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The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » March 8th, 2015, 5:07 pm

A repeat time (EDIT: Whoops, no, I mean travel time) of 726: Good luck finding a use for the largest conduit to date, Dave!

I've built a sample gun using the Lx567. It's p769, slightly smaller than the current p769, and funky.

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x = 116, y = 114, rule = B3/S23
69b2obo$69bob2o2$70b5o$69bo4bo$65b2obo2bo$66bobob2o27bo$66bobo5bo10b2o
10b3o$65b2obo4bobo9b2o9bo$66bob2o2bo2bo20b2o8b2o$66bo6b2o31bo$39b2o23b
3o37bobo$39bo23bo40b2o$36b2obo23b2o$28b2o7bobobo$27bobo7bo2b2o2b2o62b
2o$27bo7b3o6b2o58b2obobo$26b2o6bo69b2obo$34b2o72bo$104b2ob2o$73b2o30bo
bo$73b2o30bobo$106bo3$87b3o$88bo$2b2o72b2o10b3o$3bo52b2o19bo$3bobo50bo
bo17bo$4b2o52bo17b2o$58b2o4$52b2o$44b2o6bo$44b2o7b3o$55bo2$74b2o$2b2o
37b2o30bobo$bobo37bo31bo$bo34bo5b3o6b2o3b2o14b2o15b2o$2o32b3o7bo6b2o2b
ob3o29b2o$33bo21bo4bo$33b2o16b4ob2o2bo35bob2o$11b2o38bo2bobobob2o34b2o
bo$11bo2bo39bobobobo$12b3o40b2obobo$9bo49bo$9b4o25b2o$13bo24b2o5b2o$
11b2o33bo7b2o$11bo34bobo5b2o$13bo33b2o$12b2o$102b2o$102bo$104bo$103b2o
$76b2o24bo$57b2o17b2o25b4o$57bo48bo$58b3o40b3o$60bo40bo2bo$16bob2o83b
2o$16b2obo61b2o$62b2ob2o15bo$25b2o33bo2bobobo11b3o32b2o$25b2o33b2obo2b
o12bo34bo$61bobo48bobo$60bo2b2o47b2o$60bobo2bobo$61bobo2b2o$62bo$70b2o
$62bo7b2o$62b3o$65bo$64b2o2$56b2o$38b2o17bo52b2o$39bo17bobo50bobo$38bo
19b2o52bo$25b3o10b2o72b2o$27bo$26b3o3$9bo$8bobo30b2o$8bobo30b2o$7b2ob
2o$7bo72b2o$8bob2o69bo6b2o$6bobob2o58b2o6b3o7bo$6b2o62b2o2b2o2bo7bobo$
74bobobo7b2o$51b2o23bob2o$10b2o40bo23bo$9bobo37b3o23b2o$9bo31b2o6bo$8b
2o8b2o20bo2bo2b2obo$19bo9b2o9bobo4bob2o$16b3o10b2o10bo5bobo$16bo27b2ob
obo$44bo2bob2o$41bo4bo$41b5o2$43b2obo$43bob2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sokwe » March 8th, 2015, 5:50 pm

Kazyan wrote:I've built a sample gun using the Lx567.

One of the eaters in the Pi->C converter can be replaced with a block, which reduces the bounding box slightly:
x = 114, y = 112, rule = B3/S23
27bo$27b3o$30bo$29b2o7b2o55bo$38b2o54bobo$94bobo$92b3ob2o6bo$50b2o39bo
10b3o$51bo40b3ob2o3bo$47b2o2bob2o39bob2o3b2o$47bobobobo2bo$49bo2bo2b2o
$48b2o2$66b2o38b2o$67bo38bo$27bo2bo35bo37bobo$66b2o36b2o$28b4o$30bo$
27bobobo$26bob3o$26bo3bo$27bob2o38b2o$17bo10b2o39b2o$15b3o10b3o$14bo$
14b2o14bo74b2o$29bobo73b2o$25b2o2b4ob2o$25b2o4bo2b2o$26bobob2o13b2o$
17b2o10b2o13bobo$16bobo10bo14bo$13bo2bo26b2o$13b4o$51b2o30bob2o$11b4o
36b2o30b2obo$11bo3bo88b2o$14b2o25b2o49b2o9bo2bo2b2o$41bobo48b2o9bobo4b
o$43bo60bo5bob2o$15b2o19b2o5b2o62b2obobo$15b2o19b2o14bo54bo2bo2bo$52b
3o49bo4bo2b2o$55bo48b5o$54b2o$102b7o$102bo2bo2bo$46b2o52bobo$35b2o9bo
53b2o$35bobo5b2obo$37bo5bo2b3o4b2o$37b2o5b2o3bo3b2o$28b2o16b4o32bo$28b
o17bo15b2o18b3o$29b3o15b3o12bobo20bo$31bo18bo13bo19b2o$45b5o14b2o$45bo
$47bo29b2o$12b2o32b2o30bo$11bobo64bobo$5bo2bo2bo67b2o$5b7o57b2o$70bo$
5b5o60bobo$2o2bo4bo61bobo$o2bo2bo65bo3b2o19b2o$bobob2o69b2o19b2o$2obo
5bo33bo$3bo4bobo9b2o19b3o$3b2o2bo2bo9b2o18bo57b2o$8b2o30b2o56bo3bo$27b
ob2o30b2o36b4o$27b2obo30b2o$97b4o$69b2o26bo2bo$69bo14bo10bobo$67bobo
13b2o10b2o$67b2o13b2obobo$78b2o2bo4b2o$78b2ob4o2b2o$7b2o73bobo$7b2o74b
o14b2o$99bo$83b3o10b3o$43b2o39b2o10bo$43b2o38b2obo$83bo3bo$83b3obo$82b
obobo$83bo$82b4o$8b2o36b2o$7bobo37bo35bo2bo$7bo38bo$6b2o38b2o2$64b2o$
57b2o2bo2bo$57bo2bobobobo$11b2o3b2obo39b2obo2b2o$12bo3b2ob3o40bo$9b3o
10bo39b2o$9bo6b2ob3o$17bobo$17bobo54b2o$18bo55b2o7b2o$83bo25bo$84b3o
23bo$86bo21b3o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby A for awesome » March 8th, 2015, 6:01 pm

The population can be reduced a bit by replacing two eaters with snakes:
x = 129, y = 130, rule = B3/S23
7$38bo$38b3o$41bo$40b2o7b2o55bo$49b2o54bobo$105bobo$103b3ob2o6bo$61b2o
39bo10b3o$62bo40b3ob2o3bo$58b2o2bob2o39bob2o3b2o$58bobobobo2bo$60bo2bo
2b2o$59b2o2$77b2o38b2o$78bo38bo$77bo37bobo$77b2o36b2o6$80b2o15bo$25b2o
bo51b2o15bobo$25bob2o68b3o$99bo$116b2o$116b2o3$56b2o$28b2o25bobo$27bob
o25bo$24bo2bo26b2o$24b4o$62b2o30bob2o$22b4o36b2o30b2obo$22bo3bo88b2o$
25b2o25b2o49b2o9bo2bo2b2o$52bobo48b2o9bobo4bo$54bo60bo5bob2o$26b2o19b
2o5b2o62b2obobo$26b2o19b2o14bo54bo2bo2bo$63b3o49bo4bo2b2o$66bo48b5o$
65b2o$113b7o$113bo2bo2bo$57b2o52bobo$46b2o9bo53b2o$46bobo5b2obo$48bo5b
o2b3o4b2o$48b2o5b2o3bo3b2o$39b2o16b4o32bo$39bo17bo15b2o18b3o$40b3o15b
3o12bobo20bo$42bo18bo13bo19b2o$56b5o14b2o$56bo$58bo29b2o$23b2o32b2o30b
o$22bobo64bobo$16bo2bo2bo67b2o$16b7o57b2o$81bo$16b5o60bobo$11b2o2bo4bo
61bobo$11bo2bo2bo65bo3b2o19b2o$12bobob2o69b2o19b2o$11b2obo5bo33bo$14bo
4bobo9b2o19b3o$14b2o2bo2bo9b2o18bo57b2o$19b2o30b2o56bo3bo$38bob2o30b2o
36b4o$38b2obo30b2o$108b4o$80b2o26bo2bo$80bo25bobo$78bobo25b2o$78b2o3$
18b2o$18b2o$36bo$36b3o68b2obo$36bobo15b2o51bob2o$38bo15b2o6$19b2o36b2o
$18bobo37bo$18bo38bo$17b2o38b2o2$75b2o$68b2o2bo2bo$68bo2bobobobo$22b2o
3b2obo39b2obo2b2o$23bo3b2ob3o40bo$20b3o10bo39b2o$20bo6b2ob3o$28bobo$
28bobo54b2o$29bo55b2o7b2o$94bo$95b3o$97bo!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » March 9th, 2015, 12:04 am

Kazyan wrote:This yields at least three new conduits: an Lx567, F654, and Rx695... I've built a sample gun using the Lx567.

Nice find! Here again, I'm sure that G17 tandem glider will come in handy somehow -- though again it's just one cell too close together, so you can't reflect one of them with a single Snark to get a working Herschel receiver.

On the other hand, there are 90-degree gliders far enough apart that it's possible to fit a receiver in without any Snarks, making any number of possible H-to-2Hs -- the following three, plus the various replacements for boat+block+snake:

Code: Select all
x = 280, y = 201, rule = LifeHistory
102.2A$101.A2.A$102.2A8$97.3D$98.D$98.3D16$99.2A$99.2A2$98.D7.A.2A$
97.3D6.2A.A$96.D2.2D2$66.2A$66.2A$31.2A$31.A$32.A$31.2A$40.2A$.A37.A.
A70.2A$A.A37.A71.A$A.A63.2A46.A$.A63.A2.A44.2A$12.D15.2A3.D32.2A18.2A
15.3D6.A$10.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A25.2A15.D.D7.4A$10.3D18.2D11.2D13.2A42.D
2.D9.A$10.D21.D10.2D60.2D4.3A$33.D10.D66.A2.A$113.2A$91.2A$92.A$89.3A
32.2A$72.2A15.A34.A$20.2A50.2A48.A.A$20.A47.2A52.2A$21.3A44.A.A$23.A
46.A$70.2A$57.2A13.A7.2A$57.2A13.A7.2A$69.2A.3A$70.A4.A$55.2A13.A3.2A
$55.2A7.2A2.2A$61.A2.A2.A$60.A.A.A.2A52.2A$61.A2.A2.A.A50.A.A$64.2A2.
2A52.A$91.3D28.2A$93.D$91.3D4$68.C$68.C.C$68.3C$70.C19.2A$91.A6.2A$
80.2A6.3A7.A$80.2A2.2A2.A7.A.A$84.A.A.A7.2A$86.A.2A$86.A$59.2A24.2A$
60.A$57.3A$57.A20$102.2A152.2A$101.A2.A150.A2.A$102.2A152.2A8$97.3D
151.3D$98.D153.D$98.3D151.3D6$55.2A$55.2A3$57.2A$57.2A$70.2A$23.A46.A
$21.3A44.A.A$20.A47.2A131.2A$20.2A50.2A25.2A100.2A50.2A$72.2A25.2A
152.2A2$98.D7.A.2A93.2A47.D7.A.2A$97.3D6.2A.A93.2A46.3D6.2A.A$96.D2.
2D115.2A32.D2.2D$33.D10.D124.A46.A$10.D21.D10.2D122.3A44.A.A$10.3D18.
2D11.2D13.2A105.A47.2A$10.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A105.2A50.2A$12.D15.2A3.D
184.2A$.A$A.A$A.A37.A$.A37.A.A70.2A152.2A$40.2A70.A66.D10.D75.A$31.2A
81.A41.D21.D10.2D77.A$32.A80.2A41.3D18.2D11.2D13.2A60.2A$31.A54.2A15.
3D6.A43.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A33.2A15.3D6.A$31.2A53.2A15.D.D7.4A41.D15.2A
3.D60.2A15.D.D7.4A$66.2A35.D2.D9.A30.A109.D2.D9.A$66.2A37.2D4.3A32.A.
A110.2D4.3A$111.A2.A31.A.A37.A78.A2.A$113.2A32.A37.A.A79.2A$91.2A93.
2A57.2A$92.A84.2A67.A$89.3A32.2A52.A64.3A32.2A$89.A34.A52.A65.A34.A$
122.A.A52.2A97.A.A$122.2A88.2A24.A37.2A$212.2A24.3A$241.A$240.2A$80.
2A152.2A$72.A7.2A152.2A$72.3A$75.A$74.2A2$66.2A152.2A$67.A52.2A99.A
52.2A$67.A.A50.A.A98.A.A50.A.A$68.2A52.A99.2A52.A$91.3D28.2A121.3D28.
2A$93.D153.D$91.3D151.3D4$68.C153.C$68.C.C151.C.C$68.3C151.3C$70.C19.
2A132.C19.2A$91.A6.2A145.A6.2A$80.2A6.3A7.A135.2A6.3A7.A$80.2A2.2A2.A
7.A.A135.2A2.2A2.A7.A.A$84.A.A.A7.2A140.A.A.A7.2A$86.A.2A150.A.2A$86.
A153.A$59.2A24.2A126.2A24.2A$60.A153.A$57.3A151.3A$57.A153.A!
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[Can anyone find a less horrible way of making those two eaters tolerate each other's company? I just kept drawing until the weld stabilized, and then I didn't dare look at it again.]

None of these circuits are very quick to recover, unfortunately, and there are a lot of ways to Snark-assist a Herschel receiver in about the same amount of space to get a Herschel splitter... so I guess it's not absolutely clear that I've found a use for the conduit yet.

Sokwe wrote:One of the eaters in the Pi->C converter can be replaced with a block, which reduces the bounding box slightly...

You didn't even mention the 7x9 eater replacement with the tub-with-tail. I was going to make all kinds of noise about that, because there was a block already in the right place that could be re-used -- that never happens in this business...!

(Well, hardly ever.)

Anyway, I think congratulations are definitely in order! The first two of those conduits are actually fairly compact for what they do -- lots of output gliders available with different time delays in a fairly small space. Just try getting a Herschel from that input to that output in that amount of time any other way, and you'll see what I mean... at least I hope you will; I haven't actually run Hersrch on that question yet.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sokwe » March 9th, 2015, 1:17 am

dvgrn wrote:Can anyone find a less horrible way of making those two eaters tolerate each other's company?

Yes:
x = 124, y = 91, rule = LifeHistory
102.2A$101.A2.A$102.2A8$97.3D$98.D$98.3D16$99.2A$99.2A2$98.D7.A.2A$
97.3D6.2A.A$96.D2.2D2$66.2A$66.2A$31.2A$31.A$32.A$31.2A$40.2A$.A37.A.
A70.2A$A.A37.A71.A$A.A63.2A46.A$.A63.A2.A44.2A$12.D15.2A3.D32.2A18.2A
15.3D6.A$10.D.D15.2A2.2D25.2A25.2A15.D.D7.4A$10.3D18.2D11.2D13.2A42.D
2.D9.A$10.D21.D10.2D60.2D4.3A$33.D10.D66.A2.A$113.2A$91.2A$92.A$89.3A
$72.2A15.A$20.2A50.2A$20.A47.2A$21.3A44.A.A$23.A46.A48.2A$70.2A47.2A$
57.2A21.2A$57.2A11.4A6.2A$70.A3.A$73.2A$55.2A$55.2A$66.2A$67.A52.2A$
67.A.A50.A.A$68.2A52.A$91.3D28.2A$93.D$91.3D4$68.C$68.C.C$68.3C$70.C
19.2A$91.A6.2A$80.2A6.3A7.A$80.2A2.2A2.A10.A$84.A.A.A9.2A$86.A.2A$86.
A$59.2A24.2A$60.A$57.3A$57.A!


dvgrn wrote:You didn't even mention the 7x9 eater replacement with the tub-with-tail.

It's more fun that way.

Edit: I completely forgot about the new B->R!
x = 65, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
34.A$25.A7.A.A$25.3A6.A$28.A15.2A$27.2A14.A.A$43.2A$47.2A$36.D10.A.A$
2.D32.2D12.A$2.3D31.2D11.2A$2.D.D15.2A17.D4.2A$4.D15.2A16.3D3.2A$37.D
2.2D5$23.2A$24.A$23.A$23.2A$53.2A$53.A$55.A$54.2A$27.2A15.3D6.A$27.2A
15.D.D7.4A$44.D2.D9.A$46.2D4.3A$52.A2.A$54.2A$32.2A$33.A$30.3A$30.A3$
25.2A$26.A33.2A$26.A.A32.A$21.2A4.2A$13.A7.2A$13.3A$16.A$15.2A2$7.2A$
8.A52.2A$8.A.A50.A.A$9.2A52.A$32.3D28.2A$34.D$32.3D4$9.C$9.C.C$9.3C$
11.C19.2A$32.A6.2A$21.2A6.3A7.A$21.2A2.2A2.A10.A$25.A.A.A9.2A$2.2A23.
A.2A$3.A23.A$3A23.2A$A!

Here is a reduced p307 gun:
x = 116, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
30bo20bo$29bobo7bo11b3o23b2o$30bo6b3o14bo23bo$19b2o15bo16b2o23bob2o$
19bobo14b2o38bobobo9b2o$20b2o50b2o2b2o2bo10bo$16b2o54b2o6b3o7bo$15bobo
65bo6b2o$15bo66b2o$14b2o$19b2o22b2o$19b2o22b2o3$72b3o$72b3o$72b3o2b2o
12b3o$40b2o33bo3bo11b3o8b2o10b2o$40bo19b2o13b4o10bo4bo7b2o10bo$41bo17b
obo8b3o2b3o11bo2bo2bo16bobo$40b2o17bo9bo42b2o$10b2o46b2o9bo3bo16b2obo$
11bo62bo15bobo4bo$9bo60b2obo16bobo3bobo$9b2o79bo5bobo$11bo24b2o52b3o4b
o$7b4o25b2o34bo$7bo64b2o4b2o$10b3o64bobo17b2o12b2o$9bo2bo64bo19b2o12b
2o$9b2o65b2o$31b2o$31bo$32b3o46bo$34bo46b3o$84bo$83b2o$38b2o65b2o$3b2o
12b2o19bo64bo2bo$3b2o12b2o17bobo64b3o$36b2o4b2o64bo$43bo34b2o25b4o$18b
o4b3o52b2o24bo$17bobo5bo79b2o$17bobo3bobo16bob2o60bo$18bo4bobo15bo62bo
$22bob2o16bo3bo9b2o46b2o$2b2o42bo9bo17b2o$bobo16bo2bo2bo11b3o2b3o8bobo
17bo$bo10b2o7bo4bo10b4o13b2o19bo$2o10b2o8b3o11bo3bo33b2o$22b3o12b2o2b
3o$41b3o$41b3o3$71b2o22b2o$71b2o22b2o$100b2o$32b2o66bo$24b2o6bo65bobo$
25bo7b3o6b2o54b2o$24bo10bo2b2o2b2o50b2o$24b2o9bobobo38b2o14bobo$34b2ob
o41bo15b2o$37bo26bo11b3o6bo$37b2o26bo10bo7bobo$63b3o19bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » March 9th, 2015, 5:01 am

While we're celebrating century-related goodness, here's another useless C-to-C. Cannot be made to do anything with the other useless C-to-C I found earlier, but hey, a few more in this class and we might be able to string something together.

x = 20, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
15bo$14bobo$14bobo$13b2ob3o$2o17bo$2o11b2ob3o$13b2obo$4o$o2bo2$11bo$
10b3o$10bo2bo$12b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sokwe » March 9th, 2015, 5:18 am

Kazyan wrote:Here's another useless C-to-C. Cannot be made to do anything with the other useless C-to-C I found earlier, but hey, a few more in this class and we might be able to string something together.

Nice! It can be hard to tell what will be useful in the future with all of these new conduits being discovered.

I noticed from your earlier post that a snake can replace the eater in the new C->B converter:
x = 31, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
12.D$11.3D$10.D2.2D9$26.2A$26.A$28.A$27.2A$2A15.3C6.A$2A15.C.C7.4A$
17.C2.C9.A$19.2C4.3A$25.A2.A$5.2A20.2A$5.A$6.A$5.2A!

Naturally, I had to update the p769 gun with this "improvement":
x = 114, y = 112, rule = B3/S23
27bo$27b3o$30bo$29b2o7b2o55bo$38b2o54bobo$94bobo$92b3ob2o6bo$50b2o39bo
10b3o$51bo40b3ob2o3bo$47b2o2bob2o39bob2o3b2o$47bobobobo2bo$49bo2bo2b2o
$48b2o2$66b2o38b2o$67bo38bo$27bo2bo35bo37bobo$66b2o36b2o$28b4o$30bo$
27bobobo$26bob3o$26bo3bo$27bob2o38b2o$14b2obo10b2o39b2o$14bob2o10b3o2$
30bo74b2o$29bobo73b2o$25b2o2b4ob2o$25b2o4bo2b2o$26bobob2o12b2obo$17b2o
10b2o13bob2o$16bobo10bo$13bo2bo$13b4o$37b2o12b2o30bob2o$11b4o22bo13b2o
30b2obo$11bo3bo22b3o63b2o$14b2o24bo51b2o9bo2bo2b2o$92b2o9bobo4bo$104bo
5bob2o$15b2o19b2o69b2obobo$15b2o19b2o14bo54bo2bo2bo$52b3o49bo4bo2b2o$
55bo48b5o$54b2o$102b7o$33b2o67bo2bo2bo$33bobo10b2o52bobo$35bo10bo53b2o
$35b2o6b2obo$43bo2b3o4b2o$44b2o3bo3b2o$28b2o16b4o32bo$28bo17bo15b2o18b
3o$29b3o15b3o12bobo20bo$31bo18bo13bo19b2o$45b5o14b2o$45bo$47bo29b2o$
12b2o32b2o30bo$11bobo64bobo$5bo2bo2bo67b2o$5b7o57b2o$70bo$5b5o60bobo$
2o2bo4bo61bobo$o2bo2bo65bo3b2o19b2o$bobob2o69b2o19b2o$2obo5bo$3bo4bobo
9b2o$3b2o2bo2bo9b2o76b2o$8b2o88bo3bo$27bob2o30b2o36b4o$27b2obo30b2o$
97b4o$36bo60bo2bo$34b3o47bo10bobo$33bo32b2obo13b2o10b2o$33b2o31bob2o
12b2obobo$78b2o2bo4b2o$78b2ob4o2b2o$7b2o73bobo$7b2o74bo2$83b3o10b2obo$
43b2o39b2o10bob2o$43b2o38b2obo$83bo3bo$83b3obo$82bobobo$83bo$82b4o$8b
2o36b2o$7bobo37bo35bo2bo$7bo38bo$6b2o38b2o2$64b2o$57b2o2bo2bo$57bo2bob
obobo$11b2o3b2obo39b2obo2b2o$12bo3b2ob3o40bo$9b3o10bo39b2o$9bo6b2ob3o$
17bobo$17bobo54b2o$18bo55b2o7b2o$83bo25bo$84b3o23bo$86bo21b3o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » March 9th, 2015, 10:53 am

Someone around here should collect up all these "orphan' components so that, if we ever find something that fits one of them, we'll notice instead of only trying the known elementary conduits.

Here's the ones relating to centuries I know about. Left two by me, right two by A for Awesome (and I'm surprised nothing fits with the last one so far.)

x = 131, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
9.3D24.F18.C10.F10.2C11.2C14.F2B$9.DBD24.F17.C.C9.F11.C7.2B.B2CB13.F
3B$8.D2BD5.3B5.2C9.F17.C.C9.F11.C.CB2.4B2.3B13.F4B$.6B.2D11B4.C10.F
16.2C.3C7.F12.2CB.6B2.2B13.F.4B$.21B5.C8.F3.2C12.B4.C6.F14.8B.2BCB12.
F2.4B$2C20B4.2C8.F3.2C11.2CB3C7.F14.5BC4BC.C12.F3.4B$2C14B3C5B.C10.F
16.2C.C9.F14.4B3C3B.C13.F4.4B$.B.13BCBC7B4C6.F3.4C7.4B11.F13.7B2CB3.
3C10.F5.4B$3.13BC2BC4B5.C6.F3.C2.CB4.4B13.F13.11B4.C10.F6.4B$5.7B.5B
2C2B.B3C9.F4.5B.8B11.F14.9B16.F7.4B$6.3B4.9B.BC2.C8.F5.9BC5B9.F16.6B
17.F8.4B4.2C$4.5B9.3B5.2C8.F5.8B3C5B8.F16.7B16.F9.4B3.C.C$4.2CB11.3B
15.F7.6BC2BC4B8.F16.9B14.F10.4B4.C$5.C13.B16.F7.8B2C4B8.F15.12B12.F
11.4B2.2C.2C.C$2.3C31.F7.B2D11B8.F8.B2.B3.12B12.F12.2BC4B.C.2C$2.C33.
F6.D2BD9B10.F7.19B13.F13.3CB3.C$36.F6.3D8B12.F4.2B.6BD12B13.F15.2C2.
2C$36.F7.D5B.2B13.F3.2C7B3D11B13.F$36.F9.4B16.F3.2CB.7B2D11B12.F$36.F
9.3B17.F4.B.22B11.F$36.F29.F7.21B11.F$36.F29.F8.B.17B12.F$36.F29.F11.
15B13.F$36.F29.F11.12B16.F$36.F29.F12.4B.4B18.F$36.F29.F13.3B.3B19.F$
36.F29.F18.B20.F!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » March 9th, 2015, 6:55 pm

I found this BG-to-2R:
x = 15, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
14.A$12.3A$2.2A7.A$3.A7.2A$2.A$2.2A7$.2D$2D$.D$5.3C$5.C2.C$6.C.C$7.C
2.2D$11.2D$11.D5$8.2A$8.2A!

The right R has nothing that can follow it yet, but the standard H-to-BG can precede this. The left R can be followed by a standard R-to-B, but the standard H-to-BG gets in the way, and it is highly unlikely that another way can be found to get that R out of there.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sokwe » March 9th, 2015, 8:35 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:I found this BG-to-2R:

You can keep that extra glider by replacing the eater with a block (at a slight cost to the bounding box):
x = 17, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
8.2A4.3D$8.2A6.D$15.D$2.2A$3.A$2.A$2.2A7$.2D$2D$.D$5.3C$5.C2.C$6.C.C$
7.C2.2D$11.2D$11.D5$8.2A$8.2A!

It is also fairly easy to remove the right-most R with an eater. This looks like it could have some potential for future use, but currently there isn't any known way to insert the BG from the right.
x = 30, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
20.2A4.3D$20.2A6.D$27.D$14.2A$15.A$14.A$9.2A3.2A$8.A.A$9.A3$2.D$.2D$
2D11.2D$.D10.2D$2.D10.D$17.3C$17.C2.C$18.C.C$19.C3$26.2A$26.A.A$28.A$
28.2A$20.2A$20.2A!


Extrementhusiast wrote:The left R can be followed by a standard R-to-B, but the standard H-to-BG gets in the way, and it is highly unlikely that another way can be found to get that R out of there.

This might not lead to anything, but the main purpose of one of the eaters in the H->BG is to suppress a traffic light. It might be possible to get something by allowing the debris from the BG to interact with the traffic light:
x = 38, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
10.A$10.3A21.3D$13.A20.D2.D$12.2A21.D.D$36.D10$2A$.A32.2A$.A.A30.A$2.
2A31.3A$37.A3$28.2A$28.2A2$2.C$2.C.C$2.3C$4.C10.2A3.2A$13.A2.A4.A$13.
3A5.A.A$22.2A$13.3A$13.A2.A$15.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » March 10th, 2015, 11:00 pm

C-to-G (EDIT: G, not H). Works with a receiver.

x = 114, y = 121, rule = B3/S23
7b2o82b2o$8bo83bo$8bobo81bobo$9bobo81bobo$b2o7bo3b2o69b2o7bo3b2o$2bo
11b2o70bo11b2o$2bobo81bobo$3b2o82b2o3$2o5b3o74b2o$2o5bobo74b2o$7bo2bo$
9b2o5$112b2o$112bo$110bobo$110b2o4$68b2o$68b2o5$54b2o$55bo52b2o$55bobo
50bobo$56b2o52bo$110b2o6$56bo$56bobo$56b3o34b2o$58bo19b2o7b2o5bo$79bo
7b2o2b3o$68b2o6b3o12bo$68b2o2b2o2bo15b2o$72bobobo16bo$74bob2o13bo$74bo
16b2o$73b2o24$10b2o$10b2o$6bo$6b3o$9bo$8b2o11bo$20bobo7b2o$20bobo7b2o$
21bo5$18b2o$18b2o$4b2o$4b2o$2o$2o14$24b2o$23bobo$24bo7$26b2obo$26bob2o
2$19b2o$19b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sphenocorona » March 11th, 2015, 12:13 am

I assume you meant to press the key directly to the left of H, right?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » March 11th, 2015, 12:15 am

Sphenocorona wrote:I assume you meant to press the key directly to the left of H, right?


Oops. Yes. Okay, not as exciting as my typo suggested. Will fix.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sphenocorona » March 11th, 2015, 9:00 pm

There just has to be a way to use this in a new H->X conduit:
x = 18, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
16.2C$16.2C15$11.3C$2.2C8.C$3.C6.3C$3C$C!


EDIT: Apparently there's at least one thing already known using this.

EDIT 2: Okay, here's something that might actually be new, an H->FNG where no still life extends past the FNG's glider lane (not exactly an edge shooter though):
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#C [[ LOOP 60 GPS 30 ZOOM 15 ]]
x = 22, y = 21, rule = LifeHistory
13.B$12.3B$10.5B$C7.7B$3C5.9B$3.C4.9B$2.2C4.9B$2.4B2.8B$4.15B$3.2C2B
2C11B$3.2CB.2C11B$4.B3.12B$11.5B3CB$12.5BC2B$13.2B3C2B$14.6B$14.7B$
16.B.4B$19.3B$20.2B$21.B!

The block on the right just barely maintains at least one live cell at all times, but every cell dies at least once during the reaction.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » March 12th, 2015, 8:12 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:EDIT 2: Okay, here's something that might actually be new, an H->FNG where no still life extends past the FNG's glider lane (not exactly an edge shooter though)...

That sure doesn't look familiar to me. Nice find!

I'm trying to think if there's any known Herschel termination that's only two cells from being an edge shooter... the beehive is a transparent inserter but nowhere near an edge shooter, and even the old two-block Herschel stopper ( 5b2o$5b2o6$9b2o$9b2o2$o$obo$3o$2bo! ) is twelve cells away from an edge shooter.

In these decadant days, with Snarks and semi-Snarks to be had for the asking, I'm having a hard time proving that this will do much to improve the average Herschel conduit. There might be some interesting uses in self-constructing Spartan circuitry, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment. Here's a smallish adjustable-delay transceiver (not Spartan):

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#C [[ AUTOSTART THUMBNAIL ZOOM 4 LOOP 999 THEME 9 ]]
x = 140, y = 94, rule = B3/S23
7b2obo$7bob2o2$8b5o$3b2o2bo4bo20b2o$3bo2bo2bo23bo$4bobob2o21bobo$3b2ob
o5bo18b2o$6bo4bobo$6b2o2bo2bo$11b2o$42b2o$42bo$40bobo$40b2o2$22b2o$22b
2o12$32bo$31bobo$31bobo$32bo$21bo$21b3o$24bo$7b2o14b2o11b2o$7b2o27b2o
2$135b2o$b2o132bo$b2o130bobo$5b2o122b2o2b2o$5b2o63b2o57b2o$70b2o$105b
2o$51b2o53bo22b2o$2o49b2o52bo23b2o$2o103b2o$96b2o$51b2o43bobo$51b2o2b
2o40bo$37b2o16bobo12b2o$37bobo17bo11bo2bo$39bo17b2o11b2o36b2o15bo$13b
3o23b2o36b2o29b2o15bo$14bo62b2o46b3o$12b3o112bo2$7b2o$8bo$5b3o$5bo112b
2o$64b2o53bo$64b2o50b3o$68b2o46bo$67bobo$67bo$66b2o$79b2o$79b2o$40bo$
38b3o$37bo43b2o$37b2o42b2o7$27b2o$26bobo5b2o$26bo7b2o$25b2o2$39bo$35b
2obobo$34bobobobo$31bo2bobobob2o$31b4ob2o2bo$35bo4bobo$33bobo5b2o$33b
2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » March 12th, 2015, 9:55 pm

Awkward H-to-Pi:
x = 32, y = 20, rule = LifeHistory
18.3A$20.A$19.3A$2A$.A7.3D$.A.A7.D$2.2A5.3D6$30.2A$30.2A3$4.2A$5.A$2.
3A$2.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » March 12th, 2015, 11:31 pm

Any way to save the lower block here when it gets restored?

x = 17, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
2b2o$2b2o2$2b2o$2b2o$10b2o$9bobo$9b2o$13b2o$13bobo$15bo$15b2o7$3o$bo8b
2o$b3o6bo$11b3o$13bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » March 19th, 2015, 12:39 am

Perhaps it's time to reinvestigate this catalyst?
x = 9, y = 14, rule = LifeHistory
2.2A3.2A$2.A.A.A.A$4.A.A$2.A.A.A.A$2.2A3.2A7$.3A$2.A$3A!


EDIT: Found a new Herschel conduit, F244!
x = 90, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
4$17.3D$18.D14.A$18.3D10.3A$9.2A19.A15.2A$9.2A19.2A14.A$38.2A7.A$38.
2A6.2A$8.A$7.A.A$8.A41.2A$5.3A42.2A6.A$5.A51.A.A$57.A.A$58.A2$7.2A$7.
2A5$9.2A$10.A$7.3A$7.A$19.2A46.2A$20.A12.3C31.2A$17.3A14.C8.2A$17.A7.
2A7.3C6.A5.2A$24.A.A17.3A.A.A$24.A21.A.A$23.2A22.2A$78.2A$77.A2.A2.2A
$77.A.A4.A$58.2A18.A5.A.2A$57.A.A21.2A.A.A$57.A23.A2.A2.A$56.2A20.A4.
A2.2A$78.5A2$80.2A.A$80.A.2A!

Repeat time is 267.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » March 22nd, 2015, 12:16 pm

Sokwe wrote:Here is a reduced p307 gun...

I suspect these double copies of things are going to get replaced almost universally by non-symmetrical loops, now that the G-to-H signal injector/syringe has appeared on the scene.

Very much at random, here's an asymmetrical smaller period 932 gun using this new... um... B614 conduit:

#C [[ AUTOSTART STEP 10 THEME 4 ZOOM 4 LOOP 1864 ]]
x = 106, y = 73, rule = B3/S23
31b2o11bo$31b2o10bobo$43bobo2b2o3bo$42b2ob2o2bo2bobo$46bobo3bobo$42b2o
bo2b4obo$42b2obobo3bo15b2o$46bobo3bo15bo$47bobo3bo14bob2o$48bo3b2o12bo
bobo9b2o$62b2o2b2o2bo10bo$62b2o6b3o7bo$73bo6b2o$39b2o31b2o$39b2o$24b2o
$23bo2bo$22bob2o$22bo$21b2o$36b2o$36bo$37b3o64b2o$32b2o5bo10b2o52bo$
32b2o15bobo50bobo$49bo52b2o$48b2o2$56b2o$57bo$54b3o$54bo7b2o$62b2o4b2o
$67bobo31b2o$67bo33b2o$4bo61b2o$2b5o14b2o$bo5bo13bo$bo2b3o12bobo49bo$
2obo15b2o50b3o$o2b4o67bo$b2o3bo3b2o61b2o$3b3o4b2o83b2o$3bo89bo2bo$2obo
89b3o$2ob2o93bo$68b2o25b4o$37bo30b2o24bo$11b2o22b3o57b2o$12bo21bo61bo$
9b3o22b2o58bo$9bo36b2o46b2o$46bo17b2o$28bo3bo11bobo17bo$27bo4bo11b2o
19bo$22b2o2bo5b2o30b2o$22b2o3bo2bobo$28b3ob2o4$61b2o22b2o$25b2o34b2o
22b2o$26bo63b2o$23b3o64bo$23bo64bobo$32b2o54b2o$28b2o2b2o50b2o$27bobo
38b2o14bobo$27bo41bo15b2o$26b2o26bo11b3o6bo$55bo10bo7bobo$53b3o19bo!

I sure do like the new high-speed viewer for this kind of thing -- and the "Show in Viewer" link! Has everyone tried it by now?

Seems like it makes sense to go back to [code] blocks again now for a lot of patterns, since an animation is still available with one click, with custom settings if the appropriate comments are there.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » March 22nd, 2015, 1:00 pm

dvgrn wrote:I suspect these double copies of things are going to get replaced almost universally


I would doubt the need for Herschel loops at all - as almost everything can be done with gliders now. Everything can be reduced to small amount of components attached to each other by glider input and output.

At least for the non-spartan applications I don't think we will need to use Hersrch again... I also think that now the main priority is at finding as many as possible H->G and H->2G and attach those to the syringe. Hopefully will have more edge shooters as well.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby triller » March 22nd, 2015, 3:46 pm

dvgrn wrote:I sure do like the new high-speed viewer for this kind of thing -- and the "Show in Viewer" link! Has everyone tried it by now?


It is truly an amazing addition to this site. Not having to copy and paste to a separate application streamlines review and study, while associated commentary is still visible for guidance. Many thanks to all involved with this most welcome and functional improvement.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » March 22nd, 2015, 5:45 pm

Another new conduit, Bx178:
x = 32, y = 54, rule = LifeHistory
29.A$27.3A$26.A$26.2A4$2A$2A3$29.2A$29.2A5$10.3C$11.C8.D$11.3C4.3D$
19.D2$26.2A$25.A.A$26.A7$28.2A.A$28.A.2A2$21.2A$21.2A16$20.3D$20.D$
19.3D!

It's definitely compatible with Bx125, but not much else.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » March 23rd, 2015, 7:40 am

Extrementhusiast wrote:Another new conduit, Bx178


Congrats! This one looks like something that should have been found years ago (only 3 spartan components).
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » March 23rd, 2015, 8:17 am

simsim314 wrote:Congrats! This one looks like something that should have been found years ago (only 3 spartan components).

Well, it's not really Spartan, though, because the Bx125 (containing an eater2) is the only known conduit that can precede it... pending review of recent discoveries that I haven't managed to memorize, anyway.

You can definitely get a signal out at the end using a dependent conduit like F166 or Lx200, but I'm not sure there's really any known way to get a signal in. The Bx178 puts a block in the way of almost all possible inputs to its own predecessor Bx125. Even another Bx125 won't fit:

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#C [[ VIEWONLY ZOOM 5 ]]
x = 94, y = 98, rule = LifeHistory
77.7B$76.8B$76.8B$76.8B$76.B3D4B$76.2BD4B$76.2B3D2B$76.6B$75.7B$74.8B
$73.8B$72.9B$71.2A2B.6B$70.A.AB.7B$70.A.B2.6B$69.2A4.6B$75.6B$74.8B$
75.8B$74.9B$74.9B$74.10B$74.5B2A3B$74.5B2A4B$74.11B$74.12BA.2A$76.8B
2.2A.A$76.7B$76.6B$70.A.2A2.6B$70.2A.A9B$75.9B$75.9B$75.9B$40.2A33.9B
$20.2A19.A32.11B$9.2A8.B2A2B16.A33.11B$10.A9.4B16.2A32.12B$10.A.AB.9B
7.2A8.B26.B4.14B$11.2AB.8B8.A.A7.3B23.3B3.10B.4B$13.11B8.AB6.6B19.6B
2.15B$12.12B7.2B3.B2.10B10.4B2.7B.13B.B2A$13.14B.B2.19B3.2B2.29B.BA.A
$12.31B2A15BD25B4.A$12.31B2A15BDBD23B4.2A$11.16B2D31B3DB2A21B6.B$10.
18B2D32BDB2A21B$10.18BD59B4.B$11.20B.4B5.13B.B5.26B$12.24B5.7B.B13.B
2.20B$12.22B5.3B.4B18.20B.B.B$12.20B2.2B2.9B6.A10.24B2A$13.15BD20B3.A
.A9.24B2A$12.9B.4BDBD20B3.A.A7.4B.5B2.12B.2B$13.7B2.4B3D9B2A9B2.2A.3A
5.2A3.4B3.13B$13.7B2.4BD11B2A9B3.B4.A5.A12.11B.B$13.6B4.25B2.B2AB3A3.
3A13.12B2A$13.7B10.4B.3B.10B.B2A.A5.A15.10B.B2A$13.6B12.4B6.10B6.B16.
2AB.6B4.B$12.7B13.4B5.9B9.B13.A.AB.4B$13.6B14.4B5.10B3.B17.A5.5B$14.
5B15.3B5.12B.3B14.2A8.2A$14.6B15.23B24.A$16.4B17.22B24.3A$15.B2A2B17.
23B25.A$16.2A20.5BF16B.2B$18.2B17.25B2A$17.4B.3B10.25B.B2A$10.A6.9B2.
2B2.27B3.B$9.A.A3.20BC22B$9.A.A3.20BCBC20B$7.3A.2A2.9B2A9B3C4B2.14B$
6.A4.B3.9B2A11BC4B3.4B3.4B$7.3AB2AB2.25B5.5B2.2B$9.A.2AB.10B.3B.4B15.
2A$13.10B6.4B16.A$14.9B5.4B18.3A$12.10B5.4B21.A$6.3B.12B4.4B$6.23B$5.
22B$4.23B$.2B.22B$2A25B$2AB.25B$.B3.26B$6.22BD2B$6.15B.4BDBD3B$6.14B
2.4B3D2B$8.4B3.4B3.4BD5B$9.2B2.5B5.10B$13.2A2B13.4B$14.A16.4B$11.3A
18.4B$11.A21.4B$34.4B$35.4B$36.5B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » March 23rd, 2015, 8:18 pm

dvgrn wrote:
simsim314 wrote:Congrats! This one looks like something that should have been found years ago (only 3 spartan components).

Well, it's not really Spartan, though, because the Bx125 (containing an eater2) is the only known conduit that can precede it... pending review of recent discoveries that I haven't managed to memorize, anyway.

You can definitely get a signal out at the end using a dependent conduit like F166 or Lx200, but I'm not sure there's really any known way to get a signal in. The Bx178 puts a block in the way of almost all possible inputs to its own predecessor Bx125. Even another Bx125 won't fit:

RLE


Well, here's one other way to get in, and it's Spartan, to boot:
x = 42, y = 62, rule = LifeHistory
4$35.A$33.3A$32.A$32.2A4$6.2A$6.2A3$35.2A$35.2A5$16.3D$17.D8.D$17.3D
4.3D$25.D2$6.2A24.2A$6.2A23.A.A$32.A5$16.2A$5.2C9.2A$6.2C26.2A.A$6.C
27.A.2A2$16.2A9.2A$16.2A9.2A2$7.2A$7.2A13$26.3D$26.D$25.3D!


Even if you use Bx125, you still can use an independent conduit, using some clever eater welding:
x = 56, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
31.2A$11.2A19.A$2A9.2A18.A$.A29.2A$.A.A18.2A$2.2A18.A.A$23.A3$34.2A
15.D$34.2A15.D.D$18.2D31.3D$19.2D32.D$19.D3$49.A3.2A$44.A3.A.A3.A$19.
D23.A.A2.2A3.A$17.D.D23.A.A6.A$17.3D9.2A11.2A.8A.A$17.D11.2A22.A.A$
42.2A.7A.A.A$42.2A.A2.A2.A.2A7$7.2A$7.2A$53.2A$53.2A2$26.C$26.C.C$26.
3C$28.C2$40.2A$40.A$41.3A$43.A!


In other news, a different transparent block that I found:
x = 32, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
8.A$8.3A$9.A8$26.A.A.A$27.A3.A$28.3A$29.A$.A$.2A4.2A19.2A$A.A4.2A19.
2A!
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