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The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » July 16th, 2017, 2:05 pm

A new R-to-G:

x = 19, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
A$3A8.A$3.A5.3A$2.2A4.A$9.A$10.A$9.2A5$14.A$13.A.A$13.A.A$14.A$2C$.2C
$.C10.2A.A$12.2A.3A$18.A$12.2A.3A$13.A.A$13.A.A$14.A4$5.2A$5.A.A.A$2A
.A.A2.2A$A.2A.A$6.4A$8.A2.A$10.2A!


Its catalysts don't get in the way of other conduits too much, but its output glider ruins every connection except this one, which I can't seem to trace back further:

x = 45, y = 46, rule = LifeHistory
25.A$24.A.A$24.A.A$22.3A.2A3.2A$21.A4.B3.A2BA$22.3AB2A2.B2AB$24.A.2A
3.2B$11.2A13.8B8.2A$11.A16.7B3.2A2.A$13.A.2A10.8B3.A.A.A$12.2A.A3B2.B
3.10B4.B.A$13.A.BA2B.17B.2B$13.A2.BA23B$14.4A23B$17.2B.21B$14.2A4.19B
.B2A$14.A5.8BD9B2.BA.A$15.A4.7B3D6B7.A$14.2A6.7BD7B6.2A$21.16B$20.18B
$21.18B$20.21B$21.20B$22.18B$22.19B$21.5B3D11B.2B$21.5B.BD13B2A$20.6B
3D11B.B2A$19.21B2.B$18.22B$17.4B.18B$16.4B2.17B$15.4B4.16B$14.4B7.13B
$13.4B8.13B$12.4B10.8B.2B$11.4B9.10B$10.4B9.10B$9.4B10.3B2A4B$8.4B12.
BA2BA2B$7.4B11.4B2A5B$6.4B12.2A.2B.2B.2A$5.4B14.A7.A$4.4B12.3A9.3A$3.
4B13.A13.A!


Also, the lower catalyst seems surprisingly general for something coming out of a high-activity Bellman search, if anyone wants to see if it's applicable anywhere else.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Jormungant » July 19th, 2017, 12:44 am

Hi again!

Here is another lousy Hershel track of my own. Like last time, it can be stretched due to a conversion to 2 gliders. The main difference is that the glider pair comes from an healthy h-to-h segment, so this can to used for branching a stream of gliders:

x = 127, y = 139, rule = LifeHistory
64.2A11.A$63.B2AB9.A.A$64.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A$63.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$63.5B
8.B2.A.A3.A.A$63.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$63.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$64.13B2.A.AB2.A15.2A
$62.13B5.A.A2B.A14.A$61.15B2.2B.A2B.2A11.BA.A$61.15B2.5B12.2A.B2A$60.
17B.4B12.B2A2B$60.29B6.4B$59.13B2A11BD4B3.6B$58.14B2A9B3D4B2.6B$57.2A
B3.20BDBD4B.7B$56.A2.A4.19BD15B$55.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.20B$55.A7.6B14.
18B$54.2A6.9B14.16B$61.4B4.2A15.14B$60.4B5.A15.16B$59.4B7.3A12.14B.B
2A$58.4B10.A10.2AB.3B3.6B.BA.A$57.4B21.A.AB7.6B4.A$56.4B22.A9.2B2D2BD
4.2A$55.4B22.2A4.2A2.4B3DB$54.4B28.A.A7BD4B$53.4B29.A3.11B$52.4B29.2A
3.4B2A5B$51.4B36.3B2A5B$50.4B37.10B$49.4B39.9B$48.4B40.9B$47.4B41.8B$
46.4B43.8B$45.4B45.6B$44.4B46.6B4.2A$43.4B47.6B4.A$42.4B47.7B.BA.A$
41.4B48.6B2.B2A$40.4B50.8B$39.4B51.8B$38.4B51.8B$37.4B52.7B$36.4B44.
2A7.6B$35.4B46.A6.2B3D2B$34.4B47.A.AB3.4BD2B$33.4B49.2AB2.4B3DB$32.4B
29.A22.11B$31.4B17.A10.3A22.11B$30.4B18.3A7.A25.11B$29.4B22.A5.B2A23.
11B$28.4B22.2A3.5B24.7B$27.4B23.8B20.2A4.8B$26.4B26.6B21.A5.8B$25.4B
26.7B21.A.AB2.7B$24.4B27.6B9.B13.2AB.9B$23.4B27.8B.2B4.2B2A13.11B$22.
4B27.18B2A2B11.11B$21.4B29.24B2.B3.B.9B.B2A$20.4B25.2A3.40B2.BA.A$19.
4B25.A.A3.23BD16B5.A$18.4B26.BA4.22B2D16B5.2A$17.4B28.3B2.21B2D11B2D
4B$16.4B28.4B.23BD10B2D6B$3.2A10.4B28.30BD10BD7B$4.A9.4B29.30B4.10B2.
2B2A$2.A10.4B29.29B6.12B.BABA$2.5A5.4B5.2A22.30B6.4B.3B2.2A2.2BAB$7.A
4.4B5.A24.28B6.4B.2B4.A3.2B2AB$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A26.26B5.4B.2BAB4.3A3.B$
3.A.2B3.7B.B2A27.22B.3B4.4B3.A.A6.A$3.4A12B30.21B2.B4.4B5.A$.2A2.BA3B
2A7B29.20B8.4B$A2.3AB.2B2A7B29.19B8.4B$2A.A.B3.10B29.17B9.4B$3.A8.8B
26.2AB.14B9.4B$3.2A7.9B24.A.AB3.11B9.4B$13.3B2.4B23.A5.12B8.4B$11.5B
3.4B21.2A5.11B8.4B$11.2A7.4B26.11B8.4B$12.A8.4B26.9B8.4B23.2A$9.3A10.
4B26.8B7.4B25.A$9.A13.4B26.6B6.6B12.A11.A$24.4B27.5B4.5B14.3A9.2A$25.
4B27.12B18.A9.B$26.4B27.10B6.2A10.2A9.3B$27.4B27.8B8.A10.5B5.6B$28.4B
25.10B7.A.AB9.4B3.10B$29.4B28.2CB11.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.6B$30.4B17.
2A6.2B2C4B10.7B.9BD3B2A15BD3B$31.4B17.A6.12B6.17B2D2B2A15BDBDB.2B$32.
4B16.A.AB2.16B4.17B2D18B3D3B2A$33.4B16.2AB.17B3.18BD21BD3B2A$34.4B17.
39BD27B$35.4B16.36B.B3.13B.B$36.4B15.20BD13B7.7B.B$37.4B15.19BDBD4B.
6B$38.4B16.17B3D4B2.B.5B$39.4B16.18BD4B7.2A$40.4B15.22B8.A$41.4B15.5B
.8B4.4B8.3A$42.4B14.3B6.4B6.4B9.A$43.4B13.3B5.6B6.4B$44.4B13.B5.8B6.
4B$45.4B6.A10.4B2.4B6.4B$46.4B5.3A7.4B4.4B6.4B$47.4B7.A5.4B6.4B6.4B$
48.4B5.2A4.4B8.4B6.4B$49.4B4.9B10.4B6.4B$50.4B5.6B12.4B6.4B$51.4B2.8B
13.4B6.4B$52.15B12.4B6.4B$53.14B13.4B6.4B$54.13B14.4B6.4B10.2B$55.10B
.B2A13.4B6.4B8.2AB$57.3B2AB3.BA.A13.4B6.4B5.BA2BAB4.B$57.3B2AB6.A14.
4B6.4B4.BA2BA3B.B2A$59.4B6.2A14.4B6.4B4.B2A6B2A$59.3B24.4B6.4B3.7B.2B
$56.AB.2B26.4B6.4B3.6B$55.A.AB2AB26.4B6.4B2.5B$55.A.ABABAB26.4B6.11B$
52.2A.A.A.A.A2.A25.20B$52.A2.A2.2A.4A26.5BC14B$54.2A4.A31.2B3C13B$60.
A.A28.3BCBC4B.7B$61.2A29.2BC15B$92.18B$94.17B$96.15B.2B2.6B$97.22BD3B
$97.8B.13BDBDB.2B$95.8B3.2B2A9B3D3B2A$95.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD3B2A$96.A10.
19B$93.3A12.B.3B.B$93.A!


I dont know if this could be used in stable signal constructions; however, the recovery time is too lame to be reported. Maybe there is a more efficient way to re-generate the initial block. Is there a good collection of "tracks" for X-to-block?
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby wildmyron » July 19th, 2017, 6:32 am

Jormungant wrote:Maybe there is a more efficient way to re-generate the initial block. Is there a good collection of "tracks" for X-to-block?

I don't know if there is a good organised collection but there is a dedicated thread for Factories (including X-block). This post is probably your best bet.

The G->block in the first post works, but it needs a colour changing reflector (shown with p8 reflector):
x = 127, y = 93, rule = LifeHistory
$33.2A$33.A.A$35.A4.2A$31.4A.2A2.A2.A$31.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$33.BABABA.A$
34.B2ABA.A$35.2B.BA$34.3B$25.2A6.4B$26.A6.B2A3B$26.A.AB3.B2A3B$27.2AB
.10B$29.13B$29.14B$29.15B$31.8B2.4B$31.6B5.4B8.2A$9.2B19.9B4.3B7.B2AB
$9.3B17.4B4.2A5.3BD6.4B$7.2B2AB16.4B5.A7.DBDB6.2B$7.2B2ABA14.4B7.3A5.
2D2B4.3B$8.4B.A12.4B10.A6.4B2.5B5.2A$10.A.4B9.4B19.4B.6B4.A$11.AB2A2B
7.4B21.10B.BA.A$12.B2A3B.B3.4B23.9B.B2A4B23.2A$12.3B3.8B23.12B.4B25.A
$13.2B.BA7B24.17B12.A11.A$15.BABA5B25.15B2A12.3A9.2A$15.2B2A5B23.2AB.
2B2A8B.A16.A9.B$13.2AB.8B21.A.AB2.ABA7BA.A3.2A10.2A9.3B$12.A.AB3.7B
20.A5.BA7B.2A5.A10.5B5.6B$12.A5.2A2B.4B18.2A5.10B7.A.AB9.4B3.10B$11.
2A5.2A4.4B17.A8.2B2CB11.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.6B$25.4B18.A6.2B2C4B10.
7B.9BD3B2A15BD3B$26.4B16.2A6.12B6.17B2D2B2A15BDBDB.2B$27.4B13.A2.A.AB
2.16B4.17B2D18B3D3B2A$28.4B12.2A2.2AB.17B3.18BD21BD3B2A$29.4B17.39BD
27B$30.4B16.36B.B3.13B.B$31.4B15.20BD13B7.7B.B$32.4B15.19BDBD4B.6B$
33.4B16.17B3D4B2.B.5B$34.4B16.18BD4B7.2A$35.4B15.22B8.A$36.4B15.5B.8B
4.4B8.3A$37.4B14.3B6.4B6.4B9.A$38.4B13.3B5.6B6.4B$39.4B13.B5.8B6.4B$
40.4B6.A10.4B2.4B6.4B$41.4B5.3A7.4B4.4B6.4B$42.4B7.A5.4B6.4B6.4B$43.
4B5.2A4.4B8.4B6.4B$44.4B4.9B10.4B6.4B$45.4B5.6B12.4B6.4B$46.4B2.8B13.
4B6.4B$47.15B12.4B6.4B$48.14B13.4B6.4B$49.13B14.4B6.4B10.2B$50.10B.B
2A13.4B6.4B8.2AB$52.3B2AB3.BA.A13.4B6.4B5.BA2BAB4.B$52.3B2AB6.A14.4B
6.4B4.BA2BA3B.B2A$54.4B6.2A14.4B6.4B4.B2A6B2A$54.3B24.4B6.4B3.7B.2B$
51.AB.2B26.4B6.4B3.6B$50.A.AB2AB26.4B6.4B2.5B$50.A.ABABAB26.4B6.11B$
47.2A.A.A.A.A2.A25.20B$47.A2.A2.2A.4A26.5BC14B$49.2A4.A31.2B3C13B$55.
A.A28.3BCBC4B.7B$56.2A29.2BC15B$87.18B$89.17B$91.15B.2B2.6B$92.22BD3B
$92.8B.13BDBDB.2B$90.8B3.2B2A9B3D3B2A$90.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD3B2A$91.A10.
19B$88.3A12.B.3B.B$88.A!

I'm sure this could be patched up with something stable, but I wouldn't know where to start.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » July 19th, 2017, 8:21 am

wildmyron wrote:The G->block in the first post works, but it needs a colour changing reflector (shown with p8 reflector)...
I'm sure this could be patched up with something stable, but I wouldn't know where to start.

Yeah, there are huge numbers of ways to patch this thing up, especially since the G+X->pi doesn't have to be a block. Could be a boat or a pond or a number of other less likely things, or a beehive:

x = 140, y = 107, rule = LifeHistory
62.A$60.3A$59.A$49.2A8.2A$50.A5.5B$18.2A11.A18.A.AB.4B$17.B2AB9.A.A
18.2AB.6B4.B$18.3B9.A.A20.10B.B2A$17.B.B9.2A.3A2.2A14.12B2A$17.5B8.B
4.A2.A14.11B.B$17.6B6.2AB3A3.A.AB2.4B3.13B$17.8B4.2A.A6.2AB2.5B2.12B.
2B$18.13B10.24B2A$16.13B12.24B2A$15.15B12.20B.B.B$15.15B10.B2.20B$14.
17B.B5.26B$14.51B$13.13B2A11BDB2A21B$12.14B2A9B3DB2A21B$11.2AB3.20BDB
D23B4.2A$10.A2.A4.19BD25B4.A$9.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.29B.BA.A$9.A7.6B13.4B
2.7B.13B.B2A$8.2A6.9B17.6B2.15B$3.2A10.4B4.2A19.3B3.10B.4B$4.A9.4B5.A
21.B4.14B$2.A10.4B7.3A24.12B$2.5A5.4B5.3A2.A24.11B$7.A3.5B5.A2.A26.
11B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A2.2A26.9B27.2A$3.A.2B2.8B.B2A31.9B28.A$3.4A12B33.9B
15.A11.A$.2A2.BA3B2A7B33.9B15.3A9.2A$A2.3AB.2B2A7B33.8B19.A9.B$2A.A.B
3.10B33.7B7.2A10.2A9.3B$3.A8.8B33.6B8.A10.5B5.6B$3.2A7.9B29.4B2A4B7.A
.AB9.4B3.10B$13.3B2.4B30.BA2BA11.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.6B$11.5B3.4B21.
2A6.2B2A4B10.7B.9BD3B2A15BD3B$11.2A7.4B21.A6.12B6.17B2D2B2A15BDBDB.2B
$12.A8.4B20.A.AB2.16B4.17B2D18B3D3B2A$9.3A10.4B20.2AB.17B3.18BD21BD3B
2A$9.A13.4B21.39BD27B$24.4B20.36B.B3.13B.B$25.4B19.20BD13B7.7B.B$26.
4B19.19BDBD4B.6B$27.4B20.17B3D4B2.B.5B$28.4B20.18BD4B7.2A$29.4B19.22B
8.A$30.4B19.5B.8B4.4B8.3A$31.4B18.3B6.4B6.4B9.A$32.4B17.3B5.6B6.4B$
33.4B17.B5.8B6.4B$34.4B27.4B6.4B$35.4B27.4B6.4B$36.4B6.A10.4B6.4B6.4B
$37.4B5.3A7.4B8.4B6.4B$38.4B7.A5.4B10.4B$39.4B5.2A4.4B12.3B$40.4B4.9B
14.2B$41.4B5.6B16.B$42.4B2.8B$43.15B$44.14B$45.13B$46.10B.B2A$48.3B2A
B3.BA.A$48.3B2AB6.A$50.4B6.2A$50.3B$47.AB.2B$46.A.AB2AB$46.A.ABABAB$
43.2A.A.A.A.A2.A$43.A2.A2.2A.4A$45.2A4.A$51.A.A$52.2A45.4B$93.B6.4B$
93.2B6.4B$93.3B6.4B$93.4B6.4B$94.4B6.4B10.2B$95.4B6.4B8.2AB$96.4B6.4B
5.BA2BAB4.B$97.4B6.4B4.BA2BA3B.B2A$98.4B6.4B4.B2A6B2A$99.4B6.4B3.7B.
2B$100.4B6.4B3.6B$101.4B6.4B2.5B$102.4B6.11B$103.20B$104.5BC14B$105.
2B3C13B$104.3BCBC4B.7B$105.2BC15B$105.18B$107.17B$109.15B.2B2.6B$110.
22BD3B$110.8B.13BDBDB.2B$108.8B3.2B2A9B3D3B2A$108.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD3B2A
$109.A10.19B$106.3A12.B.3B.B$106.A!

Unfortunately no possible patch is going to be an improvement on just blocking off one of the two glider outputs, and putting a syringe on the other -- except in very special probably made-up cases where the exact timing of the extra output Herschel is the only thing that matters.

Using the first glider output to restore the still life is especially troublesome, because it badly damages the recovery time of the circuit. Probably better to turn it into a glider-triplet transceiver, since at least that doesn't have any issues with recovery time:

x = 116, y = 82, rule = LifeHistory
27.2A$27.A.A$29.A4.2A$25.4A.2A2.A2.A$25.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$27.BABABA.A$28.
B2ABA.A$29.2B.BA$28.3B$19.2A6.4B$20.A6.B2A3B$20.A.AB3.B2A4B$21.2AB.
10B$23.13B$23.14B$23.14B$25.8B2.2B.B$25.6B5.B.B9.2A$24.9B5.B8.B2AB$
23.4B4.2A5.B9.4B$22.4B5.A17.2B$21.4B7.3A8.B4.3B$20.4B10.A8.2B2.5B5.2A
$43.3B.6B4.A$18.4B21.10B.BA.A$44.9B.B2A4B23.2A$16.4B23.12B.4B25.A$3.
2A10.4B24.17B12.A11.A$4.A9.4B25.15B2A12.3A9.2A$2.A10.4B24.2AB.2B2A8B.
A16.A9.B$2.5A5.4B5.2A17.A.AB2.ABA7BA.A3.2A10.2A9.3B$7.A4.4B5.A18.A5.B
A7B.2A5.A10.5B5.6B$4.3AB2.7B.BA.A17.2A5.10B7.A.AB9.4B3.10B$3.A.2B3.7B
.B2A18.A8.2B2CB11.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.6B$3.4A12B22.A6.2B2C4B10.7B.9B
D3B2A15BD3B$.2A2.BA3B2A7B21.2A6.12B6.17B2D2B2A15BDBDB.2B$A2.3AB.2B2A
7B19.A2.A.AB2.16B4.17B2D18B3D3B2A$2A.A.B3.10B19.2A2.2AB.17B3.18BD21BD
3B2A$3.A8.8B24.39BD27B$3.2A7.9B23.36B.B3.13B.B$13.3B2.4B22.20BD13B7.
7B.B$11.5B3.4B22.19BDBD4B.6B$11.2A7.3B24.17B3D4B2.B.5B$12.A8.2B25.18B
D4B7.2A$9.3A10.B25.22B8.A$9.A39.5B.8B4.4B8.3A$49.3B6.4B6.4B9.A$49.3B
7.4B6.4B$50.B5.3B.4B6.4B$55.B2AB2.4B6.4B$55.2BA4.4B6.4B$54.3A6.4B6.4B
$54.AB8.4B6.4B$65.4B6.4B$66.4B6.4B$67.4B6.4B$68.4B6.4B$69.4B6.4B$70.
4B6.4B10.2B$60.A10.4B6.4B8.2AB$58.3A11.4B6.4B5.BA2BAB4.B$39.10B8.A15.
4B6.4B4.BA2BA3B.B2A$40.5BC4B7.2A15.4B6.4B4.B2A6B2A$41.2B3C4B2.B.5B16.
4B6.4B3.7B.2B$40.3BCBC4B.6B19.4B6.4B3.6B$41.2BC13B7.7B.B4.4B6.4B2.5B$
41.18B.B3.13B.4B6.11B$43.19BD36B$45.18BD21BD14B$46.17B2D18B3D13B$45.
17B2D2B2A15BDBD4B.7B$45.7B.9BD3B2A15BD15B$43.2AB.3B4.6B2.11B3.2B2.19B
$42.A.AB9.4B3.10B11.17B$42.A10.5B5.6B16.15B.2B2.6B$41.2A10.2A9.3B19.
22BD3B$54.A9.B21.8B.13BDBDB.2B$51.3A9.2A19.8B3.2B2A9B3D3B2A$51.A11.A
20.2A3.B5.2B2A11BD3B2A$64.3A18.A10.19B$66.A15.3A12.B.3B.B$82.A!

Sadly, the bar is set pretty high these days for glider-pair transceiver circuitry. Probably even if a catalyst could be dug up with Bellman to restore the bait still life, the resulting circuit would seldom get used for anything. The catalyst probably wouldn't be cheap to construct with gliders.

Even if it was, the glider pair is chirality-limited -- i.e., you're stuck attaching the receiver in one particular orientation. By contrast, if you reduce the pair to a single glider, you can add Snarks to reflect the signal before converting it, and then put on a syringe anywhere you want, in either orientation.

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All that said, I think this is a really nice find. It's just about a decade behind where signal technology is these days. Maybe we should start a separate thread for "steampunk" Herschel circuitry, for people who would rather pretend that syringes don't exist...!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » July 21st, 2017, 7:46 pm

Here's a nice-looking H-to-H', but it's a backwards output:

x = 36, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
22.B2A$20.2BA2BA$19.4B2A2B$20.6B$22.7B$22.7B$22.8B$15.2D2B.10B$13.2DB
D14B$13.D17B$13.DBD14B$14.2D13B$12.17B$10.19B$10.2BC15B$9.3BCBC4B.9B$
10.2B3C4B2.9B$9.5BC4B2.9B$8.10B4.7B2.B$7.4B10.8B.B2A$6.4B12.9B2A$5.4B
13.6BA3B$4.4B15.4BABA4B$3.4B18.2BABA2.2A$2.4B21.BA3.A$.4B28.3A$4B31.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Extrementhusiast » August 4th, 2017, 9:13 pm

Small P2 RF45R:
x = 23, y = 16, rule = LifeHistory
21.2A$21.2A4$.2D$2D19.2C$.D18.2C$21.C4$13.A$11.2A6.2A$13.2A4.2A$12.A!

Unfortunately, it can only be preceded by itself.

Sacrificial block to relatively edgy LWSS (and a bit of debris that I can't seem to easily clean up):
x = 18, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
2C14.2A$2C14.2A5$16.2C$15.2C$16.C5$14.2A$14.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » August 5th, 2017, 2:01 am

Possibly a new H-to-G:

x = 24, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bobo$10bobo$8b3ob2o$7bo$8b3ob2o$2o8bob2o$bo$bobo$2b2o7$2bo$2bob
o$2b3o$4bo6$15b2ob2o$16bobobo$14bobobob3o$12b3obob2o3bo$11bo3bobo3b2o$
11bobobobob2o$12bobo3bobo$13bo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby BlinkerSpawn » August 5th, 2017, 8:24 am

Kazyan wrote:Possibly a new H-to-G:

x = 24, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bobo$10bobo$8b3ob2o$7bo$8b3ob2o$2o8bob2o$bo$bobo$2b2o7$2bo$2bob
o$2b3o$4bo6$15b2ob2o$16bobobo$14bobobob3o$12b3obob2o3bo$11bo3bobo3b2o$
11bobobobob2o$12bobo3bobo$13bo!

Mildly more compact catalyst:
x = 24, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
11bo$10bobo$10bobo$8b3ob2o$7bo$8b3ob2o$2o8bob2o$bo$bobo$2b2o7$2bo$2bob
o$2b3o$4bo6$15b2ob2o$16bobobo2bo$14bobobob4o$12b3obob2o$11bo3bobo3bo$
11b2o2bo2bob2o$16b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby wwei23 » August 7th, 2017, 7:14 pm

π unaffected by bi-block:
x = 5, y = 14, rule = Life
2ob2o$2ob2o10$b3o$bobo$bobo!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » August 9th, 2017, 1:56 am

Known lane, new timing:

x = 44, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
22.A$21.A.A$21.A.A8.A$19.3A.2A5.3A$18.A4.B5.A$19.3AB2AB3.2A$21.A.2AB.
4B$17.A5.6B$17.3A4.7B$20.A3.8B$19.2A2.9B$19.15BA$21.12BABA$20.14B2AB$
20.17B$20.17B$11.2A7.13B.B2AB$12.A9.13B2A$12.A.AB4.16B$13.2AB.18B8.A$
15.20B6.3A$15.20B5.A$16.21B3.2A$15.27B$13.27B$11.31B$11.2BC29B$10.3BC
BC27B$11.2B3C27B$10.5BC4B2.19B$9.10B2.20B$8.4B2.4B3.15B.2B$7.4B2.4B3.
15B$6.4B2.4B4.16B$5.4B2.4B4.16B$4.4B2.4B4.16B$3.4B2.4B5.16B$2.4B2.4B
6.15B$.4B2.4B7.14B$4B2.4B9.11B!


EDIT: Also a new one:

x = 25, y = 42, rule = LifeHistory
16.2A$16.2A10$23.2A$23.2A10$22.A$21.A.A$D20.A.A$D.D19.A$3D$2.D2$20.2A
$20.A$21.3A$23.A6$17.2A$17.A.A$19.A$19.2A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby wwei23 » August 14th, 2017, 8:37 am

Kazyan wrote:Apologies for serial posting, but this knocked my socks off:

If an external force, not directly applied to the sock, was able to knock it off, and both of them, then it would kill you, and you wouldn't've been able to say, that it knocked your socks off. Busted by the MythBusters.
EDIT:
B to H:
x = 5, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
3.2A$3.2A5$.A.2A$.3A$2.A6$3D$2.D$.3D!

B to G:
x = 15, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory
13.2A$13.2A5$11.A.2A$11.3A$12.A6$10.2D$9.D.D$11.D3$2A$2A3$7.2A$7.2A!

R to B:
x = 10, y = 9, rule = LifeHistory
.2D$2D2.2A$.2D2A$2.D.A2$6.2A$6.A$7.3A$9.A!

π to unknown object:
x = 8, y = 3, rule = LifeHistory
3A3.2A$A.A3.2A$A.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 14th, 2017, 10:13 am

wwei23 wrote:B to H... B to G... R to B.. π to unknown object...


Before posting conduits like this, it's a good idea to check the Elementary Conduit Collection to see if there is a way to get a signal into the input. In this case, there aren't really any ways to get signals into any of them, so they aren't really worth posting unless they are otherwise remarkable in some way (Same deal with the fourth one, but with the output - if there isn't really a way to get a standard signal out of it, it's not really worth posting). Also, the second conduit is the same the first conduit attached to a known H-to-FNG.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » August 20th, 2017, 2:33 am

gmc_nxtman wrote:Wow! This is a very nice new component, although non-spartan, very fast and usable at under 100 ticks!

This, along with a few other new conduits, may warrant an update to the
H-to-H conduit collection, although I don't think there are quite enough conduits (2 or 3?) to warrant a complete update.

Just for the record, I grabbed the latest-I-think (June 26) version of the H-to-H collection to include in Golly 3.0, instead of the incredibly out-of-date Herschel conduit stamp collection that's been in there since forever.

I made one tiny change where there was an overlapping label, and so I probably should have called it something else, but I didn't... if anyone wants to make a really up-to-date version of this file, there's still a little time left before Golly 3.0 comes out -- but maybe not much!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 20th, 2017, 2:41 am

dvgrn wrote:Just for the record, I grabbed the latest-I-think (June 26) version of the H-to-H collection to include in Golly 3.0, instead of the incredibly out-of-date Herschel conduit stamp collection that's been in there since forever...


The latest version of the H-to-H collection should be at the top of this post. I believe the only conduits found since then or that otherwise need to be added are the following:

x = 133, y = 120, rule = LifeHistory
87.D13.D2.5D4.D$87.D12.2D6.D3.2D$87.D5.D3.D3.D5.D3.D.D$87.D6.D.D4.D4.
D3.D2.D$87.D7.D5.D3.D4.5D$87.D6.D.D4.D2.D8.D$87.5D.D3.D2.3D.D8.D11$
108.B$107.3D$107.BDB$106.2B3D$106.5B$106.6B$106.6B$106.5B$105.6B$106.
6B$105.7B$105.6B$105.6B$105.6B$104.8B$105.8B$104.9B$104.9B$104.10B$
104.5B2A3B$104.5B2A4B$104.11B$104.4BD7BA.2A$100.2A4.B3D4B2.2A.A$99.A.
A4.D2B2D2B$99.BA5.5B$100.2B4.5B$17.5D3.D4.3D4.D61.3B3.6B$17.D6.2D3.D
3.D2.2D60.5B2.6B$17.D7.D7.D3.D60.14B$17.3D5.D4.3D4.D60.15B$17.D7.D7.D
3.D60.15B$17.D7.D3.D3.D3.D60.16B$17.D6.3D3.3D3.3D57.19B$96.19B$94.2AB
.18B$93.A.AB.19B$93.A4.9B3D7B$92.2A5.8BDBD7B2.2A$97.2AB.6BDBD5B.BA2.A
$96.A.AB.16B3A$96.A5.15B$95.2A7.10B2.B2A.A.2A$31.AB70.11B4.A.2A.A$30.
A.AB.B67.11B4.A$14.2A13.B.2A2B2A57.2A7.10B4.2A$15.A11.6B.B2A58.A8.10B
$15.A.AB7.6B3.B59.A.AB6.11B$16.2AB.3B3.7B63.2AB.3B.11B2A.2A$18.16B64.
17B2ABA.A$18.16B64.19B3.A$19.15B65.19B2.2A$18.16B64.20B$16.18B62.20B$
14.19B61.21B$14.2BD16B61.2BD19B.B$13.3BDBD4B.9B60.3BDBD4B.13B2A$14.2B
3D4B.10B60.2B3D4B2.12B2A$13.5BD4B.11B.2B3.2B2.2B46.5BD4B2.11B.B$12.
22B.13BD43.10B3.9B$11.4B6.27BDBD40.4B10.6B.B$11.3B7.16B2A9B3DB39.3B
12.5B$9.4B9.15B2A11BD38.4B13.4B$9.2A11.11B.15B40.2A16.5B$10.A12.10B3.
2B.3B.B46.A19.2A$7.3A14.7B56.3A20.A$7.A16.7B56.A23.3A$25.5B83.A$26.3B
$27.4B$26.2A.2A$25.ABABABA$23.3A.B.A.A2.A$22.A4.A.A.4A$22.2A.2A.2A$
26.A3.3A$26.A.2A2.A$27.A.A67.D2.3D3.3D2.D$96.D2.D5.D3.D2.D$95.D3.D5.D
3.D3.D$95.D3.4D3.3D4.D$95.D3.D3.D.D3.D3.D$96.D2.D3.D.D3.D2.D$97.D2.3D
3.3D2.D2$78.D15.D4.D18.5D.5D.D$77.D2.D3.D.5D2.2D3.2D6.D3.D.5D.D5.D6.D
$22.D2.3D3.3D2.D39.D4.D.D10.D4.D6.D3.D7.D5.D7.D$21.D2.D3.D.D3.D2.D38.
D5.D11.D4.D6.D3.D8.3D3.3D4.D$20.D3.D3.D.D3.D3.D37.D4.D.D10.D4.D7.4D
11.D5.D3.D$20.D4.4D2.3D4.D38.D2.D3.D.5D3.D4.D4.D5.D.5D.D3.D.D3.D2.D$
20.D7.D.D3.D3.D39.D14.3D2.3D3.D5.D8.3D3.3D2.D$21.D6.D.D3.D2.D65.D3.3D
$22.D2.3D3.3D2.D2$2.D14.3D3.3D27.D2.D$.D2.D3.D.5D.D3.D.D3.D4.D3.D2.5D
9.2D3.D$D4.D.D12.D5.D4.D3.D15.D.D4.D$D5.D12.D5.D5.D3.D8.5D.D2.D4.D$D
4.D.D12.D3.D7.4D14.5D3.D$.D2.D3.D.5D.D3.D2.D5.D5.D2.5D10.D3.D$2.D14.
3D2.5D2.D5.D17.D2.D$28.D3.3D!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » August 20th, 2017, 11:45 am

gmc_nxtman wrote:The latest version of the H-to-H collection should be at the top of this post...

Oops, looks like the version I grabbed I was several releases back. Guess I'll add those two new H-to-Hs and post the result to the other thread.

While I'm thinking of it, was there an official decision to leave out syringe-based H-to-H conduits? Looks like there would be thousands of them, enough to make the collection completely unmanageable --

x = 59, y = 37, rule = LifeHistory
17.A$17.3A$8.A11.A$8.3A8.2A5.4B$11.A7.11B$10.2A3.B5.11B$10.8B2.11B2A$
12.19B2A$12.20B$11.20B$9.21B$7.24B$7.2BC14B4.4B$6.3BCBC4B.6B6.4B10.A$
7.2B3C4B2.B.5B5.4B7.3A$6.5BC4B7.2A6.4B5.A$5.10B8.A8.4B4.2A$4.4B16.3A
6.9B$4.3B19.A7.6B$2.4B20.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.2B$2.2A23.A2.A4.19BD$3.A24.
2AB3.20BDBD$3A26.14B2A9B3DB$A29.13B2A11BD$31.24B$31.17B.B.2B$32.15B4.
3B$32.15B5.A2B.2A$33.13B5.A.A2B.A$35.13B2.A.AB2.A$34.8B4.2A.A.A3.A$
34.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A$34.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A$34.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A$35.3B9.A.A
2.2A3.A$34.B2AB9.A.A$35.2A11.A!

A new version of Hersrch that can handle H-to-G-to-syringe transitions like this, would be really nice to have. We're getting close to having H-to-G conduit data compiled in a way that would allow this.

Unfortunately it still requires someone with a deep understanding of weird glider-lane math and a lot of spare time for bug-chasing, to actually write some kind of search program. The search tree increases in size so fast that it may be tough figuring out a workable approach.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 20th, 2017, 12:47 pm

dvgrn wrote:While I'm thinking of it, was there an official decision to leave out syringe-based H-to-H conduits? Looks like there would be thousands of them, enough to make the collection completely unmanageable...


Yes. In fact, it might be better to remove all transceivers from the collection, and make a separate collection of (non-syringe-based) transceivers, as the time and size limits prevent a lot of transceivers from being included in the normal H-to-H collection. I'll add the no-syringes rule to the original post, but I'm not sure about the transceivers yet. As far as I know, there are single-component receivers for G2, G4, G5, G6, G11, G13, and G22 excluding stuff like e.g. this G18-to-H/R, or other things with non-glider outputs:

x = 41, y = 39, rule = LifeHistory
18.A$.A15.2BA$2BA14.3AB$3AB14.4B11.D$.4B14.4B9.3D$2.4B14.4B7.D2B2D$3.
4B7.A6.4B6.6B$4.4B6.3A5.4B5.6B$5.4B8.A5.4B4.7B$6.4B6.A.A5.4B.8B$7.4B
5.A.AB5.12B$8.4B5.A3B5.11B.BA$9.4B6.4B4.11BA.A$10.4B5.6B2.11B.2A$11.
4B4.17B$12.4B2.18B$13.18B2A4B$14.16BA2BA2B$14.17B2A2B$14.18B$14.16B$
12.2AB.13B$11.A.AB2.11B$11.A5.10B$10.2A5.2B2A6B$16.3B2A6B$17.10B$17.
8B.B2A.A$16.7B3.B2AB3A$16.6B6.B4.A$17.6B4.2A.3A$17.5B6.A.A$16.6B6.A.A
$16.6B7.A$17.5B$17.3D2B$18.BDB$18.3D$19.B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » August 20th, 2017, 1:51 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:... it might be better to remove all transceivers from the collection, and make a separate collection of (non-syringe-based) transceivers, as the time and size limits prevent a lot of transceivers from being included in the normal H-to-H collection.

I was just looking at the two yellow transceivers in the current H-to-H collection, and thinking that they probably didn't belong there. Yeah, let's just put them somewhere else.

Transceivers have always been the black sheep of the Herschel-conduit family. They've been known for ages -- over twenty years now -- but somehow they didn't make it into Golly's previous Herschel conduit collection either, or into the Life Lexicon's list of Herschel conduits. And nobody ever managed to work up a version of Hersrch that could deal with them even superficially... and they're kind of inadequately documented even on the LifeWiki.

So it has always been easy to for someone new to the subject to go through (what seems like) everything there is to know about Herschel conduits, and still completely miss hearing about the existence of Herschel transceivers.

Really they're usually pretty awkward to use because of the chirality problem. Their big theoretical draw was always that the classic transceiver is fairly easy to construct with gliders. But since eater2s have suddenly become slow-salvo-constructible objects, there now seem to be cheaper and smaller H-to-G and syringe-based solutions for about 99.9% of connection problems that might once have been solved by a transceiver.

It might be a good idea to direct any future research interest in this area toward finding something like a Spartan syringe, rather than coming up with tandem-glider receivers for even more lane separations. It's too bad, but the transceivers we've found so far always seem like they ought to come in useful somewhere, but then they never actually fit anywhere in practice.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby wwei23 » August 20th, 2017, 3:44 pm

There are some weak sparks:
x = 19, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
17.A$15.3A$14.A$14.2A7$2A9.3A3.2A$2A9.A.A3.2A$11.A.A3$3.A.2A$.3A.2A$A
$.3A.2A$3.A.A$3.A.A$4.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby dvgrn » August 20th, 2017, 4:00 pm

wwei23 wrote:There are some weak sparks:
x = 19, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
17.A$15.3A$14.A$14.2A7$2A9.3A3.2A$2A9.A.A3.2A$11.A.A3$3.A.2A$.3A.2A$A
$.3A.2A$3.A.A$3.A.A$4.A!

Please re-read gmc_nxtman's message.

It's not absolutely impossible for another conduit to place an output pi heptomino in that location.

But until you actually construct such a conduit (which will probably have to be fairly large and complex) there's not much point in posting a converter like this, because it can't be connected to any known signal outputs.

If a blinker is needed, or some "weak sparks", there are hundreds of known ways to produce them that are cheaper than this suggestion.
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » September 16th, 2017, 2:26 am

Possibly a new H-to-B?

x = 38, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
18.A11.A$18.3A7.3A$21.A5.A$20.2A5.2A$9.D10.9B$8.3D.2B.12B$4.B2.BDB2D
16B$3.2AB.23B$3.2A27B$4.2B.27B$7.28B$9.25B$9.23B$8.23B$8.2BC13B3.6B$
7.3BCBC4B.6B7.2A.A$8.2B3C4B2.B.5B5.2AB3A$7.5BC4B7.2A6.B4.A$6.10B8.A6.
2A.3A$5.4B16.3A4.A.A$4.4B19.A4.A.A$3.4B26.A$2.4B$.4B$4B$3B$2B$B!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby simeks » September 16th, 2017, 3:05 pm

Kazyan wrote:Possibly a new H-to-B?

x = 38, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
18.A11.A$18.3A7.3A$21.A5.A$20.2A5.2A$9.D10.9B$8.3D.2B.12B$4.B2.BDB2D
16B$3.2AB.23B$3.2A27B$4.2B.27B$7.28B$9.25B$9.23B$8.23B$8.2BC13B3.6B$
7.3BCBC4B.6B7.2A.A$8.2B3C4B2.B.5B5.2AB3A$7.5BC4B7.2A6.B4.A$6.10B8.A6.
2A.3A$5.4B16.3A4.A.A$4.4B19.A4.A.A$3.4B26.A$2.4B$.4B$4B$3B$2B$B!

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » September 30th, 2017, 11:34 pm

Chasing down an H-to-R here, but the cleanup is quite nasty. Would anyone like to take a crack at taming the upper half?

x = 33, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
22b2o$22bo$20bobo$20b2o4$27b2o$27bo$28bo$27b2o2$25b4o$25bo3bo$26bo2bo$
27bobob2o$26b2ob2obo3$o$obo$3o22bo$2bo21bobo$24bo2bo$22b3o3bo$21bo3b3o
$21b4o$25bo$21b2ob2o$21bo4b2o$22b2obo2bo$23bobobo$23bo2bo$24b2o!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby A for awesome » October 1st, 2017, 11:19 am

Kazyan wrote:Chasing down an H-to-R here, but the cleanup is quite nasty. Would anyone like to take a crack at taming the upper half?

x = 33, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
22b2o$22bo$20bobo$20b2o4$27b2o$27bo$28bo$27b2o2$25b4o$25bo3bo$26bo2bo$
27bobob2o$26b2ob2obo3$o$obo$3o22bo$2bo21bobo$24bo2bo$22b3o3bo$21bo3b3o
$21b4o$25bo$21b2ob2o$21bo4b2o$22b2obo2bo$23bobobo$23bo2bo$24b2o!


Well, if someone can restore this block...:
x = 33, y = 34, rule = LifeHistory
22.2A$22.A$20.A.A$20.2A3$4.2C$4.2C21.2A$27.A$28.A$27.2A2$25.4A$25.A3.
A$26.A2.A$27.A.A.2A$26.2A.2A.A3$C$C.C$3C22.A$2.C21.A.A$24.A2.A$22.3A
3.A$21.A3.3A$21.4A$25.A$21.2A.2A$21.A4.2A$22.2A.A2.A$23.A.A.A$23.A2.A
$24.2A!

It actually seems easier than trying to find a non-transparent cleanup, honestly.
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Jormungant » October 1st, 2017, 2:57 pm

I could make it live a bit longer, but it seems really hard to fix.

It seems there is only a single R to B that work, which could become a R to H if the B-to-H block is killed, but is there anything else? If there is nothing else, there is an glider inbound to take care of...

x = 35, y = 51, rule = LifeHistory
9.2A$10.A$9.A$9.2A6$24.2A$24.A$22.A.A$22.2A$4.C$3.C.C$4.2C$29.2A$29.A
$2A28.A$.A27.2A$.A.A$2.2A23.4A$27.A3.A$28.A2.A$29.A.A.2A$28.2A.2A.A3$
2.C$2.C.C$2.3C22.A$4.C21.A.A$26.A2.A$24.3A3.A$23.A3.3A$6.12B5.4A$5.D
12B9.A$4.2D13B4.2A.2A$3.2D11B2DB4.A4.2A$4.D10B2D2B5.2A.A2.A$5.D10BD2B
6.A.A.A$8.11B6.A2.A$9.2B.7B7.2A$13.4B$15.3B$14.B2A3B$15.A2.A.A$16.3A.
3A$19.A3.A$16.2A.A2.2A$16.A.A!
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Re: The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

Postby Kazyan » October 1st, 2017, 3:50 pm

I found some better stabilizations from the search, but nothing completely clean. The yellow eater in this version suppresses a bit of junk that looks like it'd be easy to make clean, but has been so resilient to cleanup that both CatForce (2 catalysts) and Bellman (max-active 9) haven't come up with a clean version. Not that it matters much, since the R output seems too finicky to use, per Jormungant.

x = 31, y = 38, rule = LifeHistory
7.2A$7.A$8.3A$10.A3.2A$14.2A8.2A$24.A$6.2A14.A.A$7.A14.2A$7.A.A$8.2A
19.2E$29.E$27.E.E$27.2E$2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A7$2.C$2.C.C$2.3C22.A$4.C21.A.A
$26.A2.A$24.3A3.A$23.A3.3A$23.4A$27.A$23.2A.2A$23.A4.2A$24.2A.A2.A$
25.A.A.A$25.A2.A$26.2A!
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