## Half-bakery reaction with glider

For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.

### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

I found this pattern. It puts a smile on my face even though it may not be particularly practical!

`x = 1025, y = 1023, rule = B3/S23616bo\$616bobo\$616b2o222\$969bo\$969bobo\$969b2o12\$947bobo\$947b2o\$948bo10\$976bo\$974b2o\$975b2o12\$953bo\$953bobo\$953b2o37bo\$990b2o\$991b2o12\$969bo\$969bobo\$969b2o37bo\$1006b2o\$1007b2o12\$985bo\$985bobo\$985b2o37bo\$1022b2o\$1023b2o12\$1001bo\$1001bobo\$1001b2o102\$201b2o\$200bo2bo\$200bobo\$198b2obo\$197bo2bo\$197bobo\$198bo18\$179b2o\$178bo2bo\$178bobo\$176b2obo\$175bo2bo\$175bobo\$176bo32\$143b2o\$142bo2bo\$142bobo\$140b2obo\$139bo2bo\$139bobo\$140bo6\$133b2o\$132bo2bo\$132bobo\$130b2obo\$129bo2bo\$129bobo\$130bo7\$122b2o\$121bo2bo\$121bobo\$119b2obo\$118bo2bo\$118bobo\$119bo6\$112b2o\$111bo2bo\$111bobo\$109b2obo\$108bo2bo\$108bobo\$109bo6\$102b2o\$101bo2bo\$101bobo\$99b2obo\$98bo2bo\$98bobo\$99bo6\$92b2o\$91bo2bo\$91bobo\$89b2obo\$88bo2bo\$88bobo\$89bo6\$82b2o\$81bo2bo\$81bobo\$79b2obo\$78bo2bo\$78bobo\$79bo6\$72b2o\$71bo2bo\$71bobo\$69b2obo\$68bo2bo\$68bobo\$69bo42\$26b2o\$25bo2bo\$25bobo\$23b2obo\$22bo2bo\$22bobo\$23bo18\$4b2o\$3bo2bo\$3bobo\$b2obo\$o2bo\$obo\$bo50\$503b2o\$502bo2bo\$502bobo\$500b2obo\$499bo2bo\$499bobo\$500bo2\$487b2o\$486bo2bo\$486bobo\$484b2obo\$483bo2bo\$483bobo\$484bo2\$519b2o\$518bo2bo\$518bobo\$516b2obo\$515bo2bo\$515bobo\$516bo2\$481b2o20b2o\$480bo2bo18bo2bo\$480bobo19bobo\$478b2obo18b2obo\$477bo2bo18bo2bo\$477bobo19bobo\$478bo21bo2\$465b2o68b2o\$464bo2bo66bo2bo\$464bobo67bobo\$462b2obo66b2obo\$461bo2bo66bo2bo\$461bobo67bobo\$462bo69bo2\$497b2o20b2o\$496bo2bo18bo2bo\$496bobo19bobo\$494b2obo18b2obo\$493bo2bo18bo2bo\$493bobo19bobo\$494bo21bo2\$481b2o68b2o\$480bo2bo66bo2bo\$480bobo67bobo\$478b2obo66b2obo\$477bo2bo66bo2bo\$477bobo67bobo\$478bo69bo2\$513b2o20b2o\$512bo2bo18bo2bo\$512bobo19bobo\$510b2obo18b2obo\$509bo2bo18bo2bo100bo\$509bobo19bobo100bo\$510bo21bo101b3o2\$497b2o68b2o\$496bo2bo66bo2bo\$496bobo67bobo\$494b2obo66b2obo\$493bo2bo66bo2bo\$493bobo67bobo\$494bo69bo2\$529b2o20b2o\$528bo2bo18bo2bo\$528bobo19bobo61bo\$526b2obo18b2obo60b2o\$525bo2bo18bo2bo62b2o\$525bobo19bobo\$526bo21bo2\$513b2o\$512bo2bo\$512bobo\$510b2obo\$509bo2bo\$509bobo\$510bo2\$545b2o\$544bo2bo\$544bobo\$542b2obo\$541bo2bo\$541bobo\$542bo2\$529b2o\$528bo2bo\$528bobo67b2o\$526b2obo67bo2bo\$525bo2bo68bobo\$525bobo67b2obo\$526bo67bo2bo\$594bobo\$595bo2\$582b2o\$581bo2bo\$581bobo\$579b2obo\$578bo2bo\$578bobo\$579bo10\$576b2o\$575bo2bo\$575bobo\$573b2obo\$572bo2bo\$572bobo\$573bo2\$560b2o\$559bo2bo\$559bobo\$557b2obo\$556bo2bo\$556bobo\$557bo9\$555b2o\$554bo2bo\$554bobo\$552b2obo\$551bo2bo\$551bobo\$552bo6\$545b2o\$544bo2bo\$544bobo\$542b2obo\$541bo2bo\$541bobo\$542bo7\$534b2o\$533bo2bo\$533bobo\$531b2obo\$530bo2bo\$530bobo\$531bo6\$524b2o\$523bo2bo\$523bobo\$521b2obo\$520bo2bo\$320b2o198bobo\$319bo2bo198bo\$319bobo\$317b2obo\$316bo2bo\$316bobo\$317bo181b2o\$498bo2bo12b2o\$304b2o192bobo12bo2bo\$303bo2bo189b2obo13bobo\$303bobo189bo2bo12b2obo\$301b2obo190bobo12bo2bo\$300bo2bo192bo13bobo\$300bobo208bo\$301bo2\$336b2o\$335bo2bo\$335bobo151b2o\$333b2obo151bo2bo12b2o\$332bo2bo152bobo12bo2bo\$332bobo151b2obo13bobo\$333bo151bo2bo12b2obo\$485bobo12bo2bo\$298b2o20b2o164bo13bobo\$297bo2bo18bo2bo178bo\$297bobo19bobo\$295b2obo18b2obo\$294bo2bo18bo2bo\$294bobo19bobo\$295bo21bo\$478b2o14b2o\$282b2o68b2o123bo2bo12bo2bo\$281bo2bo66bo2bo122bobo13bobo\$281bobo67bobo121b2obo12b2obo\$279b2obo66b2obo121bo2bo12bo2bo\$278bo2bo66bo2bo122bobo13bobo\$278bobo67bobo124bo15bo\$279bo69bo2\$314b2o20b2o\$313bo2bo18bo2bo\$313bobo19bobo\$311b2obo18b2obo131b2o14b2o\$310bo2bo18bo2bo131bo2bo12bo2bo\$310bobo19bobo132bobo13bobo\$311bo21bo131b2obo12b2obo\$464bo2bo12bo2bo\$298b2o68b2o94bobo13bobo\$297bo2bo66bo2bo94bo15bo\$297bobo67bobo\$295b2obo66b2obo\$294bo2bo66bo2bo\$294bobo67bobo\$295bo69bo\$458b2o\$330b2o20b2o103bo2bo\$329bo2bo18bo2bo102bobo\$329bobo19bobo101b2obo\$327b2obo18b2obo101bo2bo\$326bo2bo18bo2bo102bobo\$326bobo19bobo104bo\$327bo21bo2\$314b2o68b2o\$313bo2bo66bo2bo\$313bobo67bobo\$311b2obo66b2obo63b2o\$310bo2bo66bo2bo63bo2bo\$310bobo67bobo64bobo\$311bo69bo63b2obo\$444bo2bo\$346b2o20b2o74bobo\$345bo2bo18bo2bo74bo\$345bobo19bobo\$343b2obo18b2obo\$342bo2bo18bo2bo\$342bobo19bobo\$343bo21bo\$438b2o\$330b2o105bo2bo\$329bo2bo104bobo\$329bobo103b2obo\$327b2obo103bo2bo\$326bo2bo104bobo\$326bobo106bo\$327bo2\$362b2o\$361bo2bo\$361bobo\$359b2obo65b2o\$358bo2bo65bo2bo\$358bobo66bobo\$359bo65b2obo\$424bo2bo\$346b2o76bobo\$345bo2bo76bo\$345bobo\$343b2obo\$342bo2bo\$342bobo\$343bo4\$423b2o\$422bo2bo\$422bobo\$420b2obo\$419bo2bo\$419bobo\$420bo2\$407b2o\$406bo2bo\$406bobo\$404b2obo\$403bo2bo\$403bobo\$404bo10\$401b2o\$400bo2bo\$400bobo\$398b2obo\$397bo2bo\$397bobo\$398bo2\$385b2o\$384bo2bo\$384bobo\$382b2obo\$381bo2bo\$381bobo\$382bo!`
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

Anti-color edge-shooting 180-degree reflector:
`x = 162, y = 207, rule = B3/S23153bo\$152bobo\$152bobo\$153bo2\$148b2o7b2o\$147bo2bo5bo2bo\$148b2o7b2o2\$153bo\$152bobo\$152bobo\$153bo12\$137bo\$137b2o\$136bobo23\$120bo\$120b2o\$119bobo7\$159b2o\$158bo2bo\$158bobo\$156b2obo\$155bo2bo\$155bobo\$156bo6\$149b2o\$148bo2bo\$148bobo\$146b2obo\$77bo67bo2bo\$77b2o66bobo\$76bobo67bo6\$139b2o\$138bo2bo\$138bobo\$136b2obo\$135bo2bo\$135bobo\$136bo6\$129b2o\$128bo2bo\$128bobo\$126b2obo\$125bo2bo\$60bo64bobo\$60b2o64bo\$59bobo5\$119b2o\$118bo2bo\$118bobo\$116b2obo\$115bo2bo\$115bobo\$116bo6\$109b2o\$108bo2bo\$108bobo\$106b2obo\$105bo2bo\$105bobo\$47bo58bo\$47b2o\$46bobo5\$100bo2\$98bo2\$96bo55\$13b3o\$15bo\$14bo12\$bo\$b2o\$obo!`

By the way, edge-shooting glider reflectors appeared to be not as common as I thought. So a "sample" reflector from a previous post becomes "the" same-color reflector.
Ivan Fomichev

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:Another problem is re-creating a working suppression mechanism for this configuration. The lone A1 glider can be shot down cleanly, but I haven't found a way to create (-3,-6) repeatable junk yet to kill off the C glider pair. So far I've only looked at A1, though, so there might be a clean suppression line that starts at B or A2 -- lots of possibilities left to try.

Well, it's doable, though it seems a bit awkward:

`x = 1649, y = 2386, rule = 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The south corner might need a little adjustment if the knightship turns out to have an odd period -- adjacent blinkers in the suppression line will have opposite phases in that case.

I checked to make sure my old Rake#1 and Rake#2 couldn't be adjusted to put A2 in the far southeast. Pretty sure they both have irredeemable half-bakery conflicts. I don't know of any other A:BCD recipes, though there may be a few.

I'm somewhat inclined to stick to a seven-synchronized glider system -- and preferably a system that we already have a complete suppression mechanism for -- unless it's really clear that some A1:BCDA2 setup will actually shorten the knightship by at least, say, a factor of two...!

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:I'm somewhat inclined to stick to a seven-synchronized glider system -- and preferably a system that we already have a complete suppression mechanism for -- unless it's really clear that some A1:BCDA2 setup will actually shorten the knightship by at least, say, a factor of two...!

Nice work with the last pattern. I'm inclined to agree with you on the last paragraph. Things seemed much cosier with the plain ABC setup.

I've been investigating how the 180 degree turner method works with respect to getting correct timing of the SW gliders. Unfortunately it seems that quite a bit of freedom is lost. Basically, through one entire pass, any method of getting a SW glider on a particular lane will result in gliders that are all offset from each other by some multiple of 8 cycles. The trick with adding in extra HB's to create an odd delay is cancelled out by the odd delay between gliders heading NE. Only after the next reset does the timing change by an odd number. This means that you might have to wait for 7 whole resets before producing a SW glider with the correct timing modulo 8.

Hopefully this pattern explains things better (take the pairs of boats to be an inseparable 180 degree turner). The first two SW gliders are on the same lane but have the same timing modulo 8. Only after reset does the timing change.

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Possible solutions are:
1. Ignore the problem and swallow the extra resets.
2. Find some more 180 degree turners with different timing (not likely according to codeholic).
3. Use two 90 degree turners instead of one 180 degree turner (both turners being constructed from NE monochromatic salvos).
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

chris_c wrote:2. Find some more 180 degree turners with different timing (not likely according to codeholic).

Well, I didn't say that they are unique, I just said they're quite rare, especially good and cheap ones. For instance, here is another anti-color turner:
`x = 168, y = 177, rule = B3/S23161bo\$160bobo\$160bobo\$161bo2\$156b2o7b2o\$155bo2bo5bo2bo\$156b2o7b2o2\$161bo\$160bobo\$160bobo\$161bo12\$133bo\$133b2o\$132bobo23\$116bo\$116b2o\$115bobo2\$130b2o\$129bo2bo\$129bobo\$127b2obo\$126bo2bo\$126bobo\$127bo6\$120b2o\$119bo2bo\$119bobo\$117b2obo\$116bo2bo\$116bobo\$117bo3\$91b2o\$90bobo\$92bo\$110b2o\$109bo2bo\$109bobo\$107b2obo\$106bo2bo\$106bobo\$107bo6\$100b2o\$99bo2bo\$99bobo\$97b2obo\$96bo2bo\$96bobo\$97bo4\$56b2o\$55bobo\$57bo32b2o\$89bo2bo\$89bobo\$87b2obo\$86bo2bo\$86bobo\$87bo6\$80b2o\$79bo2bo\$79bobo\$77b2obo\$76bo2bo\$76bobo\$77bo5\$37bo\$37b2o\$36bobo32bo2\$69bo2\$67bo19\$16bo\$16b2o\$15bobo23\$b2o\$obo\$2bo!`

Here is the full unassorted list of all potential 180-degree turners that were detected by the search script so far (it's still running): https://www.dropbox.com/s/73ytcyivm7207dd/turners.tgz
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

codeholic wrote:Here is the full unassorted list of all potential 180-degree turners that were detected by the search script so far (it's still running): https://www.dropbox.com/s/73ytcyivm7207dd/turners.tgz

The fifth one looks like another nice sample of what you're calling a same-color edge-shooter:

`#C recipe from temp5.rle -- #C five gliders (and only one reset) from a honeyfarmx = 49, y = 61, rule = LifeHistory39.DC\$38.DCDC\$39.C.C\$40.C2\$35.2C7.2C\$34.C2.C5.C2.C\$35.2C3.D3.2C\$40.D\$40.C\$39.C.C\$39.C.C\$40.C7\$29.A\$29.2A15.D\$28.A.A15.D.D\$46.2D5\$11.A\$11.2A\$10.A.A8\$5.A\$5.2A\$4.A.A8\$3.A\$3.2A\$2.A.A9\$3A\$2.A\$.A!`

It's same-color in the sense that gliders return on lanes that are offset from the recipe lanes by an even number of cells. Unfortunately, just to make things extra confusing, gliders traveling in opposite directions on the same lane have different colors.

To see this, just try reflecting a random glider onto a perpendicular lane using a color-preserving reflector (like a Snark). Only one of the two reflection directions, left or right, will line up the output glider with the target lane.

We can certainly stick with the lane-based "same" and "anti" descriptions, but it's worth thinking about switching the terminology to match the glider color...?

I'm not clear yet on how best to assign a delay rating to a 180-degree reflector. Since they can be adjusted +/-8N by moving them diagonally, presumably it will be good enough to calculate a phase change (0 to 7) plus a "same" or "anti" rating.

But which phase is 0? Maybe we should pick a "standard" reaction, such as a glider kickback (which preserves color), call that zero, and measure other reflectors relative to that. Color-changing reflectors could be zeroed to some other standard reaction -- the 180-degree longboat reflection, maybe?

`x = 24, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory20.2C\$4.C.C13.C.C\$5.2C14.C.C\$5.C16.C3\$3C17.3C\$2.C19.C\$.C19.C!`

Probably it makes more sense to call the longboat reflection a "1", so that return gliders will have the same phase.

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:The fifth one looks like another nice sample of what you're calling a same-color edge-shooter:

I did not post this one because it is essentially the same recipe as I had already posted, but it started directly with the traffic light (without two first gliders). The boat doesn't take part in the synthesis.
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:It's same-color in the sense that gliders return on lanes that are offset from the recipe lanes by an even number of cells. Unfortunately, just to make things extra confusing, gliders traveling in opposite directions on the same lane have different colors.

Oh, I didn't realize that
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

Extrementhusiast wrote:Not sure how useful this is, but it does create a half-bakery, two blocks, and two orthogonal gliders: {two synchronized gliders hitting a blinker}

EDIT: Or do you mean something more like this? {three synchronized gliders and two slow gliders producing a 90-degree output}

Neither of these is quite what is needed. The HBK construction system can basically only send one glider at a time, and all gliders will have to be the same color but can be in different phases. Technically we could build either of these salvos, but we'd have to incrementally build up a "seed" for the synchronized gliders using a long slow salvo, and then trigger it to produce the final salvo.

There are pure slow-salvo ways to do similar things (from codeholic's searches) so we'll probably just stick with those.

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

chris_c wrote:1. Ignore the problem and swallow the extra resets.

On the other hand, it might be not such a big deal, because you can do other stuff with these resets in the meantime, like restoring those seeds, that have already fired, at (-3,-6) or building the seed for NW salvo with slow elbow. Or am I missing something?
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

codeholic wrote:On the other hand, it might be not such a big deal, because you can do other stuff with these resets in the meantime, like restoring those seeds, that have already fired, at (-3,-6) or building the seed for NW salvo with slow elbow. Or am I missing something?

Yes, hopefully you are right that there is other useful stuff to be done. It just makes things that little bit more complicated to organise. Anyway, the problem may only be half as bad as I suggested. I was thinking that all glider lanes are fixed... but it's not the case... there is the freedom to change the distances between the salvos. Moving two rakes one step further apart and adding in an extra pair of HB's causes a delay of 47 cycles as shown in this example:

`x = 226, y = 115, rule = B3/S2382bobo120bobo\$82b2o121b2o\$83bo122bo11\$61bo122bo\$60bo122bo\$60b3o120b3o39\$100bobo120bobo\$100b2o121b2o\$101bo122bo7\$20b2o121b2o\$19bo2bo119bo2bo\$19bobo120bobo\$17b2obo119b2obo\$16bo2bo59bo59bo2bo59bo\$16bobo59bo60bobo59bo\$17bo60b3o59bo60b3o2\$4b2o121b2o\$3bo2bo119bo2bo\$3bobo120bobo\$b2obo119b2obo76b2o\$o2bo119bo2bo76bo2bo\$obo120bobo77bobo\$bo122bo76b2obo\$200bo2bo\$200bobo\$201bo3\$187b2o\$186bo2bo\$186bobo\$184b2obo\$183bo2bo\$183bobo\$184bo10\$56b2o\$55bo2bo121b2o\$55bobo121bo2bo\$53b2obo122bobo\$52bo2bo121b2obo\$52bobo121bo2bo\$53bo122bobo\$177bo\$40b2o\$39bo2bo121b2o\$39bobo121bo2bo\$37b2obo122bobo\$36bo2bo121b2obo\$36bobo121bo2bo\$37bo122bobo\$161bo!`

So the problem only really applies to one glider from each pair.
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

chris_c wrote:Hopefully this pattern explains things better (take the pairs of boats to be an inseparable 180 degree turner). The first two SW gliders are on the same lane but have the same timing modulo 8. Only after reset does the timing change.

I was thinking that the plan would generally be to hit the 180-turners with gliders from different resets, anyway -- but reversing the order from what's in the above sample pattern:

`#C revised chris_c sample pattern --#C earlier HBK trigger gliders hit 180-turners farther to the NEx = 3434, y = 3522, rule = 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Here again, replace the two boats with the appropriate 180-turner -- in this sample only one of the three gliders is on the right color lane, never mind the timing mod 8...! The unwanted outputs are blocked off, so just ignore the white blocks.

Short summary: Macro timing can be corrected by moving the 180-degree turner farther northeast. Micro timing ( mod 8 ) can be adjusted by using different 180-degree turners, and/or by taking gliders from different resets.

Terminology note: instead of "gliders from different resets", how about we say "gliders from different scans"? HBK glider scans are bounded by resets. There are 39 gliders in a standard scan, but we can make a scan wider by resetting early or late, as long as the first glider that's actually fired in the next scan is no more than 38fd northwest of the last-fired glider in the current scan.

One way to get different timings for 180-turners would be to hunt for cheap "retimers" -- seed constellations whose output is a 0-degree glider. Sixteen of those plus a single 180-turner would make a complete toolkit.

For example, you could use the spare block in temp5.rle to build the correct retimer in front of the 180-turner. It would be inefficient to set that up manually, of course. Seems like the best bet is to just keep searching until sixteen different 180-turners show up -- same0..same7 and anti0..anti7. They're out there somewhere...!

dvgrn
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:One way to get different timings for 180-turners would be to hunt for cheap "retimers" -- seed constellations whose output is a 0-degree glider. Sixteen of those plus a single 180-turner would make a complete toolkit.

If we want the peace of mind given by having a complete toolkit then it can be provided by just three patterns:

1. Monochromatic 90 degree turner NE->SE.
2. Edge-shooting monochromatic 90 degree turner SE->SW. Input compatible with the output #1.
3. Same as #2 but output of the opposite color.

Changing the distance between between the two turners by one square requires one extra HB and so changes the timing by an odd number.

Having 16 different 180 degree turners would possibly be more efficient but could be difficult to find in the first place.
chris_c

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

chris_c wrote:If we want the peace of mind given by having a complete toolkit then it can be provided by just three patterns:

1. Monochromatic 90 degree turner NE->SE.
2. Edge-shooting monochromatic 90 degree turner SE->SW. Input compatible with the output #1.
3. Same as #2 but output of the opposite color.

Alternatively (I think):

1. Monochromatic 90-turner NE->SE.
2. Same as #1 but output of opposite color.
3. Edge-shooting 90-turner SE->SW.

That removes the monochromaticity requirement for the SE->SW turner, which should make it cheaper to build.

However, it seems fairly clear that it's going to end up being simpler to use 180-turners wherever possible. It looks to me as if rebuilding just one superslow elbow on the NW side might take a longer chunk of knightship body than synchronizing six 180-turned gliders on the SE side. Maybe it's time for a fresh set of wildly inaccurate estimates...!

chris_c wrote:Having 16 different 180 degree turners would possibly be more efficient but could be difficult to find in the first place.

Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed until codeholic's search run is complete -- and then if enough 180-turner variety hasn't turned up, it might still be worth optimizing the search and looking a little deeper.

It's possible to build a full toolkit of sixteen 180-turners with known technology. You could string together different pairs of Blockic 90-turners, for example, to make 0-degree retimer constellations with all possible color and mod-8 timing adjustments. But those would be painfully inefficient to construct -- better to dig up something a little more natural.

A probably workable idea would be to adjust the search script to report almost-edge-shooters as well as the perfectly clean kind. I bet that a lot more 180-turners would show up if it was allowable to leave one or two pieces of junk to the right of the shooting range.

Then we'd just have to build one or two more 90-degree gliders to shoot down the junk. In some cases this could probably be done at very little additional cost, while we were reshaping the ash anyway to get back to the correct (-3,-6) target object. If the junk is something like a single block, there are half a dozen different glider lanes that will shoot it down.

-- Yes, it's another tricky search problem... but maybe not totally impractical (?)

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:A probably workable idea would be to adjust the search script to report almost-edge-shooters as well as the perfectly clean kind. I bet that a lot more 180-turners would show up if it was allowable to leave one or two pieces of junk to the right of the shooting range.

Then we'd just have to build one or two more 90-degree gliders to shoot down the junk.

Then you could just build two 90-degree turners with the same amount of effort in the first place, or?
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

codeholic wrote:
dvgrn wrote:A probably workable idea would be to adjust the search script to report almost-edge-shooters as well as the perfectly clean kind. I bet that a lot more 180-turners would show up if it was allowable to leave one or two pieces of junk to the right of the shooting range.

Then we'd just have to build one or two more 90-degree gliders to shoot down the junk.

Then you could just build two 90-degree turners with the same amount of effort in the first place, or?

I don't think so. The second 90-degree turner would be a superslow turner, not in the shooting range, which would have to get its target restored to (-3,-6) -- expensive!

Just making a dirty 90-degree output somewhere in the shooting range, on the way to restoring a 180-turner's target at (-3,-6), seems as if it should be much cheaper.

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:I don't think so. The second 90-degree turner would be a superslow turner, not in the shooting range, which would have to get its target restored to (-3,-6) -- expensive!

I mean that the SE-SW turner should be edge-shooting. Then you can still build it directly by NE salvo. I haven't done a search for 90-degree edge-shooting turners yet, though. But I'd need to adapt the script anyway.
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

codeholic wrote:I mean that the SE-SW turner should be edge-shooting. Then you can still build it directly by NE salvo.

Oh, of course. Yes, then it's probably only somewhat more expensive, on average, to build two 90-turners than to build an "almost edge-shooting" 180-turner that leaves let's say one block past the edge of the shooting range. The nice thing about an almost edge-shooter would be that there are so many lanes available to shoot down a block, and it can be done any time it's convenient during the conversion of the ash to the new target.

So an almost-edge-shooter 180-turner will cost one turner recipe plus maybe two or three gliders to get a convenient extra 90-degree output -- whereas two 90-turners will cost two full turner recipes. Turners so far seem like they'll come out to maybe 8-12 gliders, including rebuilding a (-3,-6) target (?) So we could save half a dozen gliders.

But... argh! I shouldn't be measuring in gliders! The two 90-degree turners can be built with two parallel recipes, so the cost will be just one turner recipe. That might come out to... what, five to seven resets, maybe? Getting the target to move leftward and away to (-3,-6) will be the hard part, I would think.

The thing to conserve will be the width of the monochromatic recipe -- the more parallel recipes we can fit into a single 39fd (or more or less) shooting range, the faster the whole construction will get done. Maybe to do seven parallel recipes, it will be worth setting up a double-width shooting range, about 80fd. Or maybe we can get away with a 40fd range that wanders back and forth a little. We can figure all that out once we know what recipes we need to build.

Anyway, I guess it still looks to me as if almost-edge-shooters might be competitive, if they exist -- they'll likely be a little narrower than recipes for two separate 90-turners.

I wonder if it will make sense to point multiple elbows at the superslow elbow in the NW, to get that work done faster? Maybe when a 180-turner's construction is done, its glider lanes could start being used to increase the speed of the NW construction. All that's necessary is to leave an extra target just beyond the edge of the 180-turner's range, lined up with the NW superslow elbow.

codeholic wrote:I haven't done a search for 90-degree edge-shooting turners yet, though. But I'd need to adapt the script anyway.

To my knowledge nobody has ever attempted to collect cheap recipes, either mono- or polychromatic ones, for 90-degree turners where the input comes from a different direction than the construction salvo (as in the case of this proposed SE->SW turner.)

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

dvgrn wrote:To my knowledge nobody has ever attempted to collect cheap recipes, either mono- or polychromatic ones, for 90-degree turners where the input comes from a different direction than the construction salvo (as in the case of this proposed SE->SW turner.)

I've been having a go. It doesn't seem that easy to find edge shooters but here are some candidates.

`x = 306, y = 262, rule = B3/S232bo\$obo\$b2o14\$139bo\$137bobo\$138b2o4\$254bo\$255bo\$253b3o25\$65bo\$64bobo\$64bobo\$65bo2\$60b2o7b2o\$59bo2bo5bo2bo\$60b2o7b2o2\$65bo114bo\$64bobo112bobo\$64bobo112bobo\$65bo114bo2\$175b2o7b2o\$174bo2bo5bo2bo\$175b2o7b2o\$299bo\$180bo117bobo\$179bobo116bobo\$179bobo117bo\$180bo\$294b2o7b2o\$293bo2bo5bo2bo\$294b2o7b2o2\$299bo\$298bobo\$290b2o6bobo\$157b2o130bobo7bo\$156bobo132bo\$158bo3\$282b2o\$27b2o120b2o130bobo\$26bobo119bobo132bo\$28bo121bo2\$48b2o113b2o\$47bo2bo111bo2bo100b2o\$47bobo112bobo100bobo\$45b2obo111b2obo103bo\$44bo2bo111bo2bo\$44bobo112bobo\$45bo114bo\$146b2o\$31b2o112bobo\$30bobo114bo118b2o\$23b2o7bo232bobo33b2o\$22bobo242bo32bo2bo\$24bo275bobo\$298b2obo\$297bo2bo\$297bobo\$298bo3\$258b2o\$257bobo\$259bo6\$14b2o\$13bobo\$15bo10\$116b2o\$115bobo\$117bo102\$149b2o\$148bobo\$150bo16\$133b2o\$132bobo\$134bo8\$123b2o\$122bobo\$124bo!`

The first is cheap and seems unproblematic. The remaining two are of the opposite color but have some issues.

The second has a clean up glider that must come after the SE glider hits the turner but before the SW glider hits the HB. I'm not sure if such a thing is practical.

The third is a bit more expensive (two resets) and the junk is very close to the edge. But I do belive all the junk is hittable on the next iteration by 3 gliders of the opposite color as shown.

EDIT: my search method does not allow any period 2 stuff to happen until the final SE->SW phase so lifting that restriction would make things easier.
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

Here are some new even-lane 180-degree turners:
`x = 190, y = 203, rule = B3/S23183bo\$182bobo\$182bobo\$183bo2\$178b2o7b2o\$177bo2bo5bo2bo\$178b2o7b2o2\$183bo\$182bobo\$182bobo\$183bo13\$155b3o\$157bo\$156bo22\$137bo\$137b2o\$136bobo23\$104bo\$104b2o\$103bobo24\$82b3o\$84bo\$83bo48\$56b3o\$58bo\$57bo23\$5b3o\$7bo\$6bo23\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`

`x = 249, y = 277, rule = B3/S23244bo\$244bo\$244bo2\$240b3o3b3o2\$244bo\$244bo\$244bo17\$214b3o\$216bo\$215bo23\$193b3o\$195bo\$194bo23\$172b3o\$174bo\$173bo23\$151b3o\$153bo\$152bo23\$116b3o\$118bo\$117bo23\$99b3o\$101bo\$100bo23\$78b3o\$80bo\$79bo22\$56bo\$56b2o\$55bobo23\$39bo\$39b2o\$38bobo48\$bo\$b2o\$obo!`

`x = 352, y = 377, rule = B3/S23350bo\$349bobo\$349bobo\$350bo22\$320b3o\$322bo\$321bo23\$303b3o\$305bo\$304bo72\$231bo\$231b2o\$230bobo23\$222bo\$222b2o\$221bobo48\$180bo\$180b2o\$179bobo23\$131bo\$131b2o\$130bobo49\$84b3o\$86bo\$85bo22\$74bo\$74b2o\$73bobo24\$46b3o\$48bo\$47bo47\$bo\$b2o\$obo!`
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

chris_c wrote:The second has a clean up glider that must come after the SE glider hits the turner but before the SW glider hits the HB. I'm not sure if such a thing is practical.

This brings up another possible way to expand the definition of "edge-shooter" for the HBK. When junk just barely wanders off the edge of the shooting range, it's very likely that later gliders on the shooting range can affect it, and quite likely clean it up, without bothering to shoot a glider at it.

Thought I had an example for this second recipe, but my manually-added gliders are the wrong color (EDIT: Wait, no, they aren't after all) (and there's an awkward glider coming out in the other direction, but that just shows how easy that kind of thing is to do...):

`x = 81, y = 88, rule = LifeHistory78.2A\$78.A.A\$79.A7\$73.A\$73.A\$73.A4\$79.2A\$79.2A7\$76.2A\$76.2A13\$68.A\$66.2A\$67.2A5\$61.2A\$60.A2.A\$60.A.A\$58.2A.A\$57.A2.A\$57.A.A\$58.A15\$24.2A\$25.2A\$24.A18\$3A\$2.A\$.A!`

Just take it as an imperfect proof-of-concept, I guess.

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

chris_c wrote:The second has a clean up glider that must come after the SE glider hits the turner but before the SW glider hits the HB. I'm not sure if such a thing is practical.

I don't see it as a problem, you can let the SW glider fly freely as long as needed until all necessary cleanup is done.
chris_c wrote:The third is a bit more expensive (two resets) and the junk is very close to the edge.

Same here.
chris_c wrote:EDIT: my search method does not allow any period 2 stuff to happen until the final SE->SW phase so lifting that restriction would make things easier.

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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

If someone is interested, here are scripts I use for weighted search (still under development):

https://github.com/codeholic/hbk/blob/s ... romatic.py - search for slow elbow operations
https://github.com/codeholic/hbk/blob/1 ... romatic.py - modified version to search for 180-degree turners

Both versions are not yet optimized for doing deep searches. I guess, backtracking goes same tracks again and again.
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

Here is a summary. I already mentioned the hack of step 1 and the script of step 4 in my (rather long) first post. I will summarise the exact steps I used to find these 90 degree turners here.

1. Hack gencols so that it only considers "even" translations between patterns. Compile the hacked version as gencols_even.

2. Use the following shell script to iteratively generate collisions between a honey farm and more and more gliders.

`#!/bin/sh./gencols_even -pat hf.col obj/glider_ne.life -tc 10 13 -gen 90 -filt 1 -geq 1 > hf1ge.colcut -d" " -f2 hf1ge.col | sort | uniq > hf1ge.outecho "Wrote hf1ge.col and hf1ge.out"./gencols_even -pat hf1ge.out obj/glider_ne.life -tc 10 13 -gen 90 -filt 1 -geq 1 > hf2ge.colcut -d" " -f2 hf2ge.col | sort | uniq > hf2ge.outecho "Wrote hf2ge.col and hf2ge.out"./gencols_even -pat hf2ge.out obj/glider_ne.life -tc 10 13 -gen 90 -filt 1 -geq 1 > hf3ge.colcut -d" " -f2 hf3ge.col | sort | uniq > hf3ge.outecho "Wrote hf3ge.col and hf3ge.out"./gencols_even -pat hf3ge.out obj/glider_ne.life -tc 10 13 -gen 90 -filt 1 -geq 1 > hf4ge.colcut -d" " -f2 hf4ge.col | sort | uniq > hf4ge.outecho "Wrote hf4ge.col and hf4ge.out"./gencols_even -pat hf4ge.out obj/glider_ne.life -tc 10 13 -gen 90 -filt 1 -geq 1 > hf5ge.colcut -d" " -f2 hf5ge.col | sort | uniq > hf5ge.outecho "Wrote hf5ge.col and hf5ge.out"`

Note the use of "cut" to only take the output of the collisions at generation 90.

3. Generate collisions of the above output with SE gliders _and_ NW gliders with something like
`./gencols -pat hf4ge.out obj/glider_se.life -tc 10 13 > hf.list./gencols -pat hf4ge.out obj/glider_nw.life -tc 10 13 >> hf.list`

4. Write a golly script that takes the above patterns from "hf.list" and filters them with the following criteria:
a) Population after generation 1000 is the same as generation 1001 (crude way to detect most period 2 results).
b) Boudning box has only grown past (100,100) in the SW direction. (crude way to detect that no gliders have gone in unwanted directions)
The script sorts the results by the population of the final pattern and the number of output gliders.

5. Inspect the filtered collisions by hand. Outputs of interest can be reconstructed one step at a time backwards to see how they evolved from the original honey farm (tedious manual labour). Collisions that originated from a NW glider must be reflected. This does not produce duplicate collisions since after reflection the honey farm is of the opposite color to before and gencols_even would not have considered it.

Since I have no control over the gliders in step 2 I think I am forced to only consider intermediate results that are period 1.

I will take a look at your scripts with interest. I would like to move on to looking for ways to reproduce the turners at (3,6) offset with monochromatic gliders but I see no way of adapting my method to do that (I don't think gencols tells you anything about the offset of the output pattern from the input pattern... unless I work out how to hack it again). Hopefully your methods will be more useful going down this road.
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### Re: Half-bakery reaction with glider

codeholic wrote:If someone is interested, here are scripts I use for weighted search (still under development):

https://github.com/codeholic/hbk/blob/s ... romatic.py - search for slow elbow operations
https://github.com/codeholic/hbk/blob/1 ... romatic.py - modified version to search for 180-degree turners

Both versions are not yet optimized for doing deep searches. I guess, backtracking goes same tracks again and again.

I like these scripts a lot. I already hacked them to find the following pattern: a (3,6) block push requiring one reset and giving an extra block to do as you please with.

`x = 44, y = 65, rule = B3/S2342b2o\$42b2o9\$36b3o\$38bo\$37bo12\$24b3o\$26bo\$25bo3\$13b3o\$15bo\$14bo8\$11b3o\$13bo\$12bo21\$3o\$2bo\$bo!`
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