Can we make pre-pulsar shuttle-based guns?

[simsim314]

@Sokwe Thx! Another great tip. It would be nice to integrade the whole proccess:

1. Select pattern in golly and run python script.
2. Choose search parameters.
3. Run bellman.
4. Analyze bellman resultst with lifesrc (or mkstill).
5. Show results inside golly again.

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@codeholic I think you just get all results and see what is the one with minimal population.

[Sokwe]

Would you please explain how you do that exactly? I mean, how you ensure that the solution you found is minimal.

In JLS under "search options" in the "constraints" tab, there is a filter: "no more than X ON cells in generation 0". I then test various X until I find the one that's minimal. When minimizing a large asymmetric billiard table, the searches can take too long, so I can't always verify my minimal solution, but for smaller things, like these Bellman results, I think I can be reasonably confident that the solutions are minimal.

[simsim314]

@codeholic I've just now noticed your bellman input post. Many thx!

[biggiemac]

Nobody ever posted the p29 glider loops based on the PPS reflectors - I was surprised to see they existed.

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x = 173, y = 84, rule = B3/S23
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17bob2o$40bo17bo70bo22bo$39b2o87b2o13b3o5b2o$58bo84bobo$42bo8b3o3bobo
71bo5b3o3b3o$41bobo7bobo3bobo70bobo4bobo$37b2o2b2o8b3o4bo40b2o25b2o2b
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2o5b2o41bo38b2o5b2o$22b2o34b2o5b2o5bo26b2o13bo35bo3b2o5bo$9bo11bobo46b
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obo48b2o$16b2o48bobo5bo30b2o48bobo6bo$12b2o46bo6bo5bobo25b2o7b3o43bo5b
3o$11bobo46bobo11bo25bobo7bo50bo$11bo5b2o5b2o34b2o38bo5b2o3bo35bo13b2o
$10b2o5b2o5bobo72b2o5b2o38bo$24bo121b3o$155b3o$150b2o3bobo6b2o$54bo63b
2o30b2o3b3o6b2o$52b2o6b2o4b3o3b3o4b2o36b2o$32bo20b2o5bo5bobo3bobo5bo
38bo$31b2o24b2obo5b3o3b3o5bob2o55bobo26b2o$31bobo23bo2bob2o13b2obo2bo
55b2o16b3o9bo$59b2obo15bob2o58bo11bo4bobo9bob2o$62bo15bo72bobo3b3o8b2o
2bo$29b2o15bo15b2o3b2o3b2o3b2o46b2o25bo12bo4b2o$30bo14bo20bo2bobo2bo
50bobo37b5o$28bo16b3o19b2o3b2o51bo37b2o4bo$28b5o5b3o91bo31bo2b2o$32bo
5bo83b2o8bobo29bobo$26b4o9bo76bo5b2o8b2o25bo2bobobo$26bo2bo85bobo41b4o
b2o$116bo46bo$45b2o87b2o25bobo$25bo4b3o8b2o2b2o75b3o5b2o2b2o25b2o$24bo
bo3bobo7bobo79bobo4bobo$24bobo3b3o8bo74b3o3b3o5bo$25bo90bobo$43b2o64b
2o5b3o13b2o$25bo17bo65bo22bo$24bobo3b3o11b3o59b2obo17b2o4b3o$24bobo3bo
bo7bo5bo59bo2b2o16bobo5bo$25bo4b3o6bobo65b2o4bo15bo$40bo68b5o8b2o5b2o$
109bo4b2o6b2o$26bo2bo80b2o2bo$26b4o82bobo$32bo79bobobo2bo$28b5o80b2ob
4o$28bo86bo$30bo84bobo$29b2o85b2o!

Left- dependent reflector, right - independent.

I don't know if this has any chance of improving a p29 gun, but it is relevant.

[codeholic]

I don't know if this has any chance of improving a p29 gun, but it is relevant.

There is no known p29 glider gun, or did I miss something dramatically?

[Scorbie]

Nobody ever posted the p29 glider loops based on the PPS reflectors - I was surprised to see they existed.

Sorry to say this, but I think somebody posted this before...
Edit: It's in the osc-supplement.zip in GoL status update thread, but I haven't seen the left one before!

[biggiemac]

I suppose what I said was unclear, neither were discovered by me. I just felt that they were relevant to the thread, because if someone could find a p29 nG->(n+1)G reaction this would help reroute everything, and I didn't know how many people had even been aware these reflectors existed.

There's no true-period 29 gun yet, there is a pseudo-period 29 gun (I think the best comes from p145).