ways to synchronize those signals -- this was just the first thing that worked. I ended up using simeks' adjustment toolkit instead of the new G0-based one:

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It still looks like there's plenty of room for the remaining circuitry, maybe after moving everything a little bit NE to leave room for MWSS and glider signals running around the south and west boundaries.
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby Redstoneboi » May 15th, 2018, 9:35 am

Ethanagor wrote:I have no idea if this is useful or not, but here is a base for a d-pad prototype. placing an on cell in either of the two marked off cells in each direction will result in a block on block a few cells away in that same direction. Again, I have no idea if a block on block can be turned into a usable signal.
x = 0, y = 0, rule = LifeHistory
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Let's maybe use something easier.
Here's a fancy overview of something I made.
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#C [[ X -19 Y -2 ZOOM 2 GPS 10 LOOP 380
#C T 30 ZOOM 8 "Here's an overview of the\nHoney Farm D-Pad."
#C T 80 "Currently all 4 beehives are dead, allowing\nthe MWSS's to pass unharmed."
#C T 177 GPS 30 PAUSE 2 "Honey farm's rebuilt after 177 gens"
#C T 178 X -80 Y 0 ZOOM 10 GPS 1 PAUSE 2 "Outputs for up and down"
#C T 179 X -19 Y -90 PAUSE 2 "and for left and right"
#C T 183 Y -2 ZOOM 4 "There are no inputs this time,\nlet's check the scanner"
#C T 277 GPS 10 ZOOM 10
#C T 340 "The MWSS's crashed into the beehives"
#C T 357 PAUSE 2 GPS 1 "Honey farm's rebuilt again"
#C T 359 X -80 Y 0 PAUSE 2 "No input, no output"
#C T 361 X -19 Y -90 PAUSE 2 "The honey farm and MWSS's\ndestroyed each other"
#C T 365 X -19 Y -2 ZOOM 2 "I hope this was useful!" ]]
x = 212, y = 184, rule = LifeHistory
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Taking one cell out of a beehive destroys it, so I used a honey farm because it's stable :)
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby Redstoneboi » May 17th, 2018, 2:15 am

Update:
I just realized that you could send 4 gliders from 4 directions to check the honey farm.
*Facepalm*
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#C [[ ZOOM 2 GPS 5 LOOP 156
#C T 30 ZOOM 16 "Here's an overview of the new\nHoney Farm D-Pad"
#C T 60 ZOOM 20 GPS 10 "The beehives are dead so the\ngliders pass unharmed."
#C T 69 PAUSE 2 ZOOM 18 GPS 1 "The honey farm's built in\n69 generations : P"
#C T 70 ZOOM 22 X -13 Y 10 ANGLE 22 PAUSE 2 "The SW glider means the top\nbeehive was destroyed."
#C T 71 X -6 Y -17 ANGLE 338 PAUSE 2 "Same story for these ones,\nbut rotated."
#C T 75 X 0 Y 0 ZOOM 10 ANGLE 0 "There was no input since\nthe simulation started,"
#C T 120 GPS 15 "so the gliders crashed into the beehives."
#C T 140 ZOOM 18 PAUSE 2 GPS 1 "The honey farm's rebuilt."
#C T 142 ZOOM 22 X -13 Y 10 ANGLE 22 PAUSE 2 "No input, no output."
#C T 144 X 10 Y 20 ANGLE 338 PAUSE 1 "Nope."
#C T 152 ZOOM 5 X 0 Y 0 ANGLE 0 "That's all of it, I hope\nthis was useful!" ]]
x = 67, y = 65, rule = LifeHistory
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4B5.BD4B5.4B$19.4B2.4B3.BDBD4B3.4B$20.4B2.4B.2BDBD5B.4B$21.4B2.7BD2B.
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4B26.D8.4B$15.4B37.4B$14.4B39.4B$13.2A2B41.4B$13.B2A43.4B$13.AB45.4B$
61.4B$62.4B$63.2B2A$64.2AB$65.BA!
Last edited by Redstoneboi on May 18th, 2018, 11:16 am, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby dvgrn » May 17th, 2018, 10:17 am

Redstoneboi wrote:Update:
I just realized that you could send 4 gliders from 4 directions to check the honey farm.

That's a nice improvement -- I was worried for a moment that it wouldn't work for some combinations of beehive removal, but as long as the test glider timing is close to what's in your example pattern, each glider tests one beehive, and the other beehives won't be there by the time an output glider wants to get through.

Unfortunately the gliders' lanes are only 17hd apart. You need 18hd to allow really easy stable wiring to collect the output signals (by bouncing them away from the opposite glider's input lane with Snarks). But that's not a big deal, probably just a matter of creating the input gliders with edge shooters. Looks good (especially with the labeled LifeViewer waypoints!)
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby Redstoneboi » May 18th, 2018, 7:11 am

1. Thanks, this is like my 5th day here at ConwayLife, nice to see that I've made something good.
2. I was worried about the glider timings and lanes too, but there's probably a good solution.
3. If you're worried about timing, you could use the MWSS scan, so long as they're far enough apart, they won't collide.
4. here's proof that it works for all beehive combinations:
x = 141, y = 211, rule = LifeHistory
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2.D.D.D19.C7.F2.D.D.D19.C7.F$F4.D29.F4.D12.C16.F$F4.D29.F4.D11.C.C15.
F$F34.F16.C.C15.F$F4.2E28.F4.2E11.C16.F$F4.2E8.2C18.F4.2E8.2C18.F$F
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D17.F$F15.5D.2E7.2C2.F15.5D.2E7.2C2.F$F16.D4.2E7.C.C.F16.D4.2E7.C.C.F
$F17.D12.C3.F17.D12.C3.F$F34.F34.F$F34.F34.F$F34.F34.F$141F$F34.F34.F
34.F34.F$F34.F34.F34.F34.F$F.C15.D16.F.C15.D16.F.C15.D16.F.C15.D16.F$
F2.2C8.2E4.D15.F2.2C8.2E4.D15.F2.2C8.2E4.D15.F2.2C8.2E4.D15.F$F.2C9.
2E.5D14.F.2C9.2E.5D14.F.2C9.2E.5D14.F.2C9.2E.5D14.F$F18.D15.F18.D15.F
18.D15.F18.D15.F$F17.D16.F17.D16.F17.D16.F17.D16.F$F19.C14.F19.C14.F
19.C14.F19.C14.F$F19.C.C12.F19.C.C12.F19.C.C12.F19.C.C12.F$F19.2C8.2E
3.F19.2C8.2E3.F19.2C8.2E3.F19.2C8.2E3.F$F29.2E3.F17.C11.2E3.F29.2E3.F
29.2E3.F$F34.F16.C.C15.F34.F34.F$F30.D3.F16.C.C11.D3.F30.D3.F30.D3.F$
F30.D3.F17.C12.D3.F30.D3.F30.D3.F$F8.C19.D.D.D.F8.C19.D.D.D.F8.C19.D.
D.D.F8.C19.D.D.D.F$F9.C2.2C15.3D2.F9.C19.3D2.F9.C11.2C6.3D2.F9.C19.3D
2.F$F4.D2.3C.C2.C10.3C2.D3.F4.D2.3C15.3C2.D3.F4.D2.3C10.C2.C.3C2.D3.F
4.D2.3C15.3C2.D3.F$F3.3D6.2C11.C8.F3.3D19.C8.F3.3D15.2C2.C8.F3.3D19.C
8.F$F2.D.D.D19.C7.F2.D.D.D19.C7.F2.D.D.D19.C7.F2.D.D.D19.C7.F$F4.D29.
F4.D29.F4.D29.F4.D12.C16.F$F4.D29.F4.D29.F4.D29.F4.D11.C.C15.F$F34.F
34.F34.F16.C.C15.F$F4.2E28.F4.2E28.F4.2E28.F4.2E11.C16.F$F4.2E8.2C18.
F4.2E8.2C18.F4.2E8.2C18.F4.2E8.2C18.F$F13.C.C18.F13.C.C18.F13.C.C18.F
13.C.C18.F$F15.C18.F15.C18.F15.C18.F15.C18.F$F17.D16.F17.D16.F17.D16.
F17.D16.F$F16.D17.F16.D17.F16.D17.F16.D17.F$F15.5D.2E7.2C2.F15.5D.2E
7.2C2.F15.5D.2E7.2C2.F15.5D.2E7.2C2.F$F16.D4.2E7.C.C.F16.D4.2E7.C.C.F
16.D4.2E7.C.C.F16.D4.2E7.C.C.F$F17.D12.C3.F17.D12.C3.F17.D12.C3.F17.D
12.C3.F$F34.F34.F34.F34.F$F34.F34.F34.F34.F$F34.F34.F34.F34.F$141F$F
34.F$F34.F$F.C15.D16.F$F2.2C8.2E4.D15.F$F.2C9.2E.5D14.F$F18.D15.F$F
17.D16.F$F19.C14.F$F19.C.C12.F$F19.2C8.2E3.F$F29.2E3.F$F34.F$F30.D3.F
$F30.D3.F$F8.C19.D.D.D.F$F9.C19.3D2.F$F4.D2.3C15.3C2.D3.F$F3.3D19.C8.
F$F2.D.D.D19.C7.F$F4.D29.F$F4.D29.F$F34.F$F4.2E28.F$F4.2E8.2C18.F$F
13.C.C18.F$F15.C18.F$F17.D16.F$F16.D17.F$F15.5D.2E7.2C2.F$F16.D4.2E7.
C.C.F$F17.D12.C3.F$F34.F$F34.F$F34.F$36F!
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby Redstoneboi » May 18th, 2018, 11:33 pm

Here's a little something I made in 5 minutes:
1. Suboptimal, definitely able to shrink the shotgun by advancing a few generations and putting the guns closer, using less guns, maybe even using different edge shooters.
1.5. This uses a slightly modified version of the scan action, the rebuilding gliders were put 1 diagonal away because the edge shooter I'm using destroys the rebuilding gliders from the original. Doesn't affect much.
2. Run in golly at 8^3 or some multiple of 256 and remove some cells from the honey farm in the middle of the pattern.
3. Something annoying about beehives is that if you remove 2 cells from it like this
x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
bo4bo$obo$obo2bobo$bo4bo!

it turns into a blinker and has unpredictable outcomes, and in most cases, the machine won't work properly.
anyway here it is:
x = 378, y = 304, rule = B3/S23
29b2o$29b2o8$14b2o$14b2o8$14b2o$13bo2bo2b2o$14b2o2bobo$16b2o16b2o$16bo
17bo$13b2obo2bo15b3o$13bob2obobo16bo$17bobo$14b2o2bo44bo$12b3ob2o46bo$
11bo50b3o$12b3ob2o$14bob2o2$24b2o$24b2o7b2o$33bo136b2o$31bobo129b2o5b
2o$31b2o130b2o3$165b2o17b2o8b2o$11b2o152b2o17bo9b2o$11b2o146b2o21bobo$
31b2o126b2o21b2o$30b2o168b2o$32bo167b2o$196b2o26b2o11bo$27bo168b2o26b
2o10bobo$26bobo207bobo2b2o3bo$26bobo206b2ob2o2bo2bobo7b2o$27bo211bobo
3bobo7b2o$28b3o20b2o148b2o32b2obo2b4obo$30bo20bo107bo41b2o32b2obobo3bo
$53bo105b3o77bobo3bo$33b2o14b5o108bo77bobo3bo$34bo13bo112b2o78bo3b2o$
34bobo12b3o135b3o$35b2o15bo111b2o24bo$49b4o111bobo20bo2bo$44b2o3bo3b2o
109bo23b2o42b2o$44b2o4b3o2bo132b2o42b2o$52bob2o131bo2bo26b2o$52bo134bo
28bo2bo$51b2o136b2o24bob2o$16b2o197bo48b2o$9b2o5b2o196b2o6b2o40b2o$9b
2o32b2o109b2o65bobo5b2o$43bo110b2o67bo5bo$44b3o165bo17b3o$11b2o27b2o4b
o163b3o19bo10b2o$11b2o27b2o167bo32bobo$5b2o152b2o48b2o31bo$5b2o152b2o
80b2o$46b2o107b2o$46b2o107b2o$42b2o129b2o21b2o$23bo2b2o14b2o128bobo21b
2o$22b2o2b3o132b2o9bo17b2o$21b3o2b2o72b2o59b2o8b2o17b2o7b2o$22b2o2b2o
72b2o96bobo5b2o$47b2o149bo7b2o$5bo41b2o143b2o3b2o$5b3o177b2o5b2o$8bo
176b2o24bo$7b2o198b2obobo$206bobobobo$203bo2bobobobob2o$85b2o116b4ob2o
2bo2bo$85b2o120bo4b2o$205bobo$205b2o$127bo$40b2o86bo$40bo85b3o$41b3o$
2o41bo$2o83b2o$84bo2bo2b2o146bo$85b2o2bobo144b2o$87b2o16b2o130b2o$5b2o
17bo62bo17bo$5b2o15b2o60b2obo2bo15b3o$b2o20b2o59bob2obobo16bo$b2o85bob
o$19b2o21b2o41b2o2bo$18bobo21b2o39b3ob2o44bobo$7b2o9bo17b2o44bo51b2o$
7b2o8b2o17b2o45b3ob2o45bo$85bob2o2$38b2o55b2o$31b2o5b2o55b2o7b2o$31b2o
71bo$102bobo$102b2o$275b2o$268b2o5b2o$268b2o$82b2o$82b2o$101b3o166b2o
17b2o8b2o$101bo168b2o17bo9b2o$102bo161b2o21bobo$264b2o21b2o$98bo206b2o
$97bobo183b3o19b2o$97bobo185bo15b2o$98bo185bo16b2o$99b3o20b2o$101bo20b
o$124bo$104b2o14b5o181b2o$105bo13bo144bo41b2o$105bobo12b3o141b3o$106b
2o15bo143bo$120b4o142b2o$115b2o3bo3b2o$115b2o4b3o2bo$123bob2o$123bo$
122b2o$87b2o$80b2o5b2o$80b2o32b2o183b2o$114bo184bo$115b3o182b3o$82b2o
27b2o4bo71bo69b2o41bo$82b2o27b2o75bobo68b2o$76b2o110bobo89b2o2bobo$76b
2o111bo92b2o2bo$117b2o160bo2b2o2bo$117b2o65bo8b2o69b2o13bobo2b2o$113b
2o68bo2bo5bo2bo68b2o$93b2o2bobo13b2o69b2o7b2o65b2o$92bo2b2o2bo160b2o$
92bo2b2o204b2o$92bobo2b2o89bobo110b2o$118b2o68bobo75b2o27b2o$76bo41b2o
69bo71bo4b2o27b2o$76b3o182b3o$79bo184bo$78b2o183b2o32b2o$290b2o5b2o$
290b2o$255b2o$255bo$252b2obo$252bo2b3o4b2o$253b2o3bo3b2o$111b2o142b4o$
111bo143bo15b2o$112b3o141b3o12bobo$71b2o41bo144bo13bo$71b2o181b5o14b2o
$254bo$256bo20bo$255b2o20b3o$76b2o16bo185bo$76b2o15bo185bobo$72b2o19b
3o183bobo$72b2o206bo$90b2o21b2o$89bobo21b2o161bo$78b2o9bo17b2o168bo$
78b2o8b2o17b2o166b3o$295b2o$295b2o$109b2o$102b2o5b2o$102b2o$275b2o$
274bobo$274bo$273b2o7b2o61b2o$282b2o54b2o5b2o$338b2o$290b2obo$244bo45b
2ob3o$243b2o51bo43b2o17b2o8b2o$243bobo44b2ob3o44b2o17bo9b2o$289bo2b2o
40b2o21bobo$288bobo43b2o21b2o$270bo16bobob2obo59b2o19b2o$270b3o15bo2bo
b2o58bobo19b2o$273bo17bo63bo15b2o$140b2o130b2o16b2o79b2o$141b2o144bobo
2b2o$140bo146b2o2bo2bo$292b2o$376b2o$334bo41b2o$249b2o83b3o$248b2o87bo
$250bo85b2o$172b2o$171bobo$165b2o4bo120b2o$163bo2bo2b2ob4o116b2o$163b
2obobobobo2bo$166bobobobo$166bobob2o$167bo24b2o175b2o$185b2o5b2o175bo$
180b2o3b2o183b3o$171b2o7bo148b2o41bo$171b2o5bobo96b2o50b2o21bo$178b2o
7b2o17b2o8b2o59b2o72b6o$187b2o17bo9b2o132bo2b2ob2o$181b2o21bobo142b2ob
o3b2o$181b2o21b2o128b2o14bob4o$222b2o110b2o17b2o$222b2o106b2o$136b2o
80b2o110b2o$136bo31b2o48b2o151b2o$134bobo32bo201b2o$134b2o10bo19b3o
167b2o27b2o$146b3o17bo164bo4b2o27b2o$149bo5bo67b2o106b3o$148b2o5bobo
65b2o109bo$113b2o40b2o6b2o168b2o32b2o$113b2o48bo196b2o5b2o$160b2obo24b
2o170b2o$159bo2bo28bo133b2o$160b2o26bo2bo133bo$145b2o42b2o131b2obo$
145b2o42b2o23bo107bo2b3o4b2o$188bo2bo20bobo108b2o3bo3b2o$188bo24b2o
110b4o$189b3o133bo15b2o$132b2o3bo78b2o108b3o12bobo$132bo3bobo77bo112bo
13bo$133bo3bobo77b3o104b5o14b2o$134bo3bobob2o32b2o41bo104bo$132bob4o2b
ob2o32b2o148bo20bo$122b2o7bobo3bobo185b2o20b3o$122b2o7bobo2bo2b2ob2o
206bo$132bo3b2o2bobo206bobo$140bobo10b2o26b2o166bobo$141bo11b2o26b2o
167bo$177b2o$177b2o$195b2o21b2o127bo$194bobo21b2o125bobo$183b2o9bo17b
2o132b2o17b2o$183b2o8b2o17b2o151b2o3$214b2o$207b2o5b2o129b2o$207b2o
135bobo$344bo$343b2o7b2o$352b2o2$360b2obo$313b2o45b2ob3o$312b2o52bo$
314bo45b2ob3o$359bo2b2o$358bobo$340bo16bobob2obo$340b3o15bo2bob2o$343b
o17bo$342b2o16b2o$357bobo2b2o$357b2o2bo2bo$362b2o8$362b2o$362b2o8$347b
2o$347b2o!
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby dvgrn » May 19th, 2018, 9:05 am

Redstoneboi wrote:3. Something annoying about beehives is that if you remove 2 cells from it...
it turns into a blinker and has unpredictable outcomes, and in most cases, the machine won't work properly.

Hm, and I suppose if we're doing "control by Golly scribbling in state 0", that could be a problem. Clicking with state 0 in Golly is safe, but also subject to having the control not work if you click on the two cells in the center.

Are there other similar options? Can a traffic light be tested in the same kind of way, so that a state-0 scribble will work a little more reliably?
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby Majestas32 » May 19th, 2018, 10:29 am

Maybe have the layer focus be on the innermost cells only?
I type all my RLE's by hand. Golly is for wimps.
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby danny » May 19th, 2018, 12:08 pm

Another problem with the beehive is that if you remove *another* set of two cells, this happens:
x = 2, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
bo$o$o$bo!
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby Redstoneboi » May 20th, 2018, 1:43 am

dvgrn wrote:
Redstoneboi wrote:3. Something annoying about beehives is that if you remove 2 cells from it...
it turns into a blinker and has unpredictable outcomes, and in most cases, the machine won't work properly.

Are there other similar options? Can a traffic light be tested in the same kind of way, so that a state-0 scribble will work a little more reliably?


x = 65, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
29.A.A30.A.A$29.2A31.2A$.A28.A3.A28.A$2.A32.A$3A30.3A5$15.A30.D.A4.D$
14.A26.D3.2DA5.D.D$14.3A25.2D.D.C2A3.2D$41.2D$55.D$13.3A39.2D$8.A32.A
12.D.D$6.A.A2.A5.A21.A.A$7.2A2.A5.A2.2A18.2A11.2A$11.A5.A2.A.A30.A.A$
20.A32.A$13.3A3$12.3A30.3A$14.A32.A$13.A32.A!


implementing traffic lights is harder, as the output lanes hit the reconstruction lanes for this 2 glider traffic lights recipe. the phase of the TL recipe shouldn't matter so long as we can delay the gliders by an odd number of generations.

the problem is either absorbing the output gliders before reconstruction, find a different construction recipe, or find a different scanning formation.

if we switched to MWSS's
x = 17, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
4.2A6.2A$3.2A.3A2.2A.3A$4.5A3.5A$5.3A5.3A2$4.A$4.A$4.A2$3A3.3A2$4.A$
4.A$4.A!

if LWSS's
x = 9, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
4.2A$3.2A.2A$4.4A$5.2A2$4.A$4.A$4.A2$3A3.3A2$4.A$4.A$4.A!
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby dvgrn » May 20th, 2018, 6:08 am

Redstoneboi wrote:implementing traffic lights is harder, as the output lanes hit the reconstruction lanes for this 2 glider traffic lights recipe. the phase of the TL recipe shouldn't matter so long as we can delay the gliders by an odd number of generations.

the problem is either absorbing the output gliders before reconstruction, find a different construction recipe, or find a different scanning formation.

It's not terribly difficult to use edge shooters, or even just Herschel conduits with the right transparent lanes, to make the construction-recipe gliders. But for simplicity maybe it's best to just not use gliders for the reconstruction:

x = 66, y = 42, rule = LifeHistory
33.D.A$32.2DA$32.D.C2A2$42.D15.A$33.3A6.2D12.A3.A$28.A12.D.D11.A$26.A
.A2.A5.A17.A4.A$27.2A2.A5.A2.2A13.5A$.3A27.A5.A2.A.A$5A20.D.D12.A$3A.
2A19.2D6.3A$3.2A21.D2$32.2AC.D$34.A2D$33.A.D18$63.2A$62.4A$61.2A.2A$
62.2A$8.2A$7.4A$7.2A.2A$9.2A!

This seems pretty good, doesn't it? There's not much that can go wrong when you're removing cells from blinkers.

The only possible failure mode would be trying to remove cells just as the blinker is being tested by a glider. As long as editing only happens at the right phase mod 2^N -- since we're using HashLife to try to run the Tetris computer quickly anyway -- it seems like that shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Quest-for-Tetris Challenges

Postby Redstoneboi » May 20th, 2018, 6:46 am

dvgrn wrote:But for simplicity maybe it's best to just not use gliders for the reconstruction:

rle

This seems pretty good, doesn't it? There's not much that can go wrong when you're removing cells from blinkers.


That’s great! I didn’t know there was a MWSS TL synthesis, that would make things more elegant.
Now we just have to make sure the synthesis is in the correct phase, or else the next scan might result in chaos.
now, I haven’t really made any big herschel circuitry, so can someone make a g-TLscan converter with edge shooters?

I just need to practice a bit. maybe make my own g-lwss synthesis, even if suboptimal. Anyway good luck putting the word "game" back in game of life!
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