## Soup search results

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### Re: Soup search results

Apple Bottom wrote:
A for awesome wrote:The first true 4-ship flotilla:

Oh, excellent! (Object on Catagolue, haul - doesn't exist? Curious, since when does Catalogue delete B3/S23 hauls?)

Since yesterday, or possibly the day before. I noticed that the server costs for persistent storage have been slowly escalating...
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### Re: Soup search results

calcyman wrote:
Apple Bottom wrote:
A for awesome wrote:The first true 4-ship flotilla:

Oh, excellent! (Object on Catagolue, haul - doesn't exist? Curious, since when does Catalogue delete B3/S23 hauls?)

Since yesterday, or possibly the day before. I noticed that the server costs for persistent storage have been slowly escalating...

Is there some criterion for which hauls are being deleted?

I also have one other apgsearch-related question, and I'm not sure quite where would be the most appropriate place to ask it. How difficult would it be to modify apgsearch to report pseudo-objects (e.g. if it finds a block on snake, it currently decomposes it into block plus snake. It might be useful to report all three - block, snake, and block on snake.)? Catagolue has been incredibly useful in finding improved syntheses (and sometimes the only syntheses) for certain still-lifes and oscillators. However, it can't currently be used effectively to find syntheses for complicated pseudo-objects. Admittedly, pseudo-objects tend to be generally less interesting, but they do sometimes come in useful (e.g. in the initial Dart synthesis) and some arrangements are difficult to synthesize. If Catagolue kept track of them, it might prove to be very useful in finding such syntheses.
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I'm still waiting for an OWSS appearing in a symmetric soup, something like:

x = 23, y = 8, rule = B3/S238bobobobo$7bo7bo$7bo7bo$obo4bo7bo4bobo$3bo3bo7bo3bo$3bo3bo7bo3bo$o2bo3bo2bobo2bo3bo2bo$b3o3b3o3b3o3b3o! Ivan Fomichev codeholic Moderator Posts: 1141 Joined: September 13th, 2011, 8:23 am Location: Hamburg, Germany ### Re: Soup search results mniemiec wrote:I also have one other apgsearch-related question, and I'm not sure quite where would be the most appropriate place to ask it. How difficult would it be to modify apgsearch to report pseudo-objects (e.g. if it finds a block on snake, it currently decomposes it into block plus snake. It might be useful to report all three - block, snake, and block on snake.)? Catagolue has been incredibly useful in finding improved syntheses (and sometimes the only syntheses) for certain still-lifes and oscillators. However, it can't currently be used effectively to find syntheses for complicated pseudo-objects. Admittedly, pseudo-objects tend to be generally less interesting, but they do sometimes come in useful (e.g. in the initial Dart synthesis) and some arrangements are difficult to synthesize. If Catagolue kept track of them, it might prove to be very useful in finding such syntheses. I've actually had an idea to keep track of components, for a similar reason. As for implementation, I was thinking of keeping track of cells that have survived for at least n generations, and putting any new cells born from these old cells into a new state. (Of course, the modification has to survive to be counted, so it's not like every single encounter between a stable object and a chaotic mess will result in being marked.) Also, to weed out a lot of irrelevant results, the final object should be relatively complex. This isn't perfect, but it'll do. (A potential (but slower) workaround would be to set up a script that grabs all soups of a particular object on Catagolue, and then I can run the analysis myself. However, this method would have the advantage of potentially being more targeted, if I'm looking to make a particular object.) I Like My Heisenburps! (and others) Extrementhusiast Posts: 1735 Joined: June 16th, 2009, 11:24 pm Location: USA ### Re: Soup search results Will apgsearch ever support generation rules? I don't think it would be that difficult, but I can't python at all so I don't know. This post was brought to you by the letter D, for dishes that Andrew J. Wade won't do. (Also Daniel, which happens to be me.) Current rule interest: B2ce3-ir4a5y/S2-c3-y drc Posts: 1664 Joined: December 3rd, 2015, 4:11 pm Location: creating useless things in OCA ### Re: Soup search results drc wrote:Will apgsearch ever support generation rules? I don't think it would be that difficult, but I can't python at all so I don't know. Generations rules are a pain to soup search, because Golly fills in all states with equal probability. LifeWiki: Like Wikipedia but with more spaceships. [citation needed] BlinkerSpawn Posts: 1819 Joined: November 8th, 2014, 8:48 pm Location: Getting a snacker from R-Bee's ### Re: Soup search results mniemiec wrote:I also have one other apgsearch-related question, and I'm not sure quite where would be the most appropriate place to ask it. How difficult would it be to modify apgsearch to report pseudo-objects? I actually included a partial version of this in v0.54+0.2Ni, in case you weren't aware. However, it does have severe restrictions, such as slowness, only reporting the pseudo-object and not the constituents, and (of course) not uploading the results to Catagolue, so that may not be what you're looking for. x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1694 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 ### Re: Soup search results A for awesome wrote:I actually included a partial version of this in v0.54+0.2Ni, in case you weren't aware. However, it does have severe restrictions, such as slowness, only reporting the pseudo-object and not the constituents, and (of course) not uploading the results to Catagolue, so that may not be what you're looking for. Right. The whole point would be to harness the massive distributed computing power feeding into Catagolue, so a stand-alone solution doesn't really do that much, unless such changes are implemented globally. Extrementhusiast wrote:(A potential (but slower) workaround would be to set up a script that grabs all soups of a particular object on Catagolue, and then I can run the analysis myself. However, this method would have the advantage of potentially being more targeted, if I'm looking to make a particular object.) This actually makes a lot of sense to find specific difficult pseudo-still-lifes, since this usually occurs with pseudo-still-lifes that contain still-lifes that themselves are awkward to synthesize, so the number of soups containing them will likely be fairly limited. It would also be helpful for finding generic methods involving such still-lifes. It's not as conducive to finding general-purpose difficult converters for popular still-lifes (e.g. inserting a block in an awkward location), as there would be millions (if not billions) of soups containing blocks. mniemiec Posts: 969 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Soup search results calcyman wrote:Since yesterday, or possibly the day before. I noticed that the server costs for persistent storage have been slowly escalating... Hmm, would it be possible to archive older hauls off-site, say on archive.org? I believe these are quite valuable -- at the very least it would be nice to know who submitted a haul, even if the haul itself isn't available anymore. (Also, perhaps the community can help out with hosting costs somehow?) If you speak, your speech must be better than your silence would have been. — Arabian proverb Catagolue: Apple Bottom • Life Wiki: Apple Bottom • Twitter: @_AppleBottom_ Proud member of the Pattern Raiders! Apple Bottom Posts: 1015 Joined: July 27th, 2015, 2:06 pm ### Re: Soup search results Huh. x = 12, y = 20, rule = B3/S239b2o$8bo2bo$8bobo$9bo7$bo$b2o$2b2o$obo$2o5$6b3o!
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### Re: Soup search results

This yields an 8 glider synthesis for 24.46480:
x = 191, y = 73, rule = B3/S23185booboo$186bobo$186bo3bo$28bo36bo99bo21b4o$27bo36bobo97bobo$24boob3o33bobbo96bobbo20b4o$23bobo38boo98boo20bo3bo$25bo20b3o97b3o37bobo$6bo178booboo$3obobo34boo98boo$bbobboo33bobbo96bobbo$bo39bobo97bobo$42bo99bo15$156bo$156boo$155bobo3bo$159boo$160boo6$141b3o$143bo$142bo31$71bo$71boo$70bobo! mniemiec Posts: 969 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Soup search results mniemiec wrote:This yields an 8 glider synthesis for 24.46480... Nice! That beats the previous best of nine gliders. gmc_nxtman Posts: 1146 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm ### Re: Soup search results I wrote:This yields an 8 glider synthesis for 24.46480 ... gmc_nxtman wrote:Nice! That beats the previous best of nine gliders. I wasn't aware that this had been synthesized before. Are you perhaps thinking of 24.46481, which costs 9 gliders, and looks very similar? (I was struck by the close numbers - I have syntheses for 17 out of 4051726 24-bit still-lifes. What are the odds that two of them would have adjacent indices? Less than 1 in a thousand! mniemiec Posts: 969 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Soup search results mniemiec wrote: I wrote:This yields an 8 glider synthesis for 24.46480 ... gmc_nxtman wrote:Nice! That beats the previous best of nine gliders. I wasn't aware that this had been synthesized before. Are you perhaps thinking of 24.46481, which costs 9 gliders, and looks very similar? (I was struck by the close numbers - I have syntheses for 17 out of 4051726 24-bit still-lifes. What are the odds that two of them would have adjacent indices? Less than 1 in a thousand! I was referring to the previous component-based synthesis: x = 75, y = 71, rule = B3/S2373bo$72bo$72b3o24$21bo14bobo$19bobo14b2o$20b2o15bo3$22bobo$22b2o$23bo2$17bo$18b2o$17b2o8$28b3o$28bo$29bo7$53b2o$52b2o$54bo12$2o54b2o$b2o53bobo$o55bo! gmc_nxtman Posts: 1146 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm ### Re: Soup search results Quadruple burloaferimeter from C4_4: x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23oobboobbbooooobobobobobboobbbbbo$boobbbbboobbooooboobbbobbooooboo$bbbooobobbbbbobbbboooboobobbbbob$bobooboboobbobboobobooobobbooobb$bobooobboobbobbboobbbboobooooobo$bobbobobbbbbobobbbbobbbooobobobo$oooboobboobobobbboobboobbbobobbb$obboboboobboooobbobbbobbobbbbobb$bboboobboobbooobbooobbboooboobob$boooobobbboobbooobobbbbobobooboo$obbobboobbbooobbbbobobobbbbbbbbo$bboobbbbbbobbboooobbbooboobbbbbo$obobbobbobbbbooobbobbobooboooboo$booobbobooobobbooobobobooobbbooo$oobbobooobbobobbbbboobooobobbbob$bbboobbbboboboboobooobobbbbboboo$oobobbbbboboooboobobobobbbboobbb$bobbboboooboobbbbbobobbooobobboo$ooobbbooobobobooobbobooobobbooob$ooboooboobobbobbooobbbbobbobbobo$obbbbbooboobbboooobbbobbbbbboobb$obbbbbbbbobobobbbbooobbboobbobbo$ooboobobobbbbobooobboobbboboooob$boboobooobbbooobbooobboobboobobb$bbobbbbobbobbbobboooobboobobobbo$bbbobobbboobboobbboboboobboobooo$obobobooobbbobbbbobobbbbbobobbob$oboooooboobbbboobbbobboobbooobob$bbooobboboooboboobbobbooboboobob$bobbbboboobooobbbbobbbbbobooobbb$ooboooobbobbbooboooobboobbbbboob$obbbbboobbobobobobooooobbboobboo!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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A for awesome wrote:Quadruple burloaferimeter from C4_4: ...

The formative stage seems to be around generatuon 750, and it has limited interaction with outside things after that - so it looks like it should be fairly easy to synthesize (and if not easy, then at least plausible).
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### Re: Soup search results

mniemiec wrote:
A for awesome wrote:Quadruple burloaferimeter from C4_4: ...

The formative stage seems to be around generatuon 750, and it has limited interaction with outside things after that - so it looks like it should be fairly easy to synthesize (and if not easy, then at least plausible).

28 gliders:
x = 160, y = 160, rule = B3/S23146bobo$134bo11b2o$134bobo10bo$134b2o8$o$b2o121bo$2o120b2o$123b2o$40bo$41bo77bo$39b3o76bo$118b3o4$44bo$2bo42b2o$3bo40b2o$b3o10$12bobo$13b2o$13bo2$18bo123bo$16bobo123bobo$17b2o123b2o2$54bo$55bo79bobo$53b3o79b2o$136bo7$114bo$114bobo$114b2o49$44b2o$43bobo$45bo7$23bo$23b2o79b3o$22bobo79bo$105bo2$16b2o123b2o$15bobo123bobo$17bo123bo2$146bo$145b2o$145bobo10$156b3o$114b2o40bo$113b2o42bo$115bo4$39b3o$41bo76b3o$40bo77bo$119bo$35b2o$36b2o120b2o$35bo121b2o$159bo8$24b2o$12bo10bobo$12b2o11bo$11bobo! Iteration of sigma(n)+tau(n)-n [sigma(n)+tau(n)-n : OEIS A163163] (e.g. 16,20,28,34,24,44,46,30,50,49,11,3,3, ...) : 965808 is period 336 (max = 207085118608). AbhpzTa Posts: 455 Joined: April 13th, 2016, 9:40 am Location: Ishikawa Prefecture, Japan ### Re: Soup search results Variant of Jason's p11, on R-mangoes (or doves): x = 29, y = 29, rule = B3/S239b2o7b2o9b$8bo2bo5bo2bo8b$9bo2bo3bo2bo9b$10b3o3b3o10b$29b$10b3o3b3o10b$9bo3bobo3bo9b$9bobobobobobo9b$bo8b2obobob2o8bob$obo3b2o4bo3bo4b2o3bobo$o2bobo2bo11bo2bobo2bo$bobobob2o11b2obobobob$2b2obo3bo9bo3bob2o2b$6b3o11b3o6b$29b$6b3o11b3o6b$2b2obo3bo9bo3bob2o2b$bobobob2o11b2obobobob$o2bobo2bo11bo2bobo2bo$obo3b2o4bo3bo4b2o3bobo$bo8b2obobob2o8bob$9bobobobobobo9b$9bo3bobo3bo9b$10b3o3b3o10b$29b$10b3o3b3o10b$9bo2bo3bo2bo9b$8bo2bo5bo2bo8b$9b2o7b2o9b! Soup: x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23obbbobobbobbbobobobbbobbobobbbo$boooobbobobobbbbbbbobobobboooob$bobobbooobooboooooboobooobbobob$boobbobooobooobobooobooobobboob$oobboooobbbobbbbbbbobbboooobboo$bbbooobobbbooobbbooobbbobooobbb$obobobobbbobobbbbbobobbbobobobo$booooobobbobbooboobbobbobooooob$bboobbbbooboobobobooboobbbboobb$oobobbbboobbobobobobboobbbboboo$bbobbboobbbobooboobobbboobbbobb$booooobbobobbooooobbobobbooooob$bbbobooboobbbobobobbbooboobobbb$oboobobobbooooooooooobboboboobo$bbobbbbooooobooboobooooobbbbobb$oboobbbbbbbooobbbooobbbbbbboobo$bbobbbbooooobooboobooooobbbbobb$oboobobobbooooooooooobboboboobo$bbbobooboobbbobobobbbooboobobbb$booooobbobobbooooobbobobbooooob$bbobbboobbbobooboobobbboobbbobb$oobobbbboobbobobobobboobbbboboo$bboobbbbooboobobobooboobbbboobb$booooobobbobbooboobbobbobooooob$obobobobbbobobbbbbobobbbobobobo$bbbooobobbbooobbbooobbbobooobbb$oobboooobbbobbbbbbbobbboooobboo$boobbobooobooobobooobooobobboob$bobobbooobooboooooboobooobbobob$boooobbobobobbbbbbbobobobboooob$obbbobobbobbbobobobbbobbobobbbo! Haul: here (Apple Bottom). ---- New largest still life (by population) on Catagolue in B3/S23, an xs272: x = 33, y = 33, rule = B3/S2312bo7bo12b$11bobo5bobo11b$12bobo3bobo12b$13b2o3b2o13b$10bo11bo10b$10b5o3b5o10b$8b2o5bobo5b2o8b$9bo2b2obobob2o2bo9b$6bo2bobobobobobobobo2bo6b$6b3o2bobobobobobo2b3o6b$4b2o5bobobobobobo5b2o4b$bo3bo2b3o2bobobobo2b3o2bo3bob$obo2bobo5b2o3b2o5bobo2bobo$bobobob6o7b6obobobob$2b2obo6bo7bo6bob2o2b$6b6o9b6o6b$33b$6b6o9b6o6b$2b2obo6bo7bo6bob2o2b$bobobob6o7b6obobobob$obo2bobo5b2o3b2o5bobo2bobo$bo3bo2b3o2bobobobo2b3o2bo3bob$4b2o5bobobobobobo5b2o4b$6b3o2bobobobobobo2b3o6b$6bo2bobobobobobobobo2bo6b$9bo2b2obobob2o2bo9b$8b2o5bobo5b2o8b$10b5o3b5o10b$10bo11bo10b$13b2o3b2o13b$12bobo3bobo12b$11bobo5bobo11b$12bo7bo12b! Soup: x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23obboobbooooobbooobbooooobboobbo$bbboooooooobbbooobbboooooooobbb$bbbooobboobbooboboobboobbooobbb$ooobbobobbbbbobobobbbbbobobbooo$ooobobooboooooboboooooboobobooo$booobobooobbbbooobbbbooobobooob$bobbobobooobooooooobooobobobbob$oobooobobobbobobobobboboboooboo$ooobboobbbbobbooobbobbbboobbooo$ooobooooboooobbbbbooooboooobooo$oobbobobboobbooboobboobbobobboo$obbbobbboobobobbboboboobbbobbbo$bboboboobobbooboboobboboobobobb$bbooobobbbooobooobooobbbobooobb$oobbboooobobbooboobboboooobbboo$ooooooobobbboobbboobbbobooooooo$oobbboooobobbooboobboboooobbboo$bbooobobbbooobooobooobbbobooobb$bboboboobobbooboboobboboobobobb$obbbobbboobobobbboboboobbbobbbo$oobbobobboobbooboobboobbobobboo$ooobooooboooobbbbbooooboooobooo$ooobboobbbbobbooobbobbbboobbooo$oobooobobobbobobobobboboboooboo$bobbobobooobooooooobooobobobbob$booobobooobbbbooobbbbooobobooob$ooobobooboooooboboooooboobobooo$ooobbobobbbbbobobobbbbbobobbooo$bbbooobboobbooboboobboobbooobbb$bbboooooooobbbooobbboooooooobbb$obboobbooooobbooobbooooobboobbo! Haul: here (Apple Bottom) If you speak, your speech must be better than your silence would have been. — Arabian proverb Catagolue: Apple Bottom • Life Wiki: Apple Bottom • Twitter: @_AppleBottom_ Proud member of the Pattern Raiders! Apple Bottom Posts: 1015 Joined: July 27th, 2015, 2:06 pm ### Re: Soup search results Apple Bottom wrote:Variant of Jason's p11, on R-mangoes (or doves): ... Soup: ... Haul: ... (Apple Bottom). New largest still life (by population) on Catagolue in B3/S23 ... Soup: ... Haul: ... (Apple Bottom) While the outcomes of many symmetri soups are quite tantalyzing, it is unfortunate that in many cases, such soups settle down to their results in a very small number of generations - too small for the results to really be considered "natural", or to provide a useful synthesis path. I don't recall that ever happening with asymmetric soups. mniemiec Posts: 969 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Soup search results mniemiec wrote:While the outcomes of many symmetri soups are quite tantalyzing, it is unfortunate that in many cases, such soups settle down to their results in a very small number of generations - too small for the results to really be considered "natural", or to provide a useful synthesis path. I don't recall that ever happening with asymmetric soups. Indeed, it's a shame. Have we ever considered using larger asymmetric soups on Catagolue? It shouldn't be too difficult to support those, actually. Right now apg(search|nano|mera) uses SHA-256, which provides exactly the 256 bits needed for a 16x16 soup. SHA-512 would provide enough for soups up to 22x22 (and so could be used to continue e.g. Nathaniel's census with its 20x20 soups). Keccak, the hash function underlying SHA-3, can produce an arbitary number of bits, and so can others, like Bruce Schneier's Skein. These could be used for (say) 32x32 soups. All that would be needed is: • tweaks to the scripts. For apgsearch 1.x, the hashlib module for Python already implements SHA512; Keccak and Skein would have to be pulled in. For apgmera 3.x it should be no problem finding an appropriate library. • consensus on what the resulting pseudo-symmetries should be called. "20x20", "32x32" etc. would be natural choices, I think; additionally indicating a (proper) symmetry would also be worthwhile (so, say, "32x32-D8_4" could be 64x64 soups constructed in the usual manner, etc.) • consensus on which hash functions to use, and how. • support on Catagolue for the new pseudo-symmetries. (In particular, to allow the reconstruction of sample soups from the seeds used.) • perhaps: support on Catagolue for extended (greedy) apgcodes to allow the representation of patterns of arbitrary size, on the assumption that larger patterns would be more likely to arise from larger soups. Considering Adam is Catagolue's Benevolent Dictator for Life™, I think the ball's in his court here. Would this be worthwhile? I think so -- it opens up fascinating new possibilities, and should only require fairly minor tweaks to the existing infrastructure and codebase. Those are my two bits! If you speak, your speech must be better than your silence would have been. — Arabian proverb Catagolue: Apple Bottom • Life Wiki: Apple Bottom • Twitter: @_AppleBottom_ Proud member of the Pattern Raiders! Apple Bottom Posts: 1015 Joined: July 27th, 2015, 2:06 pm ### Re: Soup search results mniemiec wrote:While the outcomes of many symmetric soups are quite tantalizing, it is unfortunate that in many cases, such soups settle down to their results in a very small number of generations - too small for the results to really be considered "natural", or to provide a useful synthesis path. I don't recall that ever happening with asymmetric soups. It does, and it's very unfortunate: x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23bo2bobo2bobob3o$b5ob2o2b2o2bo$2b3obobo2bob2o$2bo2b2o2b4ob2o$bo2b4o5b2o$2bobo4bob2o2bo$b2ob3ob8o$b7o2b3ob2o$obo2b3ob2o2bo$2o2bobob2o$4bob2ob2o4bo$b2obo3b2ob2obo$bob7o2bo$4bob2o4b2obo$3b2ob3o3b4o$o2b2obo7b2o!

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drc wrote:It does, and it's very unfortunate: ... HOwever I may have misunderstood you.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I would expect it to happen with asymmetric soups on rare occasions, but it seems to be much more common with symmetric soups, especially with regards to large symmetric objects.
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An apparently-new p6:
x = 33, y = 33, rule = B3/S2313b2o3b2o$13bobobobo$15bobo$14b2ob2o$12bo2bobo2bo$15bobo$10b2ob2o3b2ob2o2$9b2o11b2o$8bo15bo$6bobo15bobo$6bo19bo$4bo23bo$2o4bo19bo4b2o$o2bo2bo19bo2bo2bo$b5o21b5o2$b5o21b5o$o2bo2bo19bo2bo2bo$2o4bo19bo4b2o$4bo23bo$6bo19bo$6bobo15bobo$8bo15bo$9b2o11b2o2$10b2ob2o3b2ob2o$15bobo$12bo2bobo2bo$14b2ob2o$15bobo$13bobobobo$13b2o3b2o! Catagolue page. Minimally, it can be hybridized with a known p3: x = 19, y = 18, rule = B3/S2312b2o$12bobo$14bo2bo$12bobobobo$11bo2bo2bo$14bo$9b2ob2o2$8b2o$7bo$5bobo$5bo$3bo$5bo$2bo2bo$bob2o$bo$2o! Tanner Jacobi Kazyan Posts: 777 Joined: February 6th, 2014, 11:02 pm ### Re: Soup search results Cool find! I was a little surprised when I couldn't find this in jslife... Here's an bounding-box-wise optimization, but it looks ugly. x = 18, y = 12, rule = B3/S234b2o$3bobo$3bo$2obobo$bobo2bo7bo$o2bo8b2obo$2o2b2ob2ob2obobo$10bo4b2o$8b4o2bo2bo$11bo3b2o$12b3o$14bo!
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### Re: Soup search results

12-bit P2 in 13 gliders, listed as 18:
x = 184, y = 33, rule = B3/S236bo$7bo$5b3o173bobo$181b2o$138b2o42bo$68bobo66bo2bo$68b2o68bobo$69bo69bo2$65b3o$b2o$obo57b2o76b2o$2bo56bo2bo75b2o2b2o$55bo4bobo78b2o14bo$56bo4bo81bo14b2o$54b3o100b2o2b2o$161b2o3$25bo60bo$23bobo31b3o25bo75bo$24b2o33bo25b3o72bobo$58bo101bo2bo$118bo42b2o$118b2o$117bobo$88b3o$83bo4bo$82bobo4bo$82bo2bo$32b3o48b2o$32bo\$33bo!
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