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The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby chris_c » April 27th, 2015, 11:33 am

I have been running my hacked version of ptbsearch on the beginnings of the Herschel evolution. Some interesting things have shown up; some to do with transparent catalysts and some not.

#C H to boat using a transparent block. Maybe more can be made of this?
x = 15, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
10bo$10b3o$13bo$12b2o5$13b2o$13b2o5$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o7$2bo$2bobo$2b3o$4b
o!


#C Near-miss Rx93 conduit using a transparent block
#C It seems unlikely the traffic light can be taken care of
x = 22, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
14b2o$2o12b2o$bo$bobo$2b2o5$20b2o$20b2o$2bo$2bobo$2b3o$4bo5$18b2o$18b
2o!


#C H to G6 and H to C (although I don't think it can connect to anything)
#C Possibly a good target for Bellman near T = 100?
x = 114, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
12b2o89b2o$12bobo88bobo$13bo90bo4$20bo90bo$19bobo88bobo$20bo90bo10$21b
2o89b2o$21b2o89b2o2$o90bo$obo88bobo$3o88b3o$2bo90bo9$88b2o$88b2o$20b2o
$20bobo$22bo$15b2o5b2o$3b2o10b2o$2bobo$2bo$b2o100b2o$104bo$101b3o$101b
o!


#C Transparent block reaction gives a variant of F117 and a NW glider on lane 17
x = 105, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
96b2o$22b2o72b2o$23bo$10bo11bo$10b3o9b2o80bo$13bo88b3o$2o10b2o66b2o19b
o$bo79bo19b2o$bobo77bobo$2b2o78b2o$25b2o$25b2o2$102b2o$102b2o2$2bo79bo
$2bobo77bobo$2b3o77b3o$4bo10b2o67bo10b2o$15b2o78b2o$11b2o78b2o$12bo79b
o$9b3o77b3o$9bo79bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » April 27th, 2015, 8:37 pm

chris_c wrote:I have been running my hacked version of ptbsearch on the beginnings of the Herschel evolution. Some interesting things have shown up; some to do with transparent catalysts and some not.
...
#C H to boat using a transparent block. Maybe more can be made of this?
...
#C H to G6 and H to C (although I don't think it can connect to anything)...

The H-to-boat is very impressive, since the boat is so far away from the rest of the conduit. Not quite sure what to use it for -- maybe a circuit that only reflects a glider if there has been a Herschel input, and otherwise absorbs it?

x = 113, y = 45, rule = LifeHistory
19.A69.A$19.3A67.3A$22.A69.A$21.2A68.2A$21.5B65.5B$23.4B66.4B$22.5B
65.5B$22.6B64.6B$21.B2A3B64.B2A3B$21.B2A4B63.B2A4B$21.7B63.7B$10.A9.
8B52.A9.8B$9.A.A8.7B52.A.A8.7B$9.A.A8.7B52.A.A8.7B$7.3A.2A6.8B50.3A.
2A6.8B$6.A4.B7.9B48.A4.B7.9B$7.3AB2AB4.10B49.3AB2AB4.10B$9.A.2AB.14B
50.A.2AB.14B$11.19B51.19B$13.17B53.17B$12.17B53.17B$13.16B54.16B$11.
19B51.19B$9.20B50.20B$9.2BA17B50.2BD17B$8.3BABA14B50.3BDBD14B$9.2B3A
14B51.2B3D14B$8.5BA4B.9B50.5BD4B.9B$7.10B2.8B50.10B2.8B$6.4B9.8B15.B
33.4B9.8B15.B$5.4B9.9B14.2B32.4B9.9B14.2B$4.4B10.10B12.3B31.4B10.10B
12.3B$3.4B10.11B11.4B30.4B10.11B11.4B$2.4B10.14B8.4B30.4B10.14B8.4B$.
4B11.15B6.4B30.4B11.15B6.4B$4B12.12B2AB5.4B30.4B12.12B2DB5.4B$3B13.
11BABA2B3.4B31.3B13.11BDBD2B3.4B$2B15.11BA4B.4B32.2B15.11BD4B.4B$B26.
10B33.B26.10B$27.9B61.9B$27.9B61.9B$27.10B60.10B$27.6B.B3A59.6B.B3A$
28.4B3.A2B60.4B3.A2B$36.A69.A!

There are a lot of known ways to do that kind of thing, though. You could adapt H-to-G#21, for example. This one is pure Spartan, though -- doesn't need the tub-with-tail.

(But isn't there a circuit out there somewhere that can do a similar trick, and it's also a toggle switch? This one blows up if a second Herschel comes in before the boat gets used.)

The H-to-G6 is actually a very nice ambidextrous Spartan Herschel transmitter. The old dead-spark-coil one has a fixed chirality, because the gliders are too close together. If nobody finds a Spartan syringe for a while, this converter might actually still show up in self-constructing circuitry at some point. Though I suppose the compression rating isn't so hot (198 ticks)... Still, it sure beats a Silver reflector.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » April 27th, 2015, 8:45 pm

chris_c wrote:#C Near-miss Rx93 conduit using a transparent block
#C It seems unlikely the traffic light can be taken care of...

Well, how desperate are you -- do you have a spare glider and some extra time?

x = 46, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
38.2A$24.2A12.2A$25.A$25.A.A$26.2A5$44.2A$44.2A$26.A$26.A.A$26.3A$28.
A5$42.2A$42.2A20$37.2A$36.A2.A$37.2A5$3A$2.A$.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » April 28th, 2015, 1:46 am

Still messing with CatForce and how to best use 3-catalyst runs, and sorting through the results. Is this known? It's a much neater R-to-B loaf than the other one I know about.

x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bo$bobo$2bo4$5b2o$6b2o$6bo!


EDIT: I also did something dumb and added the pond to the catalyst list when checking out an R...but something did happen. This didn't make it through the filter at the end of the run, but here's a maybe-salvageable transparent pond!

x = 10, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7b2o$6bo2bo$6bo2bo$7b2o7$2o$b2o$bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » April 28th, 2015, 2:12 am

Kazyan wrote:Still messing with CatForce and how to best use 3-catalyst runs, and sorting through the results. Is this known? It's a much neater R-to-B loaf than the other one I know about.
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2o$o2bo$bobo$2bo4$5b2o$6b2o$6bo!

That miraculous transparent loaf is known, but it's generally harder to place than boat+block+snake combination. Hmm, it says that Silver found it with gencols rather than ptbsearch. http://www.radicaleye.com/lifepage/patt ... srefl.html
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sphenocorona » April 28th, 2015, 2:28 am

Yup, that R->B is already known. It's the first R->B entry in my copy of one of the elementary conduits collections compiled before all these brand new conduits appeared.

For reference, here's six known variants on this R->B conduit that I've seen, with four of them already in the collection I mentioned, and the other two are subvariants of the second:
x = 165, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
112.B$111.2B$110.3B$109.4B$7.D29.D29.D29.D10.4B15.D29.D$6.3D27.3D27.
3D27.3D8.4B15.3D27.3D$5.2D2BD25.2D2BD25.2D2BD4.2A19.2D2BD6.4B15.2D2BD
18.2C5.2D2BD$4.6B24.6B24.6B4.A19.6B5.4B15.6B18.C.C3.6B$4.6B24.6B24.6B
.BA.A19.6B4.4B16.6B20.C3.6B$3.7B23.7B23.7B.B2A19.7B3.4B16.7B20.2C.7B$
4.8B22.8B22.8B22.12B18.8B19.B2.8B$4.8B22.8B22.7B23.11B19.8B19.2B.8B$
4.9B18.AB.9B21.7B23.10B18.B.9B17.13B$3.10B17.A.A10B20.7B4.B18.10B.B
13.2C.2C10B16.C.2C10B$4.10B16.2A.7B.3B20.6B.B.2BA18.8B.2BA12.2C.C.7B.
3B13.3C.2C.6B.3B$3.12B20.10B18.11BA.A16.11BA.A14.C.B.10B11.C4.B.B.10B
$3.5BC6B20.3BC6B18.4B.C4B.BA17.5BC4B.BA15.2C2.3BC6B12.3C.2C2.3BC6B$3.
4B3C5B19.3B3C5B19.3B3C3B20.4B3C3B21.3B3C5B14.C.C2.3B3C5B$3.4BC7B20.2B
C7B20.2BC5B22.2BC4B23.2BC7B14.C.C3.2BC7B$2.12B22.8B22.6B24.6B24.8B16.
C5.8B$.2A2B96.B2A$A2BAB96.BA.A$ABAB100.A$.A2B100.2A!


I still find the eater2's behavior in that last one to be very unusual, completely unlike any other successful use of an eater2 that I've seen.

Speaking of eater2's, here's a new loaf-based glider eater with full recovery time of 15 (though it can still accept the minimal glider spacing of 14) based off the loaf-spin catalyst; all it needed is a boat:
x = 20, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
12b2o$12bobo$13bo2$4b2o3b2o$4b2o2bo2bob3o$8bobo2bo$9bo4bo$17b2o$3bob2o
10bobo$b3ob2o10bo$o$b3ob2o$3bobo$3bobo$4bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby chris_c » April 28th, 2015, 9:44 am

dvgrn wrote:
chris_c wrote:#C Near-miss Rx93 conduit using a transparent block
#C It seems unlikely the traffic light can be taken care of...

Well, how desperate are you -- do you have a spare glider and some extra time?


OK, I found some reasonable options using periodic reflectors but nothing even semi-respectable with snarks:

#C R170p[678] compression 374
#C R269p8 compression 278
#C R212p[678] compression 296
x = 661, y = 88, rule = B3/S23
35b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$21b2o12b2o84b2o12b2o84b2o12b2o84b
2o12b2o84b2o12b2o84b2o12b2o84b2o12b2o$22bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$22b
obo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo$23b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
98b2o5$41b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o$41b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o98b2o
98b2o98b2o$23bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo99bo$23bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo97bobo
97bobo97bobo$23b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o97b3o$25bo99bo99bo99bo99bo
99bo99bo4$5b2o398b2o$4bobo9b2o21b2o60b2o13b2o21b2o75b2o21b2o65bo9b2o
21b2o63bobo9b2o21b2o60b2o13b2o21b2o75b2o21b2o$4bo12bo21b2o54b2o5b3o12b
o21b2o76bo21b2o76bo21b2o63bo12bo21b2o54b2o5b3o12bo21b2o76bo21b2o$2b2ob
4o5b3o77bo2bo2bo4bo8b3o97b3o87bob3o5b3o85b2ob4o5b3o77bo2bo2bo4bo8b3o
97b3o$bobobo2bo5bo79bobo2bob4obob2o4bo99bo91b2obo4bo86bobobo2bo5bo79bo
bo2bob4obob2o4bo99bo$bob2o4b2o82b2obob2o4bobobo197bob2o91bob2o4b2o82b
2o2b3obo4bobo$2obob4o2bo82bo5bo2b2obobo198b3obo88b2obob4o2bo82bobo3bo
2bo2bobo91bo$3b2obo2b2obo81bob3obo2bob2ob2ob2o87bo202b2obo2b2obo16bo
64bob2ob2o2bob2ob2ob2o16bo69b2o28bo$3o4bo4bo79bob2o5b2o4bo4bo196bo90b
3o4bo4bo16b3o60bob2o5b2o4bo4bo16b3o66bob2o27b3o$o2b3o3b3o79bobo3bob2o
2b3o3b3o86bob3o110bo86bo2b3o3b3o20bo58bobo3bob2o2b3obob3o20bo64b3o2bo
29bo$2bo2bobobo81bo2bob2obo2bo2b2ob2o90b2obo108bobo12bo74bo2bobobo21b
2o58bo2bob2obo2bo2b2ob2o21b2o66bobobo27b2o$b2o3b3o18b2o63b2o7b2o24b2o
71bob2o23b2o84b2o12b3o71b2o3b3o83b2o7b2o97bobobo$28bo99bo72b3obo22bo
80b2o19bo270bo2b3o$28bobo97bobo97bobo77bobo18b2o128b2o98b2o41b2obo53b
2o$29b2o98b2o72bo25b2o77bo5b2o143bo99bo43b2o54bo$7bo99bo99bo99b2o5b2o
91bo49bobo47bo49bobo43bo3bo49bobo$6bobo97bobo97bobo197bobo44b2o2b2o47b
obo44b2o2b2o47bobo44b2o2b2o$7b2o98b2o98b2o198b2o44b2o52b2o44b2o52b2o
44b2o$3b2o98b2o98b2o198b2o98b2o98b2o$2bobo97bobo97bobo197bobo97bobo97b
obo$2bo5b2o92bo5b2o92bo5b2o192bo5b2o92bo5b2o92bo5b2o$b2o5b2o91b2o5b2o
91b2o5b2o191b2o5b2o42b2o4b2o41b2o5b2o42b2o4b2o41b2o5b2o42b2o4b2o$452b
2o4b2o92b2o4b2o92b2o4b2o2$321b2o19b2o$321b2o19b2o$30b2o98b2o98b2o$30b
2o14b2o82b2o14b2o82b2o14b2o67bo$46bo99bo99bo68b3o25b2o$47b3o97b3o97b3o
68bo24bo$49bo99bo99bo67b2o25b3o$346bo$344b2o$344bo$342bobo4bo$342b2o3b
3o$346bo$31b3o97b3o97b3o112b2o$31bo99bo99bo$30b2o98b2o98b2o$312b2o$
312b2o$347b2o108b2o98b2o98b2o$347b2o107bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$457b2o98b2o
98b2o2$338b2o$35b2o98b2o98b2o101b2o$34bo2bo96bo2bo96bo2bo$35b2o98b2o
98b2o2$329bo$329b3o$332bo$331bobo$332bo3$333b2o$333b2o8$343b2o$342bo2b
o$343b2o!


Also the F117 variant I posted above is more useful than I thought. The initial H->B segment allows some connections to B->X that are not possible with the more usual H->B.

#C Lx204 and Lx321
#C Lx321 is equivalent to Lx204 + F117 but has an additional NW G4 output
x = 153, y = 77, rule = B3/S23
138b2o$137bo2bo$138b2o8$133b2o$134bo$134b3o16$135b2o$135b2o2$142bob2o$
142b2obo3$124b2o$125bo$125bobo$126b2o2$32b2o$31bo2bo105b2o$32b2o106bob
o$142bo$142b2o5$19bo$10bo8b3o5b2o81bo$10b3o9bo5bo81b3o$13bo7b2o5b3o82b
o28b2o$2o10b2o86b2o10b2o28b2o$bo99bo$bobo47b2o48bobo47b2o$2b2o46bobo
49b2o46bobo$50b2o98b2o4$45b2o98b2o$44bo2bo96bo2bo$2bo42b2o55bo42b2o$2b
obo97bobo$2b3o97b3o$4bo10b2o4b2o81bo10b2o$15b2o5bo92b2o$11b2o6b3o89b2o
$12bo6bo92bo$9b3o16b2o79b3o7b2o$9bo17bobo79bo10bo$27bo89b3o$26b2o89bo
2$128b2o$128b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » April 28th, 2015, 10:16 am

chris_c wrote:but nothing even semi-respectable with snarks


Now that we have syringe the family of fast stable reflectors is much larger than just the snark.

On the other hand snark and others are not spartan so the point of using ptbsearch is kinda lost.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » April 28th, 2015, 1:14 pm

chris_c wrote:#C H to boat using a transparent block. Maybe more can be made of this?
x = 15, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
10bo$10b3o$13bo$12b2o5$13b2o$13b2o5$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o7$2bo$2bobo$2b3o$4b
o!
Any chance of making a smaller/faster spartan stable reflector?
EDIT: Or making a highway robber!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » April 28th, 2015, 2:40 pm

Another pleasant surprise from CatForce (B60), only 3 blocks catalyst with two transparent:

x = 25, y = 31, rule = LifeHistory
5$8.2C$6.2B2CB$6.4B$6.6B$6.5B2CB$8.3B2CB.2B$7.11B$6.2B2C8B$7.B2C11B$
6.16B$6.16B$6.16B$7.6B.4B3CB$6.6B3.4BC2B$7.5B3.2B3C2B$7.6B3.6B$7.6B3.
7B$7.5B6.B.4B$7.2B3D9.4B$8.BDB11.3B$8.3D12.2B$9.B14.B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » April 28th, 2015, 2:42 pm

Congrats!!!! This yields a smaller p120 gun: (Fixed the typo)
x = 13, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
2o$2o3$3b2o$3b2o2$2o$2o10$b3o$bo$3o4$11b2o$11b2o2$8b2o$8b2o3$11b2o$11b
2o!
EDIT: But of course you would have known that. Wow. Never saw such a compact herschel track.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » April 28th, 2015, 3:09 pm

Is this a new H2G?
x = 21, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
17b2o$17b2o3$3b2o$4bo$4bobo$5b2o9$3bob2o$b3ob2o$o$b3ob2o$3bobo$3bobo$
4bo$18b2o$18b2o10$19bo$18b3o$17b2obo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby biggiemac » April 28th, 2015, 3:23 pm

Of the fixed guns I expected new tech to improve, p120 was not on the list. That's really cool. I had been making my improved TL extruder with p30n tech, mostly p120 and p240, and I will have a lot to update (After Friday once thesis is behind me, of course).

Edit: 23x33 gun (with only one output) beats 29x40. The naive cracks I took at improving p240 are no good though, 33x58 is worse than 25x55. But I'm sure a number of p120n guns could improve!
x = 148, y = 82, rule = LifeHistory
55.2A17.4B49.2A$53.2B2AB17.4B46.BABAB$53.4B19.4B6.A8.2A28.3AB$53.6B
18.4B5.3A5.B2AB27.2AB3A$53.5B2AB17.4B7.A4.3B28.B5A2B$55.3B2AB.2B15.4B
5.2A5.B.B5.2A22.BA2BAB.2B$54.11B15.4B4.10B5.A22.3B2A6B$53.2B2A8B16.4B
5.8B2.BA.A21.12B$47.A6.B2A11B14.4B2.11B.B2A23.14B$47.3A3.16B14.13B2A
3B24.B3A12B$50.A2.16B15.12B2A3B24.2AB2A11B$49.2A2.16B16.15B25.2ABABA
10B$49.4B.6B.8B17.14B26.A3BAB.8B$51.3A5B3.7B17.A13B25.BA2BAB3.7B$51.A
7B3.7B16.B2A11B.A24.2B3AB3.7B$52.A7B3.6B15.BABA.5B5.A.A23.7B3.6B$53.
7B3.7B13.4B2.4B7.A24.7B3.7B$54.6B3.8B11.4B5.2B33.6B3.8B$54.7B3.8B9.4B
5.4B32.7B3.7BA$54.7B3.B3A9B2.5B6.B2AB32.7B3.5BA2B$54.8B.BA2BAB.6B3.4B
8.2A33.8B.6B.A2BA$54.10BA3BAB.5B2.5B2.2B39.16B2.BA$54.11B4A7B.5B4.B
39.16B2.A$54.13BA17BAB4.B34.16B3.3A$55.14B.2B2.10B2A8B33.11B2AB6.A$
58.13B4.8B2A4B2A3B36.8B2A2B$58.6B2A3B7.6B3A4B2A2B2A35.11B$59.2B.2BA2B
A8.7B2A4B2A.B2A36.2B.B2A3B$62.3BABA2B4.2A8B2A3B4.B40.B2A5B$64.B3A2B3.
A.A2B.6BAB49.6B$66.2A2B3.A6.4B54.4B$65.B2A2B2.2A7.4B52.B2A2B$66.2A70.
2A10$52.2A$52.A$49.2A.A$49.2BA$47.A2B$46.3BA$45.3BA.3B.B2.4B$8.2A28.
18B.4B$6.2B2AB26.16B2A5B2A$6.4B27.16B2A5B2A$6.6B25.22B.B$6.5B2AB21.
21B2AB$8.3B2AB.2B17.13B2.7B2A$7.11B16.10B6.8B$6.2B2A8B17.7B7.7B$A6.B
2A11B12.8B6.10B$3A3.16B11.BA7B2.13B$3.A2.16B10.2ABA4B2A14B$2.AB2.16B
8.B.2ABA3BA2B2A10B$2.A2BA.6B.8B7.2AB3A3B3A2BA10B$4.2BA5B3.7B7.ABABA4B
A4BA10B$4.A7B3.7B8.4A.3B5A10B$5.8B3.6B8.B2AB2.B.B2A.4B$6.7B3.7B$7.6B
3.7B$7.7B3.B3A2B$7.7B3.BA2BAB$7.8B.BA3BA$7.10BABAB2A$7.11B2AB2A$7.12B
3AB$8.14B$11.12B$11.6B2A3B$12.2B.BA2BAB$15.2B5AB$17.3AB2A$19.B3A$18.B
ABAB$19.2A!


Re-edit: I see the boat bit has a smaller bounding box. Nice.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sokwe » April 28th, 2015, 3:30 pm

Wow! Congratulations on the new conduits. And many thanks to Chris for finally looking through the ptbsearch code.
Scorbie wrote:This yields a smaller p120 gun

Quite astounding considering how small period 30n technology is. Here is the gun in "standard" form:
x = 33, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
5bob2o$5b2obo4$7bo$6bo2bo$2o3bo4bo$2o4b2o2bo$4b2o2b3o6$7b2o18b2o$27b2o
2$24b2o5b2o$17bo6b2o5b2o$18bo$16b3o!


Edit: Is this the second-smallest known gun? It manages to be just slightly smaller than the smallest known p46 gun.

Edit 2:
chris_c wrote:The F117 variant I posted above is more useful than I thought....

In the first one, one of the eaters can be rotated. This may make it easier to construct, but it's hard to know:
x = 53, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
32b2o$31bo2bo$32b2o7$19bo$10bo8b3o5b2o$10b3o9bo5bo$13bo7b2o5b3o$2o10b
2o$bo$bobo47b2o$2b2o46bobo$50b2o4$45b2o$44bo2bo$2bo42b2o$2bobo$2b3o$4b
o10b2o$15b2o5b2o$11b2o9bo$12bo7bobo$9b3o8b2o6b2o$9bo17bobo$27bo$26b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » April 28th, 2015, 3:32 pm

*slowly takes off sunglasses*

That's incredible. Much congrats.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » April 28th, 2015, 4:10 pm

Kazyan wrote:*slowly takes off sunglasses*


Haha... yea that's what I felt when the results came out. Thanks everyone for the congrats.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby codeholic » April 28th, 2015, 4:22 pm

Sokwe wrote:Here is the gun in "standard" form:
x = 33, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
5bob2o$5b2obo4$7bo$6bo2bo$2o3bo4bo$2o4b2o2bo$4b2o2b3o6$7b2o18b2o$27b2o
2$24b2o5b2o$17bo6b2o5b2o$18bo$16b3o!

Hm... Why do you think it should be the standard form? It's not even p120, it's p240 because of the boat-bit. I'd say
x = 33, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
2o5b2o$2o5b2o2$4b2o$4b2o5$22b2ob2o$21bo5bo$21bo6bo2b2o$21b3o3bo3b2o$
26bo4$20b2o$20bo$21b3o$23bo!

In this form it has 36 cells, as much as GGG. And it is even smaller than GGG (29 cells) in the two-barrel form.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » April 28th, 2015, 4:26 pm

Fun fact: I tried to use Gosper guns when making Sawtooth 213, but the streams are too dense to cross with a buckaroo. This gun does not have this problem.

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Sokwe » April 28th, 2015, 4:29 pm

codeholic wrote:Why do you think it should be the standard form?

This is the standard form for the gun collection. I agree that it's not the best form for this particular gun.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » April 28th, 2015, 7:41 pm

H->Qeen bee (qeen be converts to two C on its own):

x = 50, y = 52, rule = LifeHistory
9.4B3.4B$8.6B.6B$7.7B.7B$7.15B$6.17B$7.15B$8.13B$7.15B$5.19B$4.21B$3.
11BD11B$.3D9BDBD9B3D$.DBD8BD3BD8BDBD$D.BD9B3D9BD2BD$2D9B2D3B2D9B2D$.
27B$2.25B$3.23B$5.19B$5.19B$7.15B$7.11B.B8.2C3.2C$7.14B6.B2CB.B2CB$7.
14B6.4B.3B$7.16B5.2B3.B6.2B$7.37B$5.2C39B$4.C.C39B.B$4.C4.38B2C$3.2C
5.B.35B2C$12.31B.4B$13.27B4.4B$13.24B$13.B.21B$14.2B7.3B2.11B$13.B2CB
11.12B$14.2C12.12B$29.11B$27.4B.4B3CB$27.2C4.4BC2B$28.C4.2B3C2B$25.3C
6.6B$25.C8.7B$36.B.4B$39.4B$40.4B$41.4B$42.4B$43.4B$44.4B$45.4B$46.4B
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Freywa » April 28th, 2015, 9:25 pm

Since this p120 rivals even Gosper's historic gun I feel it needs a name. I'm going to call it the double diamond gun owing to the uncanny way its Herschel rotor moves (straight, oblique, turn 180°, repeat) and its two barrels.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » April 28th, 2015, 9:29 pm

Freywa wrote:Since this p120 rivals even Gosper's historic gun I feel it needs a name. I'm going to call it the double diamond gun owing to the uncanny way its Herschel rotor moves (straight, oblique, turn 180°, repeat) and its two barrels.

I think simsim314 should have naming rights, as he found the base conduit (a situation similar to that of the pufferfish).

In other news, a promising partial pi-to-H:
x = 45, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
35.2A$35.2A$31.A$31.3A$34.A$33.2A$19.A$19.3A$22.A19.3C$21.2A19.C.C$
42.C.C5$2.D15.2A$D.D15.2A$3D$D4$23.2A$24.A$21.3A$21.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simsim314 » April 28th, 2015, 10:05 pm

Meanwhile here is another pretty cool conduit H->R with transparent loaf (this is actually the best I could find as the base is very explosive, and the loaf seems the only thing that contains it):

x = 64, y = 68, rule = LifeHistory
24.B2C$22.2BC2BCB$22.3B2C3B$20.12B$19.14B$20.13B$20.14B$19.15B$19.14B
$19.13B$19.8B.3B$19.7B$19.7B$19.6B$18.7B$17.8B$16.8B$15.9B$14.4B.6B$
13.4B.7B$12.4B2.6B$11.4B3.6B$10.4B4.6B$9.4B4.8B$8.4B6.8B$7.4B6.9B$6.
4B7.9B$5.4B8.10B$4.4B9.5B2C3B$3.4B10.5B2C4B$2.4B11.11B$.4B12.12BC.2C
11.2C6.2C$4B15.8B2.2C.C11.C.C4.B2C2B$3B10.2C4.7B19.2C3B.5B$2B12.C4.6B
20.11B$B13.C.CB.6B11.2C8.10B$15.2CB.7B3.4B2.B2CB6.12B$17.8B4.5B2.2B6.
7BC5B$18.7B3.9B6.7BCBC3B$18.20B5.7BC2BC2B$14.B4.20B4.8B2C5B$13.C2B.B.
20B.B.18B$12.C.C45B$13.CB.4BD39B$16.3B3D36B.B2C$16.5BD36B.BC.C$17.40B
5.C$17.4B.35B5.2C$16.4B7.30B$15.4B9.28B$14.4B11.25B.B2C$13.4B10.26B2.
BC.C$12.4B10.2C19B.4B6.C$11.4B11.2C17B13.2C$10.4B13.18B$9.4B16.11B3CB
$8.4B18.3B.7BC2B$7.4B18.3B5.2B3C2B$6.4B19.B2CB5.6B$5.4B21.2C6.7B$4.4B
32.B.4B$3.4B36.4B$2.4B38.4B$.4B40.4B$4B42.4B$3B44.4B$2B46.4B$B48.4B!


EDIT One cool thing about this conduit is that you don't need the loaf to make it work. The loaf will reappear by itself on first use.

EDIT Freywa why do you think it's double diamond? I see only one "diamond" in the trace, and no diamond in the conduit. I would probably go with something like herschel ping pong, or simply ping-pong gun.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Freywa » April 29th, 2015, 12:34 am

simsim314 wrote:EDIT Freywa why do you think it's double diamond? I see only one "diamond" in the trace, and no diamond in the conduit. I would probably go with something like herschel ping pong, or simply ping-pong gun.

It doesn't look anything like ping-pong to me; the Herschel is not retracing its steps, only going around a one-way track. Anyway the diamond you mentioned in the trace is the latter half of "double diamond"; the former half comes from its double barrels as I mentioned earlier. Speaking of trying to beat this gun as the smallest possible, that would be next to impossible, hence a pun with alpine skiing run ratings (double diamond = hardest).

EDIT: Wait, there's a second diamond formed by the six blocks.
x = 23, y = 33, rule = LifeHistory
5.2C$3.2BCAD$3.2BDB.D$3.2BD2BD$3.2BD2BACB$5.D2B2AD.2B$4.BD5BD3B$3.2BC
A4BD3B$4.BCA5BD5B$3.2BD7BD5B$B2.2BD8BD4B$2B.2BD8BD4B$3B.BD4B.4BC2AB$
5BD3B3.4BC2B$.4BD3B3.2B3ADB$2.3BD4B3.4BDB$3.2BD4B3.4BD2B$4.BD4B3.4BD
3B$4.BD5B3.3BD4B$4.2BD4B3.3BD5B$4.3BD4B.4BDB.3B$4.4BD8BD2B.2B$4.4BD8B
D2B2.B$4.5BD7BD2B$5.5BD5BACB$8.3BD4BAC2B$8.3BD5BDB$9.2B.D2A2BD$12.BCA
2BD2B$14.D2BD2B$14.D.BD2B$15.DAC2B$16.2C!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Scorbie » April 29th, 2015, 12:38 am

Sorry to ask this again, but is this known? This can be combined with the syringe to make a reasonable reflector.
x = 21, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
17b2o$17b2o3$3b2o$4bo$4bobo$5b2o9$3bob2o$b3ob2o$o$b3ob2o$3bobo$3bobo$
4bo$18b2o$18b2o10$19bo$18b3o$17b2obo!


Here: between fast stable reflectors, I think this is the most probable one for slow salvo, at least for now.
#C A stable reflector of recovery time 84.
x = 58, y = 82, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o19$21bo$22b2o$21b2o$33bo$33b3o$36bo$35bobo$35bobo$36bo5$51b2o$
51b2o4$31b2o$30bobo$30bo$29b2o7b2o$38b2o2$46b2obo$46b2ob3o$52bo$46b2ob
3o$47bobo$47bobo$48bo6$38b2o$38b2o$53bo$52bobo$52bobo$51b2ob3o$57bo$
51b2ob3o$51b2obo9$51b2o$51bobo$53bo$53b2o3$39b2o$39b2o!
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