The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 22nd, 2015, 3:15 pm

dvgrn wrote:If I could make a suggestion for this thread: it would be very useful if posts of candidate additions to the elementary-conduits collection could also each include a second pattern showing a sample way to connect up the inputs and outputs to other known conduits.
I would agree, but many times when I find something that looks useful I'm not sure at all if it connects or not. Many times people find in thread here new way to connect as well. So I would agree that if the way to connect is not trivial, it would be nice if people just mention in the post that they had hard time to connect.

Anyway dvgrn can you please comment on new Chris finding here, it H->G9 and H->B both look pretty interesting.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sokwe » May 22nd, 2015, 4:25 pm

dvgrn wrote:Currently RF29Pi variants can only be used in one extraordinarily unlikely-looking still-not-quite-Spartan H-to-G converter.
There's an alternative B->G that also works here:

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x = 48, y = 70, rule = LifeHistory
45.A$43.3A$42.A$42.2A3$26.2A14.2A$27.A14.A.A$27.A.A13.A$28.2A9$7.A$7.
3A5.2A$10.A4.2A$9.2A2$18.D27.A$10.2A7.D25.A.A$10.2A3.3D.2D25.2A$15.D.
3D$15.D.2D2$10.2A$10.2A11.2A$23.2A3$35.2A7.D$9.A26.A5.D.D$8.A.A22.3A
7.2D$9.A7.D6.2A7.A$16.3D5.2A$16.D8$24.2A$24.2A12$C$C.C20.2A$3C20.A$2.
C10.2A3.2A4.3A$11.A2.A4.A6.A$11.3A5.A.A$20.2A$11.3A$11.A2.A$13.2A!
On an unrelated note, I seem to remember a new H->Pi (from within the last month), but now I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simeks » May 22nd, 2015, 4:45 pm

On an unrelated note, I seem to remember a new H->Pi (from within the last month), but now I can't find it anywhere. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?
Do you mean this one by chris_c?

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sokwe » May 22nd, 2015, 4:54 pm

simeks wrote:Do you mean this one by chris_c?
Yes, that's the one! I don't know why I was having such a hard time finding it.

Edit: here are two new (bulky) B->G based on a transparent boat reaction found by Kazyan (from here):

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x = 52, y = 75, rule = LifeHistory
41.D$41.2D5.2A$24.A15.D.D5.A$24.3A19.A.A$27.A18.2A$26.2A5$19.2A$9.2A
8.2A$9.2A36.2A$47.A.A$48.2A$2A$2A3$40.A$26.2A11.A.A$2.C23.2A12.2A$3.C
$3.2C$2.2C$2.C2$7.2A13.2A$7.2A13.A$20.A.A$20.2A2$16.2A$15.A.A$16.A15$
48.2A$19.2A27.2A$9.2A8.2A$9.2A3$2A$2A3$40.A$26.2A11.A.A$2.C23.2A12.2A
8.D$3.C47.D$3.2C44.3D$2.2C$2.C2$7.2A13.2A$7.2A13.A$20.A.A$20.2A2$16.
2A$15.A.A$16.A!
The central reaction can be chained like so:

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x = 109, y = 47, rule = LifeHistory
105.2A$76.2A27.2A$66.2A8.2A$66.2A5$57.2A$47.2A8.2A$47.2A48.A$83.2A11.
A.A$83.2A12.2A8.D$108.D$106.3D$38.2A$28.2A8.2A$28.2A$64.2A13.2A$64.2A
13.A$77.A.A$77.2A$19.2A$9.2A8.2A52.2A$9.2A61.A.A$45.2A13.2A11.A$45.2A
13.A$2A56.A.A$2A56.2A2$54.2A$53.A.A$26.2A13.2A11.A$2.C23.2A13.A$3.C
35.A.A$3.2C34.2A$2.2C$2.C32.2A$34.A.A$7.2A13.2A11.A$7.2A13.A$20.A.A$
20.2A2$16.2A$15.A.A$16.A!
One of the blocks is actually used to suppress a century, but I don't think there's enough room to get anything out of it:

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x = 52, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
48.2A$19.2A27.2A$19.2A$9.3D$9.D.D$9.D2.D$2A9.2D$2A3$40.A$26.2A11.A.A$
2.C23.2A12.2A8.D$3.C47.D$3.2C44.3D$2.2C$2.C2$7.2A13.2A$7.2A13.A$20.A.
A$20.2A2$16.2A$15.A.A$16.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sphenocorona » May 22nd, 2015, 8:03 pm

dvgrn wrote:It appears that this latest R-to-pi shares the same limitation as the table-and-block version.
This link appears to be wrong, as that post is nowhere near one with a table-on-block and block.

Anyway, it's nice to know about the new variant, because if other uses ever come up, then we have more than just one bounding box option available for use.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sokwe » May 23rd, 2015, 4:22 am

A new B->H, but its probably too bulky to be useful:

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x = 60, y = 60, rule = LifeHistory
16.A$15.A.A$16.2A2$20.2A$20.A.A$7.2A13.A$7.2A13.2A2$2.C$2.2C$3.2C17.
2A$3.C18.A.A5.A$2.C20.A4.3A$27.A$27.2A3$2A$2A17$56.3D$57.D$57.3D3$46.
2A$46.2A2$16.2A.2A$17.A.A$15.A.A.A.A$15.2A3.2A$56.2A$56.2A2$21.A$19.
3A$18.A37.2A$18.2A36.2A2$22.2A23.2A$21.A.A12.2A9.2A$21.A14.2A$20.2A!
Edit: this B->H->B connection can also be made, but it's not much better:

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x = 46, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
22.A$21.A.A$22.2A2$26.2A$26.A.A$13.2A13.A$13.2A13.2A2$8.C$8.2C$9.2C
17.2A$9.C18.A.A5.A$8.C20.A4.3A$33.A$33.2A3$6.2A$6.2A2$6.4A31.2A$6.A3.
A30.A$9.A.A27.A.A$10.A28.2A3$11.2A$4.A6.2A$4.3A$7.A$6.2A11.D$19.3D22.
2A$19.D.D22.2A$21.D2$2.D$.D$2D$.2D$2.D4$10.2A$10.A$11.3A7.2A$13.A7.2A
$31.A$30.A.A$30.A.A$31.A3$25.2A$24.A.A$24.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » May 23rd, 2015, 10:33 am

Do we have this one? B->Pi. The output hooks up to a Pi->B, but not much else.

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x = 14, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$3bo$3bobo$4b2o4bob2o$2o8b3o$bo9bo$bobo$2b2o2$5b2o$5b2o4$5b2o$5b2o
3$4b2o$5bo4b2o$2b3o5b2o$2bo!
EDIT: Another B->Pi. I don't know if it can hook up to anything.

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x = 12, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$6bobo$8bo$8bob2o$6bobob2o$6b2o$ob2o$3o$bo5$3b2o$3bo$4b3o$6bo!
EDIT: Might be a B->G if I can get Bellman to clear out one half of the bi-block.

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x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
2b2obo$3b3o$4bo6$2o$2o3$2b2o$2b2o5b2o$9b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » May 23rd, 2015, 11:22 am

simsim314 wrote:Anyway dvgrn can you please comment on new Chris finding here, it H->G9 and H->B both look pretty interesting.
The H-to-G9 will be great as soon as someone comes up with a use for a G9 tandem glider. I'm sure there's something out there. Interestingly, it looks like the most recent non-Spartan receiver is a G2/G5/G6 just like the original receiver, missing only the "G-minus-2" option because there isn't a lucky block in the right place this time.

It's really nice to see more dependent conduits appearing. We had collected quite a number of conduits that couldn't be followed by a standard first-natural-glider output -- there wasn't room to catch that glider, so it had to be suppressed. Until recently that really limited the likelihood of those conduits actually showing up in a Hersrch search as an actual solution to anything, because we only had the F166 and the Lx200 available to connect to them.

Now that we have options like this F256, and also the new B-to-B which can replace the usual block+snake termination of the F166 to make various new Herschel conduits, it seems as if that whole needs-following-dependent-conduit suite of circuits might start to become more useful -- especially in Spartan circuitry, where there aren't all that many other options available.

The F256 recovers in 158 ticks, which is not as good as the old dependent conduits -- 115 ticks for F166, and way down at 90 ticks for the Lx200 -- but it's not bad at all, definitely well within the useful range for self-constructing circuitry.
Sphenocorona wrote:This link appears to be wrong, as that post is nowhere near one with a table-on-block and block.
No, it really is there -- the last pattern in the message shows one of the few known uses for the table-on-block RF29Pi -- the ' "relatively nice" R->Pi->B->G'.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Extrementhusiast » May 23rd, 2015, 5:36 pm

Partial B-to-H needs some cleanup) using that other transparent block:

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x = 39, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
4$7.3D$8.D$6.3D5$32.A$31.A.A$31.A.A$30.2A.3A$36.A$30.2A.3A$30.2A.A5$
32.2A$32.2A7$30.2A.A$30.2A.3A$36.A$30.2A.3A$31.A.A$31.A.A$32.A3$23.2C
$4.2A17.2C$4.2A2$18.C$17.3C$17.C.2C!
The lower right eater 2 can be replaced with a standard eater if followed by a dependent conduit.

EDIT: Done:

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x = 47, y = 42, rule = LifeHistory
17.3D$18.D$16.3D$6.2A$6.A$4.A.A$2.3A.2A$.A40.A$2.3A.2A33.A.A$4.A.2A
33.A.A$40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A$40.2A.A2$2A$2A2$42.2A$42.2A7$40.2A.A$
40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A$41.A.A$41.A.A$42.A3$33.2C$14.2A17.2C$14.2A2$
28.C$27.3C$27.C.2C!
EDIT 2: This actually removes the dependency:

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x = 47, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
28.2A$23.2A2.A2.A$17.3D3.A.A2.2A$18.D7.2A$16.3D8.A$6.2A16.A2.A.2A$6.A
16.A.A.A2.A$4.A.A17.2A.2A$2.3A.2A$.A40.A$2.3A.2A33.A.A$4.A.2A33.A.A$
40.2A.3A$46.A$40.2A.3A$40.2A.A2$2A$2A2$42.2A$42.2A7$40.2A$40.A$41.3A$
43.A6$33.2C$14.2A17.2C$14.2A2$28.C$27.3C$27.C.2C!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » May 23rd, 2015, 6:24 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Partial B-to-H needs some cleanup) using that other transparent block...
EDIT: Done...
EDIT 2: This actually removes the dependency...
Impressive. A new BF187H... repeat time 169 for this variant -- not too shabby. The last from-the-side eater does block the otherwise transparent output lane, though.

I was hoping that an R64 plus some dependent conduit would give a tandem-glider output in passing without using up the Herschel, but no such luck -- one of the eater2s is stubbornly in the way of all the dependent-conduit catalysts, it looks like.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sokwe » May 23rd, 2015, 7:08 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Partial B-to-H (needs some cleanup) using that other transparent block...
Done.
Finally! Perhaps most importantly, it works with the Pi->B:

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x = 47, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
24.2A$24.A$22.A.A$18.2A2.2A$18.2A4$16.3E4.2A$18.E4.2A$16.3E$16.2D2.D$
17.3D$18.D2$31.2A$12.2C17.2A$12.2C6$3.A$3.3A$6.A$5.2A7$3.2A$3.2A2$45.
2A$45.2A2$3.A.2A$.3A.2A$A$.3A.2A$3.A.A33.2A.A$3.A.A33.2A.3A$4.A40.A$
39.2A.3A$18.2A.2A17.A.A$16.A2.A.A.A16.A$16.2A.A2.A16.2A$19.A8.3D$19.
2A7.D$17.2A2.A.A3.3D$16.A2.A2.2A$17.2A!
I also love the use of the table-variant eater 2, since it combines nicely with both standard eater positions in the following conduit.

Of course, I would still like to see a spartan B->X using that transparent block.
Edit: this might be a potential starting place for a spartan B->X, but regrettably, it won't work with the Pi->B:

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x = 23, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
4bo$4b3o$7bo$6b2o4$2o$2o9$4b2o$5b2o$4b2o$4bo3$9b2o$9b2o8$21b2o$22bo$
19b3o$19bo!
Kazyan wrote:Do we have this one? B->Pi.
This was found a few years ago by Guam.
Kazyan wrote:Another B->Pi.
The B+dock reaction looks new and might be worth investigating, but I doubt we could get anything out of this particular B->Pi.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 23rd, 2015, 7:54 pm

I'm not sure if this tick-tock is know or useful:

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x = 58, y = 47, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o18$46b2o$46b2o8b2o$37b2o17bo$37b2o15bobo$54b2o2$41b2o$41b2o7$
52b3o$52bo$53bo6$29b2o$28bobo15b2o$28bo17b2o$27b2o8b2o$37b2o!
Another one:

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x = 52, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o12$27b2o$27b2o2$42b2o$42b2o6b2o$50bo$48bobo$48b2o2$37b2o$37b
2o7$48b3o$21b2o25bo$20bobo26bo$20bo$19b2o6b2o$27b2o2$42b2o$42b2o!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Kazyan » May 23rd, 2015, 9:47 pm

H -> G2 + Pi (currently inaccessible)

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x = 46, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
33.3D$33.DBD2B$32.BDBD3B.B$32.6B.B2A$31.9B2A$31.7B.2B$21.2A7.8B$22.A
7.9B$22.A.AB3.10B$23.2AB2.12B$25.16B$25.18B.2A$25.18BA.A$26.18BA$22.B
.20B$21.2AB.19B$21.2A19B$22.B.17B$24.16B$24.16B$24.15B$24.14B$24.13B$
24.12B$23.12B$23.11B$15.2A6.10B$16.A7.9B$16.A.AB4.9B.2B$17.2AB.14B2A$
19.16B2A$19.14B.2B$20.13B$19.14B.2B$17.18B2A$15.18B.B2A$15.2BA15B2.B$
14.3BABA4B.8B$15.2B3A4B2.7B$14.5BA4B2.7B$13.10B3.7B$12.6B9.7B$11.6B
10.7B$10.6B11.6B$9.6B13.5B$8.6B13.5B$7.6B14.5B$6.6B16.3B$5.6B16.4B$4.
6B16.4B$3.6B18.B2AB$2.6B20.2A$.6B$6B$5B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by chris_c » May 23rd, 2015, 10:01 pm

I was working on updating the conduit collection but when I realised that I would have to start shifting things around to add the new QB conduits I took the drastic step of making a script to do the job automatically.

(Slightly updated May 25)
Conduit Collection.rle.gz
(58.13 KiB) Downloaded 344 times
conduit_compiler.zip
(89.65 KiB) Downloaded 339 times
There are some formatting options in the conduit_compiler script but I thought 5 columns worked best. The data for each conduit is in a separate file which I think makes things easier to manage. The filename of a conduit needs to be of the form "input_output_index.rle". All conduits to do with glider pairs are sorted to the end of the list. If you make conduits that contain letters other than those already present then the script will crash (dvgrn: where did you get that font from?)

I tried to add everything in this thread since May 3rd but quite possibly I missed some stuff. One new thing that I found myself is the following B->G which uses simsim's B->B as the initial catalysis:

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x = 29, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
4B$.4B18.2A$2.4B8.2A6.B2AB$3.4B6.B2AB5.3B$4.4B5.3B7.B$5.4B5.B.2B3.5B$
6.6BC10BA4B$6.7BC8BABA4B$5.8B2C7BABA4B$5.7B2C9BA4B$6.6BC13B$8.16B$11.
13B$11.12B$11.13B$11.12B$12.10B$14.8B2.B$17.5B.B2A$17.7B2A$17.6B.B$
17.5B$16.4B$16.2AB$17.A$14.3A$14.A!
Some other notable things I noticed when trawling through the old posts... this B->2G can be used to make a Spartan H->G0 with spare glider output:

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x = 48, y = 57, rule = LifeHistory
4B$.4B$2.4B$3.4B$4.4B$5.4B$6.4B$7.4B11.2A4.B$8.4B10.A.A2.4B$9.4B10.A
7B15.2A$10.4B11.6B8.BA5.A$11.4B10.7B3.4BABA.BA.A$12.4B.B5.17B2A.B2A$
13.31B$13.31B$13.30B$13.28B$14.26B$12.2AB2.22B$11.A.AB3.21B.2B$11.A5.
24B2A$10.2A5.24B2A$16.23B.2B$16.23B$17.20B$17.16B$17.15B$17.14B$16.
14B$15.15B$16.2A13B$16.2A14B$17.14B$17.11B$18.4BD3B$7.2A9.3B3D2B$8.A
9.2B2D2BD4.2A$8.A.AB5.8B4.A$9.2AB.12B.BA.A$11.14B.B2A$11.16B$12.14B$
11.16B$9.18B$7.19B$7.2BC15B$6.3BCBC4B.7B$7.2B3C4B2.6B$6.5BC4B3.6B$5.
10B6.4B$4.4B12.B2A2B$3.4B14.2A.B2A$2.4B18.BA.A$2.2A23.A$3.A23.2A$3A$A
!
This R->G can be used to give a H->G2:

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x = 55, y = 64, rule = LifeHistory
20.4B$21.4B$22.4B$23.4B$24.4B$25.4B$26.4B$27.4B$28.4B$29.4B8.2A$30.4B
6.B2AB8.2A$31.4B6.2B2.2B5.A$32.4B3.9B.BA.A$33.4B2.9B.B2A$34.4B.11B$
35.16B$36.12B2A$37.4BD6B2A$38.3B2D7B$39.B2D8B$38.13B$38.13B$38.11B.B
2A$38.9B3.BA.A$32.2A4.9B6.A$31.B2AB2.10B6.2A$31.4B.12B$27.2B.20B$26.
2A22B$26.2A22B$27.B.21B$30.19B$29.19B$29.19B.B$29.20B2A$28.19B.B2A$
26.20B3.B$26.2BC15B$25.3BCBC14B$24.4B3C13B$23.7BC14B$22.26B$21.6B4.
18B4.2A$20.6B7.17B.BA.A$19.6B8.19B2A$18.6B10.19B$17.6B10.20B$16.6B11.
20B$15.6B12.13B2A4B$14.6B13.12BA2BA5B$13.6B15.11BABA5B2A$12.6B17.11BA
6B2A$11.6B19.18B$10.6B18.20B$9.6B19.2A.9B2.2B$8.6B21.A4.6B$7.6B19.3A
7.3B$6.6B20.A7.5B$5.6B29.2A$4.6B31.A$3.6B29.3A$2.6B30.A$.6B$6B!
This R->G is compatible with the question marked Pi->R in the most recent conduit collection. Unfortunately the resulting Pi->G doesn't seem to be compatible with anything else (yet).

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x = 31, y = 30, rule = LifeHistory
B$2B11.B$3B9.3B$4B8.3B$.4B6.5B$2.4B4.7B$3.20B$4.19B$5.22B2.B$4.23B.B
2A$4.25B2A$4.23B.2B$4.23B$5.22B$5.4B3C6BD7B$7.4BC4B3D5B$7.2B3C5BD6B$
8.16B$7.17B4.2A$6.17B5.A$7.17B.BA.A$8.16B.B2A$8.18B$8.2A5.11B$9.A6.3B
2A5B$6.3A6.3BA2BA4B$6.A7.4BA2BA5B$14.5B2A6B$15.11B$17.B.2B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Extrementhusiast » May 23rd, 2015, 11:17 pm

chris_c wrote:(dvgrn: where did you get that font from?)
It looks like Courier New (or original Courier), so I think he copy/pasted a screenshot from Word or something like that.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 24th, 2015, 4:35 am

Chris great job! Few things:

1. If you find new setup to emit H -> Gn, please add it to the collection - just paint it yellow. We don't have now many ways to do this kind of tandem stuff.

2. I remember someone posted here new H->G2

3. The miscellaneous although not useful but interesting.

4. Kazyan has posted non spartan version of G2/5/6 -> H converter.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sokwe » May 24th, 2015, 6:10 am

Thanks Chris! Here are a few suggested additions:

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x = 1581, y = 98, rule = LifeHistory
490.B$489.3D$489.BDB$488.2B3D$488.5B$488.6B$488.6B$488.5B957.2B2.2B2.
B$487.6B955.D11B$488.6B952.DBD12B2.B$487.8B950.B3D9B2EB.B2E$487.9B
950.D11B2E3B2E$487.9B952.14B.B$488.B2E7B952.4B.7B$487.2B2E8B952.4B.7B
$487.12B953.12B$488.10B955.11B$488.10B14.2B940.9B.3B$488.11B12.4B940.
12B$487.13B11.4B937.2B.11B2E$486.15B9.6B2.B761.4B167.2E13B2E$106.A
380.15B8.2B2E2B.B2E761.4B166.2EB.10B.B$104.3A379.17B3.B.3BE2BE3B2E
762.4B166.B2.10B$103.A382.18B.7B2E2B.2B764.4B9.2A157.9B$103.2A379.32B
768.4B6.2B2AB155.10B$101.4B377.4BE28B770.4B5.4B155.11B$94.2A4.3B378.
4BEBE27B771.4B4.6B152.11B$93.B2AB3.3B2A376.4BEBE27B772.4B4.6B45.2A11.
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6BAB114.4B127.5B128.5B3.2B.B4.B2.13B.B771.13B44.B2AB.2B3.A92.19B88.2E
$4.2A86.13B114.4B127.8B91.4B33.B7.3B6.12B.B2E148.2A621.13B44.B.6B.2A
4.B85.19B2E86.B2E2B$3.B2AB85.13B113.4B127.10B89.4B33.3B5.B2EB6.14B2E
148.A.A63.2A550.2A4.12B42.13B3.2B84.4B.15B2E87.4B$3.3B85.14B112.4B4.
2A49.4B69.11B87.4B33.B2EB6.2E8.11B.2B150.AB63.A.A549.A.A4.11B41.12B4.
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8.4B4.5B$8B5.2A76.13B51.8B38.3A11.4B3.BA.A48.4B61.22B2A67.A14.4B5.A
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23B.B2E5B$4.8B2D3B2A3B58.27B28.4BD15B3.4B23.B9.4B2.22B.2A25.B2AB4.22B
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A35.16B59.2E10.23B4.BE2.E4.E6.E58.E11.27B2.8B.B$7.10B.3B2.4B50.2BD23B
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13B99.20B$66.4B343.2A10B3.A65.4B13.4B68.15B.2B48.A10.20B34.2A11.19B
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54.9B2.B65.15BD6B92.13B3D9B$910.2DBD3B.2B.2A37.6B10.7B62.A4.8B62.2A
70.A.AB.2B2AB65.4B54.4B.4B69.21B93.15BD6B$911.B2D3B4.A37.6B11.6B67.2A
B.4B135.A6.2A65.4B54.4B4.B71.19B94.21B$913.3B6.3A33.6B13.5B66.A.AB.2B
2AB133.2A72.4B54.4B78.16B97.19B$924.A32.6B13.5B67.A6.2A207.4B54.4B81.
8B.3B100.16B$956.6B14.5B66.2A272.4B81.8B2.5B100.8B.3B$955.6B16.3B340.
4B81.10B4.2E99.8B2.5B$954.6B16.4B339.4B83.9B4.E99.10B4.2E$953.6B16.4B
339.4B83.9B2E4.3E97.9B4.E$952.6B18.B2AB424.8B.B2E6.E96.9B2E4.3E$951.
6B20.2A424.9B2.B103.8B.B2E6.E$950.6B446.4B.4B106.9B2.B$949.6B446.4B4.
B106.4B.4B$1400.4B111.4B4.B$1399.4B111.4B$1398.4B111.4B$1397.4B111.4B
$1396.4B111.4B$1395.4B111.4B!
Some of these are just slight variants of conduits that are already in the collection. The last 4 probably aren't very useful, since I think they can only follow HF171.

There are some other issues with the collection (e.g., b_g_01.rle is an H->B instead of B->G), but I'm not up to finding them all right now.

Edit: here is a pi->C, but it's almost certainly useless since there is not enough room to place the input pi:

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x = 27, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
15.2A$15.2A4$3D$D.D12.3C$D2.D11.C.C$2.2D11.C.C$25.A$24.A.A$9.A.A13.2A
$8.A.2A$8.A$7.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 24th, 2015, 6:47 am

Couldn't finish this Pi->G:

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x = 24, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
C$3C$3.C$2.2C4$3.2C$3.2C13.2C$18.2C$22.2C$22.C$20.C.C$20.2C$8.3C$10.C
$8.3C!
EDIT Finished using bellman (but it seems this configuration of pi is not reachable):

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x = 24, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
o$3o$3bo$2b2o4$3b2o$3b2o13b2o$18b2o$22b2o$22bo$20bobo$20b2o$8b3o$10bo$
8b3o10$2o$obo$2bo$2b2o2$bob3o$b2o3bo$4bobo2bobo$b4o2b3ob3o$bo3b2o7bo$
4bo2bo5b2o$5b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by chris_c » May 24th, 2015, 6:55 am

Sokwe wrote: There are some other issues with the collection (e.g., b_g_01.rle is an H->B instead of B->G), but I'm not up to finding them all right now.
Thanks, you're right. b_g_01.rle should be as follows:

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x = 36, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
4.B$3.3B$3.2A3B$.BA.A3B$2B2A.4B$.4B.3B$2.9B5.2A$2.9B5.A$4.7B2.BA.A$5.
7B.B2A10.2A$4.10B12.A$5.9B5.2B2.BA.A$4.11B3.6B2A$4.10BD10B$5.10BD8B$
7.8B2D3B2A3B$8.6B2D3BA2BA3B$8.6BD5B2A5B$10.B.16B$9.13B3.4B$10.10B.3B
2.4B$11.9B2.2A3.4B$13.6B3.A5.4B$11.5B7.3A3.4B$11.2A12.A4.4B$12.A18.4B
$9.3A20.4B$9.A23.3B$34.2B!
But I'm not going to get round to adding any more conduits until I sort out Scot Ellison's (very welcome) deluge of glider guns in the other thread. Really it shouldn't be hard for anyone to add new conduits and if N people work on the task at the same time the only thing they need to agree upon is the index number for any new additions.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by dvgrn » May 24th, 2015, 12:46 pm

chris_c wrote:(dvgrn: where did you get that font from?)
The conduit compiler looks like a great improvement over the ad-hoc layout I had come up with. If I recall correctly, the font is just 72-point Courier New, copied from MS Paint. Now that it's easy to substitute another font via the script, though, I'm definitely considering replacing it with a thinner sans-serif font that's a little easier to read when the whole collection is visible.
chris_c wrote:Really it shouldn't be hard for anyone to add new conduits and if N people work on the task at the same time the only thing they need to agree upon is the index number for any new additions.
I've been making a few additions to my own copy of the collection, but working along somewhat different lines -- mostly in regards to coming up with standard small labels (in Golly's make_text "mono" font) for every elementary conduit. I think that idea might work out really well with the compiler script -- e.g., if there's a name listed in a #N comment at the top of the RLE, the script could generate a label.

All of the H-to-Gs in my current stamp collection are labeled with the same labels that can be found in the separate H-to-G collection, and they're sorted by lane number as well as output direction. I'm almost certainly going to rebuild the labels to use chris_c's Tx0 suggestion for recording the glider timing... and actually I'll probably just steal this compiler script and adapt it to re-create the H-to-G and H-to-G(n) stamp collections on the fly, as well. Further bulletins as events warrant.

I think there's a major limitation / minor irritation [delete whichever is inapplicable] with the way the script currently handles H-to-Gs. You'd have to change a lot of the index numbers if you want to add new H-to-Gs and keep them in sorted order.

Maybe that's what the separate H-to-G lookup table will be for, though, since in practice we won't care whether an H-to-G is an elementary conduit or not. If Fx77 plus h_g_01 puts a glider on the required lane, it usually won't matter that it's composite.

Speaking of which, is there a good way to keep multiple useful variants of an H-to-G near each other in the current system? For example, the old canonical form of h_g_01 has half as many still lifes, in completely different places:

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#C HtoG08SWpath10.rle
x = 48, y = 36, rule = LifeHistory
2$24.4B$23.5B.2B$23.9B$21.11B$21.12B$20.13B$20.14B$20.14B$20.15B$20.
17B$18.21B$12.4B2.22B$10.30B$9.4B.27B$9.4B.B.26B$9.4B3.B2A23B$9.6B.B
2A21B$9.32B$14.26B$16.B2.19B$18.19B$17.21B$16.9B.12B$15.4B.5B.12B$14.
4B2.4B3.9B.B2A$13.4B13.6B.BA.A$12.4B14.6B4.A$11.4B15.5B5.2A$10.4B17.
3B$9.4B19.2B$8.4B19.4B$7.4B19.B2AB$6.4B21.2A!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 24th, 2015, 12:51 pm

Few small things.

1. Known Pi->glider but no 2 SL smoke deprecation in the collection.
2. Strange pre-Pi to G that is compatible with block factory.

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x = 109, y = 38, rule = B3/S23
106bobo$106b2o$107bo7$88bo$87bobo$88bo4$87b2o11b2o$25b2o60b2o11bobo$
25bobo74bo$26b2o74b2o2$81b2o$82bo6bo8b2o$82bobo3bobo7bobo$83b2o4b2o9bo
$100b2o$3b3o$5bo18b2o$3b3o18bo72b2o$25b3o57bo11bobo$27bo57b2o12bo$84bo
bo12b2o4$2b2o86b2o$3bo86b2o$3o$o!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 24th, 2015, 2:21 pm

@Sokwe:

Please use the spartan form of the same conduit + there is a trick, which I think should be part of the collection:

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x = 73, y = 149, rule = LifeHistory
14$39.A$39.3A$25.2A15.A3.2A$26.A14.2A4.A$26.A.AB11.5B.A.2A$27.2A5B9.B
2A.A.A$29.7B6.BA.A.A.A$28.10B.4B2A3.A$28.17B$27.17B$27.17B$25.18B$25.
2BD15B$24.3BD.D4B.7B$25.2B3D4B2.B2D2BD$24.5BD4B4.3D$23.10B6.D$22.4B$
22.3B$20.4B$20.2A$21.A$18.3A$18.A24$42.A$40.3A$19.2A6.4B8.A$20.A5.7B
6.2A$20.A.AB.10B.5B7.2A$21.2AB.17B6.A$23.18B4.BA.A$23.21B.B2A$22.20B
2A2B$22.2BD15B.BA.AB$21.3BDBD4B.7B4.2A$22.2B3D4B2.B2D2BD$21.5BD4B4.3D
$20.10B6.D$19.4B$18.4B$17.4B$17.2A$18.A$15.3A$15.A17$36.E$34.3E$13.2E
6.4B8.E$14.E5.7B6.2E$14.E.EB.10B.5B7.2E$15.2EB.17B6.E$17.18B4.BE.E$
17.21B.B2E$16.20B2E2B$16.2BD14B.2BE.EB$15.3BDBD4B.7B4.2E$16.2B3D4B.7B
$15.5BD13B$14.13B.7B$13.4B7.12B$12.4B9.12B$11.4B11.12B$11.2E14.7B.4B$
12.E15.6B2.4B$9.3E16.7B2.4B$9.E18.7B3.4B$28.8B.6B22.B$28.16B20.3D$28.
17B19.BDB$28.18B17.2B3D$29.18B16.5B$32.11B.4B15.6B$31.13B.4B5.2E7.6B$
30.20B3.B2EB6.5B$28.B.21B3.3B5.6B$24.2E.2E23B3.B7.6B$25.E.E.B.28B3.7B
$23.E.E.E.E38B$23.2E3.2E.B.35B$32.32B2E3B$32.32B2E2B$31.36B$29.E35B$
27.3E2.7B.22B2.2B$26.E5.7B3.7B.8B.2B2.B2EB$26.2E4.7B4.5B5.6B5.2E$32.
5B6.4B8.4B$30.2EB.2B7.4B7.B2E2B$29.E.EB10.B2EB8.2E$29.E14.2E$28.2E!
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EDIT Pi->G that doesn't work with any known conduit:

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x = 53, y = 95, rule = B3/S23
3$26b2o$26b2o8b2o$36bo$34bobo$34b2o2$21b2o$21b2o9$35b2o$29b2o3b2o$19b
2o8bo6bo$19bo10b3o$17bobo12bo$17b2o36$28b2o$28b2o8b2o$38bo$36bobo$36b
2o$27b3o$29bo$27b3o10$31b2o$21b2o8bo$21bo10b3o$19bobo12bo$19b2o!
EDIT2 Pi->B but with no input connection that I can find:

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x = 28, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
10.C$10.3C$13.C3.3B$12.2C.7B$12.10B.2B$14.10B2C$12.10B.B2C$11.12B.B$
11.11B$10.11B$10.11B$11.14B$13.3C11B$13.2BC12B$12.B3C12B$10.17B$9.17B
$9.17B$9.16B$10.15B$9.15B$6.2B.13B$6.3B.13B$2.D20B$.D21B$2D21B$.2D20B
$2.D19B$3.13B.5B$5.B3.B3.B4.3B$17.2C2B$16.C2BCB$17.2C!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by Sokwe » May 24th, 2015, 6:47 pm

simsim314 wrote:Strange pre-Pi to G that is compatible with block factory.
This is actually part of an old 180-degree reflector by Noam Elkies that relies on sparkers. This new discovery gives p4, p5, p6, p7, p8, p15, and p22 reflectors (previously, only p4, p8, and p22 variants were known):

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x = 265, y = 36, rule = B3/S23
17b2o4bo33b2o4bo33b2o4bo33b2o4bo33b2o4bo33b2o4bo33b2o4bo$17b2o3bobo32b
2o3bobo32b2o3bobo32b2o3bobo32b2o3bobo32b2o3bobo32b2o3bobo$23bo39bo39bo
39bo39bo39bo39bo3$10b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b
2o34b2o2b2o$10b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o34b
2o2b2o$20b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o38b2o$20bobo37bobo37bobo37bobo37b
obo37bobo37bobo$20bo39bo39bo39bo39bo39bo39bo$53b3o37bo76b2o$52b5o35bob
o24b2o7b2o36b2o4b4o59b2o$11b7o33bob3obo34b2o2bobo19bo2bob2obo2bo2b5o
29b2o2b2ob3o38bo21bo15b3o$9bob3ob3obo29b3o5b3o30b2o2bo2b2o19bobo3bob2o
2b3obob3o31bo42b3o20bobo16bo$48bo3bo3bo3bo30bobo25bob2obo3b2o4bo4bo72b
2ob2o20b2o2bo2bo6bo4bo$8bo3b2ob2o3bo28b4obob3obo30bob6o22bob2ob2o2b4ob
2ob2o71b3ob3o22bo3bo6bo4bo$6b2obo2bo3bo2bob2o30b3o3bo32bo5bo22bobo4b2o
bobobo75b3ob3o22bo4bo6bo3bo$9b2obo3bob2o28bob2obobobo35b3o24b2ob4obo2b
obobo75b3ob3o22bo4bo6bo2bo2b2o$4bobo3b2o5b2o3bobo23b2obo2bo2b2o36bo25b
obo2bob4obob2o74b3ob3o23bo16bobo$4bo3bo11bo3bo27bo2bobo63bo2bo2bo4bo
79b2ob2o25b3o15bo$6bo3b2o5b2o3bo30b2o2bo64b2o5b3o81b3o44b2o$3b2obobobo
7bobobob2o31b2o69b2o84bo$bo2b2ob2o2b3ob3o2b2ob2o2bo$o2b2o4b2o2bobo2b2o
4b2o2bo$o2bo4bo2bo5bo2bo4bo2bo$b2ob6obobobobob6ob2o$3bobo2bo3b2ob2o3bo
2bobo$3bo10bo10bo$4b2ob6o3b6ob2o$5b3o5b3o5b3o$2b3o3b2ob2o3b2ob2o3b3o$b
o3b2o3bo3bo3bo3b2o3bo$2b3o3bobob5obobo3b3o$5b2o2bo9bo2b2o$4bo2bobobob
3obobobo2bo$4b2o2b2ob2obob2ob2o2b2o!
It's probably a long shot, but if the sparker in these reflectors could be replaced by some still life combination (possibly from Bellman), then we could get a p34 oscillator:

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x = 13, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
3b2o4bo$3b2o3bobo$9bo3$2o2b2o$2ob2o$5bo$11b2o$11b2o3$3bo$2bobo3b2o$3bo
4b2o!
simsim314 wrote:@Sokwe: Please use the spartan form of the same conduit.
The spartan form of the conduit is already included in the collection. I suggested adding the non-spartan form because it gives more room near the output B, which might allow it to connect to a wider variety of conduits.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 24th, 2015, 7:47 pm

Sokwe wrote:This is actually part of an old 180-degree reflector by Noam Elkies that relies on sparkers.
Interesting, I wouldn't count on bellman for the spark though. It'a better to use some oscillator that generate block half of the time instead, for example:

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x = 80, y = 115, rule = B3/S23
5$36bo$35bobo$35bobo$34b2ob2o6$32b3o3b3o$31bo2bo3bo2bo$31b2obo3bob2o9$
33bo$31b2ob2o$31b2ob2o2$30bobobobo2$31b2ob2o$32b3o4b2o$33bo5b2o2$25b2o
$24b5o$24bo4bo$24b3o2bo$11bo13bo2b2o$9b3o14b2o$8bo$9b3o14b2o$11bo13bo
2b2o$24b3o2bo$24bo4bo$24b5o$25b2o3$35b2o$35b2o2$30b2o27b2o$30b2o26bo2b
o$59b2o3$31bo$30bobo$31bo16$44b2o$45bo$42b3o$42bo6bo$48bobo$48b2o2$42b
2o$43bo$43bobo$44b2o6$64b2o$44bo19b2o$44bobo$44b3o$46bo$61b2o$61b2o3$
37b2o$38bo$35b3o$35bo16b2o$53bo$50b3o$50bo!
Anyway now the same trick can use resettable mechanism instead of oscillator (although not clear if it's useful, it's deferentially an option for gun builders):

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x = 54, y = 90, rule = B3/S23
7$17b2o$17b2o4$11bobo12b2o$12b2o12bo$12bo11bobo$24b2o3$27b2o$10b2o4b2o
9bo$9bobo3bobo7bobo$9bo6bo8b2o$8b2o2$29b2o$29bo$14b2o11bobo13b2o$14b2o
11b2o13bo2bo$43b2o3$15bo$14bobo$15bo3$38b2o$39bo$39b3o11$28b2o$29bo$
26b3o$26bo6bo$32bobo$32b2o2$26b2o$27bo$27bobo$28b2o6$48b2o$28bo19b2o$
28bobo$28b3o$30bo$45b2o$45b2o3$21b2o$22bo$19b3o$19bo16b2o$37bo$34b3o$
34bo!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Post by simsim314 » May 25th, 2015, 3:51 am

Another pi->G using bellman:

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x = 25, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
3$6bo$6b3o$9bo$8b2o8$9b3o4b2o$11bo4b2o$9b3o7$17b2o$15bo2bo$7b2o6b3o$6b
obo$6bo6b5o$5b2o7bo2bo$12bo$12b2o!

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