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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby dvgrn » January 31st, 2015, 9:57 pm

Sokwe wrote:The classical way to solve this is with Buckingham's B->r, giving a new R421 conduit...

Funny, I thought I had figured out that that didn't work for some reason. It certainly looks good now!

A strange and useless coincidence: there's a known R421 with a different output Herschel location. This might be the first case where the output orientation and timing isn't sufficient to identify a Herschel conduit:

#C R421+4N 421+4N 43+N -43-N 202 DMG 4 Dec 2002
x = 88, y = 95, rule = B3/S23
14bo$13bobo$14bo3$8boo$8boo23boo$oo31bo$bo29bobo$bobo27boo$bboo4boo$8b
oo$$42boo$oo40bo$o39bobo$bboboo34boo$booboo$22boo$booboo16boo$bbobo$bb
obo$3bo8$29boo$29boo4$29boo$29boo$$23boo$24bo$24bobo$25boo3$76boo$76b
oo$81bo$79b3o$25bo52bo$25bobo22boo26boo$25b3o22bo5boo$27bo23b3obboo$
53bo$$42boo$42boo$$68boo$68boo$82boo$82boo$86boo$86boo$$37boo$37bo$38b
3o$40bo23boo$63bobbo$64bobo$65bo16$59bo$59b3o$62bo$61bobo$62bo$$69b3o$
63boo4bo$63boo3b3o!

Luckily we can the above "R421+4N" and the new one just plain "R421".

Sokwe wrote:Unfortunately, it might not be very useful due to its size and high repeat time.

One of the old standard ways of proving usefulness was to use the conduit successfully in a period-N gun from Jason Summers' gun collection. In point of fact, the new R421 is quite useful for building compact guns, especially higher-period guns, because the Herschel travels unusually slowly. Here's the old p485 gun, for example:

#C p00485 found using Karel Suhajda's Hersrch program
#C  Scot Ellison - 4 November 2003
#C Reduced by 16 columns with smaller P5 - Scot Ellison 4 May 2007
x = 179, y = 58, rule = B3/S23
41bob2ob2o17b2o6b2o16bob2ob2o$41b2obobobo16b2o4bo2bo16b2obobobo$47bo
23b2obob2o19bo$74bobobo$28bo20b3o19b2obo3bo42bo$28b3o18bo21b2o2bo2b3o
38b3o13bo25bo$31bo18bo23b2o5bo36bo16b3o21b3o$14b2o14b2o11b2o35b2o11b2o
23b2o18bo19bo9bo$14b2o27b2o20b3o25b2o42b2o19b2o6b5o$64bo2bo97bo5bo$64b
2obo97bob2o2bo$8b2o58bo95b2obobob3obo$8b2o57bo2bo98bo4b2o$12b2o48bo3bo
bobo97b2ob2o$12b2o47bo4bob2o96b2obobob5o$62bo4bo59b2o36bobobo8bo$127b
2o35b2ob2ob4o3b2o$55b2o47b2o58bo3bo5bo$7b2o47bo46bobo58bo7b2o$7b2o44b
3o47bo60bo7b2o$53bo48b2o10b2o48bo3bo5bo$27bo3b2o82bo48b2ob2ob4o3b2o$
26bobo3bo39b2o38b3o9b2o39bobobo8bo$26b2o3bo12b2o27bo20b2o16bo11bo41b2o
bobob5o$30bo13bobo23b3o21bobo28bo42b2ob2o$26b5obo13bo23bo25bo27b2o43bo
4b2o$26bo4b2o13b2o48b2o66b2obobob3obo$27b3o135bob2o2bo$29bob2o132bo5bo
$30bobo8b2o123b5o$42bo25bo99bo$10bo31bobo21b3o$8b5o30b2o20bo80bobo$7bo
5bo51b2o79b2obo$7bo2b2obo135b3o$3bob3obobob2o70bo45b2o13b2o4bo$3b2o4bo
73b3o17b2o27bo13bob5o$6b2ob2o71bo20bo28bobo13bo$b5obobob2o56b2o11b2o
20bo11bo16b2o12bo3b2o$o8bobobo55b2o32b2o9b3o29bo3bobo$2o3b4ob2ob2o98bo
32b2o3bo$4bo5bo3bo98b2o10b2o$5b2o7bo110bo44b2o$5b2o7bo108bobo44b2o$4bo
5bo3bo108b2o$2o3b4ob2ob2o85b2o$o8bobobo86b2o9bo3b2o$b5obobob2o31b2o64b
3ob4o47b2o$6b2ob2o33b2o11b2o50b2o6bo47b2o$3b2o4bo47bo50b3o5bo52b2o$3bo
b3obobob2o43b3o49bo4bo53b2o$7bo2b2obo46bo50bo$7bo5bo100bo$8b5o6b2o19b
2o48b2o17bo3bo20b2o27b2o$10bo9bo19bo27b2o20bo18bo24b2o11b2o14b2o$17b3o
21b3o23bobo21b3o16bo17bo18bo$17bo25bo23bo25bo13b3o19bo18b3o$66b2o39bo
19b3o20bo!

A new gun using R421 is smaller in both dimensions:

#C p00485 gun, 31 January 2015
x = 110, y = 57, rule = B3/S23
78bo$21b2o47bo5b3o$14b2o5b2o45b3o4bo$14b2o51bo7b2o$50b2o15b2o$50bo$16b
2o17b2o14bo38bo$16b2o17bo14b2o36b3o$10b2o21bobo45b2o4bo$10b2o21b2o46b
2o4b2o3$45bobo$37b2o5b2ob2o57b2o$36bo2bo7bo58bo$35b2o2bo4b2o57b2obo$
36b2o2bo3b2o5bo52bob2o$37b4o4bo3bobo52bobo2bo$10b2o34bo56b2o3b2o$11bo
38bo51bo2bo$11bobo40b2o47b3o$7bo4b2o23b2o16bo$7b3o27bo14b3o6bo41b2obob
2o$10bo27b3o11bo7bobo40b2ob2obo$9b2o29bo20bo5b2o$32bo35bo7bob2o$31bobo
31b3o6b3ob2o$31bobo31bo7bo$30b2ob3o38b3ob2o$36bo7bo31bobo$30b2ob3o6b3o
31bobo$30b2obo7bo35bo$41b2o5bo20bo29b2o$ob2ob2o40bobo7bo11b3o27bo$2obo
b2o41bo6b3o14bo27b3o$54bo16b2o29bo$4b3o47b2o$4bo2bo51bo$2o3b2o56bo$o2b
obo52bobo3bo4b4o$2b2obo52bo5b2o3bo2b2o$3bob2o57b2o4bo2b2o$3bo58bo7bo2b
o$2b2o57b2ob2o5b2o$62bobo3$21b2o4b2o46b2o21b2o9bo$22bo4b2o45bobo21b2o
7bobo$19b3o36b2o14bo17b2o14b2o$19bo38bo14b2o17b2o$59bo$41b2o15b2o$33b
2o7bo51b2o$34bo4b3o45b2o5b2o$31b3o5bo47b2o$31bo!

The same is true for the p970, of course. This actually might turn out to be a moderately useful delay conduit; it's quite hard to fit a delay of 400+ ticks into that small a space. Herschels travel much faster than this on average, and therefore take up more space.

That means the R421 can potentially reduce quite a few existing higher-period guns that rely on length-N or length-2N or length-3N Herschel loops. (There are a lot of these -- in particular, most of the prime-period guns are Herschel loops, for obvious reasons.)

...So I guess it's time to roll out another version of Hersrch. What else has showed up since December 2012 that also ought to be included? Will have to reconstruct Extrementhusiast's Lx79p4, I suppose, as well as a few Snark-assisted conduits.

EDIT: The safe repeat rate for the conduit is 363 ticks, by the way. It would be much smaller if it weren't for the extra output glider that crosses the next Herschel's path rather late in the reaction. There seems to be definitely not enough room to catch that glider with a 7x9 eater, a boat-bit catch, or any other tricks I can think of, so I guess we'll just have to live with the high recovery time. There are a few lower periods like p300 where the glider is naturally suppressed by the following Herschel.
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby dvgrn » January 31st, 2015, 10:30 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:This seems like a very promising starting point for a different stable reflector...
It can use a block, boat or beehive at that location. (This may also be somewhat promising for a Herschel conduit.)

Huh, I don't remember running into that one before. Set up for a catgl run, it looks like this:

x = 24, y = 19, rule = LifeHistory
3.A$2.A.A2.2A$2.A.A2.ABA$3.A3.A3B$8.4B$9.4B$10.4B$2.DCD2A4.4B$D3C.2A
5.4B$C5.D6.4B$.3C.2C7.4B$3.C.CD8.4B$3.C.C10.4B$4.CD11.4B$18.4B$19.4B$
20.4B$21.3B$22.B!

But now we're primarily looking for the rare cases where a block, boat, or beehive shows up again at the right location. Catalysts can be placed anywhere between about T=5 and T=170, and really the second catalyst could be later than that.

As a first attempt, I ran a three-catalyst search:

First generation to place catalyst: 5
Last generation to place catalyst: 139
Number of generations for catalyst to survive: 60
Total number of catalysts to place; 3
Number of parallel processes to run: 1

No luck, unfortunately -- see attached. Here's the one-off script I used to hunt for a lucky leftover piece of stable junk. There weren't any stabilizations that included the two key ON cells common to the block/boat/beehive:

post-test.py:
import golly as g

# g.run(1024)
r=g.getrect()
maxy=r[1]+r[3]
y=81
while y<maxy:
  if g.getcell(81,y)==3 and g.getcell(81,y+1)==3:
    g.select([81-25,y-25,50,50])
    g.fitsel()
    g.exit()
  y+=230

This doesn't prove anything about four or more catalysts, of course, or other catalysts not currently supported by Catgl 1.0.3. It might also be worth trying a ptbsearch search, which could include a transparent catalyst or two in the mix.

But where a two-catalyst search took just a few minutes, the three-catalyst search takes a few hours on my system. Looks like it will require the usual indeterminate amount of work -- hours, days, months, or never -- to get some junk to settle into the right place.

And even if some junk does settle, of course, there's no guarantee there will be an output glider or Herschel, or a lack of other uncleanable junk in the final stabilization. Finding this kind of thing efficiently will take a better search and filtering system.

On the other hand, you never know. Someone could adjust the input pattern to include a likely first catalyst, and run a new 3-catalyst search. That would be an almost completely new search space every time, and post-test.py might pop up a perfect G-to-H or G-to-G any time.

-- Probably won't, though. This looks like the kind of problem that needs a combination of unreasonable dedication and a lot of beginner's luck...!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Scorbie » February 1st, 2015, 12:01 am

dvgrn wrote:But now we're primarily looking for the rare cases where a block, boat, or beehive shows up again at the right location.
Isn't it sufficient if there exists a glider that can be collided with the resulting junk to make a pi in the right location? I don't think that's any more likely, but who knows?
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby simsim314 » February 1st, 2015, 4:36 am

@dvgrn Did you tried to add some more catalysts found with bellman? Maybe we can stay on 3 catalysts but if we'll have more options it would be something in-between the regular 3 and 4 catalysts.

EDIT Congrats on the new conduit and the improved guns (will add them soon into the gun list).

Obviously time delay mechanisms have their own use - so although usually we would like to have fast small conduits sometimes it's definitely useful to have slow and compact conduits, obviously as more time delay we want, the more complex it is to reach it in compact space.
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Extrementhusiast » February 1st, 2015, 5:41 pm

Since this has turned into the Herschel thread, here's an H-to-G9:
x = 66, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
15bo$14bobo$15bo2$36bo$35bobo$35bobo$36bo5$2b2o$bobo$bo$2o4$45b2o$11b
3o31b2o$12bo8b2o$12b3o6bo5b2o$22b3obobo$24bobo$25b2o$56b2o$55bo2bo2b2o
$55bobo4bo$36b2o18bo5bob2o$35bobo21b2obobo$35bo23bo2bo2bo$34b2o20bo4bo
2b2o$56b5o2$58b2obo$58bob2o!

Repeat time is currently 156, which could possibly be reduced if a suitable catalyst were found for the right side.

EDIT: A partial conduit that could be completed with a Bellman search proper:
x = 32, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$10bo$9bo$9b2o6$2o10b2o15bo$2o10b2o15bo$29b3o$31bo10$3o7b2o$bo8bob
o$b3o8bo$12b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby dvgrn » February 1st, 2015, 6:19 pm

Scorbie wrote:
dvgrn wrote:But now we're primarily looking for the rare cases where a block, boat, or beehive shows up again at the right location.
Isn't it sufficient if there exists a glider that can be collided with the resulting junk to make a pi in the right location? I don't think that's any more likely, but who knows?

True enough. A really thorough test of the output would maybe send in a fresh glider on each possible lane, and see if a pi showed up and all leftover junk conveniently disappeared.

It would have taken longer to write that test, though, and a lot longer to run it, because the pi could show up any time, not just at T=7. It seems as if a pi from a nonstandard reaction might show up for every thousand regular block/boat/beehive solutions, so the more thorough test wouldn't increase the success rate very much.

I'm wildly guessing about this, but if I'm right, then it will be enormously more effective to pick a good first catalyst from the results so far, run a new search with three additional catalysts, and filter again with the imperfect fast test. This is one of those cases where it's impossible to ever look through the entire search space, so you might as well look as quickly as you can at as many different possibilities as you can -- the most likely possibilities first.

There are almost always going to be just-barely-possible reactions that we're going to miss in this kind of automated search. In particular, even a good search result is very likely to need some manual cleaning up. The preliminary R421 conduit that catgl actually found also produced an extra block. I manually placed an eater to clean it up. If I'd been trusting even a slow thorough automated test to find the good results for me, this reaction would have been disqualified because of the block.

It would take a really smart filter to say, "this block is near the edge of the reaction envelope, so it's worth checking to see if it can be removed, and this other thing is an R-pentomino so we should try to tame it with known R-to-B conduits." It's hard to write an algorithmic substitute for this kind of human pattern recognition.

Brice Due started writing a new ptbsearch/catalyst search utility back in 2006, that scanned each generation of each reaction to find Herschels, B's, R's, and maybe optionally *WSSes and switch engines and other small interesting active objects. An early version, using only eaters as catalysts, found the F171 conduit. Unfortunately the program never got past the stage of editing the source code to change the search -- a sadly common fate for Life search utilities.

I believe Paul Chapman has some working code along the same lines, that he ran for some months off and on a few years ago, to look for a Spartan Snark.
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby simsim314 » February 2nd, 2015, 8:20 am

I've added p485 and p970 to the gun collection here. I've also updated the readme

Notice it's the first stable conduit found since 2012!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Kazyan » February 2nd, 2015, 2:46 pm

Running a Herschel + early eater combo through Bellman comes up with simple, but not obvious, catalysts. Some unusual applications of tubs, too. The search looks like it's ending soon, but maybe something else will come up.

x = 197, y = 88, rule = B3/S23
193bo$193b3o$196bo$76bo118bo$75bobo116bo$76bo117b2o$128bo$127bobo$bo
70bo2b2o51bo$b3o68b4obo$4bo23bo48bo$3b2o21b3o45b3o48bo62bo$25bo48bo49b
obo61b3o$26bo98bo65bo$24bobo163b2o$24b2o46bo$72b3o$75bo$2bo21b2o48b2o
51bo$2bobo19b2o101b3o$2b3o125bo$4bo124b2o58bo$189bobo$189b3o$191bo$73b
o$73bobo$73b3o$75bo52bo$128bobo$128b3o$130bo25$9bo$8bobo$9bo$132b2o$
132bo$129b2obo$69b2o58bo2bob2o$70bo60b2obo$6b2o62bobo61bo$6b2o63b2o61b
2o3$o70b2o62bo$3o68bo63b3o$3bo65bobo66bo$2b2o65b2o66b2o3$68bo$68b3o$
71bo$70b2o$bo134bo$bobo132bobo$b3o132b3o$3bo134bo3$69bo$69bobo$69b3o$
71bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby simsim314 » February 2nd, 2015, 3:25 pm

Kazyan wrote:Running a Herschel + early eater combo through Bellman


Can you please post bellman input?
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Kazyan » February 2nd, 2015, 3:30 pm

simsim314 wrote:
Kazyan wrote:Running a Herschel + early eater combo through Bellman


Can you please post bellman input?


#S last-encounter 200
#S repair-interval 9
#S stable-interval 8
#S max-live 500
#S max-active 9

#P 0 0
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..??????????????.....................
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......@.............???????????????..
......@.@...........???????????????..
......@@@...........???????????????..
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby dvgrn » February 2nd, 2015, 3:33 pm

Kazyan wrote:Running a Herschel + early eater combo through Bellman comes up with simple, but not obvious, catalysts. Some unusual applications of tubs, too.

Nice! The one in the upper left corner looks interesting. There's a natural Herschel signature coming out, with the B-heptomino block already cleaned up, and only a few extraneous pieces of junk to suppress. Unfortunately it looks like it may not be possible to protect the early eater from early destruction, without also losing the Herschel output.

If someone plans to try running catgl or ptbsearch on any of these, or Kazyan's previous Bellman catalysts, it might make sense to post a claim so that other people don't waste time on the same search. I've started a thread for new Herschel conduit searches so that we don't clutter up this Bellman thread any more.

Just by the way, this seems like the kind of pattern that LifeHistory state 6 was invented for. It's nice to be able to run a subpattern to completion without having to worry whether part of the reaction is really an intruding glider from another part of the stamp collection:

#C Kazyan's stamp collection with safe state-6 separation of subpatterns
x = 388, y = 181, rule = LifeHistory
F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.
F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.
F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.
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F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F2.F3$F95.F107.F92.F89.F3$F95.
F107.F92.F89.F3$F95.F107.F92.F89.F3$F95.F107.F92.F89.F3$F95.F107.F92.
F89.F3$F95.F107.F92.F89.F3$F95.F107.F92.F89.F3$F95.F107.F92.F89.F3$F
95.F107.F92.F89.F$151.A106.A$150.A.A104.A.A72.A$F95.F54.A52.F53.A38.F
34.3A52.F$335.A$334.A$F95.F50.A2.2A52.F50.A41.F35.A53.F$147.4A.A101.A
.A76.2A$152.A102.A$F95.F52.3A52.F92.F89.F$149.A2$F95.F107.F92.F89.F$
37.A109.A109.A69.A$37.3A107.3A107.3A67.3A$F39.A23.A31.F53.A53.F55.A
36.F32.A56.F$39.2A21.3A84.2A108.2A68.2A$61.A$F61.A33.F107.F92.F89.F$
60.A.A$60.2A$F95.F107.F92.F89.F2$38.A21.2A86.A109.A69.A$F37.A.A19.2A
34.F51.A.A53.F53.A.A36.F30.A.A56.F$38.3A107.3A107.3A67.3A$40.A109.A
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But I suppose just adding eaters for the Herschels' first natural gliders would accomplish more or less the same thing.
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby simsim314 » February 3rd, 2015, 2:23 am

@Kazyan thx it's very interesting - why did you avoid the top right corner?
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby dvgrn » February 4th, 2015, 10:58 pm

EDIT: Oops, meant to post this in the thread for new Herschel conduits, so I'm copying it over there now, with some improvements. Look there for the latest up-to-datest version.

I've put together a matrix of the mostly-Bellman-related Herschel results posted so far, so that we can refer to the various catalysts without quoting them all the time. The first two rows, A and B, are from Kazyan's first posting. C is Extrementhusiast's contribution, and D is Kazyan's Herschel-plus-early-eater search.

#C Herschel + Bellman catalyst matrix
x = 1210, y = 872, rule = LifeHistory
26.13D351.13D383.14D240.14D124.14D$22.20D226.14D104.20D241.37D99.20D
234.20D118.20D$20.24D105.9D107.21D98.24D130.11D98.37D96.25D93.47D90.
24D114.24D$19.27D102.10D104.26D94.28D127.12D98.37D95.27D92.47D88.28D
110.28D$18.29D101.10D103.29D91.30D125.13D98.37D93.31D90.47D87.30D108.
30D$17.31D99.11D101.32D89.32D124.13D97.38D92.33D89.47D86.32D106.32D$
16.33D97.12D100.34D87.34D122.14D97.38D91.35D88.47D85.34D104.34D$15.
34D96.13D99.36D85.36D120.15D97.38D90.36D88.47D84.36D102.36D$14.16D4.
16D95.13D98.38D84.16D4.17D119.15D97.38D90.17D3.17D87.47D83.17D4.17D
100.18D4.16D$13.15D8.15D93.14D97.18D4.18D82.15D8.15D118.16D97.38D89.
15D8.16D86.47D83.15D8.15D100.16D8.15D$13.14D10.14D92.15D97.15D10.16D
80.15D11.14D116.17D96.12D115.15D11.14D86.46D83.15D10.15D98.15D12.14D$
12.14D12.14D89.17D96.15D12.15D80.14D13.13D115.18D96.12D115.14D13.13D
117.14D84.14D12.14D98.14D14.13D$12.13D14.13D88.18D96.14D15.14D79.13D
15.13D114.18D96.12D114.14D14.14D116.13D85.13D14.13D97.14D16.13D$12.
12D16.13D86.19D95.14D16.14D78.13D16.13D113.19D96.12D114.13D16.13D115.
13D85.13D16.13D96.13D17.13D$11.13D16.13D84.21D95.13D18.13D78.13D17.
12D112.20D96.12D113.13D18.12D114.13D86.13D16.13D95.14D18.12D$11.12D
18.12D83.22D95.12D20.12D78.12D18.12D112.20D96.11D114.13D18.13D112.14D
86.12D18.12D95.13D20.12D$11.12D18.13D80.24D94.13D20.13D76.13D18.13D
110.21D95.12D114.12D19.13D112.13D87.12D18.12D95.13D20.12D$10.13D19.
12D78.26D94.13D20.13D76.13D19.12D109.22D95.12D113.13D20.12D111.13D88.
12D18.12D95.12D21.12D$10.12D20.12D76.28D94.12D22.12D76.12D20.12D108.
23D95.12D113.12D21.9D113.14D88.12D18.12D94.13D22.12D$10.12D20.12D75.
29D94.12D22.12D82.6D19.13D108.23D95.12D113.12D143.13D89.12D18.12D94.
13D22.12D$10.12D20.13D74.29D94.12D22.12D107.13D107.24D95.11D114.11D
143.13D90.12D18.12D94.12D23.12D$9.13D21.12D74.16D.12D94.12D22.12D107.
12D107.12D.12D94.12D113.12D142.14D90.13D16.13D94.12D23.12D$9.12D22.
12D74.15D2.12D98.8D22.12D107.12D107.12D.12D94.12D113.12D142.13D91.13D
16.13D94.12D23.12D$9.12D22.12D74.13D4.12D127.13D106.13D106.12D2.12D
94.12D4.12D97.12D141.13D93.13D14.14D94.12D23.12D$9.12D22.12D74.12D5.
12D127.13D105.14D105.12D3.12D94.12D.18D94.12D7.13D120.14D93.14D13.13D
95.12D23.13D$9.12D22.12D74.10D7.12D127.12D105.14D106.12D3.12D94.33D
92.11D5.19D117.13D94.15D11.14D95.12D23.13D$9.12D22.12D74.7D10.12D126.
13D104.15D105.12D4.12D94.35D90.11D3.23D114.14D95.15D8.15D96.13D22.13D
$9.12D22.12D74.5D12.12D126.13D102.16D105.12D5.12D93.37D89.11D.26D113.
13D97.16D4.16D97.13D22.13D$9.12D22.13D90.12D125.13D101.17D105.13D5.
12D93.39D86.41D110.14D98.34D98.13D21.14D$9.12D23.12D90.12D124.14D95.
22D106.12D6.12D93.40D85.42D109.13D100.32D100.13D20.14D$8.13D23.12D90.
12D124.13D95.22D106.12D7.12D93.40D85.43D107.13D102.30D101.13D19.15D$
8.13D23.12D90.12D123.14D95.21D106.12D8.12D93.41D84.43D107.13D104.26D
103.14D18.15D$8.13D23.12D90.12D122.14D96.20D107.12D8.12D92.19D5.19D
83.44D105.13D103.29D102.15D16.16D$8.12D24.12D90.12D121.15D96.23D103.
12D9.12D92.17D9.18D82.23D4.18D104.13D101.33D101.15D14.17D$8.12D24.12D
90.12D120.15D97.24D101.12D10.12D92.15D13.16D82.20D9.16D104.13D100.36D
99.16D12.18D$8.12D24.12D90.12D119.15D98.26D98.13D10.12D92.14D15.15D
82.19D12.15D102.13D100.38D99.16D9.20D$8.12D24.12D90.12D118.15D99.27D
97.12D11.12D92.13D17.15D81.18D14.14D102.13D99.18D4.18D98.19D4.22D$8.
13D23.12D90.12D117.16D99.5D5.17D96.12D12.12D92.12D19.14D81.17D16.14D
100.13D99.16D10.16D98.44D$8.13D23.12D90.12D116.16D112.16D94.13D12.12D
95.8D21.13D81.16D17.14D100.13D99.15D12.15D99.43D$8.13D23.12D90.12D
115.16D115.15D93.12D13.12D124.14D80.15D19.13D100.12D99.14D16.14D99.
42D$9.12D23.12D90.12D114.16D117.14D92.12D14.12D125.13D80.15D20.13D98.
13D99.13D18.13D100.41D$9.12D22.13D90.12D112.17D119.14D90.13D14.12D
125.13D80.14D21.13D98.13D98.14D18.14D100.40D$9.12D22.12D91.12D111.17D
121.13D89.13D15.12D125.13D80.14D21.13D97.13D99.13D20.13D101.25D2.12D$
9.12D22.12D91.12D110.17D122.13D89.12D16.12D125.13D80.14D22.12D97.13D
99.12D22.12D102.23D3.11D$9.12D22.12D91.12D109.16D125.13D87.12D17.12D
126.12D80.13D23.12D97.12D99.13D22.13D103.19D5.11D$9.12D22.12D91.12D
108.16D126.13D87.50D117.12D81.12D23.12D96.13D99.13D22.13D107.12D7.12D
$9.12D22.12D91.12D106.17D127.13D87.50D117.12D81.12D23.12D96.13D99.12D
24.12D126.12D$9.12D22.12D91.12D105.17D128.13D87.50D117.12D81.12D23.
12D96.12D100.12D24.12D126.12D$9.13D21.12D91.12D104.17D130.12D87.50D
117.12D81.12D23.12D96.12D100.12D24.12D126.12D$10.12D20.13D91.12D103.
17D100.7D24.12D87.50D83.10D23.13D81.12D23.12D95.13D100.12D24.12D126.
11D$10.12D20.12D92.12D102.16D97.13D22.13D87.50D81.13D22.13D81.13D22.
12D95.13D100.12D24.12D125.12D$10.12D20.12D92.12D101.16D98.13D22.13D
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19.12D92.12D100.16D100.12D22.13D87.50D81.13D22.12D83.12D21.12D95.13D
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82.13D20.13D83.13D20.12D95.13D102.12D22.13D93.11D20.12D$11.12D18.12D
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16D4.16D96.12D94.46D79.17D5.18D120.12D94.18D4.17D91.17D4.17D97.12D
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98.12D108.38D101.36D$15.34D97.12D93.47D81.36D122.12D95.36D95.34D99.
12D109.36D102.35D$16.32D98.12D93.47D82.34D123.12D96.34D97.32D99.13D
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32D106.31D$19.26D101.12D92.48D84.29D126.12D99.29D101.28D101.13D112.
30D109.27D$20.24D102.12D92.48D86.25D128.12D101.25D105.24D103.12D115.
26D112.25D$22.20D104.12D92.48D88.21D130.12D103.21D109.20D105.12D117.
22D116.20D$25.14D107.12D92.48D92.14D133.12D107.13D116.14D108.12D121.
14D123.14D34$90.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F
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7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F7.F8$90.F127.F
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127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F2$26.13D$25.15D$25.15D$24.16D
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19.12D3.13D756.2A3.A.2A125.A.3A121.A$18.13D3.13D761.A.A.A123.2A.A$18.
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A$14.13D11.14D38.F62.3A62.F62.3A62.F62.3A62.F62.3A62.F62.3A62.F62.3A
62.F62.3A62.F62.3A62.F$14.12D13.13D103.A127.A127.A127.A127.A127.A127.
A127.A$13.13D13.13D$13.13D14.13D113.A129.2A128.A$12.13D15.13D110.A.A.
A2.A125.A.A.2A.A121.A.A$12.13D15.14D107.3A.A.4A127.A.A.2A122.A117.A.
2A$12.13D16.13D106.A5.A130.2A118.A.2A121.3A.2A3.2A.2A117.A.2A$11.13D
17.13D106.2A6.A127.A2.A115.3A.A121.A9.2A.A.A114.3A.A$11.13D17.14D35.F
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A127.A3.A123.A$10.46D241.A117.2A.A127.A.3A.A.2A115.2A.A$9.47D239.A
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52D$7.13D25.14D$7.13D26.13D$6.13D27.14D$6.13D28.13D$5.14D28.14D$5.13D
29.14D$5.13D30.13D29.F127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F127.F$4.13D
31.14D$4.13D31.14D$4.13D32.14D$3.13D33.14D$3.13D34.13D$2.14D34.14D$2.
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13D37.14D$.13D38.14D$14D38.14D$13D39.14D$13D40.14D$13D40.14D2$90.F
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby codeholic » February 14th, 2015, 11:05 am

A catalyst for a r-pentamino predecessor:
x = 8, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
4bo$2b3o$bo3bo$2b3o$2b3o2$2bo$bobo$2bobo$obob3o$2o5bo$6b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Kazyan » March 5th, 2015, 5:06 pm

I keep seeing this catalyst as a catalyst for the leading edge of B-heptomino-like reactions. It usually doesn't work, but sometimes it does.

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL ZOOM 32 ]]
x = 7, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5bo$ob2obo$2obob2o2$4b3o$3bo2bo$3b2o!


EDIT: Here's an example if it in action:

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART ZOOM 16 LOOP 50 GPS 8 ]]
x = 16, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5bo$ob2obo$2obob2o2$4b3o6bobo$3bo2bo6bobo$3b2o8b3o!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Jackk » March 5th, 2015, 5:55 pm

Probably useless but I had to post it: Pi to clean Queen Bee -

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x = 26, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5bo$ob2obo18b2o$2obob2o17bo$22bobo$4b3o6bobo6b2o$3bo2bo6bobo$3b2o
8b3o!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby dvgrn » April 4th, 2015, 5:24 pm

Jackk wrote:Probably useless but I had to post it: Pi to clean Queen Bee -

A use was found for that reaction once upon a time, though maybe not a very useful use.

It turns out that a simple eater will do the same thing as that table-snake-bookend catalyst in this case, and that that it's possible to build a Herschel splitter with it, with the addition of a pentadecathlon:

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#C F349P15 / Fx349P15
x = 100, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
67b2o$68bo$67bo$67b2o$58b2o$58bobo37bo$59bo37bobo$97bobo$98bo$70b2o$
70b2o3$12bo8b2o6bo$12b3o6b2o6b3o$15bo16bo$14b2o15b2o$79b2o$78bobo$7b2o
69bo$8bo68b2o$8bobo53b4o$9b2o52b6o$54b2o6b8o$53bo2bo4b2o6b2o$54b2o6b8o
$63b6o$64b4o$77b2o$9bo68bo$9bobo66bobo$9b3o19b2o46b2o$11bo20bo$29b3o$
21b2o6bo$21b2o2b2o$25bobo$2b2o23bo$3bo23b2o41b2o$3o67b2o$o97bo$97bobo$
59bo37bobo$58bobo37bo$58b2o$67b2o$67bo$68bo$67b2o!
[[ AUTOSTART HEIGHT 360 LOOP 480 ]]
[[ PAUSE 5 "F349P15 /\n Fx349P15" ]]
[[ T 349 PAUSE 2 ]]

Has anyone investigated whether a Bellman-generated P1 catalyst can shove that beehive back into position? There's not a whole lot of room there on the axis, but there's a lot more than the pentadecathlon needs.

Also I seem to recall there might be a few more workable R-to-Herschel conduits available these days, that could also be used after the split.

But P15N is very limiting. If you're not careful, you start wondering why you're using huge awkward Herschel circuitry at all, instead of P30 guns and reflectors and so on. So it's probably not worth investigating unless a good substitute can be found for that oscillator.
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Kazyan » June 1st, 2015, 8:16 pm

Another Pi catalyst:

x = 20, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
10b2o$11bo$5b2ob3o$4bobobo$4bobo$b2obobo$2bobob2o$obobo$2o2bo$4bobo$5b
2o10b3o$17bobo$5b2o10bobo$5bo$3bobo$3b2o!


Could someone run it through ptbsearch?
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Kiran » June 1st, 2015, 10:31 pm

Is there any known re-burnable stable 3c/10 pi channel?
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby wildmyron » June 2nd, 2015, 4:06 am

Kiran wrote:Is there any known re-burnable stable 3c/10 pi channel?

I haven't been very active in exploration of Life but I was recently fascinated by the 3c/10 pi movement and did a little research on this topic. I wasn't able to find any reported stable pi channel which rather surprised me, but then I didn't even come across the pi turning reaction posted at viewtopic.php?p=20067#p20067 which isn't in the elementary conduits collection.
I also found it very difficult to search for pi specific patterns on conwaylife.com because of the three character minimum for search terms, but this google search does turn up a bunch of interesting related results (along with some less relevant results: https://www.google.com.au/search?q=site ... +converter
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Scorbie » June 2nd, 2015, 10:33 pm

This is the closest I found to what you are looking for.
http://pentadecathlon.com/lifenews/2005 ... racks.html
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Kiran » June 3rd, 2015, 12:14 pm

I can't believe this has not been found yet!
x = 655, y = 315, rule = B3/S23
5bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo8bo
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby codeholic » June 4th, 2015, 3:50 am

3c/10 is pi's "natural" speed, and there are plenty of ways to stabilize pi waves at this speed. There has been not so much research in the recent years, but there is a quite comprehensive "monograph" by Nikolai Belyuchenko on this topic.
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Kazyan » June 5th, 2015, 3:00 pm

This might be useful for something random--making a new hassler/gun, maybe. Phi spark gets converted into a Pi.

x = 13, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
4b2o$5bo$4bo$3bob3o$2bobo2bo$2bobo$2o2b2o6bo$bobo2bo4bo$o2b4o3bo$b2o7b
o$3b2o5bo$3bo7bo$4bo7bo$3b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Bellman Finds

Postby Goldtiger997 » September 7th, 2017, 9:09 am

Sorry for posting in an old thread, but I think this is something worth trying. (Was there somewhere else I should have posted this?)

A while ago, chris_c posted this reaction:

x = 22, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
2bo$obo$b2o2$6bo$4bobo$5b2o$9bo$10bo10bo$8b3o8b3o$18bo$13bo4b2o$11bobo
$12b2o3$16bobo$17b2o$8b2o7bo$7bobo$7bo8b2o$6b2o7bo2bo$16b2o!


If a catalyst (most likely found with Bellman) could restore the beehive, this would result in a "one-fifth snark". I've tried using Bellman to find one, but with no success, mostly to do with my lack of experience with the search program. Would anyone else more experienced like to have a go?...

Edit: Or alternatively, a "one-third snark":

x = 40, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
26bo$3bo11bo11bo$4b2o7b3o9b3o11bo$3b2o7bo24b3o$12b2o16bo5bo$7bo23bo4b
2o$8b2o19b3o$7b2o2$10bobo22bo$11b2o20bobo$2b2o7bo22b2o$bobo22b2o$bo8bo
14bobo8bo$2o7bobo13bo9bobo$10b2o12b2o9bobo$36bo!
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