It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

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It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

hello to all,

It's not the Gosper glider gun!

double barreled gun (p30)

I come humbly submit my discovery ...
Please before say that this is only more one of my "simple" versions of Gosper Glider Gun, take a good look at all cycles to see the difference of my model.
I left the gun in picture out of phase to make clear the difference, but in fact the cycle begins five generations before.

thanks
Herik

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

It would be much more convenient for others to analyze your discoveries if you posted their RLE. Just copy the pattern in Golly and post whatever there is in the buffer.

But at the first glance it is a Gosper glider gun.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

Thanks for the tip!

Please tell me a definition of what is a Gosper Glider Gun?
Because I believe that although my model is like a GGG, he has different figures in some phases, then - in my opinion - is not a GGG. (At least not in the traditional sense).
Please make an analysis of my gun cycle by cycle, comparing it with a ( dual ) traditional Gosper gun.

thanks,
Herik

`x = 80, y = 20, rule = B3/S234\$62b2o\$61bo3bo\$46bo13bo5bo\$33bo10bobo13bo3bob2o2b2o\$33bobo6b2o16bo5bo3b2o\$16b2o18b2o4b2o17bo3bo\$14bo3bo17b2o4b2o18b2o\$8b2o3bo5bo16b2o6bobo\$8b2o2b2obo3bo13bobo10bo\$13bo5bo13bo\$14bo3bo\$16b2o!`
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

I'd say, that anything, that just produces gliders using solely the following reaction, is a Gosper glider gun.
`x = 17, y = 9, rule = B3/S23obo\$o3bo\$4bo10b2o\$o4bo7bo2bo\$4bo7bo\$o3bo7bo\$obo9bo\$13bo2bo\$15b2o!`

Stabilization doesn't matter.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

okay

I understand now what you meant ...

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

Dear Codeholic,

Thanks for your comments, I learned a few things through your answers and realized how wrong I was in the other posts but ...
I do not agree with your last sentence :

codeholic wrote:Stabilization doesn't matter.

sometimes matter !

in the figure at the center of the first gun, you could tell me if someone has already used it to stabilize two Gosper glider guns before?

Thank you again
Herik

`x = 70, y = 32, rule = B3/S2353b2o\$53b2o4b3o\$36b2o12b2o6b5o\$26b2o6bo3bo10b3o5bo3bobo\$25bo3bo3bo5bo10b2o6bo3b2o\$9b2o13bo5b4obo3bo13b2o\$9b2o13bo3bob4o5bo13b2o\$2o3bo6b2o10bo5bo3bo3bo\$obo3bo5b3o10bo3bo6b2o\$b5o6b2o12b2o\$2b3o4b2o\$9b2o10\$59b2o\$59b2o\$25b2o15b2o12b2o6bo3b2o\$25b2o4b3o6bo3bo10b3o5bo3bobo\$8b2o12b2o6b5o4bo5bo10b2o6b5o\$6bo3bo10b3o5bo3bobo2b2obo3bo13b2o4b3o\$2o3bo5bo10b2o6bo3b2o3bo5bo13b2o\$2o2b2obo3bo13b2o13bo3bo\$5bo5bo13b2o15b2o\$6bo3bo\$8b2o!`

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

hello again everyone ...

I modified the design of my gospel gun again ...
Sorry if I seem to insist on silly things, I am a novice in life and opinion of all of you is importamnte to I try improve my work.

Dual barreled Gosper Glider Gun - definitive version ( i hope )

`x = 64, y = 12, rule = B3/S2353bo\$53bobo\$36b2o18b2o4b2o\$26b2o6bo3bo17b2o4b2o\$25bo3bo3bo5bo16b2o\$10bo13bo5b4obo3bo13bobo\$8bobo13bo3bob4o5bo13bo\$6b2o16bo5bo3bo3bo\$2o4b2o17bo3bo6b2o\$2o4b2o18b2o\$8bobo\$10bo!`

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

Herik Zorneck wrote:Sorry if I seem to insist on silly things, I am a novice in life and opinion of all of you is importamnte to I try improve my work.

Don't worry. Even the most seasoned Lifenthusiasts were novices once, and knowing which areas are new ground, as compared to well-trodden paths, is something that usually comes with experience.

When considering Life patterns, there are usually two different things to consider: form, and function. When looking at things that have little or no function (e.g. still-lifes), form is everything. For things like glider guns, on the other hand, function (e.g. what gliders are emitted and where) is usually more important than form (e.g. just how the shuttles are stabilized). In cases where there are multiple mechanisms involved, these are considered separately.

In the case of your gun, there are basically three mechanisms involved: 1) the glider-producing interaction of two queen bee shuttles (found by Gosper 40+ years ago), 2) the block eating the beehive (also from the same time period), and 3) the two shuttles colliding to avoid dropping beehives.

The glider-producing mechanism is unique for queen bees, as far as I know. I know of two others that produce gliders, one of which almost escapes, and one which doesn't even come close.

`#C P30 almost-gun, and P30 suicidal gunx = 87, y = 9, rule = B3/S2311b2o45bo\$10bobo10b2o32bobo\$9b3o11b2o31bob2o18bo\$2o6b3o15b2o6b2o14b2o3b2ob2o17bobo\$2o7b3o14b3o5b2o14b2o4bob2o16bo3b2o3b2o\$10bobo13b2o29bobo16bo3b2o3b2o\$11b2o10b2o33bo17bo3b2o\$23b2o52bobo\$78bo!`

There are several known ways to eat the end beehives. A block is the smallest, cheapest, and most common way to do so. (The block can be on either side of the axis of symmetry, but for all practical purposes, this usually isn't considered important). An eater or similar still-life is another common way.

There are many ways for two shuttles to hit each other so that they destroy each other's eggs (i.e. beehives) without damaging the shuttles. I don't know if anyone has ever made a definitive list of all the ways they can do this, and I'm not sure if anyone has ever posted your particular interaction before.
Incidentally, this would work equally well if the symmetry was reversed - that is, if the rightmost gun was moved down two lines. You can also get similar (but slightly different) mutual cleanup reactions if you move the rightmost gun up 1 or 2 lines.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

thanks for the information mniemiec!

This is very interesting, you gave me a lot of things to think about.
I'll try to study a little more these reactions to see if in the future I can do something more interesting.

Herik

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

I deplore the poor spelling on Zorneck's part!
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

my apologies ...

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

Freywa wrote:I deplore the poor spelling on Zorneck's part!

I used to be a major spelling and grammar nazi when I was young, but I eventually mostly got over it, after I finally realized that language was a tool to facilitate communication (so its proper usage should be encouraged), but NOT an idol to be worshiped for its own sake. I usually only worry about it when people's spelling and grammar are so poor and disjointed that it's impossible to make any sense of what they wrote.

I also try to give much more leeway to people for whom English may not be a first language. Their good but imperfect English is likely much better than my Russian or German, or whatever THEIR native language is.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

mniemiec wrote:In the case of your gun, there are basically three mechanisms involved: 1) the glider-producing interaction of two queen bee shuttles (found by Gosper 40+ years ago), 2) the block eating the beehive (also from the same time period), and 3) the two shuttles colliding to avoid dropping beehives.

The glider-producing mechanism is unique for queen bees, as far as I know. I know of two others that produce gliders, one of which almost escapes, and one which doesn't even come close.

`#C P30 almost-gun, and P30 suicidal gunx = 87, y = 9, rule = B3/S2311b2o45bo\$10bobo10b2o32bobo\$9b3o11b2o31bob2o18bo\$2o6b3o15b2o6b2o14b2o3b2ob2o17bobo\$2o7b3o14b3o5b2o14b2o4bob2o16bo3b2o3b2o\$10bobo13b2o29bobo16bo3b2o3b2o\$11b2o10b2o33bo17bo3b2o\$23b2o52bobo\$78bo!`

FWIW: the first of these can be made into an actual "non-Gosper gun" by reaching in with a 3rd QB to reflect the glider.
`x = 36, y = 26, rule = B3/S2311b2o\$10bobo10b2o\$9b3o11b2o\$2o6b3o15b2o6b2o\$2o7b3o3bobo8b3o5b2o\$10bobo3b2o8b2o\$11b2o3bo6b2o\$23b2o2\$18bo\$17bobo\$16bo3bo\$17b3o\$15b2o3b2o11\$18b2o\$18b2o!`

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

man ... you have no idea how much i apreciate this pattern !
Thank you very much !

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

This looks like the p30 90° reflection, but here, the shuttle cannot exist without the gun.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

This property of the queen bee is well-known. E. g. see reflectors2.rle in the Golly's pattern collection.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

look that :

`x = 70, y = 142, rule = B3/S2350b2o\$50b2o2\$35b2o\$35b2o2\$50b3o\$50b3o\$49bo3bo2\$48b2o3b2o3\$34b3o\$33bo3bo\$32bo5bo\$32bo5bo\$35bo\$26b2o4bo5bo4b2o\$24bo2bo15bo2bo12b2o\$9bo13bo7bo7bo7bo10bobo\$7b4o12bo6bo4bo4bo6bo9bo6b2o2b2o\$6bobob2o11bo7b2o5b2o7bo9bo2bo2bo2bob2o\$b2o2bo2bob3o11bo2bo15bo2bo10bo6b2o\$b2o3bobob2o14b2o15b2o13bobo\$7b4o48b2o\$9bo9\$49b2o\$49b2o2\$34b2o\$34b2o2\$49b3o\$49b3o\$48bo3bo2\$47b2o3b2o3\$33b3o\$32bo3bo\$31bo5bo\$31bo5bo\$34bo\$25b2o4bo5bo4b2o\$23bo2bo15bo2bo12b2o\$8bo13bo7bo7bo7bo10bobo\$6b4o12bo6bo9bo6bo9bo6b2o2b2o\$5bobob2o11bo7bo7bo7bo9bo2bo2bo2bob2o\$2o2bo2bob3o11bo2bo15bo2bo10bo6b2o\$2o3bobob2o14b2o4bo5bo4b2o13bobo\$6b4o24bo23b2o\$8bo22bo5bo\$31bo5bo\$32bo3bo\$33b3o13\$34b3o\$33bo3bo\$32bo5bo\$32bo5bo22bo\$10b2o23bo24b4o\$10bobo13b2o4bo5bo4b2o14b2obobo3b2o\$5b2o6bo10bo2bo15bo2bo11b3obo2bo2b2o\$b2obo2bo2bo2bo9bo7bo7bo7bo11b2obobo\$b2o2b2o6bo9bo6bo9bo6bo12b4o\$10bobo10bo7bo7bo7bo7bo5bo\$10b2o12bo2bo15bo2bo9bo\$26b2o4bo5bo4b2o9b3o\$35bo\$32bo5bo\$32bo5bo\$33bo3bo\$34b3o3\$16b2o3b2o2\$17bo3bo\$18b3o\$18b3o2\$34b2o\$34b2o2\$19b2o\$19b2o9\$60bo\$9b2o48b4o\$9bobo13b2o15b2o14b2obobo3b2o\$4b2o6bo10bo2bo15bo2bo11b3obo2bo2b2o\$2obo2bo2bo2bo9bo7b2o5b2o7bo11b2obobo\$2o2b2o6bo9bo6bo4bo4bo6bo12b4o\$9bobo10bo7bo7bo7bo13bo\$9b2o12bo2bo15bo2bo\$25b2o4bo5bo4b2o\$34bo\$31bo5bo\$31bo5bo\$32bo3bo\$33b3o3\$15b2o3b2o2\$16bo3bo\$17b3o\$17b3o2\$33b2o\$33b2o2\$18b2o\$18b2o!`

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

codeholic : itt's not the same reaction, as this one needs continuous glider imput to carry on. The stable reflector is based on a spark the "pre beehive gets eaten" reaction creates.
Therefore a memory loop can't be created with this shuttle.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

After toying around with pentadecathlons a bit, here's Non-Gosper Gun #2:
`x = 24, y = 37, rule = B3/S2322bo\$20b3o\$19bo\$19b2o8\$14b2o3b2o2\$15bo3bo\$16b3o\$16b3o3\$bo2b2o4b2o2bo\$o3b3o2b3o3bo\$bo2b2o4b2o2bo2b3o\$17b3o\$16bo3bo\$15bo5bo\$16bo3bo\$17b3o8\$20b2o\$20bo\$21b3o\$23bo!`

Edit: Despite the extra PD, this might actually be simpler to construct using slow salvos than a proper Gosper gun? The QBs do not have to be added simultaneously: it's possible to first build the lower QB, and to leave the PD to clean up the debris while constructing the upper QB.

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

towerator wrote:codeholic : itt's not the same reaction

I didn't claim that it is the same reaction as in the buckaroo. But reflectors2.rle lists that p30 dependent reflector as well.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

Tropylium wrote:After toying around with pentadecathlons a bit, here's Non-Gosper Gun #2:
`x = 24, y = 37, rule = B3/S2322bo\$20b3o\$19bo\$19b2o8\$14b2o3b2o2\$15bo3bo\$16b3o\$16b3o3\$bo2b2o4b2o2bo\$o3b3o2b3o3bo\$bo2b2o4b2o2bo2b3o\$17b3o\$16bo3bo\$15bo5bo\$16bo3bo\$17b3o8\$20b2o\$20bo\$21b3o\$23bo!`

Edit: Despite the extra PD, this might actually be simpler to construct using slow salvos than a proper Gosper gun? The QBs do not have to be added simultaneously: it's possible to first build the lower QB, and to leave the PD to clean up the debris while constructing the upper QB.

I'm shocked with it
it should be obvious to you but, despite this :
Pentagun

`x = 21, y = 65, rule = B3/S2311b2o\$11b2o5\$12bo\$12bo\$11bobo\$10b2ob2o\$9bo5bo\$12bo\$9b2o3b2o3\$14b3o\$14bob2o\$16b2o\$15b2o\$13bobo\$11b2o2bo6\$12b5o\$11bob3obo\$12bo3bo\$13b3o\$14bo2\$2bo4bo\$2ob4ob2o2b4o\$2bo4bo5b4o\$12bo4bo\$15bo\$12bo5bo\$12bo5bo\$13bo3bo\$14b3o14\$14b2o3b2o2\$15bo3bo\$16b3o\$16b3o5\$16b2o\$16b2o!`

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

The GMPG (gosper's modified pentadecathlogn gun) is awesome! And the reaction is brand new!
I wonder if there is more than 1 way to "pentadecathlonize" a 2 shuttles interaction.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

Sure. Next up on increasingly convoluted p30 gun mechanisms, two similar ones that use two QBs to create a block, one PD to convert that into a glider, and and third QB to reroute the glider to safety:
`x = 78, y = 37, rule = B3/S2358b3o\$20b3o34bo3bo\$19bo3bo33bo3bo\$19bo3bo34b3o\$20b3o4\$58b3o\$20b3o34bo3bo\$19bo3bo33bo3bo\$19bo3bo34b3o\$20b3o\$55bo\$17bo9bo19bo6b2o9bo\$9bo6b2o7bobo17bobo6bobo6bobo\$7bobo6bobo5bobo17bobo15bobo\$6bobo14bo2bo11b2o3bo2bo14bo2bo\$5bo2bo15bobo11b2o4bobo15bobo\$6bobo12bo3bobo17bobo10bo4bobo8b2o\$2b2o3bobo10bobo4bo19bo9b3o5bo8bobo\$bobo5bo9bo3bo32bo3bo15bo\$bo17b5o31bob3obo14b2o\$2o16b2o3b2o31b5o\$19b5o\$20b3o\$21bo6\$60b2o\$23b2o35bo\$23bo37b3o\$24b3o36bo\$26bo!`

There are two reactions that allow turning p15×N block factories into guns using a pentadecathlon (the reaction on the left works on any block or preblock as long as it is created after the PD's first end spark; the 2nd specifically requires a block grandparent):
`x = 19, y = 17, rule = B3/S232bobo2\$4bobo2\$6bobo2\$8bobo\$9b2o5\$4bo2b2o4b2o2bo\$o2bo3b3o2b3o3bo\$bo2bo2b2o4b2o2bo\$bo\$o!`

So if you can find a reaction in which two queen bees make a block, there's a decent probability it can be made into a gun.

I'd expect that there are also some direct 3-way reactions that can be made into guns.

(But the real \$1000 question: is there a way to make a p30 LWSS (or MW or HW) gun in this fashion, i.e. without relying on reacting glider guns' output?)

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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

To make a p30 *WSS gun we would need to find a small predescessor of the *WSS that would be able to escape the surrounding QB's and PD's, etc.

I just got very close to a P30 LWSS gun by colliding 4 QB's:
`x = 39, y = 43, rule = B3/S2319b2o\$19b2o2\$19bo\$18bobo\$18bobo\$19bo3\$16b2obob2o\$16bo5bo\$17bo3bo\$18b3o8\$26bo\$10bobo11bobo\$10bo3bo8bobo\$14bo7bo2bo11b2o\$2o8bo4bo7bobo11b2o\$2o12bo5bo3bobo\$10bo3bo4bobo4bo\$10bobo5bo3bo\$18b5o\$17b2o3b2o\$18b5o\$19b3o\$20bo7\$22b2o\$22bo\$23b3o\$25bo!`

The LWSS is too deeply embedded in the mess, however. The LWSS does not interact with the left QB in any way if you delete the mess that destroys it.
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Re: It´s not a Gosper Glider Gun !

I found a way to pass a bee shuttle through 2 pentadecathlons.
it does nothing, is just a theoretical exercise. but I'm wondering if existing other ways for connect the cycle of bee shuttle with some oscillator with cycle occurs in the axis perpendicular in relation to bee shuttles cycle, to do something useful.

`x = 158, y = 104, rule = B3/S2372bo\$72bo2\$72bo\$71bobo2\$71b3o3\$71b3o2\$71bobo\$72bo2\$72bo\$66bo5bo3bo36bo9bo\$65b2o6b5o34b2o7b4o\$64b2o4b4obob2o32b2o4b4obob2o\$54b2o7b3o4b2o3bob3o8b2o11b2o7b3o4b2o3bob3o8b2o\$54b2o8b2o4b4obob2o9b2o11b2o8b2o4b4obob2o9b2o\$65b2o6b5o34b2o7b4o\$66bo5bo3bo36bo9bo\$72bo2\$72bo\$71bobo2\$71b3o3\$71b3o2\$71bobo\$72bo2\$72bo\$72bo2\$123b2o\$32b2o6b2o81b2o\$32b2o6b2o3\$32b3o5b3o\$32b3o5b3o3\$124bo\$30b2o3b2ob2o3b2o78b3o\$31b5o3b5o78b5o\$32b3o5b3o78b2o3b2o\$33bo7bo\$109bo29bo\$18bo37bo52bo29bo\$18bo37bo66b3o\$109bo13b3o13bo\$18bo37bo51bobo12bobo12bobo\$17bobo35bobo65bobo\$108b3o11bo3bo11b3o\$17b3o35b3o64b5o\$121b2o3b2o\$108b3o11b5o11b3o\$17b3o35b3o65b3o\$33bo7bo66bobo13bo13bobo\$17bobo12b3o5b3o12bobo51bo29bo\$18bo12b5o3b5o12bo\$30b2o3b2ob2o3b2o64bo29bo\$18bo12b5o3b5o12bo46bo5bo3bo21bo3bo5bo\$9bo8bo8bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo8bo8bo36b2o6b5o19b5o6b2o\$9b2o15b4ob2obo5bob2ob4o15b2o35b2o4b4obob2o17b2obob4o4b2o8b2o\$4b2o4b2o13b2obob2obo7bob2obob2o13b2o4b2o2b2o16b2o7b3o4b2o3bob3o15b3obo3b2o4b3o7b2o\$2o2b2o4b3o11b3obo2bo11bo2bob3o11b3o4b2o2b2o16b2o8b2o4b4obob2o17b2obob4o4b2o\$2o2b2o4b2o13b2obob2obo7bob2obob2o13b2o4b2o31b2o6b5o19b5o6b2o\$9b2o15b4ob2obo5bob2ob4o15b2o37bo5bo3bo21bo3bo5bo\$9bo8bo8bo3bo3bo3bo3bo3bo8bo8bo43bo29bo\$18bo12b5o3b5o12bo\$30b2o3b2ob2o3b2o64bo29bo\$18bo12b5o3b5o12bo51bobo13bo13bobo\$17bobo12b3o5b3o12bobo65b3o\$33bo7bo66b3o11b5o11b3o\$17b3o35b3o63b2o3b2o\$122b5o\$108b3o11bo3bo11b3o\$17b3o35b3o65bobo\$108bobo12bobo12bobo\$17bobo35bobo51bo13b3o13bo\$18bo37bo66b3o\$109bo29bo\$18bo37bo52bo29bo\$18bo37bo\$121b2o3b2o\$33bo7bo80b5o\$32b3o5b3o80b3o\$31b5o3b5o80bo\$30b2o3b2ob2o3b2o4\$32b3o5b3o\$32b3o5b3o2\$124b2o\$33b2o6b2o81b2o\$33b2o6b2o!`

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some "Pentaguns Machines " designs

a pure non Gosper Pentagun Machine

`x = 65, y = 31, rule = B3/S2316b3o\$15bo3bo\$15bo3bo\$16b3o5\$16b3o\$15bo3bo\$15bo3bo\$16b3o33b2o\$24b2o13b2o11b3o\$11b2o11bobo11bobo13b2obo\$10b3o12b3o9b3o14bo2bo5b2o\$2o5bob2o15b3o7b3o15b2obo5b2o\$2o5bo2bo14b3o9b3o12b3o\$7bob2o13bobo11bobo11b2o\$10b3o11b2o13b2o\$11b2o33b3o\$45bo3bo\$45bo3bo\$46b3o5\$46b3o\$45bo3bo\$45bo3bo\$46b3o!`

`x = 28, y = 67, rule = B3/S2320b2o\$20b2o5\$21bo\$21bo\$20bobo\$19b2ob2o\$18bo5bo\$21bo\$18b2o3b2o3\$23b3o\$3b2o18bob2o\$3b2o20b2o\$24b2o\$22bobo\$20b2o2bo6\$2b3o16b5o\$bo3bo14bob3obo\$o5bo14bo3bo\$o5bo15b3o\$3bo19bo\$bo4bo\$2b4o5bo4bo\$3b4o2b2ob4ob2o2b4o\$11bo4bo5b4o\$21bo4bo\$4bo19bo\$3b3o15bo5bo\$2bo3bo14bo5bo\$bob3obo14bo3bo\$2b5o16b3o6\$3bo2b2o\$3bobo\$2b2o\$b2o20b2o\$b2obo18b2o\$2b3o3\$3b2o3b2o\$6bo\$3bo5bo\$4b2ob2o\$5bobo\$6bo\$6bo5\$6b2o\$6b2o!`

look this model : it works !

`x = 32, y = 67, rule = B3/S2323b2o\$23b2o\$2b2o\$2b2o3\$23bo\$23bo\$2b3o17bobo\$2b3o16b2ob2o\$bo3bo14bo5bo\$23bo\$2o3b2o13b2o3b2o3\$25b3o\$25bob2o\$27b2o\$26b2o\$24bobo\$22b2o2bo6\$4b3o16b5o\$3bo3bo14bob3obo\$2bo5bo14bo3bo\$2bo5bo15b3o\$5bo19bo\$3bo4bo\$4b4o5bo4bo\$5b4o2b2ob4ob2o2b4o\$13bo4bo5b4o\$23bo4bo\$6bo19bo\$5b3o15bo5bo\$4bo3bo14bo5bo\$3bob3obo14bo3bo\$4b5o16b3o6\$5bo2b2o\$5bobo\$4b2o\$3b2o\$3b2obo\$4b3o3\$5b2o3b2o13b2o3b2o\$8bo\$5bo5bo14bo3bo\$6b2ob2o16b3o\$7bobo17b3o\$8bo\$8bo3\$28b2o\$28b2o\$7b2o\$7b2o!`

this stabilization works too, but I think this is less usable than others

`x = 30, y = 37, rule = B3/S2326b2o\$4b2o20b2o\$4b2o9\$3b3o19b3o\$2bo3bo17bo3bo\$bo5bo15bo5bo\$bo5bo16bo3bo\$4bo20b3o\$2bo4bo17b3o\$3b4o5bo4bo\$4b4o2b2ob4ob2o2b4o\$12bo4bo5b4o\$2b3o17bo4bo\$2b3o20bo\$bo3bo16bo5bo\$o5bo15bo5bo\$bo3bo17bo3bo\$2b3o19b3o9\$24b2o\$2b2o20b2o\$2b2o!`
Last edited by Herik Zorneck on September 29th, 2013, 9:39 pm, edited 8 times in total.

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