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Re: Soup search results

Postby NickGotts » December 17th, 2018, 7:15 am

dvgrn says:
The exponential curve is painfully bumpy, not nice and smooth.


If the number of methusalehs in successive bins approximates to a power law, then the curve is not exponential: power law distributions approach zero much more slowly. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law. I think there has been previous work on power laws in relation to Game of Life, concerning IIRC the size of disturbances that arise from switching the state of a single cell in a stable configuration. I'll see if I can find a reference.

(OT: My acquaintance with power laws derives from a bit of work I did around 2003-4 on the distribution of rural land holding sizes in Scotland. I found they approximated to a power law, meaning that a few greedy b******s own most of Scotland - see Andy Wightman's Who Owns Scotland (which preceded and informed my work) for a far more thorough but less mathematical treatment. My conference paper on the matter should be online somewhere, but the link I have doesn't work any more.)
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Re: Soup search results

Postby simeks » December 17th, 2018, 5:03 pm

dvgrn wrote:Here's a minor power-law investigation relating to regular methuselahs:
...
#C 62 soups, tub plus 2b3o$4bo$o3bo$o2bo$3o!
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
6bo2bo4bo$b2obo2bob2o$2b2o4b2o2b2obo$2bo2b3ob6o$b2obo2bo2bobo2bo$b2obo
bobobo2bobo$3obob2o4b2obo$b2obob2ob3o2b2o$obobobo2bo2b2o$o2bo3b2o5bo$
3o6b2obobo$b2obobob2ob4o$ob3ob5ob2obo$2b2o2b3ob3o$2bo4b2o2b2obo$2o2bob
2obo2bob2o!

Just thought it is worth mentioning that this is in fact Lidka
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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » December 17th, 2018, 5:53 pm

simeks wrote:
dvgrn wrote:Here's a minor power-law investigation relating to regular methuselahs:
...
#C 62 soups, tub plus 2b3o$4bo$o3bo$o2bo$3o!...

Just thought it is worth mentioning that this is in fact Lidka

Huh, interesting. Lidka predecessors are a really common bottleneck, the most frequent overlap in the 29K bin by about a factor of two.

It's possible to sort the output of my script to find which 16x16 pattern has an ancestor that takes the longest to evolve into Lidka. It turns out to be this one:

#C 247-tick predecessor of original Lidka, total survival time 29,300 ticks
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/C1/l_xsQF3KKe8cgm3386587/b3s23
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
ob3o2b3ob2obo$obo2bo4bo3b2o$bo2bo2bob2o2b2o$2b2o3bo3b4o$5bo2bo4b2o$o2b
o2bo2bo5bo$ob2ob6o2bo$b3o3bobo2bob2o$b3o2bob2o3b2o$4b4o2b2ob3o$5o3bob
2ob2o$b2ob3obo2b5o$bo2b2ob2o4b3o$6obo$o2b2o3b3obo2bo$o2b3ob4obo2bo!

But of course Catagolue has probably thrown out sixty-odd more Lidka predecessors just after the bin filled up, and many thousands more since Year Zero of apgsearch. So there are probably older ancestors within reach of a dedicated search, though Catagolue won't notice them unless the storage rules are changed.

-- Not that there's any particular market for Lidka predecessors... but I wonder if copies of 32829M are piling up in the 32K and 33K bins?

We know for sure that 40514M (the next possible low-population bottleneck pattern in the long-lived methuselahs list) isn't waiting to be rediscovered in the 40K bin, since apgsearch is still stubbornly refusing to find any methuselahs at all in the 40nnn range.

NickGotts wrote:dvgrn says:
The exponential curve is painfully bumpy, not nice and smooth.

If the number of methusalehs in successive bins approximates to a power law, then the curve is not exponential: power law distributions approach zero much more slowly. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_law.

I've read the Wikipedia treatment of power-law approximations, and am now more confused than when I started. Everyone should take both terms I used, "exponential" and "power law", with several grains of salt.

In other words, I'm definitely not at all clear on what the best statistical method would be for fitting a predictive equation to the long-tail curve of counts in the 1000-tick methuselah bins. It just seemed interesting that the apparent excessive noise in the counts for some of the lower bins, could be at least partly explained by early low-population bottlenecks like Lidka.

I suppose something similar might be true for statistical bumps in the N-bit still life counts: if you remove duplicates that are due to the exact same low-bit-count predecessor, maybe the remaining counts would be easier to fit to... um... some smooth curve or other.

-----------------------------------

Meanwhile, here's a version of the methuselah fingerprinter script that handles pulsars as well as beacons correctly, and makes just one call to Catagolue instead of up to five hundred, using lifelib calls to re-create the soups from a list of soup sample hashes. That link is really most of what is needed -- at least for C1 soups, it's pretty easy to produce them directly from the hash string -- but for now I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader to improve the script to take input from the user about which bin to process, and maybe remove the dependency on lifelib if that causes trouble for too many people.

(In theory, acquiring lifelib is as simple as pip install python-lifelib, but on Windows it's also necessary to install Cygwin. And people may run into other speed bumps that I haven't thought of yet.)

Anyway:

# methuselah-fingerprinter-stride-6.py

import golly as g
import urllib2
import lifelib

############################################                                                            #
lifelib.add_cygdir(r'C:\cygwin\cygwin64')  #  Replace this directory as appropriate for your own system #
                                           ##############################################################
sess = lifelib.load_rules('b3s23')
lt = sess.lifetree()
samples = lt.download_samples('b3s23','methuselah_30k')
# quick test that lifelib is functioning correctly #########
# g.note("Number of C1 samples: " + str(len(samples['C1'])))
# g.note("This is what the 41st sample looks like: \n" + str(samples['C1'][40]))
binlimit = 31000

def runget(lastmin):
  g.run(1)
  p = int(g.getpop())
  if lastmin>p: lastmin = p
  return p, lastmin
 
lookup="0123456789ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ_!abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"

all, count = "", 0
fname = g.getdir("temp")+"soup.rle"
for item in samples['C1']:
  item.save(fname)
  g.open(fname)
  count+=1
  g.fit()
  g.update()
  curmod0pop = int(g.getpop())
  min = curmod0pop
  curmod1pop, min = runget(min)
  curmod2pop, min = runget(min)
  curmod3pop, min = runget(min)
  curmod4pop, min = runget(min)
  curmod5pop, min = runget(min)
  arr = []
  for i in range(binlimit/6+1):
    newmod0pop, min = runget(min)
    newmod1pop, min = runget(min)
    newmod2pop, min = runget(min)
    newmod3pop, min = runget(min)
    newmod4pop, min = runget(min)
    newmod5pop, min = runget(min)
    arr+=[newmod0pop-curmod0pop,newmod1pop-curmod1pop,newmod2pop-curmod2pop,newmod3pop-curmod3pop,newmod4pop-curmod4pop,newmod5pop-curmod5pop]
    curmod0pop, curmod1pop, curmod2pop, curmod3pop, curmod4pop, curmod5pop = newmod0pop, newmod1pop, newmod2pop, newmod3pop, newmod4pop, newmod5pop
    if i%100==0:
      g.show("Soup #" + str(count) + ", T = " + str(i*6))
  ptr = binlimit-1
  s=""
  while ptr>0:
    if arr[ptr]!=0: break
    ptr-=1
  while ptr>0:
    s+=lookup[arr[ptr]%64]
    ptr -= 1
  all+="Soup #" + str(count).ljust(4) + "Min: "+ str(min).ljust(4) + s + "\n"
g.note("Done!  Click OK to copy results to the clipboard.")
g.setclipstr(all)


This was tested against the 30k bin (hardcoded a couple of places in the script), and as expected from the relatively low population of the bin, there are only 17 overlapping methuselahs, all due to fairly low-population bottlenecks:

# predecessor of "pi plus 3 blocks and 2 boats"
C1/l_xc6ESG65SQiM18454601   Soup #114 Min: 32
C1/l_h87jdfEbnuJe123404158  Soup #212 Min: 26
C1/l_WLRPFsB7d4nv6265948    Soup #487 Min: 30
C1/l_4ApGCvbeHruv19387759   Soup #139 Min: 31
C1/l_PHVF44YYqHsT17098941   Soup #259 Min: 24
C1/l_qrQnE9nQsxUx4197988    Soup #20  Min: 23
C1/l_g9gyBfvQJSE910169933   Soup #484 Min: 21
C1/l_jqueKG6XH5sC15085823   Soup #427 Min: 26
C1/l_hbG7Js27XHHC14647911   Soup #221 Min: 18
C1/l_jfBNw3pbmXtm6437394    Soup #119 Min: 23
C1/l_h4JjAZb4X65u20697923   Soup #358 Min: 17
C1/l_vZF8TbCUEHJM276840       Soup #59  Min: 20
C1/l_rps9vD2BbfwE36506758   Soup #363 Min: 31
C1/l_xmmaxw7tvugw20250641   Soup #497 Min: 34

# R-pentomino plus blinker plus block plus junk
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
o2b2ob2obobo2bo$2o6b2o2bo2bo$ob2ob5o4bo$6obo2bo3b2o$4ob2o2bob2obo$2o2b
5ob2ob2o$ob2ob3o2bo2bo$5bob3obobo$obo2bob2o5b2o$o6bobo2bo2bo$4bob2obob
5o$bo3b3o2b4o$o4b2o2b2o2bo$bob2obo6bo$o5bo2bob2o$3b2o9b2o!
C1/l_EPAky7dWczBR207300       Soup #47  Min: 21
C1/l_cTD4fz4Kw8Qv77625108   Soup #324 Min: 19
C1/l_QB7gRjJUMbV45083840    Soup #419 Min: 21

By contrast, the next lower bin, 29K, has somewhat over twice the methuselah count (where it "should" be only something like 1.7 times, going by the average probability ratio between bins). But it has 120 duplicates instead of less than 20, due to Lidka and other bottleneck attractors.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby A for awesome » December 17th, 2018, 9:58 pm

Third distinct 2xQB oscillator in C1:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oboobbbooobobooo$
oobbobbobbbboobo$
bbbbbobobobooooo$
oooobbbbbbobbbob$
bbbobbobooboobbo$
obobobbooooooobo$
bobooobbbboboooo$
bbboboooooooboob$
obobbooooooooooo$
bbobobbbbobobbbb$
obobbbbobboobooo$
ooooobbbbbbbboob$
obobbbbbobbobobb$
obbbbbooooobbbob$
bbbbbbooobbbbbbo$
obbboobobbbobobb!
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V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Soup search results

Postby Apple Bottom » December 22nd, 2018, 2:07 pm

A 1209-generation diehard in C4_1, found by Ian07 on December 15:

#C messless_12h
#C C4_1 sample soup ? of ?
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/messless_12h/b3s23/C4_1
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/C4_1/l_thmxq7bYWxMj9191681/b3s23
#C https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C4_1/634f4a375272ee8f77561f29d3b3ac4d
x = 31, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
bobobbooobbooboobbobbooboboobbb$
bboboobooobboboobbbbobbobobbobo$
bobobbbbobobbbobbbooooboooobbob$
obbooobbbbooboboboboooboobooobo$
oboobboboboobbobbobbbooobobobob$
boobobbbboobbbbobbobooboobbobob$
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booooobboooobobbobobbbbbobbbboo$
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bbboobbboobbboooboooobboobbobbb$
bbbbbbooobobbbooooobobobobobooo$
ooboboobooooooooooooooobooboboo$
ooobobobobobooooobbbobooobbbbbb$
bbbobboobboooobooobbboobbboobbb$
oobbbbbbbbobbbbooobooobobobbobo$
obboobboooboobboboboobbbobboobb$
bboooobobboooboooooboobbbobooob$
bobbbobooboboobobbbobbobooooobo$
ooobobbobobbboooobbobobbbbobbbo$
oobbbbobbbbbobobboboooobbooooob$
obbbobbbbobobboooobbbbboboboobo$
bobobbooboobobbobbbboobbbboboob$
bobobobooobbbobbobboobobobboobo$
obooobooboooboboboboobbbbooobbo$
bobbooooboooobbbobbbobobbbbobob$
obobbobobbobbbboobobboooboobobb$
bbbooboboobbobbooboobbooobbobob!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » December 30th, 2018, 5:28 pm

27742-gen methuselah that also emits a LWSS:

(I took the seed, SHA256-ed it, converted to binary, then converted it to a 16x16 square - is there a better way?)

o.o.oo....o..o..
...o.o.o.o....o.
o..ooooo.ooo.o..
o.o.oo.o.o...oo.
oo.o.o...ooooo.o
.o....o..o......
...ooo..o.oooo..
....o..o.o..oo.o
oooo.ooooo.ooooo
..o..o.o...ooo..
o...o.o.o..o..oo
o..o.oo.oo.o.o.o
oo.ooo..ooo.oo..
..o..oo..ooooo..
oo..oooo.o......
oooooooo.o.o...o
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Ian07 » December 30th, 2018, 5:43 pm

testitemqlstudop wrote:(I took the seed, SHA256-ed it, converted to binary, then converted it to a 16x16 square - is there a better way?)


Catagolue can actually do this for you:
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/<symmetry>/<seed>/<rule>
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Re: Soup search results

Postby testitemqlstudop » January 1st, 2019, 1:08 pm

Was searching b3s23/D8_4, very rewarding:

x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
oobobbbobobboooooooobbobobbboboo$
oobobbobbbboobooooboobbbbobboboo$
bbboobobooobobbbbbboboooboboobbb$
oooboboobooooboooobooooboobobooo$
bboooooobbboboboobobobbboooooobb$
bbbboboooobobbobbobboboooobobbbb$
boooooooboobboooooobboobooooooob$
obboooooooooooobboooooooooooobbo$
bbobboboooooooboobooooooobobbobb$
obooboooobbbbboooobbbbbooooboobo$
bboobbooobbbobobbobobbbooobboobb$
boboooboobboboboobobobboobooobob$
oooobbboobobbbbbbbbbboboobbboooo$
obbbobooobbobbboobbbobbooobobbbo$
ooboboooboobbbbbbbbbbooboooboboo$
oobooboboobobobbbboboboobobooboo$
oobooboboobobobbbboboboobobooboo$
ooboboooboobbbbbbbbbbooboooboboo$
obbbobooobbobbboobbbobbooobobbbo$
oooobbboobobbbbbbbbbboboobbboooo$
boboooboobboboboobobobboobooobob$
bboobbooobbbobobbobobbbooobboobb$
obooboooobbbbboooobbbbbooooboobo$
bbobboboooooooboobooooooobobbobb$
obboooooooooooobboooooooooooobbo$
boooooooboobboooooobboobooooooob$
bbbboboooobobbobbobboboooobobbbb$
bboooooobbboboboobobobbboooooobb$
oooboboobooooboooobooooboobobooo$
bbboobobooobobbbbbboboooboboobbb$
oobobbobbbboobooooboobbbbobboboo$
oobobbbobobboooooooobbobobbboboo!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
obbbboboboooboboobobooobobobbbbo$
bbbboooboboobobooboboobobooobbbb$
bbooobbbboobboobboobboobbbbooobb$
bboboobbbbbbbboooobbbbbbbboobobb$
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bbbbboboooobobbbbbboboooobobbbbb$
ooobboooooobbbbbbbbbboooooobbooo$
bboobbboobbobboooobbobboobbboobb$
oobobbbbboobbbobbobbboobbbbboboo$
oobobbbbboobbbobbobbboobbbbboboo$
bboobbboobbobboooobbobboobbboobb$
ooobboooooobbbbbbbbbboooooobbooo$
bbbbboboooobobbbbbboboooobobbbbb$
oobbooobbobbbbobbobbbbobbooobboo$
ooobboboobbboobooboobbboobobbooo$
oboboboooobooobooboooboooobobobo$
bobbbobbboobooobboooboobbbobbbob$
obbbboobboobooobboooboobboobbbbo$
bobboobobobobobbbboboboboboobbob$
oobobboooboooobbbboooobooobboboo$
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bboboobbbbbbbboooobbbbbbbboobobb$
bbooobbbboobboobboobboobbbbooobb$
bbbboooboboobobooboboobobooobbbb$
obbbboboboooboboobobooobobobbbbo!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
boboobooobbbbobbbbobbbboooboobob$
obobbbbbboboboboobobobobbbbbbobo$
boboboobbbbbboboobobbbbbboobobob$
oboobbbobbboboboobobobbbobbboobo$
obbbbboboobboboooobobboobobbbbbo$
bbobbbbobbboboobboobobbbobbbbobb$
obobobobbbooobbbbbbooobbbobobobo$
obbobobobbboboooooobobbbobobobbo$
obbbobbbooobobbbbbbobooobbbobbbo$
bobbobbboobbboboobobbboobbbobbob$
bbbbbboboboboooooooobobobobbbbbb$
bobobooobbbbobbbbbbobbbbooobobob$
bbbboboboboooobooboooobobobobbbb$
oooobobobooboobooboobooboboboooo$
bbbboobobbobbboooobbbobboboobbbb$
boooobboboobooooooooboobobboooob$
boooobboboobooooooooboobobboooob$
bbbboobobbobbboooobbbobboboobbbb$
oooobobobooboobooboobooboboboooo$
bbbboboboboooobooboooobobobobbbb$
bobobooobbbbobbbbbbobbbbooobobob$
bbbbbboboboboooooooobobobobbbbbb$
bobbobbboobbboboobobbboobbbobbob$
obbbobbbooobobbbbbbobooobbbobbbo$
obbobobobbboboooooobobbbobobobbo$
obobobobbbooobbbbbbooobbbobobobo$
bbobbbbobbboboobboobobbbobbbbobb$
obbbbboboobboboooobobboobobbbbbo$
oboobbbobbboboboobobobbbobbboobo$
boboboobbbbbboboobobbbbbboobobob$
obobbbbbboboboboobobobobbbbbbobo$
boboobooobbbbobbbbobbbboooboobob!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
ooobbobbbbboobobboboobbbbbobbooo$
oobbboboooboboooooobobooobobbboo$
obbobbbobbobbbbbbbbbbobbobbbobbo$
bbobbobbobooboobbooboobobbobbobb$
bbbboooboobooobooboooboobooobbbb$
ooboobbboobboboooobobboobbbooboo$
bbbbobbbobbbbbobbobbbbbobbbobbbb$
boobbbboooboooboobooobooobbbboob$
boboooooboooboboobobooobooooobob$
bobboobooobbobboobbobboooboobbob$
bboobbbbobobbbboobbbbobobbbboobb$
ooboobboobbobbboobbbobboobbooboo$
obbboobobobboobbbboobboboboobbbo$
boboobboobbboboooobobbboobboobob$
ooboboobbbbbbobbbbobbbbbbooboboo$
bobboobooooobobooboboooooboobbob$
bobboobooooobobooboboooooboobbob$
ooboboobbbbbbobbbbobbbbbbooboboo$
boboobboobbboboooobobbboobboobob$
obbboobobobboobbbboobboboboobbbo$
ooboobboobbobbboobbbobboobbooboo$
bboobbbbobobbbboobbbbobobbbboobb$
bobboobooobbobboobbobboooboobbob$
boboooooboooboboobobooobooooobob$
boobbbboooboooboobooobooobbbboob$
bbbbobbbobbbbbobbobbbbbobbbobbbb$
ooboobbboobboboooobobboobbbooboo$
bbbboooboobooobooboooboobooobbbb$
bbobbobbobooboobbooboobobbobbobb$
obbobbbobbobbbbbbbbbbobbobbbobbo$
oobbboboooboboooooobobooobobbboo$
ooobbobbbbboobobboboobbbbbobbooo!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bboooooobbbbboobboobbbbboooooobb$
bobbbobbobboobboobboobbobbobbbob$
obobbobbboobooooooooboobbbobbobo$
obboooobbobbbobbbbobbbobboooobbo$
obbooboboobbobbbbbbobbooboboobbo$
oooobbboooboooobboooobooobbboooo$
obboobboooobooooooooboooobboobbo$
obbbboooboooooobboooooobooobbbbo$
bobboooboobobobooboboboobooobbob$
bboooooooboobbboobbboobooooooobb$
bbobbboobooooboooobooooboobbbobb$
bobbboboooobbbbbbbbbboooobobbbob$
booboooobbobboboobobbobbooooboob$
obooboooobbbobbbbbbobbbooooboobo$
obobbooobbobbboooobbbobbooobbobo$
boobbbobooobobobbobobooobobbboob$
boobbbobooobobobbobobooobobbboob$
obobbooobbobbboooobbbobbooobbobo$
obooboooobbbobbbbbbobbbooooboobo$
booboooobbobboboobobbobbooooboob$
bobbboboooobbbbbbbbbboooobobbbob$
bbobbboobooooboooobooooboobbbobb$
bboooooooboobbboobbboobooooooobb$
bobboooboobobobooboboboobooobbob$
obbbboooboooooobboooooobooobbbbo$
obboobboooobooooooooboooobboobbo$
oooobbboooboooobboooobooobbboooo$
obbooboboobbobbbbbbobbooboboobbo$
obboooobbobbbobbbbobbbobboooobbo$
obobbobbboobooooooooboobbbobbobo$
bobbbobbobboobboobboobbobbobbbob$
bboooooobbbbboobboobbbbboooooobb!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
obbooobbooobooobbooobooobbooobbo$
booboooobboboobbbboobobbooooboob$
boobbobooobbobboobbobbooobobboob$
obboobbbobobobobbobobobobbboobbo$
oobobbbbbooobbobbobbooobbbbboboo$
ooobboobboboboooooobobobboobbooo$
bobbbobboboobbobbobboobobbobbbob$
boobbbbboooooobooboooooobbbbboob$
oboobbooboboboobbooboboboobboobo$
oboboobooobbooobbooobboooboobobo$
oobooboobbooboobbooboobboobooboo$
bbbbooooobobbbboobbbbobooooobbbb$
oooobbbobobbobboobbobbobobbboooo$
oobbboboooobboobboobboooobobbboo$
obboooobooobbobbbbobboooboooobbo$
bbobbobobbboobbbbbboobbbobobbobb$
bbobbobobbboobbbbbboobbbobobbobb$
obboooobooobbobbbbobboooboooobbo$
oobbboboooobboobboobboooobobbboo$
oooobbbobobbobboobbobbobobbboooo$
bbbbooooobobbbboobbbbobooooobbbb$
oobooboobbooboobbooboobboobooboo$
oboboobooobbooobbooobboooboobobo$
oboobbooboboboobbooboboboobboobo$
boobbbbboooooobooboooooobbbbboob$
bobbbobboboobbobbobboobobbobbbob$
ooobboobboboboooooobobobboobbooo$
oobobbbbbooobbobbobbooobbbbboboo$
obboobbbobobobobbobobobobbboobbo$
boobbobooobbobboobbobbooobobboob$
booboooobboboobbbboobobbooooboob$
obbooobbooobooobbooobooobbooobbo!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
obobooobbbbooobbbbooobbbbooobobo$
bbbooooobbboobbbbbboobbbooooobbb$
obbbbbobboobbbbbbbbbboobbobbbbbo$
boboboooobobbbboobbbboboooobobob$
oobboooobobbbbobbobbbboboooobboo$
oobooobobbooboobbooboobboboooboo$
ooooobbooboobbboobbbooboobbooooo$
bobooooboobbbbbbbbbbbbooboooobob$
bbbobboobbbobbobbobbobbboobbobbb$
bbobobboboboboooooobobobobbobobb$
bbooboobbbobbobbbbobbobbbooboobb$
oobbbooboobobbobbobbobooboobbboo$
oobbbbbbbbbbbobbbbobbbbbbbbbbboo$
obbbbobbboobooobboooboobbbobbbbo$
bbbboobbooboboobbooboboobboobbbb$
bbbobbobbobbbbboobbbbbobbobbobbb$
bbbobbobbobbbbboobbbbbobbobbobbb$
bbbboobbooboboobbooboboobboobbbb$
obbbbobbboobooobboooboobbbobbbbo$
oobbbbbbbbbbbobbbbobbbbbbbbbbboo$
oobbbooboobobbobbobbobooboobbboo$
bbooboobbbobbobbbbobbobbbooboobb$
bbobobboboboboooooobobobobbobobb$
bbbobboobbbobbobbobbobbboobbobbb$
bobooooboobbbbbbbbbbbbooboooobob$
ooooobbooboobbboobbbooboobbooooo$
oobooobobbooboobbooboobboboooboo$
oobboooobobbbbobbobbbboboooobboo$
boboboooobobbbboobbbboboooobobob$
obbbbbobboobbbbbbbbbboobbobbbbbo$
bbbooooobbboobbbbbboobbbooooobbb$
obobooobbbbooobbbbooobbbbooobobo!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bbbobbbobbbbbbboobbbbbbbobbbobbb$
bobboobbbbooobobbobooobbbboobbob$
bbobbobbbooobobbbbobooobbbobbobb$
obbobbobbooobobbbbobooobbobbobbo$
bobbboboobbbboobboobbbboobobbbob$
booboboobobbbobbbbobbbobooboboob$
bbbobobobboooobooboooobbobobobbb$
obbbooobobobobobbobobobobooobbbo$
bbbbobbobboboobbbboobobbobbobbbb$
bboobobbbooboobbbbooboobbboboobb$
booobboooobobobbbboboboooobbooob$
booobbobbbobboboobobbobbbobbooob$
bobbbboooobboooooooobboooobbbbob$
bbooooobooooobboobbooooobooooobb$
bobbobbobbbbobobbobobbbbobbobbob$
obbbbbobbbbooobbbbooobbbbobbbbbo$
obbbbbobbbbooobbbbooobbbbobbbbbo$
bobbobbobbbbobobbobobbbbobbobbob$
bbooooobooooobboobbooooobooooobb$
bobbbboooobboooooooobboooobbbbob$
booobbobbbobboboobobbobbbobbooob$
booobboooobobobbbboboboooobbooob$
bboobobbbooboobbbbooboobbboboobb$
bbbbobbobboboobbbboobobbobbobbbb$
obbbooobobobobobbobobobobooobbbo$
bbbobobobboooobooboooobbobobobbb$
booboboobobbbobbbbobbbobooboboob$
bobbboboobbbboobboobbbboobobbbob$
obbobbobbooobobbbbobooobbobbobbo$
bbobbobbbooobobbbbobooobbbobbobb$
bobboobbbbooobobbobooobbbboobbob$
bbbobbbobbbbbbboobbbbbbbobbbobbb!


x = 32, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
bobbbbboobbbbboooobbbbboobbbbbob$
obboooobbobbbobbbbobbbobboooobbo$
bbboooooooboobobboboobooooooobbb$
boobooobbbbbboobboobbbbbboooboob$
boooooooooboooooooooobooooooooob$
booooooooboobbbbbbbbooboooooooob$
boooooobooooobboobboooooboooooob$
obobooboboboobboobbooboboboobobo$
obobooobobboobobboboobbobooobobo$
booboboobobboooooooobbobooboboob$
bbbbboobbbboobbbbbboobbbboobbbbb$
bbobooooobobbbboobbbbobooooobobb$
bbobobooooobobboobbobooooobobobb$
boboobbbbobbbbbbbbbbbbobbbboobob$
obooobbboobbbbobbobbbboobbbooobo$
obbbobooboboobbbbbbooboboobobbbo$
obbbobooboboobbbbbbooboboobobbbo$
obooobbboobbbbobbobbbboobbbooobo$
boboobbbbobbbbbbbbbbbbobbbboobob$
bbobobooooobobboobbobooooobobobb$
bbobooooobobbbboobbbbobooooobobb$
bbbbboobbbboobbbbbboobbbboobbbbb$
booboboobobboooooooobbobooboboob$
obobooobobboobobboboobbobooobobo$
obobooboboboobboobbooboboboobobo$
boooooobooooobboobboooooboooooob$
booooooooboobbbbbbbbooboooooooob$
boooooooooboooooooooobooooooooob$
boobooobbbbbboobboobbbbbboooboob$
bbboooooooboobobboboobooooooobbb$
obboooobbobbbobbbbobbbobboooobbo$
bobbbbboobbbbboooobbbbboobbbbbob!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby dvgrn » January 3rd, 2019, 10:34 am

The 1000-tick barrier has finally been broken for 16x16 diehards:

#N messless1041
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
o2b2ob2o2bobobo$2b7o2bo$o3b4o4b4o$obob5obobobo$b3o3b2o5b2o$2b4ob2ob3ob
2o$b2o2b3ob3ob2o$b2o2bob3obob2o$b5obob2ob2o$b2obo4b2ob2o$bo2b2o5b3obo$
obob2ob2ob3obo$2ob5obob2o$2obobo2b6o$b5ob2obobo$o11b2obo!

Obviously the initial population can be reduced somewhat. Around T=230-260, or farther back around T=140, looks like a decent target for a glider synthesis, but I'm not sure exactly what the point would be of building nothing so inefficiently.

EDIT: Fixed quoted pattern. @Macbi and @Saka, thanks for pointing out the problem.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Macbi » January 3rd, 2019, 10:43 am

I think you put the wrong pattern in the codeblock. That one only lasts for 936 generations.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Dannyu NDos » January 6th, 2019, 3:29 am

Has anyone noticed a variant of 28P7.2 emerged?:
http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp7_0cai3y18oz65111whjldzy31/b3s23
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Re: Soup search results

Postby gmc_nxtman » January 13th, 2019, 1:56 am

Two almost-complete syntheses:

x = 134, y = 82, rule = LifeHistory
98.A$98.A.A$98.2A$32.A29.3A29.3A$31.A.A74.A$31.A.A74.A.A$32.A75.2A$
64.A.A.2A26.A.A.2A26.A.A.2A$27.2A7.2A25.A.3A.A5.A19.A.3A.A5.A19.A.3A.
A$26.A2.A5.A2.A24.A11.A19.A11.A19.A$27.2A7.2A26.A.2A.A5.A20.A.2A.A5.A
20.A.2A.A$65.2A.2A27.2A.2A27.2A.2A$32.A$31.A.A$31.A.A10.A$32.A10.A$
43.3A6.3A$52.A$53.A$44.3A$34.D9.A$35.D9.A$32.2D.D$32.3D$32.2D5$33.3D.
3D$30.D4.D.D$29.3D.3D.3D$30.D4.D3.D$33.3D.3D6$3A$2.A$.A10$56.2A23.2A
30.2A$55.A2.A21.A2.A28.A2.A$55.A.2A21.A.2A28.A.2A$54.2A23.2A30.2A$53.
A2.3A19.A2.3A26.A2.3A$23.D29.A.A2.A19.A.A2.A26.A.A2.A$22.D.D3.D25.2A
23.2A30.2A$22.D.2D.3D$23.D.2D2.2D$26.3D10$57.2A23.2A$57.2A23.2A$19.2A
2.2A54.2A$18.A.A2.A.A52.A.A$20.A2.A56.A3$12.2A15.D3.D2.D.D$13.2A10.D
2.2D2.2D2.D.D$12.A11.3D2.D3.D2.3D$25.D3.D3.D4.D$28.3D.3D3.D!


In the second synthesis, the missing object is just a beehive + B-heptomino. I don't know if either of these would end up being improvements, but it seems likely for the top one, and reasonable for the bottom.
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Re: Soup search results

Postby cordership3 » January 14th, 2019, 11:44 am

The first yl1536, found by an anonymous user:
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
oooobobbbboooobo$
oboobbobooobbooo$
obobbbobooooobob$
oboobobbbooooobo$
ooobobobobobbobo$
bobooooobobboboo$
booboooooooobbob$
oobboboobbobobob$
bbobobbbbooooooo$
oobbobbobboboboo$
bobobbbbbbboobob$
oboobobbobobboob$
obbbobbobbooooob$
bbbbbbbooooobobb$
booobobbbobooobb$
oooobbbbbbbbbboo!
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Re: Soup search results

Postby Billabob » Yesterday, 1:22 pm

A 1058-gen diehard popped up in C1, beating the previous record of 1041:

x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
bbobbbbboboooooo$
bobbboooboobbboo$
ooobobooooobbobo$
bbboboobobboobob$
ooooooobbooooobo$
bobobboboooboobo$
oobooooooooobobo$
ooboobobobbobbbo$
bboboooooobbbobb$
bboooobbobbbobbb$
bobboooobbbbbbbb$
boobobooboboobbb$
oooooobbboboboob$
obboobobooobbooo$
oooooobooboboboo$
ooobbbobbobbooob!


Found by one of Dave Greene's instances. Its evolution only crosses over with the 1041-gen diehard when it becomes a domino spark on generation 1057. Haul
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