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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » June 11th, 2013, 11:43 am

dvgrn wrote:Recipes from the slow-salvo eater recipe list posted this morning on another thread can be interpreted by the following script: ...

Here's a list of atomic block-move recipes in the same format. "Atomic" means that the recipe isn't made up of two smaller recipes from the same table. Another way of saying this is that the intermediate target object only goes back to being a plain block at the very end, never in the middle.

It's quite possible that some recipes are equivalent, with a little rearranging, to a combination of two or more smaller recipes -- haven't found a good example of that yet.

EDIT: Updated the list to use the new EO (even/odd) format. With any luck this will be slightly easier to work with than the subtle differences in punctuation I was using before. I know capital O's look like zeroes, but luckily only odd numbers are allowed as glider lanes, so there aren't many zeroes to get confused by...

Unfortunately I had to take the optional spaces out of all the recipes to get this post back down to an allowable size. The script still accepts the recipes just fine, and the whitespace is still available in the updated attachment.


1844 slow p2 block-move recipes with 1-8 gliders:
m1,2:E-11
m1,12:E-9E-1O-7
m10,14:E-9E-15O-7
m-12,11:E-9E13E-7
m5,12:E-9E-29E35
m5,8:E9E15O9
m8,9:E-9E13E-51
m-8,7:E9E29E9
m0,11:E9E9O19O-15
m0,12:E9E-7E23O-17
m1,7:E-9E11E3E-23
m10,10:E-9E13E9E-51
m-10,12:E-9E13E-35E-7
m11,14:E9E9E-5O19
m11,15:E9E-7E23E-9
m-11,13:E-9E13E-57E-7
m-15,4:E9E15E11E5
m-19,8:E-9E-1E-5E-11
m2,14:E-9E-1O-33O-7
m-2,0:E-9E-3E-7O-9
m-2,1:E9E13E29E5
m3,5:E-9E-27E-19E7
m3,8:E-9E-9O-3O3
m-3,1:E-9E-3E-7E-3
m4,7:E-9E-7O3O-13
m4,8:E-9E7E-23O-1
m-4,15:E-9E-7O-31O3
m-4,16:E-9E-23E7O-33
m-4,2:E-9E-13E-9O-7
m6,10:E9E15O-17O9
m6,14:E-9E-29E-25E35
m-6,5:E-9E-3E13E-11
m-6,8:E9E29E-19E9
m7,13:E-9E-29E-3E35
m7,18:E-9E-7O3E-23
m7,19:E-9E-23E7E-25
m-7,9:E9E29E-41E9
m9,11:E-9E13E-13E-51
m0,1:E-9E-15E1O11O-5
m0,16:E-9E-7E-37E-35O3
m0,17:E-9E-23E7E-39E-37
m0,3:E-9E-3E-7O3E3
m0,4:E9E-7E-11E29E-7
m0,5:E9E3E3O3O23
m1,13:E9E9O-15O-33O-3
m1,14:E9E27E13O21O-41
m1,16:E-9E-7O1O17O-35
m1,19:E-9E7E-17O-7O-1
m1,24:E-9E-7O-39O-37O3
m1,25:E-9E-23E7O-41O-39
m1,3:E9E-7E5E29E27
m1,4:E-9E-1E17E23E-15
m1,5:E-9E-9O-3O9O-19
m-1,0:E9E3E3E-13E23
m-1,-1:E9E3E7E-5E-5
m-1,10:E-9E7E-27E3O-13
m-1,11:E-9E-27E-1E-17E3
m-1,12:E-9E-7O-39O-9E-45
m-1,2:E9E15O35E13O7
m-1,4:E-9E-3E-7E-15E-1
m-1,5:E-9E-15E1O1E7
m-1,7:E-9E-3E-3O-17E9
m-1,8:E-9E-15E-23O-5O-27
m-1,9:E-9E7E-17E-25E3
m10,13:E9E9E7O19E-1
m-10,1:E-9E-1O-19E-23O-21
m-10,15:E-9E13E-57E-59E-7
m-10,3:E-9E11E-3E-29E-19
m-10,-8:E9E3E3O3E-5
m11,12:E-9E13E9E-11E-51
m-11,18:E9E1O-13O5O-29
m-11,4:E-9E7E-9E-35E-53
m12,13:E9E7O5O7O19
m12,16:E9E9E-5O-17O19
m13,13:E-9E-23E7O-7O-9
m13,15:E9E9E-5O5O19
m-13,9:E-9E7E-7E-23O23
m-14,2:E9E3E-11E5E29
m-14,-4:E-9E-13E-13O-13E-21
m-15,22:E-9E-15O-29O-45O-11
m-15,3:E9E27E17E7E35
m-15,8:E-9E-3E-3E13O-33
m-18,6:E-9E7E-9O-35E-3
m-19,7:E-9E11E1E-9O9
m2,12:E9E9O-15O-11O-3
m2,15:E-9E-7O1O17O-21
m2,6:E9E23E-5E19E9
m2,7:E-9E7E-27E3O-7
m2,8:E-9E11E-3E-23E7
m2,9:E-9E-23E3E-23E3
m-2,-1:E-9E11E-3O3E-31
m-2,10:E-9E7E-21E3E-9
m-2,11:E-9E-15O3O-1E9
m-2,16:E-9E-7O-31O-27O3
m-2,-2:E9E23E-11O17O15
m-2,3:E9E13E13O-15O23
m-2,5:E-9E-13E-9O-19E-5
m-2,6:E9E23E-11E-5O-1
m-2,9:E9E3E-1E-3E-3
m3,12:E-9E-15O3E-17O5
m3,13:E-9E-1E-1O-11O7
m3,14:E-9E-7E-27O-33O3
m3,16:E-9E-1O-33O-35O-7
m3,3:E-9E-15E1O11O1
m3,4:E9E1E-7O11O-11
m3,6:E-9E-23E11E-19O-9
m3,7:E9E-11E15E-1E19
m-3,17:E-9E-7O-31O-49O3
m-3,18:E-9E11E-3O5O-57
m-3,2:E-9E-1E5O-7O3
m-3,-2:E-9E-13E-13O-13O-33
m-3,3:E9E15E-1E31O19
m-3,-3:E-9E-3E-3O-3E1
m-3,4:E9E1E-5O17O27
m-3,5:E9E15E-1E1E-1
m-3,7:E-9E-23E-11E13E11
m4,10:E-9E-9O-3O-21O3
m4,12:E9E9E-21E-19O-3
m4,13:E9E-7E23E-23E-21
m4,15:E-9E-1O-33O-13O-7
m4,16:E-9E-15O-35O-27O-7
m4,6:E-9E-27E-13E7E-23
m4,9:E-9E11E-7E-11E3
m-4,3:E9E23E-5E11O-9
m-4,-4:E9E1E-15E3O11
m-4,5:E-9E-15O3E7O-7
m-4,6:E9E1E5O-15O27
m-4,8:E-9E-23E-27E13E-23
m-4,9:E9E29E-19E-17E9
m5,11:E-9E-7E-7E-9O3
m5,15:E9E23E-1O9O15
m5,20:E9E9O-23O-21O-3
m5,21:E9E-7E23O-25O-23
m5,6:E-9E7E-19E7E-19
m-5,10:E9E29E-19E-39E9
m-5,2:E-9E-27E-13O-19E15
m-5,-2:E-9E-3E-3E-29O19
m-5,3:E-9E-13E-9E-3E-19
m-5,4:E-9E-13E-13E-29E7
m-5,6:E-9E-1O19E-3O-9
m6,11:E9E9O17O33O-5
m6,17:E-9E-7E-9O3E-17
m6,18:E-9E-23E7E-37E-29
m6,8:E-9E-7O-13O5O-19
m-6,1:E-9E-3E-3O-3O17
m-6,-1:E9E27E13E-13E5
m-6,10:E-9E7E-27E-21O-17
m-6,11:E9E29E-41E-43E9
m-6,13:E-9E-13E-17E-19E-19
m-6,2:E-9E7E-27O1O-1
m-6,-3:E9E15O-3E-7O-5
m-6,4:E-9E-1O9O-9O-27
m-6,7:E-9E-3E-3O-31O7
m7,10:E9E9E-11O-17O19
m7,12:E9E15O-17O-19O9
m7,16:E-9E-29E-25E-27E35
m7,8:E9E1O19E-1O27
m7,9:E-9E-9E-9E-7O-19
m-7,0:E9E23E7E-19E-37
m-7,1:E-9E-13E-13O-13E-17
m-7,-2:E-9E-17E31O41O-45
m-7,7:E-9E-1E-17E15O3
m-7,8:E-9E-15E-21O1O5
m8,11:E9E15O-17O3O9
m8,12:E9E1O-19O-11O9
m8,15:E-9E-29E-25E-5E35
m8,17:E-9E-9O-11O-9O3
m8,20:E-9E-7E-21O-33O3
m-8,0:E-9E-15E-31E-13O-5
m-8,10:E-9E-15E-11O-31O5
m-8,13:E-9E13E-35E-33E-7
m9,14:E-9E-29E-3E-1E35
m9,17:E-9E7E-23O-9O-7
m9,19:E-9E-7E-21O-11O3
m-9,14:E-9E13E-35E-55E-7
m-9,5:E9E23E9E-7O39
m0,0:E9E15E-1E7O-11O-5
m0,10:E-9E-9E-13O-17E13O-5
m0,13:E-9E-9O23E-11O-37O39
m0,14:E-9E-9O-5O-9E5O7
m0,15:E-9E-7O-9O1E-19O3
m0,18:E-9E-7O-9O-21O-39E3
m0,19:E-9E-23E7O-23O-23E-39
m0,2:E9E-7E27E19O25O15
m0,20:E-9E-9O-11O7O9E-9
m0,6:E-9E-9O-13O-7E-9O-5
m0,7:E-9E-9O7O9O17O-23
m0,8:E9E7E37O-1E37E-3
m0,9:E-9E-9E21O-11O-19O-9
m1,1:E-9E-27E-19E13O-27O-17
m1,10:E-9E-7E-3O11O-9E-9
m1,11:E-9E-9E11O-13E-27E-7
m1,15:E-9E-7E-25O-13O3E-13
m1,17:E-9E-9O-13O-5E5O9
m1,18:E-9E-7E-27O-25O-27O3
m1,20:E-9E-9O-11O7O9E-33
m1,21:E-9E-23E7E-37O-39E-33
m1,28:E-9E7E7E-17E-5E9
m1,6:E9E7O39O9O19O27
m1,8:E9E-7E5E-3O-13E33
m1,9:E-9E-9O-3O-27O3E-3
m-1,1:E9E7E7O9O15E9
m-1,13:E-9E-23E7E-37E-13E-21
m-1,14:E-9E-7O-9E-5O3E-15
m-1,15:E-9E-7O1E9O-9O3
m-1,16:E-9E-1O-19O-15O-23O-11
m-1,17:E-9E-7E-9O-15O-7O3
m-1,18:E-9E-7O-31O-49O-29O3
m-1,20:E-9E-7E-37E-27O-35O3
m-1,26:E-9E-7O-27O-7E-59E3
m-1,3:E-9E-9O7O-11E-17E-19
m-1,6:E-9E-9O-27O-21E-19O-3
m10,11:E9E9E13O27E-9E-7
m10,12:E9E9E-9O19E-1E19
m10,15:E-9E-9O7O23E25O3
m10,16:E-9E-7O-5O-15E3O-33
m10,17:E-9E-23E7O-7O-17O-35
m10,18:E-9E-9O-11O-9O-7O3
m10,19:E-9E-7O-5E-15O3O-29
m10,20:E-9E-29E-5E1O-5O35
m10,21:E-9E-7E-21O-33O-13O3
m10,23:E-9E-7E-37E-27E-25O3
m10,24:E-9E-7O1O-31O-7O-27
m-10,-1:E9E7O13O25O-15O1
m-10,11:E-9E-3E11E-19E-35E7
m-10,13:E-9E-15E-23O-1O-55O5
m-10,14:E-9E-13E-13O-3O-23O-19
m-10,16:E-9E1O5O-11E7E-37
m-10,18:E-9E-9E19O-17E1O9
m-10,2:E-9E-3E-3O-3E-25O-19
m-10,-2:E-9E-3E-3O-19E19E-9
m-10,20:E9E1O-13O-29O-69O5
m-10,22:E-9E-15E1E-7O-5E-31
m-10,23:E-9E-7E-9E-29O-9E-5
m-10,24:E-9E-7O-33O-87O-51E-21
m-10,-3:E9E27E13E-13E-15E-23
m-10,4:E9E23E7O-27E-5O-23
m-10,-4:E-9E-3E11E17E13E11
m-10,5:E-9E-3E11E7E-27E-9
m-10,6:E-9E7E-9E-35E-41E-53
m-10,-6:E9E15O35O19O29O-7
m-10,7:E-9E-15E-15O-17O-39O-7
m-10,8:E-9E-15E-31E-13O-9O-31
m-10,9:E-9E7E-9E-33O-53O-53
m11,11:E-9E-9E-13O-27E7E23
m11,13:E9E9O-7O-9E5O19
m11,16:E-9E-7O-9E-29E1E3
m11,19:E9E9E-3O7O35O-3
m11,20:E-9E-7E-21O-11O-9O3
m11,24:E9E-11E7E-5O23O-3
m11,28:E-9E11E11E17O7E-15
m-11,0:E9E9O-19E-11O-15E31
m-11,1:E9E13E27E9E-9E45
m-11,-1:E9E15E31O9O-1O-9
m-11,10:E-9E7E-7E-23E-33O23
m-11,-10:E9E-11E3E23E7E9
m-11,16:E-9E7E-9E-55E-59E-35
m-11,17:E-9E-13E-17E-19E-23E-41
m-11,2:E-9E-3E-3O3O-31E-9
m-11,22:E-9E-15O-29O-87O-45O-11
m-11,23:E-9E13E-55E-47O-53E-7
m-11,3:E9E15O-3O-13E17O9
m-11,31:E-9E-15O-29O-11O-71O-45
m-11,5:E9E15E29E31O13E-13
m-11,-5:E-9E11E-3E-23E-7E5
m-11,6:E9E3E-1E9O-21E-23
m-11,7:E-9E-15O-17O-15E-15O-5
m-11,8:E9E9O13E35O-31O-9
m-11,9:E-9E-15E-15E-29O-3O5
m12,12:E-9E-9O19O17O-19E13
m12,14:E-9E-9E9O-11O-19O-1
m12,15:E-9E-9O-7E13E-17E-19
m12,17:E9E9O-23E-13O19O1
m12,18:E9E-7E23O-25E-15O-1
m12,20:E-9E-7O1O-31E-17O-41
m12,21:E-9E-7E-27O-25E-17O3
m12,22:E-9E-1E5E-13E-1O-35
m12,26:E-9E-15E-29E-19O-31E-21
m-12,0:E-9E-3E13E-5O-45O-21
m-12,1:E9E9O19O7O-23O-29
m-12,10:E-9E-15E-11E-23E-37E5
m-12,13:E-9E-7E-3O19O-43O-43
m-12,14:E-9E-15O-35O-31O-19E1
m-12,15:E-9E-9O23E3E5O9
m-12,2:E9E-7E23O5O-25O-31
m-12,3:E-9E7E-9E-25E-33O-37
m-12,-3:E-9E-3E-3O-29E-7O7
m-12,4:E9E9O13E35O-25O-13
m-12,5:E9E9O-19O-31O29O-17
m-12,-5:E9E15E29O19O5E-13
m-12,6:E-9E-7O-23O-35O3E-43
m-12,7:E9E23E7E-9E-5O-71
m-12,-7:E9E9O11O17O19O21
m-12,-8:E9E1E17E-11E29E15
m13,14:E-9E7E-23O-9O1O19
m13,16:E9E9O-7O-13O-5E19
m13,17:E9E29E5E13O7O-35
m13,18:E9E9E-5O-17O-19O19
m13,21:E-9E-29E-23E-1E-55E35
m13,24:E-9E-15O-31E-13E-3E-3
m-13,0:E9E23E7E-5O-15E-37
m-13,11:E9E23E7O-3E-7O-25
m-13,12:E-9E-15O-35O1O-17E-17
m-13,-12:E-9E-3E-3O3E-3O5
m-13,15:E-9E-7E-19O-33O-39E3
m-13,16:E-9E-23E7E-21O-35O-41
m-13,18:E-9E-15O-29O-55O-71O-11
m-13,2:E-9E-15E-21E1E1O13
m-13,23:E-9E-15O-29O-45O-63O-11
m-13,-3:E-9E-1O1E15O-11E7
m-13,30:E9E-7E5E9E-41O-35
m-13,4:E-9E-3E-3O-31O-19E-31
m-13,5:E-9E7E-9O-43E-21E-35
m-13,6:E-9E-3E-3O-27E-29O19
m-13,7:E-9E7E-9O-43E-21E-47
m-13,8:E9E23E7E-19E-3E-27
m14,14:E-9E-7O-5O-7O-9O-19
m14,15:E9E9O11E1O19O-13
m14,16:E9E-7E23O9E-1O-15
m14,17:E9E9E-5O-17O3O19
m14,19:E9E9E-21E-11E-9O19
m14,20:E9E9O17O-15O9O-11
m-14,0:E-9E-27E-27E-35E-23E-51
m-14,1:E-9E-3E-3O-29E-19O-1
m-14,11:E-9E-15E1O-29E-21O15
m-14,-13:E9E13E13E-13E-23O15
m-14,14:E9E27E13E-13E-17O-61
m-14,-2:E-9E-1O19O3O13E-31
m-14,24:E-9E-15O-29O-45O-85O-11
m-14,3:E-9E-9O-3O9O-31O-15
m-14,5:E9E27E17E7E-47E35
m-14,8:E-9E7E-9O-43E-21O-39
m15,16:E9E9E-5O5O7O19
m15,24:E9E27E27E33O23E1
m15,25:E-9E-23E-7O19O-19E37
m15,26:E-9E-29E-23E-29O-21O35
m-15,10:E-9E-13E-17E-7O-37E-39
m-15,12:E-9E-7O-3E19O-47E-31
m-15,13:E-9E-15E-11O-45O-49O5
m-15,5:E-9E-3E11E-7E29E-25
m-15,6:E-9E7E-9E-57E-29O-29
m-15,-6:E-9E-27E-13E7E-9E-7
m-15,7:E-9E-1O-19O-29E1O-9
m-15,9:E-9E-15O-35O1E-41E-9
m16,16:E9E9O17O-15E-1O-25
m16,17:E9E9E-11O-9E-1O19
m16,18:E9E15E21E3E15O-19
m16,22:E9E1E-13E-3O-15E-5
m-16,1:E-9E-3E-3E-33E-31O-27
m-16,-1:E-9E-3E11E-7E29E-9
m-16,11:E-9E7E-9E-25E-21O-87
m-16,14:E9E-7E5E9E9E-59
m-16,-3:E-9E-7O-5O1O3O5
m-16,-4:E-9E-15E1E-27E13E-1
m-16,5:E-9E-7O3O-9O-39O-45
m-16,6:E9E7O35E9O31E-13
m-16,7:E-9E7E-9O-51E-41E-9
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The above is missing the 9-glider salvos due to post length limitations. I've attached the full table below.
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Atomic block-move recipes with p2 slow salvos, 1-9 gliders
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » June 12th, 2013, 9:21 am

dvgrn wrote:Here's a list of atomic block-move recipes in the same format.

Wrote a quick script yesterday to create composite block-move recipes from atomic ones. The script is attached as "combine-p2-recipes.txt" -- the forum doesn't allow attaching .py files, and with all the recipes hard-coded into a dictionary the file is too long for a code box.

EDIT 9/26/2013: updated to use E/O format. There may be some bugs relating to handling old punctuation format, or combining recipes that are not simple block moves.

This is very rough code -- if anyone really wants something more user-friendly, let me know. The next version should really allow block moves to be strung together with (e.g.) eater or block-splitter recipes... but it's probably better if I concentrate on building that functionality straight into the compiler.

Here's a sample use of the script, to manually generate the full recipe that Triller was asking about:

'm10,14&m35,13&m30,26&m30,26'

First combine the first two atomic recipes by copying 'm10,14&m35,13' to the clipboard. When you run the script, automatically tries to use the clipboard contents as input, so you only get an input box if there's nothing good in the clipboard. The resulting combined recipe ends up back in the clipboard; paste it somewhere, then do the same with 'm30,26&m30,26'. At the end, you'll have

m45,27:E-9 E-15 O-7 E1 E-1 O27 E3 E15 O35 E3
m60,52:E9 E15 O31 E13 E3 E17 E17 E23 O39 E21 E11 E25

Eventually I'll get around to fixing the script so that it can accept more than two sub-recipes -- i.e., it will produce the right output from the entire original string, 'm10,14&m35,13&m30,26&m30,26', in one step. Until that happy day comes, just copy "m45,27:E-9 E-15 O-7 E1 E-1 O27 E3 E15 O35 E3&m60,52:E9 E15 O31 E13 E3 E17 E17 E23 O39 E21 E11 E25" to the clipboard and re-run the script, and you'll get the final recipe:

m105,79:E-9 E-15 O-7 E1 E-1 O27 E3 E15 O35 E3 E45 E51 O67 E49 E39 E53 E53 E59 O75 E57 E47 E61

And run that through the slow-salvo-builder script to get some actual RLE so you can see if it works:

x = 3203, y = 3173, rule = LifeHistory
2E$2E19$15.3A$15.A$16.A148$162.3A$162.A$163.A148$317.2A$316.2A$318.A
148$470.3A$470.A$471.A148$619.3A$619.A$620.A148$784.2A$783.2A$785.A
148$921.3A$921.A$922.A148$1077.3A$1077.A$1078.A148$1238.2A$1237.2A$
1239.A148$1371.3A$1371.A$1372.A148$1542.3A$1542.A$1543.A148$1695.3A$
1695.A$1696.A148$1854.2A$1853.2A$1855.A148$1994.3A$1994.A$1995.A148$
2139.3A$2139.A$2140.A148$2296.3A$2296.A$2297.A148$2446.3A$2446.A$
2447.A148$2599.3A$2599.A$2600.A148$2758.2A$2757.2A$2759.A148$2898.3A$
2898.A$2899.A148$3043.3A$3043.A$3044.A148$3200.3A$3200.A$3201.A!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 9th, 2013, 7:50 am

Recently I finally managed to get an elbow-operation search to produce some new results before running out of memory. Already-known glider-output recipes for up to four pairs of gliders were

-19(-34), -9(-13), -8(-4), -8(-3), -5(-13), -4(-16), -2(-3)

plus -18(8), -5(-3), -2(15), 0(-11), and 1(-17) recipes, if singleton gliders as well as pairs are allowed.

In this notation the first number is the distance that the elbow moves, and the number in parentheses is the output lane. Note that the two measurements are at different scales; the elbow move is measured in full diagonals (fd), but the lane measurement is in half diagonals (hd). The lane number is not in Glue format -- adjacent glider lanes are just one unit apart, not two... Also, the attached DOpSearch code actually gives lane numbers that are off by two from the numbering system I'm using here (!)

[I'm just as confused by this as anybody else, but converting the search code to "Glue Standard Units" is likely to be even more confusing at this point. For the time being it's only important to make sure that the relative distances between lanes are all correct. If I do standardize the lane numbering later on, I'll update the lists and note the change here.]

Anyway, the latest search has turned up a whole pile of new 5-cycle glider-output operations:

-2(15), -5(-19), -5(-16), -5(-17), -6(-9), -6(-11), -8(-14), -8(-18), -9(-6), -9(-29), -11(-18), -11(-6), -11(-17), -14(-9),-14(-4), -16(-13), -19(-18)

I'll post the complete recipes as soon as they're all sorted and double-checked. These are only the tip of the iceberg, of course -- I'm pretty sure this latest 5-cycle search was not exhaustive, and no doubt extending the search to 6 cycles and above would turn up many, many more recipes. This just seems like a good place to draw the line for now...!

I've attached a ZIP archive of the (Windows-specific) code I'm using to search for two-lane elbow operations. Paul Chapman wrote it in 2010 after the Gemini spaceship came out.

The name, "DOpSearch", is based on some arcane terminology we came up with at the time to describe elbow-move operations. An A-operation would be an elbow move/glider output that uses just one pair of gliders hitting the elbow -- one on each of the two key lanes. A B-operation uses two cycles -- two glider pairs (or singleton gliders), separated by an arbitrary number of ticks but phased to allow P2 intermediate patterns. A C-op is three cycles, and a D-op is four cycles.

Above four pairs of gliders the search space gets too deep and the current code starts running out of memory. Some serious refactoring would probably have to be done to reliably extend the search to five or more cycles.

This version of DOpSearch is a pre-alpha release that probably shouldn't really be released. However, it _could_ actually be used to find elbow operations for different lane separations -- or more INC, DEC, or glider-output operations for the "standard" Geminoid (-5,4) lane pairing. So far I haven't had much luck finding new INC and DEC operations, but quite a few alternate 5-cycle glider outputs turned out to be within easy reach.

Use of this code may be dangerous to your peace of mind -- no express or implied warranty as to fitness for any particular purpose, etc., etc., and apologies in advance. I'll answer questions about getting the code running if anyone turns out to be really interested.

EDIT 9/29/2013: Updated ZIP file to version 1.1, removing an unnecessary "import build" line and defaulting to a search for elbow operations at 10hd separation.
EDIT 2 2/11/2014: Source code for RLife8.DLL is now available.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 9th, 2013, 2:31 pm

Here's the updated collection of known Geminoid 9hd glider-pair salvos. There are probably many more 5-glider-pair recipes out there to be found.

#C 20 elbow-move recipes and 28 glider-output recipes,
#C   for pairs of gliders on 9hd-spaced lanes
x = 1792, y = 508, rule = LifeHistory
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59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F59.F$560.A179.A842.A$57.F
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3A57.2A58.3A56.2A50.3A66.2A49.3A56.A.A66.A$83.A308.A.A117.A.A177.A
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$156.A291.2A58.2A117.A419.A68.A111.2A116.A$277.3A57.3A108.A.A57.A.A
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878.A600.3A$590.2A178.2A707.A$402.2A185.2A178.2A171.2A536.A$112.2A
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3A$1380.2A247.2A107.2A7.A$550.2A718.2A108.A.A245.2A110.A7.A$191.2A
357.A.A717.A.A107.A249.A$190.2A358.A661.2A56.A241.2A$192.A1018.2A299.
A.A$1213.A298.A113.A$315.2A58.2A597.3A169.2A477.2A$315.A.A57.A.A596.A
52.2A117.A.A418.2A56.A.A$315.A59.A599.A51.A.A116.A60.3A357.A.A$1027.A
179.A359.A$679.2A527.A$679.A.A239.A177.3A$671.3A5.A240.2A177.A$671.A
248.A.A169.3A5.A$672.A419.A422.A$445.A647.A420.2A$135.3A306.2A831.A
58.2A176.A.A67.3A$135.A180.3A125.A.A110.2A717.2A58.A.A118.2A125.A$
136.A179.A239.2A718.A.A57.A120.A.A125.A$317.A240.A60.2A128.A49.2A598.
2A56.A$200.2A238.2A177.A.A8.A117.2A49.A.A8.A588.A.A$200.A.A237.A.A
176.A9.2A117.A.A48.A9.2A588.A$200.A239.A188.A.A177.A.A2$744.2A178.2A
548.A$744.A.A177.A.A57.3A486.2A$155.2A587.A179.A59.A488.A.A$155.A.A
827.A$155.A$878.2A$518.3A357.A.A179.A$518.A359.A180.2A$519.A539.A.A2$
274.2A$274.A.A$274.A$1726.2A$1547.2A177.A.A$1546.2A178.A$879.3A666.A$
879.A370.2A528.3A$880.A368.2A529.A$1251.A529.A$1184.2A477.3A$1183.2A
250.A227.A$414.3A768.A248.2A111.A116.A$414.A1019.A.A109.2A$415.A600.
3A527.A.A68.2A$1016.A233.A128.A236.2A$600.A110.A305.A231.2A68.2A57.2A
238.A$411.2A186.2A109.2A419.2A116.A.A66.2A58.A.A$240.3A118.2A48.A.A
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A$483.A52.2A239.A$535.2A239.2A$357.3A177.A60.2A176.A.A187.3A350.A58.
2A$357.A240.A.A365.A241.2A108.2A57.2A$358.A239.A70.2A178.2A116.A239.
2A109.A.A58.A$668.2A178.2A359.A$670.A179.A$1092.2A530.A$844.2A238.2A
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3A$486.A180.A838.A$487.A1019.A2$1031.2A$1030.2A130.A$1032.A128.2A$
323.2A478.2A356.A.A$322.2A479.A.A949.2A$324.A478.A950.2A$316.3A1437.A
$316.A$317.A429.3A$747.A$748.A232.2A$981.A.A$981.A$444.2A487.2A350.A$
444.A.A126.3A357.A.A348.2A$444.A128.A359.A350.A.A$574.A$268.2A$268.A.
A$268.A$390.3A247.2A$390.A249.A.A$391.A248.A713.A58.2A$1353.2A57.2A$
1353.A.A58.A$576.2A$576.A.A$576.A300.3A$708.2A167.A$708.A.A167.A910.
2A$708.A1080.A.A$1789.A3$1253.3A$1253.A$1254.A6$1201.3A$1014.2A185.A$
534.3A477.A.A185.A$534.A479.A241.2A$535.A719.2A$1257.A$779.2A$778.2A$
780.A3$313.2A$312.2A299.3A$314.A298.A$614.A2$798.2A$797.2A$799.A13$
623.3A$623.A$624.A!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » July 9th, 2013, 4:12 pm

I wonder, is the distance between input glider lanes chosen arbitrarily?
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 9th, 2013, 10:31 pm

codeholic wrote:I wonder, is the distance between input glider lanes chosen arbitrarily?

Yes, more or less. The DOpSearch code spits out stuff like this:

13:04:49 Looking for cleanups of Operation(debris=X(-6, -1)*P.BLINKER)
13:04:49   2o$2o4b2o$6bobo$6bo3$2b2o$b2o$3bo131$145bo$144b2o$144bobo7$145bo$144b2o$144bobo136$291b2o$290b2o$292bo7$290b3o$290bo$291bo!
13:04:53 Cleanup(s) found: Operation(inc=-1) - for example:
13:04:53   2o$2o4b2o$6bobo$6bo3$2b2o$b2o$3bo131$145bo$144b2o$144bobo7$145bo$144b2o$144bobo136$291b2o$290b2o$292bo7$290b3o$290bo$291bo132$425b2o$424b2o$426bo8$444b2o$443b2o$445bo!

The gliders tend to be 140-150 full diagonals apart, apparently due to some arcane calculation or other in gemini.py:

def SafeFollowDelay(front, back):
    return 2 * (front.dbox[1] + front.dbox[3] - back.dbox[1]) + 8

In practice I usually subtract 100fd from between each pair of glider pairs and check to see if it still works; the result is the RLE file I posted. Any relative spacing will work fine, as long as the pattern has time to settle to ash, and provided that relative phases are maintained whenever P2 intermediate patterns show up.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby codeholic » July 10th, 2013, 1:02 am

I am sorry that I did not make myself clear. I meant the distance between two input glider lanes there are, not the distance between gliders on the same lane.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 10th, 2013, 8:18 am

codeholic wrote:I am sorry that I did not make myself clear. I meant the distance between two input glider lanes there are, not the distance between gliders on the same lane.

On a second reading your question seems just fine; the problem was between the keyboard and the chair at my end...

I settled on glider lanes with 9hd spacing because a Herschel-based glider inserter can put a glider anywhere on the near lane without disturbing a glider in the far lane, so all possible glider-pair salvos are trivially constructible. Also the two lanes are symmetrical around the elbow block, so output gliders can be fired in either direction with mirror-image salvos; INCn and DECn recipes can also be mirrored if necessary to work around tight spots along the construction arm.

There's a little more about other possible glider-lane choices here. There are definitely some asymmetrical pairs of lanes that have more options for INCn and DECn -- especially longer INCn push operations.

There's even some commented-out DOpSearch code that checks to see which recipes can be constructed with different glider-insertion mechanisms, from one side or the other of the construction-arm shoulder. Here's an old report for two adjacent glider lanes, with transparent-beehive and Fx119 inserters on the left side of the construction arm. The INC13 and INC20 were really tempting:

BeeL-119L (-5, -4):
DECs: -19D -14D -9D -8D -7D -6D -5D -4D -3D -2D -1C
INCs: 1D 4D 5D 6D 7D 13D 20D
LEFTs: -1@12D
RIGHTs: 6@-5D 6@-1D 6@2D 10@-22D 10@-7C 10@-6D 10@-5D 10@-3C 10@0C
10@3D 11@-6D 26@-8D

Paul Chapman and I looked at several dozen lane sets, and found a dozen or more very nice-looking universal toolkits at different lane spacings. For example, with up to five pairs, and both gliders on the -3 lane (!?!), you can get every possible DEC operation from 1 to 19. The four-cycle (-5, 2) search turned up every INC up to 11. But in the end there didn't seem to be anything quite good enough to justify the extra complexity at the shoulder.

DOpSearch was originally designed to look for universal operation sets on three glider lanes -- and it did a fine job, too. For many three-lane sets it was possible to get multiple INCs and DECs and both colors of gliders with just one or two triplet/pair/singleton groups. Here again, the shorter recipes were nice, but not nice enough to justify a 50% increase in the size of the replicator unit -- plus having to worry again about which recipes can't actually be constructed with a given shoulder gun configuration.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby calcyman » July 16th, 2013, 4:15 pm

Dave Greene and I have recently been attempting to reduce the minimal size of a one-arm Geminoid. Currently, we have an example with 66 still lives (down from the 100 mentioned earlier in this thread), which includes an isolated Snark. This can be considered to be a definitive response to codeholic's question, asking which orientation of a Snark would be most useful for a unidirectional construction:

codeholic wrote:The same question for a single slow salvo (with four possible options).


The gliders should arrive in the direction specified by the arrows, and the construction should not stray too close to the diagonal red band. This is the only constraint; you're allowed to have the intermediate steps in the construction sprawl as far as you like to the north-east, south-east and south-west:

x = 168, y = 172, rule = LifeHistory
87.4D$86.4D$85.4D$84.4D$83.4D$82.4D$81.4D$80.4D$79.4D$78.4D$77.4D$76.
4D$75.4D$74.4D$73.4D$72.4D$71.4D$70.4D$69.4D$68.4D$67.4D$66.4D$65.4D$
64.4D$63.4D$62.4D$61.4D$60.4D$59.4D$58.4D13.2D$57.4D14.3D$56.4D16.3D
3.2D$55.4D18.3D2.2D$54.4D20.3D.2D$53.4D22.5D$52.4D24.4D$51.4D22.7D$
50.4D23.7D$49.4D$48.4D$47.4D$46.4D$45.4D$44.4D$43.4D$42.4D$41.4D$40.
4D$39.4D$38.4D13.2D$37.4D14.3D$36.4D16.3D3.2D$35.4D18.3D2.2D$34.4D20.
3D.2D$33.4D22.5D$32.4D24.4D$31.4D22.7D$30.4D23.7D$29.4D$28.4D$27.4D$
26.4D$25.4D$24.4D$23.4D$22.4D$21.4D$20.4D$19.4D$18.4D13.2D$17.4D14.3D
$16.4D16.3D3.2D$15.4D18.3D2.2D$14.4D20.3D.2D$13.4D22.5D$12.4D24.4D$
11.4D22.7D$10.4D23.7D$9.4D$8.4D155.B$7.4D155.2B$6.4D155.3B$5.4D155.4B
$4.4D155.4B$3.4D155.4B$2.4D155.4B$.4D155.4B$4D155.4B$3D155.4B$2D155.
4B$D155.4B$155.4B$154.4B$153.4B$152.4B$151.4B$150.4B$149.4B$148.4B$
147.4B$146.4B$145.4B$144.4B$143.4B$142.4B$141.4B$140.4B$139.4B$138.4B
$137.4B$136.4B$135.4B$134.4B$133.4B$132.4B$131.4B$130.4B$129.4B$128.
4B$127.4B$114.2A10.4B$104.2D9.A9.4B$103.D2.D6.A10.4B$103.D2.D6.5A5.4B
5.2A$103.D2.D11.A4.4B5.A$103.D2.D8.3AB2.7B.BA.A$104.2D2.D5.A.2B3.7B.B
2A$103.D2.2D6.4A12B$112.2A2.BA3B2A7B$111.A2.3AB.2B2A7B$111.2A.A.B3.
10B$114.A8.8B$114.2A7.9B$124.3B2.4B$122.5B3.4B$122.2A7.4B$123.A8.4B$
120.3A10.4B$120.A13.2B2A$135.BABA$136.A3B$137.4B$138.4B$139.4B$140.4B
$141.4B$142.4B$143.4B$144.4B$145.4B$146.4B$147.4B$148.4B$149.4B$150.
4B$151.4B$152.4B$153.4B$154.4B$155.4B$156.4B$157.4B$158.4B$159.4B$
160.4B$161.4B$162.4B$163.4B$164.4B$165.3B$166.2B$167.B!


The actual replicator unit is given below:

#C Replicator unit, Variant C (66 still lifes)
#C
#C Adam P. Goucher, 2013-07-16
x = 520, y = 654, rule = LifeHistory
466.2A4.2B$466.A.A2.5B$467.2A8B$392.2A74.B.7B$392.2A75.B.6B$385.4B79.
5BA2B$384.4B29.2B48.5BABAB$383.4B28.5B20.A27.4BABAB$382.4B5.B22.7B19.
3A25.5BAB$381.4B5.2B22.8B21.A11.A7.2A3.6B.3B$380.4B5.3B21.9B20.2A9.3A
5.2B2AB2.13B$379.4B5.4B20.10B20.B9.A8.4B4.B.10B$378.4B5.4B21.A8B19.3B
9.2A6.5B5.14B$377.4B5.4B21.ABA8B16.6B5.5B5.6B5.14B$376.4B5.4B22.ABA
10B11.10B3.4B8.5B.B2.16B$375.4B5.4B23.BA14B2.2B3.11B2.6B4.28B$374.4B
5.4B25.27B2A13B.30B$373.4B5.4B26.27B2A42B$372.4B5.4B29.69B$371.4B5.4B
30.69B$370.4B5.4B32.B2.65B.B$369.4B5.4B43.4B.13B3.B.39B$368.4B5.4B45.
4B4.B.7B7.37B$367.4B5.4B47.4B19.6B.29B2A$366.4B5.4B49.4B16.5B.B2.27B.
B2A$365.4B6.4B50.4B15.2A7.26B3.B$364.4B6.5B51.4B15.A8.21B$363.4B4.9B
51.4B11.3A10.21B$362.4B5.9B52.4B10.A11.22B$361.4B6.9B53.4B21.23B$360.
4B7.10B53.4B20.23B$359.4B7.12B53.4B18.25B$358.4B7.13B8.2A44.4B16.21B
3.B2A$357.4B9.11B9.A46.4B14.8B2.9B6.BA.A$356.4B11.12B4.BA.A47.4B12.8B
4.7B10.A$355.4B12.15B.B2A13.2A34.4B10.8B6.8B8.2A$354.4B13.17B14.B2AB
34.4B8.8B7.8B$353.4B14.17B15.2B36.4B6.8B5.AB.9B$352.4B12.B.17B17.2B3.
B32.4B4.8B5.A.A10B$351.4B12.2A19B15.4B.B2A32.4B2.8B6.2A.11B$350.4B13.
2AB.19B11.8B2A33.12B12.10B$349.4B15.B4.20B2.2B2.6B2AB.B35.10B13.10B$
348.4B21.32B2A39.8B13.12B$347.4B22.9B.24B38.8B15.11B$346.4B24.7B2.28B
33.8B17.10B$345.4B25.7B2.28B32.10B19.8B$344.4B26.6B4.26B2A16.2D12.12B
18.8B$343.4B27.7B10.4B.14B2A15.D2.D10.8B2.4B16.10B$342.4B28.6B12.4B2.
11B.B16.D12.8B4.4B15.10B$341.4B28.7B13.4B2.10B18.D11.8B6.4B13.13B$
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333.4B$334.4B$335.4B$336.4B$337.2B!


Note that the soma (the 61 still lives disjoint from the Snark and elbow block) is completely Spartan. It comprises four main islands, namely the Silver reflector, Guam's semi-Snark, the pulse-divider-transmitter, and the receiver-injector. The additional output of the Silver reflector (suppressed by an extraneous eater in the sample pattern) will be intercepted by a one-time turner (OTT) and used to activate the seeds of destruction for the parent replicator unit.

There are three degrees of freedom, namely the lengths of channels A, B and C. I imagine that you will want to increase these distances, in order to give a larger area in which one can position seeds of destruction. Increasing the length of channel C also enables a greater separation between gliders in the same pair, facilitating a larger breadth of reactions in Dave Greene's collection:

#C Geminoid 9fd glider-pair constructor-arm recipes
#C Dave Greene, 2011
x = 1767, y = 209, rule = LifeHistory
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464.A.A!


Additionally, catalyst Q can be replaced by any suitable alternative; some may be easier to construct than others. I haven't particularly been keeping track of what's been happening on the forum threads pertaining to the synthesis of catalyst Q or equivalents.

It has occurred to me that, to get a complete construction recipe, three processes must be completed:

  • Finding a slow salvo recipe for constructing the isolated Snark;
  • Producing an arrangement of seeds of destruction for the (Spartan) soma;
  • Assembling a slow salvo recipe to construct the soma and associated seeds of destruction (SODs);
  • Finishing the combined recipe for the Snark, soma and SODs.

Process 2 must be completed before process 3 can begin. Process 1 (which codeholic has considered performing) can be executed independently of processes 2 and 3. After these tasks have been completed, we're left with process 4, which is a quick and easy finalisation processes.

Before we begin, can anyone see any possible minor optimisations?
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby Extrementhusiast » July 16th, 2013, 7:13 pm

From which direction or directions may we destroy the Soma from? (I'll try working on destroying the semisnark, as it's small, and I don't have much experience with this sort of thing.)

EDIT: 6-block solution from NW:
x = 96, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o18$89bob2obo$88bo6bo2$88bo2b2o2bo$88bo2b2o2bo2$88bo6bo$89bo
b2obo9$51b2o$47b2o2b2o$47b2o8$49b2o8bo$49b2o6b3o$56bo$41b2o13b2o$42bo$
42bobo$43b2o$48b2o$48b2o$37b2o$37b2o$58b2o$45bo12bobo$44bobo11bo$44b2o
3$53b2o$53b2o$44b2o$44b2o$38b2o$38b2o2$45b2o$45b2o$73b2o$73bobo$73bo!


Also, do you typically destroy the Herschel tracks conduit by conduit? This destroys three of the four blocks of the one 64 conduit, with no seeds (except for a movable boat):
x = 16, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
13.A$13.A.A$13.2A4$4.2A$3.B2AB$4.2B$5.2B3.B$4.4B.B2A$2.8B2A$6B2AB.B$
6B2A$8B$12B$12B$11B2A$11B2A$10B.B$10B!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby calcyman » July 16th, 2013, 7:47 pm

You can intersperse the seeds of destruction throughout the soma (and increase the lengths of channels A, B and C as desired), but it's preferable to not have any seeds too close to the two parallel glider paths that constitute the construction arm. Hence, for the semi-Snark, the seeds would be best positioned to the north-west. Here's a snapshot showing the channels that must be kept open:

x = 71, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
60.4B5.2B$59.4B5.3B$58.4B5.4B$57.4B5.4B$56.4B5.4B$55.4B5.4B$54.4B5.4B
$53.4B5.4B$52.4B5.4B$51.4B5.4B$50.4B5.4B$49.4B5.4B$48.4B5.4B$47.4B5.
4B$46.4B5.4B$45.4B5.4B$44.4B5.4B$43.4B5.4B$25.2A8.A6.4B5.4B$24.B2AB5.
3A5.4B5.4B$25.3B4.A7.4B5.4B$17.2A5.B.B5.2A5.4B5.4B$18.A5.10B4.4B5.4B$
18.A.AB2.8B5.4B5.4B$19.2AB.11B2.4B5.4B$21.3B2A13B5.4B$21.3B2A12B5.4B$
22.15B5.4B$22.14B5.4B$22.14B4.4B$21.A.14B2.4B$20.A.A5.5B.8B$20.2A6.5B
2.6B$27.4B5.4B$26.6B3.6B$25.4B2AB2.8B$24.4B.2A2.4B2.4B$23.4B5.4B4.4B$
22.4B5.4B6.4B$21.4B5.4B8.4B$20.4B5.4B10.4B$19.4B5.4B12.4B$18.4B5.4B
14.4B$17.4B5.4B16.4B$16.4B5.4B18.4B$15.4B5.4B20.4B$14.4B5.4B22.4B$13.
4B5.4B24.4B$12.4B5.4B26.4B$11.4B5.4B28.4B$10.4B5.4B30.4B$9.4B5.4B32.
4B$8.4B5.4B34.4B$7.4B5.4B36.4B$6.4B5.4B38.4B$5.4B5.4B40.4B$4.4B5.4B
42.4B$3.4B5.4B44.4B$2.4B5.4B46.4B$.4B5.4B48.4B$4B5.4B50.4B$3B5.4B52.
4B$2B5.4B54.4B$B5.4B56.4B$5.4B58.4B$4.4B60.3B$3.4B62.2B$2.4B64.B!



Note that this Geminoid is designed to move diagonally north-east. The construction arm must therefore construct the semi-Snark on its left, and the remainder of the soma on its right. There's a slight awkwardness with the rightmost block of the semi-Snark overlapping into the construction arm area, but (being a block) it can simply be added right at the end of the construction process in a relatively painless manner.

Have you downloaded Paul Chapman's program Seeds of Destruction yet?

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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 16th, 2013, 8:24 pm

calcyman wrote:Note that this Geminoid is designed to move diagonally north-east. The construction arm must therefore construct the semi-Snark on its left, and the remainder of the soma on its right. There's a slight awkwardness with the rightmost block of the semi-Snark overlapping into the construction arm area, but (being a block) it can simply be added right at the end of the construction process in a relatively painless manner.

That last block is definitely the easiest part of the semi-Snark construction. The other five still-lifes may have to be built around a double bend of the construction arm, unless we can find some lucky boat, block, and eater constructions using direct glider-pair recipes above the elbow.

-- That is, imagine crashing pairs of gliders into the elbow and incrementally producing all but the semi-Snark's bottom block... without destroying the elbow, until the very end anyway, though of course the elbow can move. Seems possible but unlikely -- I don't even have any search code that could look for a recipe like that. So more likely it will get done by building a triggerable semi-Snark seed around the construction site, or by a slow salvo from the elbow generating an exponentially slower salvo heading southwest from a temporary second elbow block.

Long story short: anything within about a dozen cells diagonally of the construction-arm lanes is going to be in the danger zone. It will always be possible to build a "seed" farther away that can be triggered later to construct things in the danger zone -- but that will generally be exponentially more expensive.

So it's best not to put any more seeds than you absolutely have to within 12 diagonal cells of the elbow, or say within a 20-cell orthogonal distance from either glider lane. Extra points for a design that avoids _any_ still lifes in that danger zone (including the semi-Snark!) The previous Demonoid design manages this by using two Herschel-based Fx119 glider inserters instead of a semi-Snark -- but it needs forty-odd more still lifes and a much more complicated design.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 16th, 2013, 8:34 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:From which direction or directions may we destroy the Soma from? (I'll try working on destroying the semisnark, as it's small, and I don't have much experience with this sort of thing.)

Another take on this is that the first trigger glider for a self-destruct sequence should probably be traveling SEwards from the neighborhood of the elbow block in the sample pattern -- heading towards "C", more or less, but any location that the construction-arm elbow can reach is fair game.

That's on the theory that the construction arm will first finish constructing the next RU (replicator unit) directly to the northeast; then it will retract to its "home" position (or thereabouts) and fire one more glider, which sets off the self-destruct sequence that completely destroys the current RU. So each RU is destroyed almost instantly by its own last signal, just as soon as it has sent a copy of the last glider pair on to its glide-reflected opposite RU.

With an open architecture like this it's going to be fairly trivial to add a few OTTs, one-time turner constellations, to bounce a glider in from any direction to start a self-destruct sequence on the semi-Snark or any other subgroup. So really it probably isn't worth worrying too much about where the very first glider comes from -- we can work out a solution for each piece separately, then string together all the smaller implosions.

-- That sounds like a lot of fun, actually! But I'm going to try to keep working on some of the other background boring problems instead. The current task is a compiler that takes a list of glider lanes and even/odd phase markers, and produces a construction-arm glider-pair recipe that generates the appropriate P2 slow salvo.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby Extrementhusiast » July 16th, 2013, 9:41 pm

Yes, I have. I'm not sure if that currently contains this pattern.

In any case, two gliders and three blocks can also do the job, without anything getting in the way:
x = 123, y = 115, rule = LifeHistory
.BC$CBC$.2C45$112.4B5.2B$111.4B5.3B$59.BC49.4B5.4B$58.CBCB47.4B5.4B$
59.2C2B45.4B5.4B$60.4B43.4B5.4B$61.4B41.4B5.4B$62.4B39.4B5.4B$63.4B2.
B8.B2A23.4B5.4B$64.8B.2B2A2B2AB21.4B5.4B$65.10B2A5B20.4B5.4B$65.17B
19.4B5.4B$64.19B17.4B5.4B$64.19B16.4B5.4B$64.19B15.4B5.4B$64.18B15.4B
5.4B$64.18B14.4B5.4B$64.16B15.4B5.4B$65.12B2AB5.2BA6.4B5.4B$66.11B2AB
2.3B3A5.4B5.4B$66.14B.3BA3B4.4B5.4B$66.3B2A13B2A3B2.4B5.4B$66.4BA17B
2.4B5.4B$66.4BABA14B2.4B5.4B$67.4B2A13B2.4B5.4B$65.11B2A13B5.4B$65.
11B2A12B5.4B$65.2A22B5.4B$65.2A21B5.4B$65.23B4.4B$64.9BA15B2.4B$64.8B
ABA3B2.5B.8B$65.7B2A4B2.5B2.6B$66.12B.4B5.4B$68.B.6B2.6B3.6B$72.B4.4B
2AB2.8B$76.4B.2A2.4B2.4B$75.4B5.4B4.4B$74.4B5.4B6.4B$73.4B5.4B8.4B$
72.4B5.4B10.4B$71.4B5.4B12.4B$70.4B5.4B14.4B$69.4B5.4B16.4B$68.4B5.4B
18.4B$67.4B5.4B20.4B$66.4B5.4B22.4B$65.4B5.4B24.4B$64.4B5.4B26.4B$63.
4B5.4B28.4B$62.4B5.4B30.4B$61.4B5.4B32.4B$60.4B5.4B34.4B$59.4B5.4B36.
4B$58.4B5.4B38.4B$57.4B5.4B40.4B$56.4B5.4B42.4B$55.4B5.4B44.4B$54.4B
5.4B46.4B$53.4B5.4B48.4B$52.4B5.4B50.4B$52.3B5.4B52.4B$52.2B5.4B54.4B
$52.B5.4B56.4B$57.4B58.4B$56.4B60.3B$55.4B62.2B$54.4B64.B!


The second glider can come from pretty much anywhere.

EDIT: Complete destruction!
x = 293, y = 280, rule = LifeHistory
183.2A$183.2A2$179.2A$179.2A3$215.A$179.2A4.2B16.2A8.A.A$179.A.A2.5B
14.2A9.2A$180.2A8B$148.2A31.B.7B$148.2A32.B.6B$98.4B64.2A13.5BA2B$97.
4B29.2B34.2A12.5BABAB$96.4B28.5B20.A27.4BABAB$95.4B5.B22.7B19.3A25.5B
AB43.2A$94.4B5.2B22.8B21.A11.A7.2A3.6B.3B40.2A$93.4B5.3B21.9B20.2A9.
3A5.2B2AB2.13B$92.4B5.4B20.10B20.B9.A8.4B4.B.10B$91.4B5.4B21.A8B19.3B
9.2A6.5B5.14B$90.4B5.4B15.2A4.ABA8B16.6B5.5B5.6B5.14B35.2A$89.4B5.4B
16.2A4.ABA10B11.10B3.4B8.5B.B2.16B23.A10.2A$88.4B5.4B23.BA14B2.2B3.
11B2.6B4.23B2C3B22.A.A$87.4B5.4B25.27B2A13B.25BCBC2B22.A.A$86.4B5.4B
26.27B2A39BC2B25.A$85.4B5.4B29.69B31.A$84.4B5.4B30.69B30.A.A$83.4B5.
4B32.B2.65B.B28.A2.A$82.4B5.4B43.4B.13B3.B.39B27.2A$81.4B5.4B45.4B4.B
.7B7.37B$80.4B5.4B47.4B19.6B.29B2A$79.4B5.4B28.A20.4B16.5B.B2.27B.B2A
$78.4B6.4B26.A.A21.4B15.2A7.26B3.B$77.4B6.5B27.2A22.4B15.A8.21B$76.4B
4.9B51.4B11.3A10.21B$75.4B5.9B52.4B10.A11.22B$74.4B6.9B53.4B21.23B$
73.4B7.10B53.4B20.23B$72.4B7.12B53.4B18.25B$71.4B7.13B8.2A44.4B16.21B
3.B2A20.A$70.4B9.11B9.A26.A19.4B14.8B2.9B6.BA.A17.3A$69.4B11.12B4.BA.
A25.A.A19.4B12.8B4.7B10.A3.2A11.A$68.4B12.15B.B2A13.2A11.2A21.4B10.8B
6.8B8.2A2.2A6.2A3.2A$67.4B13.17B14.B2AB34.4B8.8B7.8B20.A.A$66.4B14.
17B15.2B36.4B6.8B5.AB.9B7.2A10.A$65.4B12.B.17B17.2B3.B32.4B4.8B5.A.A
10B7.A.A$64.4B12.2A19B15.4B.B2A32.4B2.8B6.2A.11B7.A$63.4B13.2AB.19B
11.8B2A33.12B12.10B$62.4B15.B4.20B2.2B2.6B2AB.B35.10B13.10B$61.4B21.
32B2A39.8B12.3C10B$60.4B22.9B.24B38.8B13.C.11B$59.4B24.7B2.28B33.8B
15.C.10B$58.4B25.7B2.28B32.10B19.8B$57.4B26.6B4.26B2A16.2D12.12B18.8B
.C$56.4B27.7B10.4B.14B2A15.D2.D10.8B2.4B16.8BCBC$55.4B28.6B12.4B2.11B
.B16.D12.8B4.4B15.9B2C$54.4B28.7B13.4B2.10B18.D11.8B6.4B13.13B$53.4B
30.6B14.14B19.D10.8B8.4B12.14B$52.4B32.5B15.14B18.D2.D6.8B10.4B10.15B
$51.4B12.2A19.6BC13.13B20.2D6.8B12.4B8.17B.2B$50.4B13.2A21.4B.2C11.
13B27.8B14.4B6.20B2A$49.4B36.B2A2B2C12.8B.2B28.8B16.4B5.20B2A$48.4B
38.2A16.8B30.8B18.4B3.15B.B2A.2B$47.4B33.2A22.9B28.8B20.4B.15B2.B2A$
46.4B34.2A22.10B26.8B22.8B2A10B$45.4B58.7B.4B24.8B19.2A3.7B2A10B$44.
4B58.8B2.4B22.8B20.2A4.18B$43.4B58.8B4.3B21.8B26.20B$43.3B58.9B6.B2A
18.8B27.13BC6B$43.2B58.4B.6B5.BA.A16.8B27.12BCBC3B.B$43.B58.4B.7B8.A
9.2A4.8B25.B.14B2C4B$101.4B2.6B9.2A8.2A3.8B25.2AB.18B$100.4B3.6B23.8B
26.2A22B$99.4B4.6B22.8B28.2B.17B.2A$98.4B4.8B14.2A4.8B32.15B3.A$97.4B
6.6B3C12.2A3.8B33.4B.9B5.3A$96.4B6.9BC16.8B33.4B.2B2A6B.2B4.A$95.4B7.
8BC16.8B33.4B3.2A9B2A$94.4B8.10B14.8B33.4B6.A6B.B2A12.2A$93.4B5.2D2.
5B2A3B13.8B33.4B6.9B.B13.A.A$92.4B6.2D2.5B2A4B3.2A6.8B33.4B8.7B17.A$
91.4B2.A8.11B3.A6.8B33.4B9.5B$90.4B4.A7.12BA.A5.8B33.4B11.B.2B$89.4B
3.3A9.8B2.2A5.8B33.4B$88.4B10.2A4.7B9.8B33.4B$87.4B12.A4.6B9.8B33.4B$
86.4B13.A.AB.6B8.8B33.4B$85.4B15.2AB.7B6.8B33.4B$84.4B18.8B6.8B33.4B$
83.4B20.7B5.8B33.4B$82.4B21.7B4.8B33.4B$82.3B18.B4.7B2.8B33.4B$80.4B
18.A2B.B.6B2.8B33.4B$80.2A19.A.A19B33.4B$81.A20.AB.17B33.4B$43.B34.3A
24.16B33.4B$43.2B33.A26.15B33.4B$43.3B60.13B33.4B$43.4B57.14B33.4B$
44.4B56.15B14.2A15.4B3.2A$45.4B54.2A14B.2B11.2A14.4B3.A.A$46.4B53.2A
16B2A25.4B5.A$47.4B53.15B.B2A24.4B$48.4B54.13B2.B24.4B4.3D$49.4B53.
14B8.2A15.4B5.D2.D15.A$50.4B54.12B4.2A2.A.A13.4B6.D2.D14.A.A$51.4B53.
2B2A9B3.2A2.A14.4B7.3D15.2A$52.4B53.B2A5B.4B20.4B8.D2.D$53.4B52.9B.4B
18.4B9.D2.D$54.4B51.9B2.4B16.4B10.3D$55.4B48.2A.8B3.3B15.4B$56.4B42.A
4.A2.6B6.4B12.4B$57.4B40.A.A.A.A3.5B8.2A11.4B22.2A$58.4B39.A.A.2A3.6B
8.A11.4B23.2A2.2A$59.4B39.A8.4B10.3A7.4B28.2A$60.4B48.2B13.A6.4B$61.
4B48.2B18.4B$62.4B46.B2AB16.4B$63.4B46.2A9.2A5.4B$64.4B56.2A4.4B32.2A
$65.4B60.4B33.2A$66.4B24.3A14.2A15.4B$67.4B25.A14.2A14.4B$68.4B23.A
30.4B$69.4B52.4B$70.4B50.4B$71.4B48.4B$72.4B36.A9.4B$73.4B34.A.A7.4B$
74.4B33.2A7.4B$75.4B40.4B21.2A$76.4B38.4B22.2A$77.4B36.4B$52.A25.4B
34.4B$53.A16.A.A6.4B32.4B15.2A$51.3A17.2A7.4B30.4B16.2A$71.A9.4B17.A
10.4B32.2A$82.4B16.3A7.4B33.2A$83.4B18.A5.4B$84.4B16.2A.7B$74.A10.4B
15.9B$72.3A11.4B16.6B$56.A14.A15.4B15.5B$56.3A12.2A15.4B13.7B$59.A7.
2B.3B3.7B.B4.4B12.6B$58.2A6.5B5.13B.4B10.7B$58.5B2.36B4.6B$60.42B2.7B
$59.2A41B2.7B7.2A$59.2A17B2A22B.9B6.2A11.A$60.B.16B2A32B$62.23B3.2B2.
20B4.B16.A$63.9B2.10B11.19B.B2A$64.C7B3.6B16.19B2A17.A$62.C.C7B4.3B
19.17B.B$62.B2C8B3.B20.17B$61.12B2.2A20.17B$61.12B2.A19.2AB.15B$61.
11B4.3A15.A.AB4.12B$61.8B.4B4.A10.2A3.A9.11B$61.7B4.2A15.2A2.2A8.13B$
61.7B4.A30.12B$61.6B6.3A28.10B$60.7B8.A29.9B$59.8B38.9B$58.8B16.A22.
9B$57.9B15.A.A22.5B$56.4B.6B14.2A23.4B$55.4B.7B39.4B$54.4B2.6B15.2A
22.4B$53.4B3.8B4.B8.A22.4B$52.4B5.B2A6B.4B3.BA.A4.2A15.4B$51.4B5.2B2A
13B.B2A5.2A14.4B$50.4B7.18B22.4B$49.4B9.17B21.4B$48.4B13.13B21.4B$47.
4B13.12B22.4B9.A$46.4B14.10B23.4B$45.4B10.3C.11B22.4B3.3A7.A$44.4B13.
C.7B.2B22.4B4.A$43.4B13.C.11B21.4B6.A10.A$42.4B17.11B19.4B$41.4B18.
11B18.4B$40.4B19.11B17.4B$39.4B18.2AB2.8B16.4B$38.4B18.A.AB3.7B15.4B$
37.4B19.A6.7B14.4B$36.4B19.2A7.6B13.4B$35.4B29.7B11.4B$34.4B17.2A11.
8B9.4B$33.4B18.2A12.8B7.4B198.2A$32.4B33.9B5.4B198.A2.A$31.4B33.6B.4B
3.4B199.A.A$30.4B34.7B.4B.4B201.A$29.2AB37.6B2.7B196.A$28.A.AB37.6B3.
5B196.A.A$28.A40.2B2AB4.5B98.2A96.A.A$27.2A39.3B2A2B2.7B97.2A97.A10.
2A$68.7B.4B.4B206.2A$69.5B.4B3.4B$69.5BC3B5.4B$52.A16.3BCBC2B7.4B$50.
A.A16.4B2CB9.4B201.2A$51.2A7.2A7.6B11.4B86.2A112.2A$61.A7.7B5.2A4.4B
84.A2.A$61.A.AB3.7B6.A6.4B84.A.A$62.2AB.11B.BA.A7.4B84.A$64.10BA2B.B
2A9.4B$63.10BABA3B12.4B$64.9BABA3B13.4B$62.2AB.8BA2B16.4B$61.A.AB2.8B
19.4B$61.A4.4B2.3B20.4B$60.2A3.4B3.5B19.4B$64.4B6.B2A20.4B$63.4B8.A
22.4B$62.4B10.3A.2A17.4B$61.4B13.A.A.A17.4B$60.4B17.A19.4B$59.4B39.4B
$58.4B41.4B$57.4B43.4B$56.4B45.4B$55.4B47.4B49.2A$54.4B49.4B47.A.A$
53.4B51.4B47.A$52.4B53.4B$51.4B55.4B$50.4B57.4B$49.4B59.4B$48.4B61.4B
$47.4B63.4B$46.4B65.4B$45.4B67.4B$44.4B69.4B$43.4B71.4B$42.4B73.4B$
41.4B75.4B$40.4B77.4B$39.4B79.4B$38.4B81.4B$37.4B83.4B$36.4B85.4B$35.
4B87.4B$34.4B89.4B$33.4B91.4B$32.4B93.4B$31.4B95.4B$30.4B97.4B$29.4B
99.4B$28.4B101.4B$27.4B103.4B$26.4B105.4B$25.4B107.4B$24.4B109.4B$23.
4B111.4B$22.4B113.4B$21.4B115.4B91.2A$20.4B117.4B89.A.A$19.4B119.4B
89.A$18.4B121.4B$17.4B123.4B$16.4B125.4B$15.4B127.4B$14.4B129.4B$13.
4B131.4B$12.4B133.4B$11.4B135.4B$10.4B137.4B$9.4B139.4B$8.4B141.4B$7.
4B143.4B$6.4B145.4B$5.4B147.4B$4.4B149.4B$3.4B151.4B$2.4B153.4B$.4B
155.4B$4B157.4B!


White gliders must be shot after certain debris has been cleared. There is one case of a cascading loop, but that can be resolved by indefinitely extending the lower-right part. Or, just shooting a different glider.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 16th, 2013, 11:56 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:I'm not sure if [the Seeds of Destruction game] currently contains this pattern.

The most recent SODGame alpha (this is a new link, not found in the SODGame thread yet, but I'll work on it...) can import any pattern as a puzzle. For example, copy the Silver reflector part of the new Geminoid to the clipboard:

x = 82, y = 117, rule = LifeHistory
24.4B$25.4B52.B$26.4B50.2B$27.4B48.3B$28.4B46.4B$29.4B44.4B$30.4B42.
4B$31.4B40.4B$32.4B38.4B$33.4B36.4B$34.4B34.4B$35.4B32.4B$36.4B30.4B$
37.4B17.A10.4B$38.4B16.3A7.4B$39.4B18.A5.4B$40.4B16.2A.7B$30.A10.4B
15.9B$28.3A11.4B16.6B$12.A14.A15.4B15.5B$12.3A12.2A15.4B13.7B$15.A7.
2B.3B3.7B.B4.4B12.6B$14.2A6.5B5.13B.4B10.7B$14.5B2.36B4.6B$16.42B2.7B
$15.2A41B2.7B$15.2A17B2A22B.9B$16.B.16B2A32B$18.23B3.2B2.20B4.B$19.9B
2.10B11.19B.B2A$20.8B3.6B16.19B2A$21.7B4.3B19.17B.B$18.11B3.B20.17B$
17.12B2.2A20.17B$17.12B2.A19.2AB.15B$17.11B4.3A15.A.AB4.12B$17.8B.4B
4.A15.A9.11B$17.7B4.2A19.2A8.13B$17.7B4.A30.12B$17.6B6.3A28.10B$16.7B
8.A29.9B$15.8B38.9B$14.8B39.9B$14.8B40.5B$12.2AB2.6B39.4B$11.A.AB.7B
39.4B$11.A4.6B15.2A22.4B$10.2A4.8B4.B8.A22.4B$17.B2A6B.4B3.BA.A21.4B$
16.2B2A13B.B2A21.4B$17.18B22.4B$18.17B21.4B$21.13B21.4B$20.12B22.4B$
20.10B23.4B$19.11B22.4B$19.7B.2B22.4B$18.11B21.4B$19.11B19.4B$19.11B
18.4B$19.11B17.4B$17.2AB2.8B16.4B$16.A.AB3.7B15.4B$16.A6.7B14.4B$15.
2A7.6B13.4B$24.7B11.4B$24.8B9.4B$25.8B7.4B$25.9B5.4B$24.6B.4B3.4B$24.
7B.4B.4B$25.6B2.7B$25.6B3.5B$25.2B2AB4.5B$24.3B2A2B2.7B$24.7B.4B.4B$
25.5B.4B3.4B$25.9B5.4B$25.8B7.4B$25.7B9.4B$16.2A7.6B11.4B$17.A7.7B5.
2A4.4B$17.A.AB3.7B6.A6.4B$18.2AB.11B.BA.A7.4B$20.10BA2B.B2A9.4B$19.
10BABA3B12.4B$20.9BABA3B13.4B$18.2AB.8BA2B16.4B$17.A.AB2.8B19.4B$17.A
4.4B2.3B20.4B$16.2A3.4B3.5B19.4B$20.4B6.B2A20.4B$19.4B8.A22.4B$18.4B
10.3A20.4B$17.4B13.A21.4B$16.4B37.4B$15.4B39.4B$14.4B41.4B$13.4B43.4B
$12.4B45.4B$11.4B47.4B$10.4B49.4B$9.4B51.4B$8.4B53.4B$7.4B55.4B$6.4B
57.4B$5.4B59.4B$4.4B61.4B$3.4B63.4B$2.4B65.4B$.4B67.4B$4B69.4B$3B71.
4B$2B73.4B$B75.4B$77.4B$78.4B!

Roll the mouse over the lower mustard-colored icon, the Paste icon, until it says "Puzzle", and click on that icon. The clipboard contents will be pasted as a new puzzle (with a randomly assigned name). You can include a glider in the initial pattern if you want, or choose Glider from the seed selector icon and put in whatever orientation you want.

The other Paste option, "Seed", allows you to use the clipboard contents as a custom seed -- so you can copy a one-time turner, or a Snark or semi-Snark or whatever, and you can hover with that object just like any of the built-in still lifes and see instantly what its effect would be on the pattern. Can't rotate it on the fly yet, though.

There are a few interesting bugs in this alpha. For example, the Copy button sometimes doesn't work right when you've pasted in a new puzzle. Please mention any problems you find over on the SODGame thread...!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 17th, 2013, 2:51 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:EDIT: Complete destruction!
...
White gliders must be shot after certain debris has been cleared.

I think I see the general idea; no doubt it's possible to add lots of one-time glider splitters and turners to hit those various targets, with longer delay circuits for the white glider inputs, to get a complete cleanup.

That seems like a lot of one-time wiring, though. I've been really happy with the Seeds of Destruction Game because with a little practice you can get everything cleaned up with just one glider input. Here's a random sample for just the Silver reflector part of the new Geminoid:

x = 114, y = 134, rule = LifeHistory
49.4B26.C$50.4B4.2C18.C.C$51.4B3.2C19.2C32.B$52.4B56.2B$53.4B54.3B$
54.4B52.4B$55.4B50.4B$56.4B48.4B$57.4B46.4B$58.4B44.4B$59.4B42.4B$60.
4B40.4B$31.2C28.4B30.C7.4B$31.2C29.4B28.C.C5.4B$63.4B28.2C4.4B$64.4B
32.4B$65.4B30.4B$66.4B17.A10.4B$67.4B16.3A7.4B$68.4B18.A5.4B$69.4B16.
2A.7B$59.A10.4B15.9B$57.3A11.4B16.6B$41.A14.A15.4B15.5B$41.3A12.2A15.
4B13.7B$31.2C11.A7.2B.3B3.7B.B4.4B12.6B$31.2C10.2A6.5B5.13B.4B10.7B$
43.5B2.36B4.6B$45.42B2.7B10.2C$38.2C4.2A41B2.7B10.2C$38.2C4.2A17B2A
22B.9B$45.B.16B2A32B$47.23B3.2B2.20B4.B$48.9B2.10B11.19B.B2A$49.8B3.
6B16.19B2A$50.7B4.3B19.17B.B$47.11B3.B20.17B$46.12B2.2A20.17B$46.12B
2.A19.2AB.15B$46.11B4.3A15.A.AB4.12B$46.8B.4B4.A15.A9.11B$46.7B4.2A
19.2A8.13B$46.7B4.A30.12B$46.6B6.3A28.10B$45.7B8.A29.9B$44.8B38.9B$
43.8B15.2C22.9B$42.9B15.2C23.5B$41.2AB2.6B39.4B$40.A.AB.7B39.4B$40.A
4.6B15.2A22.4B$16.2C21.2A4.8B4.B8.A22.4B$16.2C28.B2A6B.4B3.BA.A21.4B$
45.2B2A13B.B2A21.4B$46.18B22.4B$47.17B21.4B$50.13B21.4B$49.12B22.4B$
49.10B23.4B$42.C5.11B22.4B$41.C.C4.7B.2B22.4B$41.C.C3.11B21.4B$42.C5.
11B19.4B$48.11B18.4B$48.11B17.4B$46.2AB2.8B16.4B$45.A.AB3.7B15.4B30.
2C$45.A6.7B14.4B31.2C$44.2A7.6B13.4B$53.7B11.4B$53.8B9.4B$54.8B7.4B
31.2C6.2C$54.9B5.4B28.C3.2C6.2C$48.2C3.6B.4B3.4B28.C.C$47.C2.C2.7B.4B
.4B30.2C$48.2C4.6B2.7B$54.6B3.5B$54.2B2AB4.5B$53.3B2A2B2.7B$53.7B.4B.
4B$54.5B.4B3.4B$54.9B5.4B8.2C$54.8B7.4B7.C.C$3.2C22.2C25.7B9.4B7.C$3.
2C22.2C16.2A7.6B11.4B$46.A7.7B5.2A4.4B$46.A.AB3.7B6.A6.4B$47.2AB.11B.
BA.A7.4B$49.10BA2B.B2A9.4B$48.10BABA3B12.4B$49.9BABA3B13.4B$32.2C13.
2AB.8BA2B16.4B$32.2C12.A.AB2.8B19.4B$46.A4.4B2.3B20.4B$45.2A3.4B3.5B
19.4B$49.4B6.B2A20.4B$48.4B8.A22.4B$38.2C7.4B10.3A20.4B$37.C2.C5.4B
13.A21.4B$37.C2.C4.4B37.4B$38.2C4.4B39.4B$43.4B29.C11.4B$42.4B29.C.C
11.4B$41.4B31.2C12.4B$40.4B47.4B$39.4B49.4B$38.4B32.2C17.4B$37.4B33.
2C18.4B$36.4B55.4B$35.4B57.4B$24.2C8.4B59.4B$24.2C7.4B61.4B$32.4B63.
4B$31.4B65.4B$30.4B67.4B$2C27.4B69.4B$2C26.4B71.4B$27.4B73.4B$26.4B
25.2C48.4B$4.2C19.4B26.2C49.4B$3.C.C18.4B79.4B$4.C18.4B81.4B$22.4B24.
2C57.4B$21.4B18.2C5.2C58.4B$20.4B19.2C66.3B$19.4B89.2B$18.4B91.B$17.
4B$16.4B$15.4B$14.4B$13.4B64.3C$12.4B65.C$11.4B67.C!

If I have my statistics right, that's 28 seeds, mostly blocks but quite a few boats and some beehives, to clean up 19 still lifes. It seems as if one seed per still life, or a little better, is generally possible with enough work. There's usually a solution that uses only a few one-time glider turners and splitters, or none at all; instead, an active chain reaction spreads directly from one still life to the next, assisted by a few seeds, leaving nothing behind.

In the above pattern you can probably tell about where I got impatient and switched to OTTs to shoot down various annoying leftover ash. I think that's the key to finding really good self-destruct circuits: don't get impatient...!

I don't know yet how to score different seedings to decide which one is the "best". Eventually I'll be able to run each seeding through a single-arm compiler script and get the actual slow-salvo length.

There was some idea of having a score calculated internally by the Seeds of Destruction Game, but that hasn't been implemented yet. Let's say each time you add a seed your score goes up by one, plus the log-base-2 of the number of possible orientations of that seed -- and you're trying to minimize the total score, of course. Log-base-2 is an approximate measure of the difficulty of constructing a seed -- so a block costs only 1 point, a beehive costs 2, a boat costs 3, and an eater costs 4, for example. This might mis-estimate the construction cost of some seeds (ponds?) but it's a good rough rule of thumb.

It will be interesting to see the first score-to-beat for the whole new Geminoid, once it's been seeded to be destroyed by one glider. Maybe the total score (for all circuitry plus seeds) could be used to compare minor variations, at least until a better metric comes along. I'll write a quick scoring script if anyone actually wants one...!

For now, well... the above is a 28-seed 1G cleanup for the central Silver reflector, seed score 32, total score 91 -- and I bet someone can do better!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby Extrementhusiast » July 17th, 2013, 7:10 pm

Seven-seed (five blocks, a boat, and a loaf) cleanup of the semisnark:
x = 87, y = 78, rule = LifeHistory
2A48.A$2A3.A44.A.A$4.A.A43.2A$4.2A8$15.A2$17.A2$19.A5$36.A$35.A.A$35.
A2.A$36.2A3$28.2A$28.2A12$47.A2$49.A2$51.A14.2A$62.2A2.2A$62.2A6$85.F
2$64.2C8.C$64.2C6.3C$71.C$56.2C13.2C$57.C$57.C.C$58.2C$63.2C4.2A$63.
2C4.A.A$52.2A15.A$52.2A2$60.C$59.C.C$59.2C3$68.2C$68.2C4$84.2A$84.A.A
$84.A!

There is an extra glider generated along the way, for possible use elsewhere.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 17th, 2013, 8:45 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Seven-seed (five blocks, a boat, and a loaf) cleanup of the semisnark...
There is an extra glider generated along the way, for possible use elsewhere.

The extra glider could be handy, I suppose, but it's up in the danger zone where it's better not to build anything -- see the red line in a previous posting.

The same is true for my solution, though, I suppose. I spent a few minutes with the Seeds of Destruction game and totally lucked out... I mean, my experience with the program paid off. Two blocks will take care of the semi-Snark, or three if you suppress the extra glider -- that's two or three still lifes per seed, a pretty good ratio:

x = 44, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
42.A$41.A$41.3A21$3.2A$3.2A5$4.2A$4.2A2$8.2C8.C$8.2C6.3C$15.C$2C13.2C
$.C$.C.C$2.2C$7.2C4.2A$7.2C4.A.A$13.A3$4.C$3.C.C$3.2C3$12.2C$12.2C4$
28.2A$28.A.A$28.A!

EDIT: I can see in general that I'm gravitating toward somewhat tighter constellations. Theoretically this should maybe be good for construction, in a minor way, since it won't be necessary to move the elbow or hand blocks as far if everything is in the same area... but that's just theory. When the compiler is finished, it may turn out that it's better to have a healthy amount of space between still lifes, so that cheaper recipes can be used -- or something like that.
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 18th, 2013, 11:25 am

Here's a more run-of-the-mill six-seed destructor for the semi-Snark, courtesy of the SODGame, with an easy input glider and no awkward output glider in the danger zone:

x = 62, y = 53, rule = LifeHistory
16.2C$16.2C$24.2C$24.2C4$2C$2C11.2A8.A$13.2A6.3A$20.A$5.2A13.2A$6.A$
6.A.A$7.2A$12.2A3.3A$3.2C7.2A3.A$2.C2.C12.A$2.C2.C$3.2C$9.A$8.A.A$8.
2A3$5.2C10.2A$5.2C10.2A4$5.2C25.3A$5.2C25.A$33.A18$59.3C$59.C$60.C!

The seeds are used to lead a small active reaction around from catalyst to catalyst until they're all gone. [Paul Chapman observed very early on that ponds seem to be incredibly useful, to keep a dying spark going without making a big mess. Has anyone else noticed that?]

However, there's still a problem here. With this design we'd have to build six extra seeds in the danger zone -- the original semi-Snark is unavoidably in the danger zone, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to make the construction problem twice as bad! A composite multi-glider splitter down in the safe zone will probably be much less of a headache in the end. Here's an uninspired sample:

x = 119, y = 92, rule = LifeHistory
8.2A8.A$8.2A6.3A$15.A$2A13.2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A$7.2A$7.2A4$4.A$3.A.A$3.2A
3$12.2A$12.2A2$51.2C$51.2C$44.2C$44.2C14.2C$60.2C7$68.2C$68.2C5$72.2C
$59.2C11.2C$55.C3.2C$54.C.C$55.2C9$39.C$38.C.C$39.2C3$37.2C5.C9.C$37.
2C4.C.C7.C.C$44.2C7.C2.C5.3A$54.2C6.A$63.A$42.2C$42.2C15.2C$47.2C10.
2C$47.2C4$55.2C$55.2C4$77.3A$77.A$78.A15$116.3C$116.C$117.C!

Fifteen seeds to destroy six catalysts, construction score way up at 23... but the seeds are all in the safe construction zone and can be moved NW/SE as necessary. Already this is probably better than having to slow-salvo-construct three more blocks in the danger zone -- and I'm sure the job can be done much more efficiently.

I really need to come up with a more organized collection of one-time turners and splitters. Some turners are inserters, for example, so you can put a glider on a lane where another glider has previously passed; splitters are color-preserving or color-changing in various combinations; some are "highway robbers", all on one side of the input glider lane; and so forth. There's a custom composite highway robber in the above pattern, because I ran out of time again and didn't have anything else handy...!

Might be worth maintaining a separate thread and keep updating a stamp collection of all the two- and three-seed turners and splitters that anyone can find. Does anyone have a good starter collection to donate here?
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby Extrementhusiast » July 18th, 2013, 12:17 pm

I did post this elsewhere:
x = 493, y = 899, rule = B3/S23
56b2o$56bo$54bobo$54b2o4$54b2o$54bobo$54bo16$31b2o$31b2o16$78bo$77bobo
$78b2o4$20b2o$20b2o2$70b2o$69bobo$71bo6$87b2o$2o85b2o$obo$bobo3b2o$2bo
4bobo$7bo9$11bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo9$64b2o$64b2o$
11bo64bo11$11bo64bo11$11bo64bo11$11bo64bo5$20b2o$20b2o2$25b2o$18b2ob2o
2b2o$18b2ob2o$11bo64bo2$330bo$329bobo$330bo$304bo$303bobo24bo$31b3o
270bo24bobo$31bo298bo$32bo$330bo$11bo64bo252bobo$330bo2$314bo4bo5bo4bo
$313bobo2bobo3bobo2bobo$314bo4bo5bo4bo18bo$322bo25bobo$321bobo25bo$
322bo3$11bo64bo6$232b2o$230bo2bo$230b2o$270b2o$270bo2bo$11bo64bo195b2o
$213b2o$212bobo41bo$212b2o43bo65bo$255b3o54bo9bobo$311bobo9bo9bo$186bo
125bo19bobo7bo$187bo145bo7bobo$62b2o121b3o71b2o46bo20bo13bo$62b2o195bo
2bo43bobo18bobo$199b2o60b2o44bo7bo6bo5bo$11bo64bo121bobo89bo23bobo4bob
o$189b2o7b2o89bobo23bo6bo$188bobo53b2o44bo$188b2o52bo2bo$242b2o63b3o
22bo$309bo5bo15bobo$200b2o106bo5bobo15bo13bo$199bobo113bo22bo6bobo$
199b2o136bobo6bo$338bo2$11bo64bo3$199b2o$198bobo$171b2o25b2o$170bobo
33b2o$170b2o14b2o3b2o12bobo$185bobo2bobo12b2o$185b2o3b2o2$11bo64bo372b
2o$449b2o3$167b2o$62b2o102bobo$62b2o102b2o5$11bo64bo244b2o$241bo78bo2b
o4b2o$242bo77bo2bo3bo2bo135b2o$240b3o78b2o4bo2bo135b2o$220bo107b2o$30b
2o189bo71bo$30b2o180bob2o3b3o72bo19b2o131bo$212b2obo76b3o18bo2bo131bo$
245b2o66bo2bo129b3o$21b2o220bo2bo67b2o$21b2o194bob2o22b2o$11bo64bo74bo
31b2o32b2obo101b2o$152bo29bo2bo64b2o69bo2bo$150b3o30b2o63bo2bo69bo2bo$
248b2o59b2o11b2o$31b3o274bo2bo$31bo276bo2bo5b2o143b2o$32bo265b2o9b2o5b
o2bo4b2o136b2o$24b2o190bob2o77bo2bo15bo2bo3bo2bo$24b2o190b2obo77bo2bo
16b2o4bo2bo$298b2o24b2o2$11bo64bo2$155bo$154bobo$154bobo$155bo16b2o$
171bo2bo123b2o$172b2o123bo2bo$61b2o234bo2bo$61b2o235b2o$475b2o$11bo64b
o97b2o45b2o252b2o$173bo2bo8b2o33bobo$174b2o8bo2bo32b2o38b2o$26b2o157b
2o4b2o3b2o61bobo$26b2o162bo2bobo2bo26bo33b2o207b2o21b2o$191b2o3b2o28bo
241b2o21b2o$224b3o$17b2o168bo$17b2o167bobo42b2o$25b2o159bobo41bobo$25b
2o160bo42b2o$11bo64bo169b2o$31b3o153bo57bobo$17b2o12bo154bobo56b2o$17b
2o13bo153bobo93b2o$187bo94b2o$457b2o$334bo122b2o$335bo18bo$333b3o17bob
o$343bo9bo2bo$342bobo9b2o$11bo64bo264bo2bo$334bo7b2o$215bo117bobo$214b
obo115bo2bo$215b2o116b2o$194bo148bo$193bobo90b2o54bobo12b2o$59b2o133b
2o86b2o3bo53bo2bo11bo2bo$59b2o220bobo2bo55b2o12bobo$280bo2bobo71bo$
279bo3b2o$11bo64bo202b2o$205bo79bo$204bobo77b2o$205b2o77bobo2$29b2o
166bo143bo$29b2o167bo141bobo$196b3o140bo2bo84b2o$20b2o301bo16b2o85b2o$
20b2o300bobo$200bo120bo2bo$11bo64bo122bobo120b2o$134b2o64b2o$134b2o$
20b2o$20b2o9b3o$31bo$32bo$389b2o$116b2o271b2o$116b2o3bo$120bobo$11bo
64bo43b2o2b2o$124bobo$124bo2$59b2o$59b2o$401bo5b2o2b2o$302b2o98bo4b2o
2b2o$302b2o96b3o$407b2o2b2o$28b2o100bo276b2o2b2o$11bo12b2o2b2o46bo52bo
bo$24b2o103b2o271b2o$20b2o280b2o98b2o86b2o$20b2o280b2o107b2o77b2o$411b
2o5$291b2o181bo5b2ob2o$284bo6b2o182bo4b2ob2o$11bo19b3o42bo117b2o25b2o
62bo187b3o$31bo162b2o25b2o60b3o$32bo257b2o188b2ob2o$280b2o8b2o188b2ob
2o$280b2o$285b2o$275b2o8b2o6b2o185b2ob2o$275b2o16b2o185b2ob2o2$195b2o
3b2o20b2o3b2o57b2o$195b2o3b2o20b2o3b2o57b2o$11bo64bo4$23b2o$23b2o$196b
o26bo$196b2o25b2o$195bobo24bobo72b2o$19b2o276b2o$19b2o181b2o22b2o$11bo
64bo125b2o22b2o2$157b2o$157b2o5$31b3o$31bo$32bo$11bo64bo9$138b2o$138bo
bo$11bo64bo63bo$140b2o4$145b2o$145bobo$145bo2$227b2o$227b2o$11bo64bo4$
136b2o$50b2o84b2o$50b2o396b2o$360bo11b2o74b2o$215b2o144bo10b2o$208bo6b
2o142b3o$209bo$11bo64bo130b3o185b2o$214b2o179b2o59bo$204b2o8b2o170b2o
69bo5b2o$204b2o180b2o67b3o5b2o$209b2o$209b2o$377b2o94b2o$377b2o94b2o$
209b2o247b2o$209b2o247b2o$382b2o$11bo64bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4b
o255b2o$365b2o$211b2o152b2o$211b2o168b2o$98b2o271b2o8b2o$98b2o271b2o$
376b2o$376b2o2$22b2o342b2o12b2o$22b2o342b2o12b2o$11bo114bo$101b2o$100b
o2bo$101b2o3$17b2o101b2o$13b2o2b2o84b2o15b2o241b2o$13b2o88b2o7bo250b2o
$111bobo$111bobo$11bo100bo13bo$31b3o60b2o201b2o$31bo62b2o201b2o$32bo$
85b2o$85b2o2$170b2o$104b2o64b2o$103bo2bo$104b2o$11bo101b3o10bo154bo$
113bo50bo117b2o$114bo50bo115b2o$163b3o82b2o$248b2o3$160b2o3bo217b2o$
160b2o2bobo216b2o$165bo2$11bo114bo168b2o$295b2o2$51b2o339b2o$51b2o339b
2o93b2o$288b2o86b2o109b2o$288b2o86b2o$90b2o318b2o$90b2o318b2o$323b2o$
323b2o$11bo114bo189b2o57b2o$316b2o57b2o96bo6b2o$382bo77b2o12bo5b2o$24b
2o10b2o60bo4b2o276bobo6bo69b2o10b3o$24b2o10b2o58bobo4b2o132b2o142bobo
5b2o$97b2o138b2o143bo6bobo2$276b2o$276b2o197b2o$33b2o64b2o374b2o$24b2o
7b2o64b2o112b2o$11bo12b2o100bo86b2o7$202b2o$83b2o117b2o$83b2o$101b2o$
11bo89b2o23bo280bo$40b3o51b2o311bobo$40bo53b2o14b2o295b2o$41bo68b2o$
103b2o$102b2o$104bo$212bo275b2o$213bo274b2o$204b2o5b3o$204b2o$11bo114b
o96b2o123b2o126bo$223b2o123b2o127bo$231b2o242b3o$231b2o250b2o$483b2o$
470b2o$217b2o180b2o69b2o6b2o$217b2o10b2o168b2o77b2o$229b2o$96b2o$96b2o
305b2o$11bo114bo98b2o164bo11b2o66b2ob2o$225b2o163bobo78b2ob2o$390bobo
88b2o$391bo89b2o$343b2o$343bobo$344bo5$11bo64bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4b
o4bo4bo219b2o76b2o$346bobo75b2o$336b2o8bo$336b2o$71b2o$71b2o6$11bo64bo
5$374b2o$374b2o4$143b2o$11bo64bo66b2o2$147bo20b2o152b2o12bo36bo$148bo
19b2o152b2o13bo36bo$146b3o186b3o34b3o2$328b2o$160b2o166b2o$160b2o3$11b
o64bo82b2o$159b2o$70b2o265b2o4b2o29b2o4b2o$70b2o82b2o181b2o4b2o29b2o4b
2o$154b2o2$332b2o35b2o$332b2o35b2o$324b2o35b2o$324b2o35b2o2$11bo15b2o
47bo$27b2o2b2o324b2o$31b2o2b2o320b2o$35b2o304b2o35b2o$341b2o35b2o$28b
2o$28b2o5$11bo64bo2$39b3o$39bo$40bo6$69b2o$11bo57b2o5bo3$462b2o$462b2o
2$30b2o$30b2o$24b2o$24b2o$20b2o$11bo8b2o2b2o50bo372bo$24b2o2b2o413bo4b
obo$28b2o218b2o194bo2bo2bo$248b2o192b3o3b2o3$252bo9b2o37bo$253bo8b2o
38bo$251b3o46b3o$453b2o$39b3o411b2o$11bo27bo36bo$40bo221bo46b2o$261bob
o45b2o4b2o$262bobo50b2o127b2o$263bobo178b2o$264bobo$256b2o7bobo37b2o$
256b2o8bobo36b2o94b2o$69b2o196b2o62b2o68b2o$69b2o241b2o17b2o$312b2o$
11bo64bo328b2o$405b2o3$306b2o$306b2o99b2o$364bo23bo18b2o$33b2o3b2o325b
o23bo$33b2o3b2o323b3o21b3o2$374b2o$11bo64bo297b2o3$388b2o$120b2o266b2o
$120b2o24b2o$146b2o$39b3o$34b2o3bo$34b2o4bo85bo$127bo23bo$11bo64bo48b
3o24bo216b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o$150b3o31bo112b2o70b2o2b2o18b2o2b2o$185bo111b
2o$183b3o$136bo236b2o22b2o$135bobo23bo211b2o22b2o$67b2o67bobo21bobo$
67b2o68bobo21bo32bo$138bobo52bobo$139bobo52bobo181b2o22b2o$132b2o6bo
14b2o38bobo180b2o22b2o$11bo64bo55b2o21b2o39bobo$184b2o4b2o5bobo$184b2o
4b2o6bo$32b2o$32b2o3b2o$37b2o192b2o$204b2o25bobo$204b2o26bo$229b3o$
229bo2$11bo64bo$27b2o143b2o$27b2o143b2o2$39b3o$39bo$40bo2$236b2o$236bo
bo2b2o$237bo3bobo$11bo64bo157b3o4bo$234bo4$65b2o$65b2o2$26b2o$26b2o2$
11bo64bo$24b2ob2o$24b2ob2o3b2o$32b2o8$11bo64bo$39b3o$39bo$40bo8$11bo
64bo$65b2o$65b2o5$30b2o$30b2o3$11bo64bo5$23b2o$23b2o$28b2o$28b2o$39b3o
$39bo$11bo28bo35bo10$23b2o$11bo11b2o37b2o12bo$34b2o26b2o$34b2o3$23b2o$
23b2o5$11bo64bo3$40b3o$40bo$41bo6$11bo64bo2$29b2o$29b2o4$16b2o$16b2o4b
2o$22b2o38b2o$62b2o$11bo64bo11$11bo28b3o33bo$40bo$41bo9$11bo64bo9$58b
2o$58b2o$11bo15b2ob2o44bo$27b2ob2o$22b2o$22b2o5$40b3o$40bo$41bo$11bo
64bo11$11bo64bo2$32b2o$32b2o4$27b2o29b2o$27b2o29b2o3$11bo13b2ob2o46bo$
25b2ob2o3$29b2o$29b2o9b3o$40bo$41bo4$11bo64bo9$30b2o$30b2o$11bo64bo4$
57b2o$57b2o$25b2o$25b2o3$24b2o$11bo12b2o50bo2$40b3o$40bo$41bo7$11bo64b
o7$33b2o$20b2ob2o8b2o$20b2ob2o2$11bo64bo$24b2o$24b2o8$40b3o$11bo28bo
35bo$41bo10$11bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo4bo!


Some might be more useful than others. Also, in my semisnark destruction, note the dots. The seeds are adjustable!

Additionally, all this talk about destructible circuitry has got me thinking: what about destructible Herschel conduits?
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 22nd, 2013, 6:43 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Additionally, all this talk about destructible circuitry has got me thinking: what about destructible Herschel conduits?

I've thought about them off and on -- but Herschel conduits fit together in too many different ways. It seems unlikely that a full set of destructible conduits can be found, where the Herschel paths and the self-destruct signal paths both hook to each other automatically without needing a huge amount of case-by-case customization.

However, I'm sure for example that all the "F" forward conduits could be seeded for destruction in such a way that they could be hooked together in any order... I'd be tempted to do it by setting up a chain of glider splitters at a good distance, and have each split-off glider assigned to shoot down one catalyst from the adjacent Herschel track.

That would be the most "chainable" solution, I would think -- but as soon as you turn a corner or two, your self-destruct seeds will start getting in the way of the next section of the track, and suddenly you need a custom solution again. Really it doesn't take much time with Paul Chapman's SODGame to work out a better custom destruction for any given length of Herschel circuitry than would ever be possible with standardized components.

EDIT: It just occurred to me that "destructible Herschel conduits" could mean conduits that disappear after a single use. I think it's been mentioned elsewhere that most conduits can easily be converted to single-use, mostly by replacing all the eaters with blocks... here's a converted Silver reflector, for example:

x = 104, y = 101, rule = B3/S23
24bo$23bobo$24b2o7$38b2o$13bo11b2o11b2o$13b3o9b2o53bo$o2bo2bo8bo29b2o
32bobo$15bo29b2o2b2o29b2o$49b2o5b2o$56b2o2$59b2o$55b2o2b2o$50b2o3b2o$
14b2o34b2o$14b2o2$62b2o$62bobo$63bo2$25b2o56b2o$25b2o56b2o$96b2o$96b2o
3$95b2o$76b2o17b2o$76b2o6$79b2o$79b2o3$82b2o$82b2o2$69b2o$68bobo$69bo
4$102bo$101bobo$92b2o7b2o$76b2o14b2o$76b2o11$93b2o$93b2o10$73bo$72bobo
8b2o$73b2o8b2o8$92b2o$70bo4b2o15b2o$69bobo2bobo4bo$69bobo2b2o4bobo$70b
o9bobo2b2o$81bo3bobo4b2o$85bo6b2o3$79b2o$79b2o!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 23rd, 2013, 3:58 am

I've been looking at new construction arm designs that are compatible with semi-Snarks. A semi-Snark can reflect a glider to put it 10 half diagonals away from another glider lane, but unfortunately not 9hd as in the current Geminoid designs.

It turns out that there are just about as many glider-pair operations for a block elbow at 10hd as there are at 9hd -- not as many four-pair glider outputs, but more INCs and DECs and a really nice collection of five-pair outputs:

9hd up to 5 pairs, including singleton gliders:
DEC: 22,21,20,17,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,7,6,5,4,3,2,1
INC: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7
Outputs:-19@-34,-9@-29,-5@-19,-19@-18,-11@-18,-8@-18,-11@-17,-5@-17,1@-17,
-5@-16,-4@-16,-8@-14,-16@-13,-9@-13,-5@-13,-6@-11,0@-11,-14@-9,-6@-9,
-9@-6,-11@-6,-14@-4,-8@-4,-8@-3,-5@-3,-2@-3,-18@8,-2@15

10hd up to 5 pairs* including singleton gliders:
DEC: 29,24,23,21,20,17,16,15,14,13,12,11,10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1
INC: 1,2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11
Outputs:-8@-32,-7@-32,-9@-27,-7@-27,-5@-27,-4@-27,-3@-27,-4@-21,-3@-19,0@-19,-4@-16,
-9@-14,-8@-14,-7@-14,-5@-14,-4@-14,-3@-14,-2@-14,0@-14,1@-14,2@-14,5@-14,
-10@-11,-1@-11,-11@-9,-2@-9,-5@-3,-4@12,-5@12

*[not including singleton gliders at the beginning, needed sometimes to switch the elbow block's chirality]

Oddly enough, being able to decode a glider stream into glider pairs using two semi-Snarks doesn't seem to offer much of a size advantage for the replicator unit. But even without any semi-Snarks at all, the geometry for Herschel tracks hooked to a pair of Silver reflectors works out considerably better at 10hd. A basic unseeded 10hd Geminoid replicator unit is under 70 still lifes, easily beating the 9hd model which was up near 100:

x = 280, y = 210, rule = LifeHistory
108.2A$108.2A$99.4B7.B$98.4B6.3B$97.4B6.4B$96.4B6.4B$95.4B6.4B$94.4B
6.4B$93.4B6.4B$92.4B6.4B$91.4B6.4B$90.4B6.4B$89.4B6.4B$88.4B7.4B$87.
4B7.5B$86.4B5.9B$85.4B6.9B$84.4B7.9B$83.4B8.10B$82.4B8.12B$81.4B8.13B
8.2A$80.4B10.11B9.A$79.4B12.12B4.BA.A$78.4B13.15B.B2A$77.4B14.17B$76.
4B15.17B20.A$75.4B13.B.17B11.2A6.3A$74.4B13.2A19B9.B2AB4.A$73.4B14.2A
B.19B8.3B4.2A$72.4B16.B4.20B2.2B2.B2.5B$71.4B22.32B$70.4B23.9B.21B2A$
69.4B25.7B2.16B2A3B2A$68.4B26.7B2.16B2A2B.B$67.4B27.6B4.19B$66.4B28.
7B10.10B41.A$65.4B29.6B12.9B41.3A$64.4B29.7B13.9B8.A7.A26.A21.BA2B$
63.4B31.6B14.7B7.3A5.3A25.2A20.3AB10.A$62.4B33.5B15.6B6.A7.A28.4B17.A
3B11.3A$61.4B34.6B13.6B7.2A6.2A29.3B15.B2AB15.A14.A$60.4B37.4B12.8B4.
4B4.4B28.4B14.4B15.2A12.3A$59.4B37.B2A2B13.8B2.3B5.3B20.A9.5B12.4B4.B
.7B3.3B.2B7.A$58.4B39.2A15.13B4.4B.3B.B12.3A8.6B11.4B.13B5.5B6.2A$57.
4B57.28B10.A11.8B2.36B2.5B$56.4B58.25B2A2B5.B3.2A9.52B$55.4B59.25B2A
2B3.8B10.50B2A$54.4B59.30B.8B13.7B.22B2A17B2A$53.4B58.41B12.31B2A16B.
B$52.4B59.22B2.2B.15B11.19B2.2B3.23B$51.4B59.20B8.17B8.17B11.10B2.9B$
50.4B60.21B8.19B2.2B.15B16.6B3.8B$49.4B61.17B.4B7.38B19.3B4.7B$48.4B
61.19B.3B8.7B.20B.8B21.B3.11B$47.4B60.21B3.B2A5.25B2A2B3.8B19.2A2.12B
$46.4B61.21B3.BA.A3.26B2A2B5.B3.2A20.A2.12B$45.4B61.20B8.A4.8B2.18B
10.A18.3A4.11B$44.4B63.20B7.2A3.6B11.4B.3B.B12.3A15.A4.4B.8B$43.4B65.
19B13.5B12.4B19.A20.2A4.7B$42.4B66.18B14.4B14.4B40.A4.7B$41.4B68.17B
15.3B15.4B36.3A6.6B$40.4B69.16B14.4B17.4B35.A8.7B$39.4B71.14B15.2A20.
4B43.8B$38.4B73.13B16.A21.4B43.8B$37.4B77.11B12.3A23.4B42.9B$36.4B79.
9B13.A26.4B40.6B.4B$35.4B80.7B43.4B39.7B.4B$34.4B82.4B46.4B22.2A15.6B
2.4B$33.4B84.3B47.4B22.A8.B4.8B3.4B$32.4B86.4B46.4B21.A.AB3.4B.6B2AB
5.4B$31.4B89.2A47.4B21.2A15B2A2B5.4B$30.4B90.A49.4B21.19B7.4B$29.4B
92.3A47.4B20.18B9.4B$28.4B95.A48.4B21.13B13.4B$27.4B146.4B22.12B13.4B
$26.4B148.4B23.10B14.4B$25.4B150.4B22.11B14.4B$24.4B152.4B22.2B.7B15.
4B$23.4B154.4B21.11B15.4B$22.4B156.4B19.11B17.4B$21.4B158.4B18.11B18.
4B$20.4B160.4B17.11B19.4B$19.4B162.4B16.8B2.B2A18.4B$18.4B164.4B15.7B
3.BA.A18.4B$17.4B166.4B14.7B6.A19.4B$16.4B168.4B13.6B7.2A19.4B$15.4B
170.4B11.7B29.4B$14.4B172.4B9.8B30.4B$6.B6.4B174.4B7.8B32.4B$12.4B
176.4B5.9B33.4B$11.4B96.A81.4B3.4B.6B33.4B$10.4B97.3A80.4B.4B.7B34.4B
$9.4B101.A21.BA2B55.7B2.6B36.4B$8.4B83.A17.2A20.3AB10.A46.5B3.6B37.4B
$8.4B81.3A17.4B17.A3B11.3A44.5B4.B2A2B38.4B$7.5B80.A22.3B15.B2AB15.A
14.A28.6B2.2B2A3B38.4B$4.9B73.2B4.2A20.4B14.4B15.2A12.3A26.2A2B.4B.7B
39.4B$4.9B73.8B3.B16.5B12.4B4.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A28.A.AB3.4B.5B41.4B$4.9B
41.3B28.7B4.4B13.6B11.4B.13B5.5B6.2A27.A7.9B42.4B$4.10B38.5B28.9B.6B
12.8B2.36B2.5B26.2A8.8B43.4B$3.12B37.6B26.10B.6B11.52B39.7B44.4B$2.
13B8.2A25.8B25.19B11.50B2A39.6B7.2A36.4B$3.11B9.A15.A10.8B26.19B11.7B
.22B2A17B2A31.2A5.7B7.A38.4B$4.12B4.BA.A15.3A8.9B4.B22.17B10.31B2A16B
.B33.A6.7B3.BA.A39.4B$4.15B.B2A19.A5.11B3.3B22.15B11.19B2.2B3.23B35.A
.AB.11B.B2A41.4B$4.17B20.2A3.13B2.6B20.17B8.17B11.10B2.9B37.2AB.2BA
10B44.4B$4.17B20.B4.13B.7B2.4B12.22B2.2B.15B16.6B3.8B40.3BABA10B44.4B
$.B.17B19.3B5.28B2.2B3.44B19.3B4.7B41.3BABA9B46.4B$2A19B16.6B3.50B.
20B.8B21.B3.11B40.2BA8B.B2A45.4B$2AB.19B11.10B2.49B2.16B2A2B3.8B19.2A
2.12B41.9B.BA.A45.4B$.B4.20B2.2B3.11B.21B2A27B2.16B2A2B5.B3.2A20.A2.
12B41.3B2.4B4.A46.4B$6.32B2A26B2A26B4.18B10.A18.3A4.11B39.5B3.4B3.2A
46.4B$6.9B.22B2A55B10.4B.3B.B12.3A15.A4.4B.8B39.2AB6.4B51.4B$7.7B2.
55B5.B.16B12.4B19.A20.2A4.7B40.A8.4B51.4B$7.7B2.50B2.B2.B10.12B13.4B
40.A4.7B37.3A10.4B51.4B$7.6B4.50B18.9B14.4B36.3A6.6B37.A13.4B51.4B$7.
7B10.4B.13B2.24B16.11B14.4B35.A8.7B51.4B51.4B$7.6B12.3B5.B.7B2.24B15.
2AB.7B16.4B43.8B51.4B51.4B$6.7B13.4B15.20B2.B2A12.A.AB2.4B19.4B43.8B
51.4B51.4B$7.6B15.2A17.18B2.BA.A11.A5.2B2AB19.4B42.9B51.4B51.4B$8.5B
15.A15.B.18B6.A10.2A7.2A21.4B40.6B.4B51.4B51.4B$8.6B15.3A11.2A18B7.2A
42.4B39.7B.4B51.4B51.4B$10.4B17.A11.2A18B52.4B22.2A15.6B2.4B51.4B51.
4B$9.B2A2B30.13B3.3B53.4B22.A8.B4.8B3.4B51.4B51.3B$10.2A32.11B.3B2.B
55.4B21.A.AB3.4B.6B2AB5.4B51.4B51.2B$46.9B2.2A59.4B21.2AB.13B2A2B5.4B
51.4B51.B$47.7B3.A61.4B22.18B7.4B51.4B$49.4B5.3A59.4B21.17B9.4B51.4B$
47.5B8.A60.4B21.13B13.4B51.4B$47.2A73.4B22.12B13.4B51.4B$48.A74.4B23.
10B14.4B51.4B$45.3A76.4B22.11B14.4B51.4B$45.A79.4B22.2B.7B15.4B51.4B$
126.4B21.11B15.4B51.4B$127.4B19.11B17.4B51.4B$128.4B18.11B18.4B51.4B$
129.4B17.11B19.4B51.4B$130.4B16.8B2.B2A18.4B51.4B$131.4B15.7B3.BA.A
18.4B51.4B$132.4B14.7B6.A19.4B51.4B$133.4B13.6B7.2A19.4B51.4B$134.4B
11.7B29.4B51.4B$135.4B9.8B30.4B51.4B$136.4B7.8B32.4B51.4B$137.4B5.9B
33.4B51.4B$138.4B3.4B.6B33.4B51.4B$139.4B.4B.7B34.4B51.4B$140.7B2.6B
36.4B51.4B$141.5B3.6B37.4B51.4B$141.5B4.B2A2B38.4B51.4B$141.6B2.2B2A
3B38.4B51.4B$139.2A2B.4B.7B39.4B51.4B$138.A.AB3.4B.5B41.4B51.4B$138.A
7.9B42.4B51.3B$137.2A8.8B43.4B51.2B$148.7B44.4B51.B$149.6B7.2A36.4B$
141.2A5.7B7.A38.4B$142.A6.7B3.BA.A39.4B$142.A.AB.11B.B2A41.4B$143.2AB
.2BA10B44.4B$145.3BABA10B44.4B$145.3BABA9B46.4B$147.2BA8B.B2A45.4B$
149.9B.BA.A45.4B$149.3B2.4B4.A46.4B$147.5B3.4B3.2A46.4B$147.2AB6.4B
51.4B$148.A8.4B51.4B$145.3A10.4B51.4B$145.A13.4B51.4B$160.4B51.4B$
161.4B51.4B$162.4B51.4B$163.4B51.4B$164.4B51.4B$165.4B51.4B$166.4B51.
4B$167.4B51.4B$168.4B51.4B$169.4B51.4B$170.4B51.3B$171.4B51.2B$172.4B
51.B$173.4B$174.4B$175.4B$176.4B$177.4B$178.4B$179.4B$180.4B$181.4B$
182.4B$183.4B$184.4B$185.4B$186.4B$187.4B$188.4B$189.4B$190.4B$191.4B
$192.4B$193.4B$194.4B$195.4B$196.3B$197.2B$198.B!

There are a couple of blocks up in the danger zone, but they're easy to build at the end of a construction cycle -- a trivial problem compared to building an entire semi-Snark right on the construction lanes.

Here's another variant with 75 still lifes, but only one block in the danger zone:

x = 245, y = 215, rule = LifeHistory
108.2A$108.2A$100.4B6.4B$99.4B6.4B$98.4B6.4B$97.4B6.4B$96.4B6.4B$95.
4B6.4B$94.4B6.4B$93.4B6.4B$92.4B6.4B$91.4B6.4B$90.4B6.4B$89.4B6.4B$
88.4B6.4B$87.4B6.4B$86.4B6.4B$85.4B6.4B$84.4B6.4B$83.4B6.4B$82.4B6.4B
$81.4B7.4B$80.4B7.5B$79.4B5.9B$78.4B6.9B$77.4B7.9B$76.4B8.10B$75.4B8.
12B$74.4B8.13B8.2A$73.4B10.11B9.A$72.4B12.12B4.BA.A$71.4B13.15B.B2A$
70.4B14.17B$69.4B15.17B20.A$68.4B13.B.17B11.2A6.3A$67.4B13.2A19B9.B2A
B4.A$66.4B14.2AB.19B8.3B4.2A$65.4B16.B4.20B2.2B2.B2.5B$64.4B22.32B$
63.4B23.9B.21B2A$62.4B25.7B2.16B2A3B2A$61.4B26.7B2.16B2A2B.B$60.4B27.
6B4.19B$59.4B28.7B10.10B$58.4B29.6B12.9B$57.4B29.7B13.9B8.A7.A$56.4B
31.6B14.7B7.3A5.3A$55.4B33.5B15.6B6.A7.A$54.4B34.6B13.6B7.2A6.2A$53.
4B37.4B12.8B4.4B4.4B$52.4B37.B2A2B13.8B2.3B5.3B20.A$51.4B39.2A15.13B
4.4B.3B.B12.3A$50.4B57.28B10.A$49.4B58.25B2A2B5.B3.2A$48.4B59.25B2A2B
3.8B$47.4B59.30B.8B21.A$46.4B58.41B11.2A6.3A$45.4B59.22B2.2B.15B9.B2A
B4.A$44.4B59.20B8.17B8.3B4.2A$43.4B60.21B8.19B2.2B2.B2.5B$42.4B61.17B
.4B7.31B$41.4B61.19B.3B8.7B.21B2A$40.4B60.21B3.B2A5.25B2A3B2A$39.4B
61.21B3.BA.A3.26B2A2B.B$38.4B61.20B8.A4.8B2.19B$37.4B63.20B7.2A3.6B
11.10B$36.4B65.19B13.5B12.9B$35.4B66.18B14.4B14.9B8.A7.A$34.4B68.17B
15.3B15.7B7.3A5.3A11.A$33.4B69.16B14.4B17.6B6.A7.A14.3A$32.4B71.14B
15.2A18.6B7.2A6.2A16.A14.A$31.4B73.13B16.A17.8B4.4B4.4B15.2A12.3A$30.
4B77.11B12.3A19.8B2.3B5.3B5.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$29.4B79.9B13.A21.13B4.4B.
13B5.5B6.2A$28.4B80.7B37.46B2.5B$27.4B82.4B39.51B$26.4B84.3B39.50B2A$
25.4B86.4B36.32B2A17B2A$24.4B89.2A34.34B2A16B.B$23.4B90.A35.22B2.2B3.
23B$22.4B92.3A31.20B11.10B2.9B$21.4B95.A31.21B13.6B3.8B$20.4B128.17B.
4B14.3B4.7B$19.4B128.19B.4B15.B3.11B$18.4B127.21B2.4B14.2A2.12B$17.4B
128.21B3.4B14.A2.12B$16.4B128.20B6.4B10.3A4.11B$15.4B130.20B6.4B9.A4.
4B.8B$14.4B132.19B7.4B13.2A4.7B$13.4B133.18B9.4B13.A4.7B$12.4B135.17B
10.4B9.3A6.6B$11.4B136.16B12.4B8.A8.7B$10.4B138.14B14.4B16.8B$9.7B
137.13B15.4B16.8B$9.9B138.11B15.4B15.9B$8.11B138.9B17.4B13.6B.4B$5.
13B139.7B20.4B12.7B.4B$4.14B140.4B23.4B12.6B2.4B$3.16B140.4B23.4B4.B
4.8B3.4B$3.17B140.4B23.2B3.4B.6B2AB5.4B$2.18B34.A9.A15.A80.4B21.17B2A
2B5.4B$2.19B33.3A5.3A13.3A81.4B21.19B7.4B$.20B21.2A13.A3.A15.A85.4B
20.18B9.4B$20B22.A13.2A.B.2A14.2A85.4B21.13B13.4B$.21B21.A12.7B12.4B
86.4B22.12B13.4B$.21B20.2A14.3B13.3B20.A68.4B23.10B14.4B$3.19B20.B13.
6B11.4B.3B.B12.3A69.4B22.11B14.4B$4.17B19.3B9.2B2.6B4.18B10.A73.4B22.
2B.7B15.4B$4.18B16.6B7.4B.7B2.16B2A2B5.B3.2A73.4B21.11B15.4B$4.20B11.
10B2.16B2.16B2A2B3.8B74.4B19.11B17.4B$5.22B2.2B3.30B.20B.8B21.A55.4B
18.11B18.4B$5.34B2A53B11.2A6.3A56.4B17.11B19.4B$7.32B2A34B2.2B.15B9.B
2AB4.A60.4B16.8B2.B2A18.4B$8.64B8.17B8.3B4.2A60.4B15.7B3.BA.A18.4B$8.
62B11.19B2.2B2.B2.5B61.4B14.7B6.A19.4B$8.61B12.31B64.4B13.6B7.2A19.4B
$8.13B4.4B.13B3.B.22B12.7B.21B2A64.4B11.7B29.4B$8.6B4.3B5.3B5.B.7B7.
11B2.7B11.25B2A3B2A65.4B9.8B30.4B$7.7B5.4B4.4B20.3B.4B6.3B.B2A8.26B2A
2B.B67.4B7.8B32.4B$8.6B7.2A6.2A19.A4.2B2AB9.BA.A8.8B2.19B70.4B5.9B33.
4B$9.6B6.A7.A18.3A6.2A13.A8.6B11.10B73.4B3.4B.6B33.4B$9.6B7.3A5.3A14.
A24.2A8.5B12.9B74.4B.4B.7B34.4B$8.8B8.A7.A14.2A33.4B14.9B8.A7.A57.7B
2.6B36.4B$9.6B68.3B15.7B7.3A5.3A11.A46.5B3.6B37.4B$8.7B66.4B17.6B6.A
7.A14.3A44.5B4.B2A2B38.4B$6.11B64.2A18.6B7.2A6.2A16.A14.A28.6B2.2B2A
3B38.4B$4.9B2A2B.B63.A17.8B4.4B4.4B15.2A12.3A26.2AB2.4B.7B39.4B$4.9B
2A3B2A59.3A19.8B2.3B5.3B5.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A28.A.AB3.4B.5B41.4B$4.14B2A
59.A21.13B4.4B.13B5.5B6.2A27.A7.9B42.4B$5.14B82.46B2.5B26.2A8.8B43.4B
$5.3B.2B2.B2.5B80.51B39.7B44.3B$5.2A5.3B4.2A80.50B2A39.6B7.2A36.2B$6.
A4.B2AB4.A80.32B2A17B2A31.2A5.7B7.A38.B$3.3A6.2A6.3A75.34B2A16B.B33.A
6.7B3.BA.A$3.A18.A75.22B2.2B3.23B35.A.AB.11B.B2A$97.20B11.10B2.9B37.
2AB.2BA10B$97.21B13.6B3.8B40.3BABA10B$97.17B.4B14.3B4.7B41.3BABA9B$
96.19B.4B15.B3.11B40.2BA8B.B2A$94.21B2.4B14.2A2.12B41.8B2.BA.A$94.21B
3.4B14.A2.12B41.3B10.A$93.20B6.4B10.3A4.11B39.5B10.2A$94.20B6.4B9.A4.
4B.8B39.2AB$95.19B7.4B13.2A4.7B40.A$95.18B9.4B13.A4.7B37.3A$96.17B10.
4B9.3A6.6B37.A$96.16B12.4B8.A8.7B$97.14B14.4B16.8B$98.13B15.4B16.8B$
101.11B15.4B15.9B$102.9B17.4B13.6B.4B$102.7B20.4B12.7B.4B$103.4B23.4B
12.6B2.4B$104.4B23.4B4.B4.8B3.4B$105.4B23.2B3.4B.6B2AB5.4B$106.4B21.
17B2A2B5.4B$107.4B21.19B7.4B$108.4B20.18B9.4B$109.4B21.13B13.4B$110.
4B22.12B13.4B$111.4B23.10B14.4B$112.4B22.11B14.4B$113.4B22.2B.7B15.4B
$114.4B21.11B15.4B$115.4B19.11B17.4B$116.4B18.11B18.4B$117.4B17.11B
19.4B$118.4B16.8B2.B2A18.4B$119.4B15.7B3.BA.A18.4B$120.4B14.7B6.A19.
4B$121.4B13.6B7.2A19.4B$122.4B11.7B29.4B$123.4B9.8B30.4B$124.4B7.8B
32.4B$125.4B5.9B33.4B$126.4B3.4B.6B33.4B$127.4B.4B.7B34.4B$128.7B2.6B
36.4B$129.5B3.6B37.4B$129.5B4.B2A2B38.4B$129.6B2.2B2A3B38.4B$127.2AB
2.4B.7B39.4B$126.A.AB3.4B.5B41.4B$126.A7.9B42.4B$125.2A8.8B43.4B$136.
7B44.4B$137.6B7.2A36.4B$129.2A5.7B7.A38.4B$130.A6.7B3.BA.A39.4B$130.A
.AB.11B.B2A41.4B$131.2AB.2BA10B44.4B$133.3BABA10B44.4B$133.3BABA9B46.
4B$135.2BA8B.B2A45.4B$137.8B2.BA.A45.4B$137.3B10.A46.4B$135.5B10.2A
46.4B$135.2AB61.4B$136.A63.4B$133.3A65.4B$133.A68.4B$203.4B$204.4B$
205.4B$206.4B$207.4B$208.4B$209.4B$210.4B$211.4B$212.4B$213.4B$214.3B
$215.2B$216.B!

EDIT: Another option: 68 Spartan still lifes (or thereabouts) with a high proportion of blocks... but with a couple of eaters in the danger zone:

x = 198, y = 214, rule = LifeHistory
68.4B$68.4B.2A$67.4B.B2AB$66.9B.2B$65.4B3.6B$64.4B6.4B$63.4B6.5B$62.
4B6.4B$61.4B6.4B$60.4B6.4B$59.4B6.4B$58.4B6.4B$57.4B6.4B$56.4B6.4B$
55.4B6.4B$54.4B6.4B$53.4B6.4B$52.4B6.4B$51.4B6.4B$50.4B6.4B$49.4B6.4B
$48.4B6.4B$47.4B6.4B$46.4B6.4B$45.4B6.4B$44.4B6.4B$43.4B6.4B$42.4B7.
4B18.A$41.4B7.5B18.3A$40.4B5.9B20.A22.A$39.4B6.9B19.2A20.3A$38.4B7.9B
19.4B17.A$37.4B8.10B20.3B16.2A$36.4B8.12B18.4B14.4B$35.4B8.13B8.2A8.
5B12.3B20.A$34.4B10.11B9.A8.6B11.4B.3B.B12.3A$33.4B12.12B4.BA.A8.8B2.
18B10.A$32.4B13.15B.B2A8.26B2A2B5.B3.2A$31.4B14.17B11.25B2A2B3.8B$30.
4B15.17B12.7B.20B.8B21.A$29.4B13.B.17B12.38B11.2A6.3A$28.4B13.2A19B
11.19B2.2B.15B9.B2AB4.A$27.4B14.2AB.19B8.17B8.17B8.3B4.2A$26.4B16.B4.
20B2.2B.15B11.19B2.2B2.B2.5B$25.4B22.39B12.31B$24.4B23.9B.20B.8B13.7B
.21B2A$23.4B25.7B2.16B2A2B3.8B10.25B2A3B2A$22.4B26.7B2.16B2A2B5.B3.2A
9.26B2A2B.B$21.4B27.6B4.18B10.A11.8B2.19B$20.4B28.7B10.4B.3B.B12.3A8.
6B11.10B$19.4B29.6B12.3B20.A9.5B12.9B$18.4B29.7B13.4B28.4B14.9B8.A7.A
$17.4B31.6B15.2A29.3B15.7B7.3A5.3A11.A$16.4B33.5B15.A28.4B17.6B6.A7.A
14.3A$15.4B34.6B15.3A25.2A18.6B7.2A6.2A16.A14.A$14.4B37.4B17.A26.A17.
8B4.4B4.4B15.2A12.3A$13.5B36.B2A2B41.3A19.8B2.3B5.3B5.B.7B3.3B.2B7.A$
12.8B6.2A27.2A43.A21.13B4.4B.13B5.5B6.2A$10.11B5.A95.46B2.5B$8.13B2.B
A.A95.51B$7.14B2.B2A96.50B2A$7.17B97.32B2A17B2A$8.16B95.34B2A16B.B$
10.14B95.22B2.2B3.23B$11.13B94.20B11.10B2.9B$11.14B93.21B13.6B3.8B$
11.15B92.17B.4B14.3B4.7B$8.17B4.2A86.19B.4B15.B3.11B$8.17B3.B2AB83.
21B2.4B14.2A2.12B$8.17B3.4B83.21B3.4B14.A2.12B$6.22B.3B2.B6.2A71.20B
6.4B10.3A4.11B$5.31B5.A73.20B6.4B9.A4.4B.8B$4.33B.BA.A74.19B7.4B13.2A
4.7B$3.34B.B2A75.18B9.4B13.A4.7B$2.2A35B78.17B10.4B9.3A6.6B$.A.AB3.
31B78.16B12.4B8.A8.7B$.A8.28B80.14B14.4B16.8B$2A8.27B82.13B15.4B16.8B
$11.2B.10B3.10B85.11B15.4B15.9B$10.2B4.11B.9B86.9B17.4B13.6B.4B$9.B2A
B3.20B87.7B20.4B12.7B.4B$10.2A4.12B.4B91.4B23.4B12.6B2.4B$17.11B.4B
92.4B23.4B4.B4.8B3.4B$15.4B.8B2.3B93.4B23.2B3.4B.6B2AB5.4B$15.2A4.7B
3.B14.A80.4B21.17B2A2B5.4B$16.A4.7B16.3A81.4B21.19B7.4B$13.3A6.6B15.A
85.4B20.18B9.4B$13.A8.7B14.2A85.4B21.13B13.4B$22.8B11.4B86.4B22.12B
13.4B$23.8B9.3B20.A68.4B23.10B14.4B$23.9B7.4B.3B.B12.3A69.4B22.11B14.
4B$22.6B.21B10.A73.4B22.2B.7B15.4B$22.7B.17B2A2B5.B3.2A73.4B21.11B15.
4B$23.6B2.16B2A2B3.8B74.4B19.11B17.4B$23.7B.20B.8B21.A55.4B18.11B18.
4B$22.38B11.2A6.3A56.4B17.11B19.4B$22.19B2.2B.15B9.B2AB4.A60.4B16.8B
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21.19B7.4B$74.4B20.18B9.4B$75.4B21.13B13.4B$76.4B22.12B13.4B$77.4B23.
10B14.4B$78.4B22.11B14.4B$79.4B22.2B.7B15.4B$80.4B21.11B15.4B$81.4B
19.11B17.4B$82.4B18.11B18.4B$83.4B17.11B19.4B$84.4B16.8B2.B2A18.4B$
85.4B15.7B3.BA.A18.4B$86.4B14.7B6.A19.4B$87.4B13.6B7.2A19.4B$88.4B11.
7B29.4B$89.4B9.8B30.4B$90.4B7.8B32.4B$91.4B5.9B33.4B$92.4B3.4B.6B33.
4B$93.4B.4B.7B34.4B$94.7B2.6B36.4B$95.5B3.6B37.4B$95.5B4.B2A2B38.4B$
95.6B2.2B2A3B38.4B$93.2AB2.4B.7B39.4B$92.A.AB3.4B.5B41.4B$92.A7.9B42.
4B$91.2A8.8B43.4B$102.7B44.4B$103.6B7.2A36.4B$95.2A5.7B7.A38.4B$96.A
6.7B3.BA.A39.4B$96.A.AB.11B.B2A41.4B$97.2AB.2BA10B44.4B$99.3BABA10B
44.4B$99.3BABA2B2A5B46.4B$101.2BA3BABA2B.B2A45.4B$103.4BA3B2.BA.A45.
4B$103.3B10.A46.4B$101.5B10.2A46.4B$101.2AB61.4B$102.A63.4B$99.3A65.
4B$99.A68.4B$169.4B$170.4B$171.4B$172.4B$173.4B$174.4B$175.4B$176.4B$
177.4B$178.4B$179.4B$180.4B$181.4B$182.4B$183.4B$184.4B$185.4B$186.4B
$187.4B$188.4B$189.4B$190.4B$191.4B$192.4B$193.4B$194.4B$195.3B$196.
2B$197.B!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 25th, 2013, 12:49 pm

Both the 9-half-diagonal and 10-half-diagonal construction arms have many more operations available when singleton gliders are allowed. The latest 10hd designs I posted have no trouble with singleton gliders. So I'm now working on a 10hd glider-pair recipe-builder script that allows singleton gliders on either lane -- coded as -999 and 999, respectively.

For 9hd I already have a builder script, a variant of the one I posted earlier that could only handle strict pairs of gliders.

EDIT 10/3/2013: updated to use new even/odd format --
build-eo9hd-salvo-with-singletons.py:
'''
Recipes including singletons:

m-22:e11 o38 e-15 o21
m-21:e-10 o999 e37 o-154
m-20:e11 e6 e30 o21
m-17:e11 o38 e-15 o34
m-15:e-11 o-34 e15 e-999
m-14:e-31 e-7 e-19 e-58
m-13:e-26 o-75 o2 e-999
m-12:e10 o-999 e-36 e42
m-11:e31 e7 o11 e43
m-10:e10 e10 e999 e999
m-9:e-1 e79 o-44 o-999
m-8:e10 o-80 o-20 e-999
m-7:e-10 o999 o2 e2
m-6:e1 e-59 o47 o999
m-5:e-11 o-132 e-16 e999
m-4:e-1 e-12 e5 o999
m-3:e-1 e9 e-6 o-999
m-2:e-11 o4 e-25 o999
m-1:e1 o-999 o-23
m+1:e31 o999 e999
m+2:e-25 o7 o8 e13
m+3:e-26 e30 e14 e-999
m+5:e-25 o7 o-2 e-999
m+6:e1 o18 e0 o-6
m+7:e1 o18 e4 e999
m-19g-36:e-26 o-95 e-60
m-18g+6:e63 e21 e-999 e-7
m-9g-15:e40 e97 o1 e-89
m-8g-6:e11 o56 e58 e-12
m-8g-5:e-26 o-63 e-44 e-999
m-5g-5:e-26 o-63 o-47 e-999
m-2g-5:e-26 o-63 e-52 o44
m-2g-2:e1 o18 o8 e86
m-5g-15:e-10 o-7 o-173 e-16
m-4g-18:e11 o47 e27 o16
m-2g+13:e1 o18 o4 e-999
m0g-13:e40 e88 e999 e-119
m1g-19:e-31 e999 o-17 o-999

Pure glider-pair recipes only:

-19(-34):e26 e95 e60
-9(-13):e-40 e-97 o-1 e89
-8(-4):e-11 e-56 o-58 e0
-8(-3):e26 e63 e65 o14
-5(-13):e10 e7 e0 e0
-4(-16):e-11 o-47 e-27 e-16
-2(-3):e26 e63 e52 o-44
-22:e11 o38 e-15 o21
-20:e11 e6 e30 o21
-17:e11 o38 e-15 o34
-14:e10 o-80 e-1 e17
-11:e26 e33 o-150 o22
-10:e10 o-81 e13 o-130
-9:e11 e34 e52 e0
-7:e11 o47 e27 o24
-6:e40 e140 e-67 e-7
-5:e1 e-10 o70 e-9
-4:e1 o-3 o20 o-22
-3:e1 e-59 e52 o-44
-1:e-1 e-18 o-17 e58
NOP:e1 o17 o11 e77
+1:e31 o3 e17
+2:e25 e-7 e4 e51
+3:e-25 e7 e-4 e0
+6:e-1 e-18 e23 o-39
+7:e1 o18 e4 e-12
-19r(-34):e-26 e-95 o-60
-9r(-13):e40 e97 o1 e-89
-8r(-4):e11 o56 e58 e0
-8r(-3):e-26 e-63 e-65 e-14
-5r(-13):e-10 o-7 e0 e0
-4r(-16):e11 o47 e27 o16
-2r(-3):e-26 e-63 e-52 o44
-22r:e-11 e-38 e15 o-21
-20r:e-11 o-6 e-30 e-21
-17r:e-11 e-38 e15 e-34
-14r:e-10 o0 o1 o-17
-11r:e-26 e-33 e150 e-22
-10r:e-10 e81 o-13 o130 e
-9r:e-11 o-34 e-52 o0
-7r:e-11 o-47 e-27 e-24
-6r:e-40 e-140 o67 o7
-5r:e-1 o10 e-70 e9
-4r:e-1 o3 e-20 e22
-3r:e-1 e59 e-52 o44
-1r:e1 o18 o17 o-58
NOPr:e-1 o-17 o-11 e-77
+1r:e-31 o-3 e-17
+2r:e-25 e7 e-4 e-51
+3r:e25 e-7 e4 e0
+6r:e1 o18 e-23 o39
+7r:e-1 e-18 o-4 e12

# combined:e26 e95 e60 e-40 e-97 o-1 e89 e-11 e-56 o-58 e-75 e26 e63 e65 o14 e10 e7 e00 e123 e-11 o-47 e-27 e-16 e26 e63 e52 o-44 e11 o38 e-15 o21 e11 e6 e30 o21 e11 o38 e-15 o34 e10 o-80 e-1 e17 e26 e33 o-150 o22 e10 o-81 e13 o-130 e11 e34 e52 e0 e11 o47 e27 o24 e40 e140 e-67 e-7 e1 e-10 o70 e-9 e1 o-3 o20 o-22 e1 e-59 e52 o-44 e-1 e-18 o-17 e58 e1 o17 o11 e77 e31 o3 e17 e25 e-7 e4 e51 e-25 e7 e-4 e0 e-1 e-18 e23 o-39 e1 o18 e4 e-12
# combined-reversed:e-26 e-95 o-60 e40 e97 o1 e-89 e11 o56 e58 e00 e-26 e-63 e-65 e-14 e-10 o-7 e00 e00 e11 o47 e27 o16 e-26 e-63 e-52 o44 e-11 e-38 e15 o-21 e-11 o-6 e-30 e-21 e-11 e-38 e15 e-34 e-10 o00 o1 o-17 e-26 e-33 e150 e-22 e-10 e81 o-13 o130 e-11 o-34 e-52 o0 e-11 o-47 e-27 e-24 e-40 e-140 o67 o7 e-1 o10 e-70 e9 e-1 o3 e-20 e22 e-1 e59 e-52 o44 e1 o18 o17 o-58 e-1 o-17 o-11 e-77 e-31 o-3 e-17 e-25 e7 e-4 e-51 e25 e-7 e4 e0 e1 o18 e-23 o39 e-1 e-18 o-4 e12
'''
# Create a construction recipe based on user input.
# Each integer specifies the relative timing of two gliders,
# where mirror-symmetric gliders on the -5 and 4 lanes is "0":
# 4b3o$4bo$5bo2$2o$obo$o! is the zero position.
#
# A prefix of 'e' or 'o' means that the parity of the incoming glider
#   must be even or odd, respectively.
#
# An offset of -999 will place a singleton glider on the +4 lane;
#   an offset of 999 places a glider on the -5 lane instead.
#
# A mirror-image operation can be produced be negating all integers.
# However, the reference glider changes with a mirror image, so
# in many cases the parities of the reference gliders will change
# and the separators have to be different, as shown in the list below.

# build-9hd-salvo-with-singletons.py:
#   create a glider-pair construction recipe based on user input
# -----------------------------------------------------------------------
import golly as g
from string import maketrans
phaselist=["3o$o$bo!","b2o$2o$2bo!","b2o$bobo$bo!","2bo$b2o$bobo!","$b3o$bo$2bo!"]
recipe = g.getclipstr()
if recipe.find(":")<1 or recipe.find("#")>-1:
  recipe = g.getstring("Enter recipe:","-19(-34)NOP:e26 e95 e60 e1 o17 o11 e77","Enter an e/o-separated construction recipe")

i=recipe.find(":")
if i==-1: recipe, i = "Input:" + recipe,5
rparts = recipe.split(":")

rname = rparts[0]
g.new(rname)
g.setrule("LifeHistory")

g.putcells(g.parse("2E$2E!"))
recipestr = rparts[1].replace('\n',' ').replace('\r',' ').replace(' ','').replace('E','e').replace('O','o')
rlist = recipestr.replace('o','e').split("e")[1:]
parities = recipestr.translate(maketrans("",""),"0123456789-")+"~"
if parities.replace('e','').replace('o','')!="~":
  g.exit("Bad format -- parity check failed for " + recipestr)

loc=20
# g.exit(str(parities) + "::" + str(rlist))
for delta in rlist:
  parity=1 if parities[0]=="o" else 0
  parities=parities[1:]
  g.fit()
  g.update()
  try:
    d=int(delta)
  except:
    continue
  if abs(d)<999:
    offset, phase = (d-2)//4, (d-2)%4
    # g.note("offset=" + str(offset) + ", delta=" + str(d) + ", phase=" + str(phase) + ", parity=" + str(parity) + " " + parities)
    g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity]),loc-3,loc+2) #-5 lane
    g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity+phase]),loc+2+offset,loc-2+offset) #+4 lane
  else: # singleton glider
    if d<0:
      g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity]),loc+2+offset,loc-2+offset) #+4 lane
    else:
      g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity]),loc-3,loc+2) #-5 lane
  loc+=100

g.setstep(4)

I'll add the build-10hd-salvo-with-singletons.py code here when I get it done.

EDIT: Here's the prototype 10hd builder script. Seems to work fine: negating the glider pairs' relative timing measurements still builds a mirror-image recipe... which works perfectly, as long as the elbow block starts on the mirror-image lane! Fortunately a singleton glider can switch the chirality of the elbow block -- so this is an interesting new wrinkle but not in any sense a limitation for 10hd construction recipes.

See the comments at the bottom of the script for some sample recipes to copy to the clipboard and try in the script.

build-eo10hd-gp-salvo-with-singletons.py:
# create a 10hd-glider-pair construction recipe based on user input

import golly as g
from string import maketrans
phaselist=["3o$o$bo!","b2o$2o$2bo!","b2o$bobo$bo!","2bo$b2o$bobo!","$b3o$bo$2bo!"]
recipe = g.getclipstr()
if recipe.find(":")<1:
  recipe = g.getstring("Enter recipe:","standardreci-19(-34)NOP:26,95,60,1;17;11,77","Enter a :;,[space]-separated construction recipe")

i=recipe.find(":")
if i==-1:
   recipe = "Input:" + recipe
   i=recipe.find(":")

rparts = recipe.split(":")

rname = rparts[0]
g.new(rname)
g.setrule("LifeHistory")

g.putcells(g.parse("2E$2E!"))
recipestr = rparts[1].replace('\n',' ').replace('\r',' ').replace(' ','').replace('E','e').replace('O','o')
recipestr=recipestr.replace(',','e').replace(';','o').replace(' ','e').replace("ee",'e').replace("eo",'o')
rlist = recipestr.replace('o','e').split("e")[1:]
parities = recipestr.translate(maketrans("",""),"0123456789-")+"~"
if parities.replace('e','').replace('o','')!="~":
  g.exit("Bad format -- parity check failed for " + recipestr)
parity=0
if rlist[0]=="":
  rlist=rlist[1:] # always true unless old comma/semicolon format is used
  parities=parities[1:]

loc=20
for delta in rlist:
  g.fit()
  g.update()
  try:
    d=int(delta)
  except:
    continue
  if abs(d)<999:
    offset, phase = d//4, d%4
    # g.note("offset=" + str(offset) + ", delta=" + str(d) + ", phase=" + str(phase) + ", parity=" + str(parity) + " " + parities)
    g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity]),loc-3,loc+3) #-6 lane
    g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity+phase]),loc+2+offset,loc-2+offset) #+4 lane
  else: # singleton glider
    if d<0:
      g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity]),loc+2+offset,loc-2+offset) #+4 lane
    else:
      g.putcells(g.parse(phaselist[parity]),loc-3,loc+3) #-6 lane
  loc+=50
  parity=1 if parities[0]=="o" else 0
  parities=parities[1:]

g.setstep(4)
'''
Operation(inc=11): [
  # 5-cycle INC11:
  # 2o$2o4b2o$6bobo$6bo3$2bo$b2o$bobo137$150b2o$150bobo$150bo9$151b2o$150b2o$152bo139$301b3o$301bo$302bo5$299b2o$299bobo$299bo137$439bo$438b2o$438bobo9$459b2o$459bobo$459bo136$596b3o$596bo$597bo9$598b2o$598bobo$598bo!
  Instruction(Cycle(21, 0, na), Cycle(619, 576, na), Cycle(1212, 1182, na), Cycle(1769, 1812, na), Cycle(2408, 2362, na)) ] ,
                    0-21+20 = -1  576-619+20 = -23         1182-1212+20 = 10      1812-1769+20 = 63      2362-2408+20 = -26

m+11:-1,-23;-10,63,-26

This is what you get if you go by the cycle numbers.  It works, too:
m+11:-1,-23;-10,63;-26

-- because the last intermediate target is P1, so either phase is fine.
[The reference lane is the first number, which is odd in the first cycle...
so you have to say odd=, and even=; instead of the other way around.]

m+8r:999,1,23,10,-63,26,-999

[it's not "m+11r" because of the two knight moves that put the elbow
  on the mirror-lane, then move it back to its original lane.]

# accidental discovery due to getting the sign wrong...
m+5:-1,-23;-10,63,26
m+2r:999,1,23,10,-63,-26,-999

Elbow splitter (new elbows at +1 and -8 mirrored):
m1s-7b:e-24 o-24 e24 e5 e-26

m1s-12a:e-24 o-24 e24 e5 e-26 e-6
'''
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby Extrementhusiast » July 25th, 2013, 11:07 pm

What I meant by "destructible Herschel conduits" was something more like this:
x = 29, y = 82, rule = LifeHistory
14.2A$14.2A4$15.3D$16.D$14.3D6$14.2A7.2A$14.2A7.2A3$19.2A2.2A$19.2A2.
2A2.2A$27.2A2$24.2A$15.3D6.2A$16.D$16.3D$22.2A$22.2A7$25.2A$25.2A3$
11.2A8.2A$11.2A8.2A6$8.3D$9.D$9.3D10.2A$22.2A3$19.2A$19.2A8$14.2A$14.
2A4$19.2A$14.2A3.2A$14.2A4$7.C$7.3C$7.C.C$9.C2$2A$2A4$.2A$.2A!
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Re: Geminoid Challenge

Postby dvgrn » July 26th, 2013, 5:53 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:What I meant by "destructible Herschel conduits" was something more like this...

Single-use, then, and clean-burning. I suspect there are easily billions of clean one-time Herschel conduits, especially if you allow other "bait" still lifes besides blocks. Playing around with the Seeds of Destruction Game, you'll see the characteristic "dinosaur-head" signature of a burned-out Herschel several times per minute, at least:

#C a few minutes with the SODGame...
x = 86, y = 152, rule = LifeHistory
45.2A$45.2A8$36.2A$36.2A3$52.2A$24.2A3.2A21.2A$24.2A3.2A5$5.2A67.2A$
5.2A12.D41.D12.2A$19.3D18.3A16.3D$2A17.D.D18.A18.D.D17.2A$2A19.D19.A
17.D19.2A7$20.2A37.2A$20.2A37.2A$41.2A$41.2A2$20.2A37.2A$20.2A37.2A$
84.2A$84.2A4$79.2A$2A19.D37.D18.A2.A$2A17.D.D29.2A6.D.D16.A2.A$19.3D
29.2A6.3D17.2A$5.2A12.D41.D$5.2A6$27.2A26.2A$4.2A21.2A26.2A$4.2A4$47.
2A$47.2A2$75.2A$75.A.A$76.A14$50.2A6.3D$50.2A8.D$59.3D22$52.2A14.2A$
52.2A14.2A6$58.3D$60.D$59.3D10$39.D$39.3D$39.D.D$41.D$21.2A37.2A$21.
2A37.2A4$52.2A$52.2A18$35.2A$35.2A!

The Blockic splitters thread includes a lot of this kind of thing, found mostly by knightlife. But it seems like a lot of work to maintain a comprehensive library of these things and the different ways they can and can't be chained together.

I suppose it's just an extension of the one-time glider turner libraries that I've been interested in for years. It would be fairly straightforward (though very tedious) to swap out the Herschel patterns in Hersrch's data folder with destructible Herschel circuits, and then Hersrch could chain together a one-time circuit that would get a Herschel from (0,0,0) to any sufficiently large (X,Y,T)... if it didn't run out of memory from having too large a search space!

But Herschels take up a lot of room, and have a tendency to throw off extra gliders that may or may not be wanted. For now I think I'll stick to cataloguing one-time glider turners and *WSS seeds and suchlike, myself.
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