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Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby simeks » April 3rd, 2015, 5:50 pm

A P879+8n (based on the current P559). Takes P967 and a few others off the list:

x = 88, y = 77, rule = B3/S23
28b2o3b2o$26b3obo2b2o$25bo4bo$25bo2b2ob4o$24b2obobobo2bo$25bobobobo$
25bobob2o46bo$26bo48b3o$74bo$39b2o33b2o$30b2o7bo46bo$12bo17b2o5bobo23b
2o7bo11b3o$12b3o22b2o25bo7b2o9bo$15bo48bobo4bobo9b2o$14b2o49b2o$72b2o$
72b3o7b2o$3b2ob2o64bo9b2o$3b2obo66b2o$6bo20b2o$6b3o4b2o13bo$4b2o3bo3b
2o10b3o19bo$3bo2b4o15bo2b3o14b5o$3b2obo15b2obobo2bo13bo5bo$4bo2b3o12bo
bo2bo2bobo12b3o2bo$4bo5bo13bobo4b2o15bob2o$5b5o14b2o19b4o2bo$7bo32b2o
3bo3b2o$40b2o4b3o20b2o$48bo21bo$48bob2o15b3o$47b2ob2o15bo3$39b2o$39bo$
40b3o44bo$42bo42bobo$86b2o7$77b2o$77b2o$68b2o$68bo2bo$4bo59b2o4b2o$2b
5o14b2o42bo20b2o$bo5bo13bo2bo40bobo18bo$bo2b3o12bobob2o30bo10b2o16bobo
$2obo15b2obo30b3o28b2o$o2b4o15bo29bo$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o14b2o11b2o$3b3o4b
2o13bo13bo$3bo20b2o11bobo$2obo32bobob2o$2ob2o31bo2bo2bo$35b2o3b2o$55b
2o$11b2o42b2o$12bo$9b3o22b2o42b2o$9bo17b2o5bobo41b2o2b2o$27b2o7bo27bo
3b2o12bobo$36b2o25bobo3bo14bo$62bobo3bo15b2o$23bo34b2obobo3bo$22bobob
2o30b2obo2b4obo$22bobobobo33bobo3bobo$21b2obobobo2bo26b2ob2o2bo2bobo$
22bo2b2ob4o27bobo2b2o3bo$22bo4bo19b2o10bobo$23b3obo2b2o15b2o11bo$25b2o
3b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby chris_c » April 3rd, 2015, 5:59 pm

I just pushed a bunch of new commits. The new fixed guns I added are as follows:

- those from Kazyan's MunitionsDump
- those from simsim's GliderGunCollection
- p20 and p40 as indicated by Calcyman and Sokwe
- overclocked p74 and p75 syringe based guns
- some random pseudo-period guns of low period by me

Variable guns as follows:

p662 and p973 by simeks (EDIT: Also p879. Nice one!)
p708 and p853 by Dave Greene
EDIT2: Also made a p556 by Kazyan in to an official gun family

Thanks guys! The Hall of Shame is now:

*******************************
Hall of Shame (p100 or greater)
*******************************
551 (9295, 'p01038_8_p00551')        (7 mod 8)
955 (9198, 'p00803_19')              (3 mod 8)
947 (9125, 'p00803_18')              (3 mod 8)
509 (9086, 'p00954_8_p00509')        (5 mod 8)
471 (9045, 'p00870_9_p00471')        (7 mod 8)
942 (9045, 'p00870_9')               (6 mod 8)
543 (9024, 'p01038_6_p00543')        (7 mod 8)
993 (8988, 'p00921_9')               (1 mod 8)
931 (8979, 'p00803_16')              (3 mod 8)
447 (8932, 'fixed')                  (7 mod 8)
463 (8911, 'p00870_7_p00463')        (7 mod 8)
926 (8911, 'p00870_7')               (6 mod 8)
923 (8906, 'p00803_15')              (3 mod 8)
985 (8904, 'p00921_8')               (1 mod 8)
479 (8904, 'fixed')                  (7 mod 8)
958 (8904, 'fixed')                  (6 mod 8)
997 (8840, 'p00973_3')               (5 mod 8)
977 (8820, 'p00921_7')               (1 mod 8)
533 (8820, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
501 (8816, 'p00954_6_p00501')        (5 mod 8)


dvgrn wrote:That's the most recent hacked Hersrch from a few years ago, right?

Yes it's from your website Hersrch-4Dec2012.zip.

dvgrn wrote:I decided to get a little more organized, and made the beginnings of a table of 90-degree timing adjusters


This is definitely a good idea. The number of times I have though "Wow, this like it's going to be a good gun" only to later realise that I have made an exact duplicate is quite embarrassing!

dvgrn wrote:It would be nice if the top row included more parity-changing turners besides the Snarks-only ones. The lack of those means that I'm mostly only getting even-period guns by modifying small odd-period guns, usually by swapping out three-Snark loops.


Yes, I remember getting this problem myself. In the end I started putting left hand conduits on the end of the syringe to find other colors/parities. The guns set records at the time I made them but I don't know if they have been surpassed since.

dvgrn wrote:The occasional improvement has popped up <a p708>


This one sets some records and also suggests quite a few record guns at sub-periods. The interesting thing is that, because of the asymmetry, the half-period variants in this family look like they will work at the optimal size without any glider collisions. Some work to do to prove that though.

dvgrn wrote: Are there small G-to-2Gs where the extra glider output was the wrong color, where we might try swapping in the two color-changing turners?


This is another frustration I encountered. What I consider to be the three most natural glider duplicators all have a "backwards" glider that is of the same color and parity:

x = 163, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
2bo69bo49bo$bobo67bobo47bobo$bobo2b2o3bo59bobo2b2o3bo3bo35bobo2b2o3bo$
2ob2o2bo2bobo57b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o32b2ob2o2bo2bobo$4bobo3bobo12b2o47bob
o3bobo5bo35bobo3bobo$2obo2b4obo13bo44b2obo2b4obo5b2o31b2obo2b4obo$2obo
bo3bo13bobo44b2obobo3bo40b2obobo3bo$4bobo3bo12b2o49bobo3bo43bobo3bo15b
2o$5bobo3bo63bobo3bo43bobo3bo14bo$6bo3b2o33b2o29bo3b2o44bo3b2o12bobo$
31b2o12b2o93b2o2b2o$32bo107b2o$32bobo$10bo22b2o45bo49bo$8b3o67b3o47b3o
$8bobo67bobo47bobo21b2o$8bo69bo49bo23b2o7b2o$161bo$51b2o46b2o58bobo$
51b2o46b2o58b2o3$22b2o$9b2o11b2o54b2o48b2o$10bo66bobo47bobo$7b3o41bo
25bo49bo$7bo42bobo23b2o48b2o23bo$51bo98bobob2o$148b3obobo$147bo3bo4bo$
147b2o2bob4o$41b2o97b2o10bo$40bobo97b2o12bo$40bo112b2o$39b2o!


EDIT: Added the p879 by simeks and edited the Hall of Shame above. Thanks!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby simeks » April 3rd, 2015, 9:03 pm

A p907+8n (based on the current p571) to improve on p955:

x = 90, y = 87, rule = B3/S23
39b2o3b2o12b2o3b2o$37b3obo2b2o12b2o2bob3o$36bo4bo20bo4bo$36bo2b2ob4o
12b4ob2o2bo$35b2obobobo2bo12bo2bobobob2o$36bobobobo18bobobobo$36bobob
2o8bo2bo8b2obobo$37bo12b4o12bo2$50b4o$41b2o7bo2bo7b2o$41b2o5bobo2bobo
5b2o17bo$48b2o4b2o22b3o$77bo$77b2o3$85b2ob2o$86bob2o$38b2o24b2o20bo$
39bo24bo13b2o4b3o$36b3o26b3o10b2o3bo3b2o$36bo30bo15b4o2bo$67bob2o15bob
2o$65b2obobo12b3o2bo$9bo55bo2bo13bo5bo$9b3o55b2o14b5o$12bo72bo$11b2o3$
2ob2o$2obo$3bo$3b3o4b2o$b2o3bo3b2o$o2b4o$2obo15b2o$bo2b3o12bobo$bo5bo
13bo$2b5o14b2o$4bo22bo$25b3o$24bo$24b2o2$73b2o$73bobo$38bo34bo$38b3o$
41bo$14b2o24b2o$13bobo5b2o$13bo7b2o$12b2o15b2ob2o45bo$29b2obo45bobo$
26bo5bo45bo2bo$22b2obobo4b3o4b2o39bo$21bobobobo2b2o3bo3b2o$18bo2bobobo
bobo2b4o48b2o$18b4ob2o2bo2bobo15b2o14b2o17bo2bo$22bo4b2obo2b3o12bobo2b
2o10bo17bobo$18b2o2bob3o3bo5bo13bo2bo11bobo16bo$18b2o3b2o3b2ob5o14b3o
2bo10b2o12b3o$29bo3bo19b3o24b2o$27bobo22bo$27b2o23b2o$37b2o48b2o$38bo
48b2o$38bob2o$39bo2bo$40b2o$55b2o$55b2o4$64bo3b2o$63bobo3bo$62bobo3bo$
58b2obobo3bo$58b2obo2b4obo5b2o$62bobo3bobo5bo$58b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o$59b
obo2b2o3bo3bo13bo$47b2o10bobo26bo$47b2o11bo25b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby dvgrn » April 4th, 2015, 12:32 pm

Something off the top of the tentative-guns list -- p84 seems to need a slight area-increasing adjustment, but it still just squeaks by to displace the old fixed gun:

#C p84 = p00708_6 with +1fd adjustment to left-hand loop
x = 99, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
63b2o$63bobo$65bo4b2o$61b4ob2o2bo2bo$61bo2bobobobob2o$64bobobobo$28b2o
3b2o30b2obobo$26b3obo2b2o34bo$25bo4bo$25bo2b2ob4o20b2o$24b2obobobo2bo
21bo$25bobobobo24bobo$25bobob2o26b2o$26bo37b3o12bo$79b3o$39b2o23bo2bo
14bo$19bo10b2o7bo25b2o14bobo$17b3o10b2o5bobo41bobo$16bo20b2o43bo$15bob
o49b2o$15bobo49bo$16bo51b3o$70bo$97b2o$85bo11b2o$18bo8b2o55b3o$2o15bo
10bo54bo3bo$2o15b3o5b3o55b2ob2o$25bo11b3o37b2o$37bo38bobo$38bo37bo$20b
2o53b2o$20bobo$22bo22b2o$22b2o22b2o44b2obo$45bo46b2ob3o$13bo84bo$3bob
2o5b4o76b2ob3o$b3ob2o5bo3bo74bo2b2o$o12bo2bo73bobo$b3ob2o6b3o56bo9b3o
4bobob2obo$3b2o2bo64b3o7b3o5bo2bob2o$6bobo66bo9b2o6bo$2bob2obobo16bo
47b2o5b3o2bo5b2o$2b2obo2bo15b3o62bobo2b2o$5bo17bo62bo2b2o2bo2bo$5b2o
16b2o56b2o3bo7b2o$3b2o2bobo72bo2bo$2bo2bo2b2o73bobo$3b2o53b3o34b2o$58b
o36bo$59bo33bobo$93b2o2$25bo41b2o$24b3o39bo$22b2o2b2o39bobo5b2o$10b2o
10b6o3b2o35bo6b2o$10b2o4b3o3b2ob3o3b2o42bo$17b2o3bo49b2o$18b2obo49bo2b
o$9b2o8bo4bo46bobo$10bo8bo52bo25bo$7b3o10bo3bo54b2o15bobo$7bo13bobo55b
2o16b2o$22b3o$24b2o$24bo$25b3o$27bo!
[[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 840 ]]

And just by the way, p708+8N can really be p700+8N. (I knew I would regret posting those 90-degree turners one step out from their minimum welded configuration, but I did it anyway. My humblemost apologies.)

Conversely, here's a fixed gun that should get p471 permanently out of the Hall of Shame:

x = 73, y = 66, rule = B3/S23
33b2o3b2o$33b2o2bob3o$37bo4bo$33b4ob2o2bo$33bo2bobobob2o$36bobobobo$
37b2obobo$41bo2$27b2o$28bo7b2o$28bobo5b2o$29b2o3$53bo$53b3o$56bo$55bob
o$39b2o14bobo$39bo16bo$40b3o$42bo3$71b2o$71b2o4$51b2o$50bobo$50bo$49b
2o7b2o$5bo52b2o$5b3o$8bo57b2obo$7b2o57b2ob3o$72bo$66b2ob3o$21b2o42bo2b
2o$21bo42bobo$13bo5bobo24bo16bobob2obo$12bobo4b2o25b3o15bo2bob2o$11b2o
b2o33bo17bo$11b2o2bo11b2o19b2o16b2o$12bob2o11bo15bo19bobo2b2o$12b3o10b
obo15b3o17b2o2bo2bo$10b4o11b2o19bo21b2o$8b2obob2o30b2o$11bo$2b2o5b2o4b
o$bobo9bobo$bo$2o$42b2o$42b2o17b2o$61b2o3$13b2o47b2o$9b2o2b2o47bo$8bob
o38b2o12b3o$8bo25bo15bo14bo$7b2o26bo11b3o$33b3o11bo!
#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 1413 ]]

Converted to adjustability with three Snarks, it doesn't seem to set any records, but five Snarks allow for a compact p863+8N with X and Y slack up to N=3, and Y slack up to N=11... though I'm not sure yet that the weld at N=1 is possible (?):

x = 91, y = 82, rule = B3/S23
28b2o$27bobo$21b2o4bo$19bo2bo2b2ob4o$19b2obobobobo2bo$22bobobobo$22bob
ob2o$23bo2$36b2o41bo$27b2o7bo40b3o$9bo17b2o5bobo39bo$9b3o22b2o40b2o$
12bo$11b2o46b2o$60bo$60bobo26bo$3b2o56b2o11bo12b3o$3bo70bobo9bo$2obo
20b2o18b2o27bo2bo9b2o$o2b3o4b2o13bo18bo24b2o2b3o$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o21bo
21b6o$3b4o15bo2b3o14b5o20bo4b3o2bo7b2o$3bo15b2obobo2bo13bo26b2ob2obo
10b2o$4b3o12bobob2o2bobo12b3o24b3o4b2o$7bo13bo6b2o15bo$2b5o14bob2o17b
4o$2bo19bobo12b2o3bo3b2o$4bo32b2o4b3o2bo18b2o$3b2o40bob2o19bo$45bo19b
3o$44b2o19bo3$36b2o34b2o$36bo36bo$37b3o30b3o$39bo30bo4$6b2o$7bo82bo$5b
o82bobo$5b5o14b2o63b2o$10bo13bo2bo$7b3o12bobob2o$6bo15b2obo$6b4o15bo$
4b2o3bo3b2o10b3o$3bo2b3o4b2o13bo$3b2obo20b2o51b2o$6bo64b2o7b2o$6b2o64b
o$72bobo$67b2o4b2o$14b2o52bo20b2o$15bo52bobo18bo$12b3o22b2o19bo10b2o
16bobo$12bo17b2o5bobo16b3o28b2o$30b2o7bo15bo$39b2o14b2o$41bo$26bo14bo$
25bobob2o7b2obob2o$25bobobobo7bo2bo2bo$22b2obobobobo2bo2bobo3b2o$22bo
2bo2b2ob4o2b2o19b2o$24b2o4bo27b2o$30bobo$31b2o48b2o$81b2o2b2o$67bo3b2o
12bobo$66bobo3bo14bo$65bobo3bo15b2o$61b2obobo3bo$61b2obo2b4obo$65bobo
3bobo$61b2ob2o2bo2bobo$62bobo2b2o3bo$50b2o10bobo$50b2o11bo!
#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 1726 ]]

The fact that this wasn't already in the collection seems to imply that all the other syringe plus L conduit plus NW-output H-to-Gs haven't been tried yet. There are quite a few NW H-to-Gs. L156 has a different-color output than L112, so any NW lane output could be used. The L156 is eight cells taller, though, so maybe it won't actually set any records except for a few fixed loop guns.

Here's a silly new idea based on Guam's loaf-based 2G-to-G reflector, that just happened to barely improve a few guns:

#C p765+8N, but only one cell of slack
x = 111, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
51b2o$51b2o18b2o3b2o$71b2o2bob3o$75bo4bo$42b2o27b4ob2o2bo$43bo27bo2bob
obob2o$43bobo28bobobobo$44b2o15b2o12b2obobo$61b2o16bo2$65b2o$43b2o21bo
7b2o$43b2o7bo13bobo5b2o$51bobo13b2o$51bo2bo3b2o$52b2o4bobo2b2o$60bo2bo
$60b3o2bo$63b3o$62bo$62b2o13b2o22bo$77bo21b3o$78b3o17bo$80bo17b2o3$
106b2ob2o$52b2o53bob2o$51bobo5b2o46bo$51bo7b2o38b2o4b3o$50b2o47b2o3bo
3b2o$104b4o2bo$15b2o47bo25b2o15bob2o$8b2o5b2o43b2obobo23bobo12b3o2bo$
8b2o43b2o4bobobobo23bo13bo5bo$44b2o7bo2bo2bobobobob2o19b2o14b5o$44bo
10b5ob2o2bo2bo37bo$10b2o33bo14bo4b2o$10b2o32b2o9b4obo$4b2o48bo3b2o$4b
2o48b2o10b2o$66bo$64bobo$64b2o10bo$41b2o33b3o$41b2o36bo$19b2o57b2o$18b
obo72b2o$20bo72bo$90b2obo$10bo78bo2bo$2o8b2o78b2o$bo7bobo63b2o$bobo46b
2o23b2o$2b2o47bo$48b3o$48bo$62b2o3bo$62bo3bobo$63bo3bobo$64bo3bobob2o$
62bob4o2bob2o$61bobo3bobo$13b2o3b2o41bobo2bo2b2ob2o$13bobobobo42bo3b2o
2bobo$15bobo52bobo10b2o$7b2o4bobobobo51bo11b2o$7bo5b2o3b2o28bo$5bobo
41bo$5b2o40b3o!
#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 1530 ]]

Adding F171 instead of F117 shortened the gun quite a bit, but didn't set any records --

Code: Select all
#C not-quite-competitive p703+8N
x = 92, y = 74, rule = B3/S23
60bo11b2o$59bobo10b2o$51bo3b2o2bobo$50bobo2bo2b2ob2o$50bobo3bobo$51bob
4o2bob2o$53bo3bobob2o$52bo3bobo$5b2o40bo3bo3bobo$5bobo37b3o3b2o3bo$7bo
5b2o3b2o24bo$7b2o4bobobobo24b2o$15bobo$13bobobobo44b2o$13b2o3b2o44b2o$
79b2o$78bo2bo$79b2obo$82bo$82b2o$67b2o$68bo$65b3o19bo$2b2o48b2o11bo2b
3o14b5o$bobo48bo14bo2bo13bo5bo$bo51b3o10b2o2bobo12b3o2bo$2o53bo15b2o
15bob2o$85b4o2bo$80b2o3bo3b2o$48b2o30b2o4b3o$48bobo37bo$15bobo32bo37bo
b2o$16b2o32b2o35b2ob2o$16bo2$26bo52b2o$24bobo52bo$4b2o19b2o53b3o$4b2o
76bo$10b2o30b2o$10b2o30bo$43b3o$45bo$8b2o$8b2o5b2o$15b2o11$56b2o$56bo$
48b2o4bobo$47bo2bo3b2o$47bobo$39b2o7bo$39b2o3$57b2o$40b2o15b2o$39bobo$
39bo$38b2o2$85bo$47b2o37bo$47b2o35b3o!
#C [[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART ZOOM 5 STEP 8 HEIGHT 400 LOOP 1406 ]]

If we use the spare glider output from the F171, plus one of the color-changing 90-degree turners I posted, we get some nice edge-shooters at period 8N and 8N+4, but again no records that I can see right off:

x = 268, y = 69, rule = B3/S23
234b2o3b2o$234b2o2bob3o$238bo4bo$234b4ob2o2bo$234bo2bobobob2o$237bobob
obo$88b2o3b2o143b2obobo$88b2o2bob3o145bo$57bo11b2o21bo4bo99bo11b2o$56b
obo10b2o17b4ob2o2bo98bobo10b2o17b2o18bo$48bo3b2o2bobo29bo2bobobob2o89b
o3b2o2bobo30bo7b2o9b3o$47bobo2bo2b2ob2o31bobobobo89bobo2bo2b2ob2o29bob
o5b2o12bo$47bobo3bobo36b2obobo89bobo3bobo34b2o18bobo$48bob4o2bob2o36bo
91bob4o2bob2o50bobo$50bo3bobob2o130bo3bobob2o51bo$49bo3bobo26b2o18bo
86bo3bobo$44bo3bo3bobo28bo7b2o9b3o79bo3bo3bobo$42b3o3b2o3bo29bobo5b2o
12bo76b3o3b2o3bo$41bo42b2o18bobo74bo$41b2o61bobo74b2o57b2o24b2o$105bo
134bo25b2o$61b2o138b2o38b3o$61b2o138b2o40bo$76b2o138b2o$75bo2bo136bo2b
o27b2o$76b2obo14b2o24b2o94b2obo25bobo$79bo14bo25b2o97bo25bo$79b2o14b3o
121b2o23b2o7b2o$10b2o52b2o31bo52b2o52b2o47b2o$10b2o53bo84b2o53bo$62b3o
35b2o100b3o56b2obo$49b2o11bo36bobo87b2o11bo58b2ob3o$49bo49bo89bo77bo$
50b3o45b2o7b2o81b3o68b2ob3o$52bo54b2o83bo67bo2b2o$259bobo$115b2obo122b
o16bobob2obo$45b2o68b2ob3o64b2o54b3o15bo2bob2o$45bobo73bo63bobo56bo17b
o$47bo24b2o41b2ob3o66bo24b2o29b2o16b2o$47b2o24b2o39bo2b2o68b2o24b2o43b
obo2b2o$72bo40bobo96bo45b2o2bo2bo$95bo16bobob2obo116bo26b2o$2o93b3o15b
o2bob2o20b2o94b3o$2o96bo17bo23b2o97bo$59bo37b2o16b2o82bo38b2o$57b3o52b
obo2b2o78b3o$39b2o15bo55b2o2bo2bo59b2o15bo$21b2o16bo16b2o59b2o42b2o16b
o16b2o$21bobo16b3o118bobo16b3o$23bo18bo120bo18bo73b2o$23b2o138b2o91b2o
3$257b2o$46b2o138b2o69bo$45bobo5b2o55b2o73bobo5b2o37b2o24b3o$45bo7b2o
55b2o73bo7b2o36bobo26bo$44b2o138b2o45bo$93b2o135b2o$58bo33bobo16b2o85b
o$54b2obobo32bo18bo82b2obobo47b2o$53bobobobo31b2o19b3o78bobobobo47bo$
50bo2bobobob2o53bo75bo2bobobob2o47b3o$50b4ob2o2bo42b2o86b4ob2o2bo50bo$
54bo4bo42bo91bo4bo$18bo31b2o2bob3o44b3o52bo31b2o2bob3o$19bo30b2o3b2o
48bo53bo30b2o3b2o$17b3o137b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby simeks » April 4th, 2015, 6:28 pm

A simple p894+8n that takes for example p942 and p447 off the list.
Note how the area decreases with n up to n=9 as the two halves align, and then the height toggles between 60 and 61 up to n=15.

x = 119, y = 69, rule = B3/S23
86b2o3b2o$86b2o2bob3o$90bo4bo$86b4ob2o2bo$86bo2bobobob2o$89bobobobo$
90b2obobo$94bo$99bo$18b2o60b2o17b3o$18b2o61bo7b2o11bo$81bobo5b2o10bobo
$59b2o3b2o16b2o17bobo$57b3obo2b2o36bo$56bo4bo$56bo2b2ob4o$55b2obobobo
2bo$56bobobobo$56bobob2o55b2o$3b2o52bo34b2o23b2o$3b2o87bo$70b2o21b3o$
61b2o7bo24bo$61b2o5bobo24bob2o$68b2o23b2obobo$93bo2bo$95b2o7b2o$3b2o
99b2o$2bo2bo2b2o$3b2o2bobo102b2obo$5b2o16b2o87b2ob3o$5bo17bo34b2o58bo$
2b2obo2bo15b3o32bo52b2ob3o$2bob2obobo16bo29b3o52bo2b2o$6bobo47bo5bo47b
obo$3b2o2bo52b3o29bo16bobob2obo$b3ob2o52bo32b3o15bo2bob2o$o58b2o34bo
17bo$b3ob2o87b2o16b2o$3bob2o102bobo2b2o$109b2o2bo2bo$13b2o99b2o$13b2o
7b2o$22bo2bo$20bobob2o23b2o27b3o34b2o$20b2obo24bobo5b2o20bo36bo$23bo
24bo7b2o21bo33bobo$23b3o21b2o64b2o$26bo$2o23b2o34bo25b2o$2o55b2obobo
23bo$56bobobobo24bobo5b2o$53bo2bobobob2o24bo6b2o$53b4ob2o2bo32bo$57bo
4bo29b2o$16bo36b2o2bob3o29bo2bo$15bobo17b2o16b2o3b2o31bobo$15bobo10b2o
5bobo54bo25bo$16bo11b2o7bo61b2o15bobo$17b3o17b2o60b2o16b2o$19bo$24bo$
23bobob2o$23bobobobo$22b2obobobo2bo$23bo2b2ob4o$23bo4bo$24b3obo2b2o$
26b2o3b2o!

By the way, I noticed that the welding in p541 can also be used in p531 and p532, bringing them down to p515+8n and p516+8n.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby Sokwe » April 4th, 2015, 7:32 pm

Very slightly smaller p661 (also improves p669, p677, and p685):
x = 89, y = 81, rule = B3/S23
40b2o$39bobo$33b2o4bo$31bo2bo2b2ob4o$31b2obobobobo2bo$34bobobobo16bo$
34bobob2o16bobo$35bo20bobo$55b2ob3o$48b2o11bo$39b2o7bo6b2ob3o$39b2o5bo
bo6b2obo8b2o$46b2o19bo$65bobo$65b2o13b2o$80b2o3$86b2o$36b2o48b2o$37bo
7b2o35b2o$34b3o7b2o36b2o$34bo11bo$9bo$9b3o$12bo74b2o$11b2o74b2o3$3b2o$
3bo$2obo52b2o$o2b3o4b2o38b2o4bo$b2o3bo3b2o38b2o5b3o$3b4o52bo$3bo15b2o$
4b3o12bobo$7bo13bo$2b5o14b2o$2bo$4bo$3b2o2$65b2o21bo$64bobo19bobo$64bo
22b2o$63b2o5$75b2o$64bo10b2o$64b3o$55bo11bo14bob2o$55b3o8b2o14b2obo$
58bo$45bo11b2o$43b3o$42bo$42b2o35b2o$27b2o50b2o$28bo$28bob2o$29bo2bo$
30b2o47b2obo$45b2o32b2ob3o$45b2o23b2o13bo$70bo8b2ob3o$71b3o6bobo$73bo
6bobo$54bo3b2o21bo$53bobo3bo$52bobo3bo$48b2obobo3bo$48b2obo2b4obo$52bo
bo3bobo$48b2ob2o2bo2bobo$49bobo2b2o3bo$37b2o10bobo$37b2o11bo!


Here are some nearly trivial reductions of a few small guns:

Reduction of p208 by reorienting a semi-snark:
x = 48, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
34b2o8b2o$26bo7bo9b2o$25bobo4bobo$11b3o12bo5b2o$9bob3o22b2o6b3o$8bobob
o23b2o7b2o$8bo2bo8bo21b2o$b2o6b2o9bo21b3o$bobo9b2o5bobo20bobo$3b3o8b2o
2bo4b2o19b2o$2bo3bob2o4b2o2bo4b2o$2b2obo5bo$5bo5bo$2b2obo5bo13bo18b2o$
2bo3bob2o15bobo15bo2bo$3b3o11b2o6b2o15bobobo$bobo8b2o3b2o22b3obo$b2o9b
2o14bo12b3o$27bobo$28bo$4bo$3bobo$4bo4$7b2o$7b2o$2b2o$bobo$bo$2o13b2o$
15bo10bo$8b2o6b3o8bo$8b2o8bo6b3o19bo!


Reduction of p288 by fusing a semi-snark to a p6:
x = 50, y = 42, rule = B3/S23
19b2o24b2o$19b2o23bo2bo$27b2o16bobo$26bo2bo16bo$27b2o14bo$43b2o$43b3o$
31b2o10b2o$32b3o8bo$30bo4bo$7bo13bobo7b3o$5b2obo11b2obo9b2o$5b2obo11b
3o$6b2o$37b2o$3b2o12b2o17bo2bo$3b2o12b2o18b2o$45b2o$45b2o2$3bo14bo$2bo
bo12bobo17b2o5b2o$2bob2o2bo4bo2b2obo17b2o5bo$2o2bo2b2o4b2o2bo2b2o4b2o
14bobo$bobo14bobo5b2o14b2o$bob6o3bob5o2bo16b2o$2bo5bo3b2obo3b3o16bobo$
3b3o12bo20bo$5bo11bobo23bo$18bo23b3o$41b3obo$42bo3bo$43bo3bo$21b2o21bo
b3o$21b2o22b3o$16b2o28bo$15bobo31bo$15bo$14b2o13b2o$29bo10bo$22b2o6b3o
8bo$22b2o8bo6b3o!


Reduction of p368 using a semi-snark:
x = 45, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
8bo$8b3o30bo$11bo27b3o$10b2o26bo$4b2o25bo6b2o$5bo24bobo$5bobo23bo$6b2o
5bo$12bobo21b2o$11b2ob2o20b2o5b2o$11b2o2b2o26b2o$12bobo2bo$13b2o3bo$
14b2obo8b2o$16bo9b2o$2o14bo$bo6b2o6bo6b2o16b2o$bobo5b3o5bo5b2o16bobo$
2b2o6bobo2b2o26bo$10bobobo2bo25b2o$15b2o2$15bo$14bobo$10b3obo2bo$10bo
5bo$11bo3bo28bo$12bo2bo11b2o13bobo$27bo15b2o$28b3o$30bo$16b2o$16bo$17b
3o$19bo!


Reduction of p376 by moving an eater:
x = 61, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
15bo7b2o3bo$15b3o5b2o3b3o5b2o7bo$8b2o8bo12bo4b2o5b3o$9bo7b2o11b2o10bo
8b2o$9bobo30b2o7bo$10b2o37bobo$33bo15b2o$5bo27bo$5b3o18b2o5bo21bo$8bo
17bobobo22b3o$7b2o17b3ob2o3b3o14bo$29b2o13b2o6b2o$14b3o16bo10b3o$14b2o
17bo12bo$2b2ob2o7bobo16bo12b2o$o2bob2o7bo32b2o5b2ob2o$2obo11bob2o29bo
5b2obo2bo$3bo12b3o22b2o2b3o9bob2o$3b2o37bob3o10bo$b2o2bobo35b2o11b2o$o
2bo2b2o45bobo2b2o$b2o16b2o32b2o2bo2bo$19bo20b2o16b2o$13b2o5b3o18bo$13b
2o7bo15b3o5b2o$38bo7b2o4$27bo$22b3ob2o2b2o$22b4o4b2o7bo$26b2o12bo$38b
3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby simeks » April 5th, 2015, 12:06 pm

A fixed p551 based on the p29 turner by Sokwe:

x = 89, y = 72, rule = B3/S23
26b2o3b2o$24b3obo2b2o$23bo4bo$23bo2b2ob4o$22b2obobobo2bo$23bobobobo$
23bobob2o$24bo$19bo$17b3o17b2o5b2o3b2o$16bo11b2o7bo6b2o2bob3o$15bobo
10b2o5bobo10bo4bo$15bobo17b2o7b4ob2o2bo$16bo27bo2bobobob2o$47bobobobo$
48b2obobo$52bo2$2o36b2o$2o23b2o12bo7b2o$26bo12bobo5b2o$23b3o14b2o$23bo
$20b2obo$20bobob2o$22bo2bo$13b2o7b2o$13b2o$50b2o$3bob2o43bo$b3ob2o44b
3o$o38b3o11bo$b3ob2o34bo$3b2o2bo32bo29b2o5b2o$6bobo61b2o5bo$2bob2obobo
16bo48bobo$2b2obo2bo15b3o48b2o$5bo17bo47b2o$5b2o16b2o46bobo6bo$3b2o2bo
bo62bo5b3o$2bo2bo2b2o67bo$3b2o67bo4b2o$72bo$72bo$51b2o14bo7bo$45bo5b2o
13bobob2obobo4b2o$44bobo19bo8bo4b2o$45bo21bo$52bo10b2o3bo3bobo$10b2o
19b2o18b3o5b2o2b2o7bo11b2o$10b2o19b2o13bo3b2ob2o3bobo8bo7bo7bo$45b3o3b
3o5bo8bo4bobobo7bob2o$44b2ob2o3bo14bo9bo6b2o2bo$9b2o27b2o5b3o13b2o5b2o
4bo6bo4b2o$10bo27bo7bo14bo12bo6b5o$7b3o25b2obo17b2o4b3o9bo4b2o4bo$7bo
21b2o4bo2b2o16bobo5bo15bo2b2o$28bobo5b2o4bo15bo21bobo$28bo9b5o8b2o5b2o
15bo2bobobo$27b2o9bo4b2o6b2o22b4ob2o$26bo2b2o8b2o2bo35bo$15b2o10b2o2bo
9bobo33bobo$15b2o13bo2bo7bobobo2bo28b2o$27b2obob2o8b2ob4o$27bo2bo13bo$
29b2o13bobo$45b2o2$18b2o$19bo8bo$16b3o10bo$16bo10b3o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby chris_c » April 5th, 2015, 2:00 pm

simeks wrote:A fixed p551 based on the p29 turner by Sokwe


Brilliant! I saw the factorisation 551 = 19 * 29 but I didn't know about that p29 turner. Congratulations.

I have just pushed 7 commits (hopefully) containing all of the proposals in the last couple of days. The most complicated changes were to deal with overhanging guns such as your p894. Please somebody shout if the numbers in those commits are incorrect.

This is the latest Hall of Shame. Only a couple of guns above 9,000 cells if I didn't make any mistakes.

*******************************
Hall of Shame (p100 or greater)
*******************************
509 (9086, 'p00906_14')              (5 mod 8)
543 (9009, 'p00894_24')              (7 mod 8)
993 (8988, 'p00921_9')               (1 mod 8)
985 (8904, 'p00921_8')               (1 mod 8)
997 (8840, 'p00973_3')               (5 mod 8)
977 (8820, 'p00921_7')               (1 mod 8)
533 (8820, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
501 (8816, 'p00906_12')              (5 mod 8)
989 (8755, 'p00973_2')               (5 mod 8)
517 (8742, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
969 (8736, 'p00921_6')               (1 mod 8)
965 (8732, 'p00901_8')               (5 mod 8)
653 (8712, 'p00541_14')              (5 mod 8)
437 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
453 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
906 (8704, 'fixed')                  (2 mod 8)
899 (8687, 'p00803_12')              (3 mod 8)
957 (8673, 'p00901_7')               (5 mod 8)
981 (8670, 'p00973_1')               (5 mod 8)
461 (8662, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby dvgrn » April 5th, 2015, 7:51 pm

chris_c wrote:This is the latest Hall of Shame. Only a couple of guns above 9,000 cells if I didn't make any mistakes.

If it turns out that you didn't make any mistakes, I'll be very impressed. Spot checks have all worked out so far.

Over three quarters of the old gun collection has been replaced by syringe-assisted variable guns already, and there are several fixed guns still left in the Hall of Shame. But now it looks to me like the most tempting targets are in the p14 to p77 range..!

Here are a couple of my initial attempts at bootstrapping and period-dividing a p124 Herschel conduit to get p62. Unsuccessful attempts -- no records here yet, to say the least:

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x = 184, y = 242, rule = B3/S23
127b2o$127bobo$129bo4b2o$125b4ob2o2bo2bo$125bo2bobobobob2o$128bobobobo
$129b2obobo$133bo2$119b2o$120bo7b2o$120bobo5b2o$121b2o2$136bo$137bo$
135b3o3$131b2o$131bo$132b3o$108b2o24bo$109bo$107bo$107b5o14b2o$112bo
13bo$109b3o12bobo$108bo15b2o$108b4o$106b2o3bo3b2o$105bo2b3o4b2o$105b2o
bo$108bo$108b2o2$125b3o$116b2o7bo$117bo8bo$114b3o$114bo5$167bo$168bo$
82b2o11bo70b3o$82b2o10bobo$94bobo2b2o3bo$93b2ob2o2bo2bobo$97bobo3bobo
12b2o63bo$93b2obo2b4obo13bo62b3o$93b2obobo3bo13bobo61bo$97bobo3bo12b2o
62b2o$37b2o11bo47bobo3bo$37b2o10bobo47bo3b2o$49bobo2b2o3bo65bo42bo$48b
2ob2o2bo2bobo64b3o38b3o$52bobo3bobo38b2o27bo36bo$48b2obo2b4obo30b2o7bo
bo25b2o11b2o11bo11b2o$48b2obobo3bo32b2o7bo40b2o9bob2o28bo$52bobo3bo16b
2o7b2o24bo39b2obo27bobo$53bobo3bo14bo2bo5bobo23b3o40bo29b2o$54bo3b2o
13bob2o8bo19b2obobobo$42b2o29bo31b2obo3b2o$45b2o24b3o32bo2bob2o$42bo2b
3o22bo16b2o15bob2ob2o66b2o$43b2obobo21b2o15bo19b4o65bo2bo$44b2o2b2o38b
3o11bo3b3o6b2o60b2o$30b2o13b4o41bo11bo12b2o35b2o$29bo2bo12b3o55bo49bo$
28bob2o68b3o47b3o6bob2o17b2o$28bo71bo49bo6b3ob2o17bo$27b2o127bo24b3o$
42b2o113b3ob2o20bo$42bo35b2o61b2o16bobo$43b3o32b2o61bobo15bobo$45bo11b
2o84bo16bo10b2o$58bo84b2o26bo$55b3o8b2o104b3o$55bo11bo44bobo59bo$64b3o
45b2o$26bo37bo10bo37bo$26b2o45b3o$25bobo44bo11bo$72b2o8b3o$81bo$81b2o
11bo$60b2o32b3o$60b2o35bo$96b2o$111b2o$39bo71bo$37b3o68b2obo$36bo55b3o
12bo2bo$23b2o12bo11bo41b4o13b2o$23b2o6b3o3bo11b3o38b2o2b2o$29b4o19bo
15b2o21bobob2o$29b2ob2obo15b2o16bo22b3o2bo$2bo24b2obo2bo32b3o24b2o$bob
o22b2o3bob2o31bo29b2o$bobo23bobobob2o19bo8b2obo13b2o3bo$2bo25b3o23bobo
5bo2bo14bo3bobo$29bo24b2o7b2o16bo3bobo$40bo7b2o32bo3bobob2o$38bobo7b2o
30bob4o2bob2o$39b2o38bobo3bobo$79bobo2bo2b2ob2o$80bo3b2o2bobo$35b2o3bo
47bobo10b2o$35bo3bobo47bo11b2o$22b2o12bo3bobo$21bobo13bo3bobob2o$21bo
13bob4o2bob2o$20b2o12bobo3bobo$34bobo2bo2b2ob2o$35bo3b2o2bobo$43bobo
10b2o$44bo11b2o11$158bo$156b3o$68b2o11bo73bo26b2o$68b2o10bobo61bo10b2o
24bobo$80bobo2b2o3bo52bobo37bo$79b2ob2o2bo2bobo51bobo$83bobo3bobo49b3o
b2o20bo$79b2obo2b4obo3bo9bo35bo24b3o$79b2obobo3bo5b3o5b3o29bo6b3ob2o
17bo$83bobo3bo7bo3bo13b2o17b3o6bob2o17b2o$84bobo3bo5b2o3b2o13bo20bo14b
o$85bo3b2o24bo20b2o15bo$74bo40b2o36b2o6b2o$72b2o78bo7bo2bo$75bobo70bo
3bo8b2o$76b3o70b2o$77bo75bobo$61b2o91b2o$60bo2bo50bo3b2o34bo11b3o$59bo
b2o40bo4b2o4b2o2b2o48bo$59bo44b2o9b2o50bo$58b2o54b2o33b2o23bo$73b2o74b
o22b3o$73bo76b3o18bo$74b3o75bo18b2o$76bo10b2o$86bobo11b2o6bo$86bo13b2o
6b3o68b2o$85b2o24bo13bo54bo$110b2o12bo55bob2o$124b3o45b2o4b3o2bo$172b
2o3bo3b2o$55bo121b4o$55b2o106b2o15bo$54bobo105bobo12b3o$162bo13bo$161b
2o14b5o$181bo$179bo$179b2o2$98bo$98b3o$101bo$100b2o2$158bobo$92b2o64b
2o$92bo66bo$89b2obo42b3o$89bo2b3o4b2o36bo$90b2o3bo3b2o35bo$92b4o$92bo
15b2o$93b3o12bobo$96bo13bo$91b5o14b2o$91bo$93bo12bo$92b2o13bo10bo$105b
3o8b3o$115bo$115b2o$24bo$24b2o$23bobo4$105b2o$104bobo5b2o$104bo7b2o$3b
2o98b2o$4bo$2bo114bo$2b5o14b2o90b2obobo$7bo13bo90bobobobo$4b3o12bobo
87bo2bobobobob2o5bobo$3bo15b2o88b4ob2o2bo2bo5b2o$3b4o106bo4b2o8bo$b2o
3bo3b2o99bobo$o2b3o4b2o99b2o$2obo53bo14b2o$3bo51b3o14bo24b2o$3b2o49bo
18b3o6b2o13bo$54b2o19bo6b2o11bobo$95b2o10bo$11b2o18bo75b3o$12bo18b3o
76bo$9b3o22bo74b2o$9bo23b2o33b2o54b2o$67b2o9b2o44bo$64b2o2b2o4b2o4bo
40b2obo$29bo34b2o3bo50bo2bo$28b2o91b2o$28bobo75bo$33b2o70b3o$21b2o8bo
3bo70bobo$20bo2bo7bo78b2o$21b2o6b2o36b2o40bo$30bo15b2o20bo24b2o3bo$31b
o14bo20bo13b2o3b2o5bo3bobo$18b2o17b2obo6b3o17b2o13bo3bo7bo3bobo$19bo
17b2ob3o6bo29b3o5b3o5bo3bobob2o$16b3o24bo35bo9bo3bob4o2bob2o$16bo20b2o
b3o49bobo3bobo$2b2o34bobo51bobo2bo2b2ob2o$3bo34bobo52bo3b2o2bobo$3o24b
2o10bo61bobo10b2o$o27bo73bo11b2o$25b3o$25bo!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 X -55 ZOOM 1.9 LOOP 6200 ]]

Seems as if a lot of the easy symmetrical doubled conduits, like the above oversized efforts, are going to be beaten eventually by asymmetrical custom "bootstrap loops" -- short chunks of Herschel track that feed on their own output gliders and produce Herschel factories of various periods, usually fixed periods.

So for p14 through p77 it looks like it may be useful to know not just the smallest guns, but also small Herschel factories of various shapes, for attaching to edge shooters and period dividers.

Would a walkthrough of a Hersrch search for these things be useful to anyone -- let's say just a sample using whatever period I decide to try first? (Probably p62: now I'm curious.) Or is Hersrch already familiar territory for everyone who is likely to try their hand at gun-building?

Watch out for these period/2 attachments, though. They're deceptively troublesome, and seem to enjoy taking up a lot of space. They can be set up to halve any period of the form 8N+4, I believe... but not always with a reasonable loop length.

EDIT:Well, the straightforward search approach with Hersrch doesn't seem to turn up anything better than this, which is a few thousand cells short of a record:

x = 270, y = 141, rule = B3/S23
135b2o$135bobo$137bo4b2o$133b4ob2o2bo2bo$133bo2bobobobob2o$50bo85bobob
obo$50b3o84b2obobo$53bo87bo$52b2o$65bo61b2o$63b3o62bo7b2o$62bo65bobo5b
2o$62b2o65b2o$94b2o$57bo36b2o$36bo11b2o6bobo17b2ob2o$34b3o11b2o5b2obo
16bobobobo$33bo22b2o17bo3bobo$33b2o38bobo2bo2bob2o$73b2o3bobo2b2o4bo
49b2o$10bo19bo20bo3bobo8bo10b2ob2o8bo48bo$10b3o17b2o18b4o11bobo17b2o
42b2o9b3o$13bo15bobo18bo7b2o5bo2bo16bo4bo25b2o10bobo11bo$3b2o7b2o44b3o
bo5bo16bo2bo28bo12bo$4bo47bo4bo3b2obo3bo17b3o2bo23bo$4bobo8bo27b2o8bo
3bo4bo4bo22bo24b5o14b2o$5b2o7b3o26b2o9bo3bo4bo7b2o18bo28bo13bo$13bo2b
2o36bo16b2o44b3o12bobo$12b2o3b2obo33bo2bo43b2o13bo15b2o$13bobo2b2o3bo
30b3o43bo2bo12b4o$14b2o3bob2obo76b2obo9b2o3bo3b2o35bo$22bobo34b2o43bo
8bo2b3o4b2o33bobo$23b3o20b2o12b2o42b2o7b2obo42b2o$bo23b2o20bo10b3o28b
2o25bo$obo22bo20bo11bo31bo25b2o$bo14b2o8b3o17b2o39b3o$16bo11bo58bo$17b
3o104b2o$19bo105bo$122b3o$3b2o117bo$2bobo$2bo$b2o$17b2obo$17bob2o2$10b
2o99b2o$10b2o98b2o$112bo2$93bo42bo12b2o40bo$74bo18b3o38b3o12bobo37b3o$
74b3o19bo36bo15bo38bo$77bo17b2o11b2o23b2o53b2o$2o74b2o30b2o$bo67bo$bob
o65b3o104bo$2b2o68bo101b3o$71b2o62b3o35bo$96b2o36b5o34b2o$93bob4o35b2o
2b2o51bo$10bo57b2o22b2obo3b2o36b2o3b2o45bobo$8b4o57bo23bo2b2ob2o41b2o
46b2o$8b4o57bobo22b6o19b2o56b2o$70b2o23bo22bobo57b2o$118bo54b2o2bo$8b
4o66b2o37b2o10b2o42b2o2bo7b2o$8b3o53bo12bo2bo14b2o33bo42b2o9bo2bo$9bo
35b2o17b3o10bob2o10bo3b2o30b3o9b2o34b3o7b2o$46bo20bo22bobo16b2o16bo11b
o20b2o13b3o$45bo20b2o7bo13bobo17bobo28bo20bo$45b2o29bo12bo21bo27b2o17b
3o6bob2o17b2o$36b2o39bo10b2o21b2o45bo6b3ob2o17bo$36bobo37b2o86bo24b3o$
3b2ob2o30bo126b3ob2o20bo$4bobo160bobo36bo$3bo2bobo30bo127bobo37bo$3b2o
2b2o25bo13b2o118bo10b2o24b3o$33b2o5b2o6b2o129bo$32bo8bo138b3o$34bobo4b
o140bo$5b2obo22bo2bo3b3o$5bob2o22b2o2bo38b2o3bo$33b3o39bo4b2o$34bo37b
3o3b2o$58b2o12bo7bo$9b2o48bo$8bobo12b2o31b3o$8bo14b2o31bo$7b2o17$237bo
$238bo$236b3o$240b2o$240bo$241b3o$243bo25$268bo$269bo$267b3o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 X 35 ZOOM 2 HEIGHT 300 LOOP 3100 ]]

Hersrch's problem is that the search space is very limited -- the Herschel has to get to a particular diagonal at a particular time (mod 124). So there are only two degrees of freedom, and the time one is kind of sparse.

Quite possibly adding a Snark reflection in the bootstrap glider stream would add a third degree of freedom and increase the odds of a lucky fit.

Really it looks as if Hersrch will have a much harder time finding optimal solutions nowadays. Often the optimal solution will involve two or three syringes and/or Snarks, with one degree of freedom for each.

It's possible to set up the equations in Hersrch for any specific arrangement of syringes and Snarks, but Hersrch doesn't know how to search through all the possible compact arrangements for you.

EDIT: Known variable-gun Herschel factories produce about the same results so far, thanks to the awkward geometry of the period divider:

x = 184, y = 89, rule = B3/S23
127b2o$127bobo$129bo4b2o$125b4ob2o2bo2bo$125bo2bobobobob2o$128bobobobo
$129b2obobo$133bo2$119b2o$120bo7b2o$120bobo5b2o$121b2o7$131b2o$131bo$
28b2o3b2o86b2o9b3o$26b3obo2b2o73b2o10bobo11bo$25bo4bo78bo12bo$25bo2b2o
b4o28b2o11bo30bo$24b2obobobo2bo28b2o10bobo29b5o14b2o$25bobobobo43bobo
2b2o3bo26bo13bo$25bobob2o43b2ob2o2bo2bobo22b3o12bobo$26bo51bobo3bobo
21bo15b2o$74b2obo2b4obo22b4o$39b2o33b2obobo3bo22b2o3bo3b2o35bo$19bo10b
2o7bo38bobo3bo20bo2b3o4b2o33bobo$17b3o10b2o5bobo39bobo3bo3bo6bo8b2obo
42b2o$16bo20b2o41bo3b2o3b3o4bobo9bo$15bobo74bo2bobo10b2o$15bobo50b4obo
17b2o4bo$16bo52bo$69bo4b2o40b2o$69bo5bo41bo$56b2o17bo38b3o$27b2o26bo2b
o12bo2bo39bo$2o26bo25bob2o14bo$2o23b3o26bo$25bo27b2o$12b3o53b2o$12bobo
53bo36b2o$12bobo5b2o47b3o34bo$20bobo19b2o27bo11b2o21bobo$22bo18b2o41bo
22bobo$22b2o19bo37b3o24bo3b2o$81bo12b2o2b3o11b2o$93bo2b2o30bo12b2o40bo
$3bob2o45b2o39bo5bo26b3o12bobo37b3o$b3ob2o44bobo33b2o5b3o28bo15bo38bo$
o52bo32bobo36b2o53b2o$b3ob2o79bo10b2o$3b2o2bo77b2o10b2o$6bobo159bo$2bo
b2obobo16bo139b3o$2b2obo2bo15b3o100b3o35bo$5bo17bo102b5o34b2o$5b2o16b
2o101b2o2b2o51bo$3b2o2bobo119b2o3b2o45bobo$2bo2bo2b2o83b2o39b2o46b2o$
3b2o26bo62bo16b2o56b2o$29b3o59b3o16bobo57b2o$28bo40bo21bo18bo54b2o2bo$
20b2o6b2o39b3o37b2o10b2o42b2o2bo7b2o$72bo49bo42b2o9bo2bo$71b2o46b3o9b
2o34b3o7b2o$13b2o104bo11bo20b2o13b3o$15bo5b2o109bo20bo$10b2o9bobo49b2o
56b2o17b3o6bob2o17b2o$10bo12bo48bo2bo74bo6b3ob2o17bo$17b4o2bo132bo24b
3o$9bo3bo4bobobo50b3o81b3ob2o20bo$9bo10b2o59b2o76bobo$10bo70bobo75bobo
$7b3o24b2o47bo76bo10b2o$7bo26bobo46b2o86bo$36bo135b3o$36b2o32bo103bo$
69bobob2o$19b2o48bobobobo$20bo47b2obobobo2bo$17b3o49bo2b2ob4o$17bo51bo
4bo$70b3obo2b2o$72b2o3b2o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 X -10 Y -10 ZOOM 2 HEIGHT 300 LOOP 3100 ]]
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby dvgrn » April 5th, 2015, 11:34 pm

I was surprised to find that the syringe catalyst can be adapted to allow an Fx119 to be attached. This allows various small guns to be trivially turned into, um, not-so-small Herschel factories.

With any luck someone will come up with a better use for the Fx119 connection than these:

#C three Herschel factories and an oversized gun using syringe+Fx119
x = 340, y = 171, rule = B3/S23
68b2o$67bobo122bo$61b2o4bo124b3o$59bo2bo2b2ob4o123bo$59b2obobobobo2bo
122b2o$62bobobobo114bo$62bobob2o115b3o19b2o32b2o$63bo122bo18bo32bobo$
185b2o16bobo26b2o4bo$76b2o125b2o25bo2bo2b2ob4o$67b2o7bo153b2obobobobo
2bo$67b2o5bobo109b2o45bobobobo$74b2o110b2o45bobob2o$234bo2$247b2o$238b
2o7bo$238b2o5bobo$245b2o$64b2o$65bo113b2o$62b3o113bo2bo2b2o$38bo23bo
116b2o2bobo$38b3o140b2o16b2o$41bo139bo17bo$40b2o136b2obo2bo15b3o32b2o$
178bob2obobo16bo33bo$182bobo48b3o$32b2o145b2o2bo49bo$32bo144b3ob2o$29b
2obo143bo$29bo2b3o4b2o136b3ob2o58b2o$30b2o3bo3b2o138bob2o59bo$32b4o
203b3o$32bo15b2o14b2o123b2o48bo4b2o6b2o$33b3o12bobo2b2o10bo123b2o7b2o
45bo6bobo4b2o$36bo13bo2bo11bobo130bo46bobo4bo6b2o$31b5o14b3o2bo10b2o
128bobo36bo10b2o$31bo21b3o56bo83b2o35b3o56bo$33bo18bo57b3o119bo57b3o$
32b2o18b2o55bo90bo31b2o55bo$37b2o48b2o20b2o89b3o14b2o47b2o21b2o$38bo
48b2o8bo78b2o25bo14bo47b2o9bo$38bob2o55b3o76b2o24b2o14bob2o55b3o$39bo
2bo57bo118bo2bo57bo$40b2o57b2o119b2o57b2o$50b3o182b2o$50bo184b2o$50b3o
33b2o25b2o11bo65bo100b2o11bo$85bo2bo24b2o11b3o62bobo99b2o11b3o$85bobo
41bo61bobo18b2o95bo$64bo3b2o16bo41b2o62bo12b2o5bobo29bo3b2o58b2o$63bob
o3bo123b3o9b2o7bo28bobo3bo$62bobo3bo126bo18b2o26bobo3bo$58b2obobo3bo
170b2obobo3bo$58b2obo2b4obo131bo36b2obo2b4obo$62bobo3bobo66bo62bobob2o
36bobo3bobo66bo$58b2ob2obobo2bo65b3o62bobobobo31b2ob2obobo2bo65b3o$59b
obo2bob3o49b2o15bobo61b2obobobo2bo29bobo2bob3o49b2o15bobo$47b2o10bobo
2bo10b2o13b2o26b2o15bo64bo2b2ob4o17b2o10bobo2bo10b2o13b2o26b2o15bo$47b
2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o13b2o54bo53bo4bo21b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o13b2o54bo$66bo
3b2o73bobo53b3obo2b2o36bo3b2o73bobo$64bo80bobo55b2o3b2o34bo80bobo$64b
2o80bo97b2o80bo$69b2o178b2o$70bo4b2o38b2o133bo4b2o38b2o$67b3o5b2o38bo
131b3o5b2o38bo$67bo48bo130bo48bo$115b2o178b2o23$192bo$192b3o$195bo$47b
o146b2o$38b2o5b3o135bo$38b2o4bo138b3o19b2o32b2o$44b2o140bo18bo32bobo$
49b2o134b2o16bobo26b2o4bo$50bo152b2o25bo2bo2b2ob4o$43b2o3bo181b2obobob
obo2bo$23b2o13b2o3b2o3b2o4bo11b2o118b2o45bobobobo$23b2o13b2o10bo2bobo
10b2o118b2o45bobob2o$46b3obo2bobo178bo$45bo2bobob2ob2o$44bobo3bobo194b
2o$45bob4o2bob2o181b2o7bo$47bo3bobob2o181b2o5bobo$46bo3bobo192b2o$45bo
3bobo286b2o$2b2o41b2o3bo128b2o157bo$bobo174bo2bo2b2o150bobo$bo177b2o2b
obo150b2o$2o179b2o16b2o$58b2o121bo17bo$58b2o118b2obo2bo15b3o32b2o$73b
2o103bob2obobo16bo33bo$9b2o61bo2bo106bobo48b3o$9b2o62b2obo102b2o2bo49b
o$27b2o47bo100b3ob2o$27b2o47b2o98bo$61b2o114b3ob2o58b2o$62bo116bob2o
59bo$59b3o177b3o$47b2o10bo4b2o6b2o115b2o48bo4b2o6b2o$34b2o11bobo15bo6b
obo4b2o108b2o7b2o45bo6bobo4b2o$34b2o13bo15bobo4bo6b2o117bo46bobo4bo6b
2o$49b2o4bo10b2o128bobo36bo10b2o$53b3o56bo83b2o35b3o$52bo57b3o119bo$
52b2o55bo90bo31b2o$37b2o47b2o21b2o89b3o14b2o47b2o23bo$38bo47b2o9bo78b
2o25bo14bo47b2o21b3o$38bob2o55b3o76b2o24b2o14bob2o66bo$39bo2bo57bo118b
o2bo55b2o8b2o$40b2o57b2o119b2o57bo$55b2o178b2o42bobo$55b2o178b2o43b2o$
113b2o11bo65bo101b2o$113b2o11b3o62bobo100b2o$129bo61bobo18b2o$64bo3b2o
58b2o62bo12b2o5bobo29bo3b2o$63bobo3bo123b3o9b2o7bo28bobo3bo$62bobo3bo
126bo18b2o26bobo3bo45b2o$58b2obobo3bo170b2obobo3bo46b2o$58b2obo2b4obo
131bo36b2obo2b4obo$62bobo3bobo66bo62bobob2o36bobo3bobo$58b2ob2obobo2bo
65b3o62bobobobo31b2ob2obobo2bo$59bobo2bob3o49b2o15bobo61b2obobobo2bo
29bobo2bob3o$47b2o10bobo2bo10b2o13b2o26b2o15bo64bo2b2ob4o17b2o10bobo2b
o10b2o13b2o$47b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o13b2o54bo53bo4bo21b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o
13b2o$66bo3b2o73bobo53b3obo2b2o36bo3b2o$64bo80bobo55b2o3b2o34bo$64b2o
80bo97b2o47b2o$69b2o178b2o41bobo$70bo4b2o38b2o133bo4b2o37bo$67b3o5b2o
38bo131b3o5b2o$67bo48bo130bo$115b2o11$279b2o$279b2o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 1.4 X 4 HEIGHT 320 ]]

The problem is that one of the above non-standard Fx119 variants has to be used. The standard Fx119 puts out a second SW glider 8fd from the first natural glider. The syringe catalyst has an eater head sticking out in exactly the right place, and it looks like it's designed to take care of it... but it can't. That second SW glider has to be suppressed.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby simeks » April 6th, 2015, 6:46 pm

chris_c wrote:Congratulations.

Well, thanks! When I saw the factorization and found that turner after searching the forum for "p29" I just had to try to build something from it...

chris_c wrote:The most complicated changes were to deal with overhanging guns such as your p894.

I didn't expect the p894 to improve on the p543, but after moving things around in it I realized it doesn't grow in height as quickly as I thought, so I got the same result!

dvgrn wrote:Or is Hersrch already familiar territory for everyone who is likely to try their hand at gun-building?

I've read about it, of course, but I haven't actually tried it out yet. A walkthrough would be really nice!

Here's a new p969 to get the current 1 mod 8s off the list:

x = 105, y = 79, rule = B3/S23
26b2o3b2o$24b3obo2b2o$23bo4bo22b2o3b2o$23bo2b2ob4o18b2o2bob3o$22b2obob
obo2bo22bo4bo$23bobobobo21b4ob2o2bo$23bobob2o22bo2bobobob2o$24bo29bobo
bobo$19bo35b2obobo$17b3o17b2o20bo$16bo11b2o7bo$15bobo10b2o5bobo7b2o$
15bobo17b2o9bo7b2o$16bo29bobo5b2o17bo$47b2o22b3o$70bo$70b2o2$2o$2o23b
2o51b2ob2o$26bo52bob2o$23b3o31b2o20bo$23bo33bo13b2o4b3o$20b2obo34b3o
10b2o3bo3b2o$20bobob2o20b3o11bo15b4o2bo$22bo2bo22bo11bob2o15bob2o$13b
2o7b2o23bo10b2obobo12b3o2bo$13b2o43bo2bo13bo5bo$60b2o14b5o3b2o$3bob2o
73bobo2bo$b3ob2o66b2o3bo3b3o$o72b2o2bob3o$b3ob2o70bo4bo$3b2o2bo65b4ob
2o2bo$6bobo64bo2bobobob2o$2bob2obobo16bo49bobobobo$2b2obo2bo15b3o50b2o
bobo$5bo17bo57bo$5b2o16b2o18bo$3b2o2bobo33b3o21b2o$2bo2bo2b2o36bo21bo
7b2o$3b2o40b2o21bobo5b2o17bo$69b2o22b3o$92bo$34b2ob2o53b2o$34b2obo$37b
o$37b3o4b2o54b2ob2o$35b2o3bo3b2o55bob2o$10b2o19b2obo2b4o38b2o20bo$10b
2o19b2ob2obo15b2o24bo13b2o4b3o$35bo2b3o12bobo2b2o20b3o10b2o3bo3b2o$35b
o5bo13bo2bo23bo15b4o2bo$9b2o25b5o14b3o2bo21bob2o15bob2o$10bo27bo19b3o
19b2obobo12b3o2bo$7b3o47bo21bo3bo13bo5bo$7bo21b2o26b2o19bo2b3o14b5o$
28bobo47b3o19bo$28bo52bo$27b2o51b2o$26bo2b2o$15b2o10b2o2bo$15b2o13bo2b
o$27b2obob2o13b2o$27bo2bo15bobo5b2o$29b2o15bo7b2o$45b2o43b2o$83b2o5bob
o$18b2o39bo23b2o7bo$19bo35b2obobo31b2o$16b3o35bobobobo$16bo34bo2bobobo
b2o17bo$51b4ob2o2bo17bobob2o$55bo4bo17bobobobo$51b2o2bob3o17b2obobobo
2bo$51b2o3b2o20bo2b2ob4o$35bo42bo4bo$36bo42b3obo2b2o$34b3o44b2o3b2o!

EDIT: Had a go at a low-period gun too - this is a simple p71:

x = 207, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
28b2o11bo118b2o11bo$28b2o10bobo117b2o10bobo$40bobo2b2o3bo121bobo2b2o3b
o$39b2ob2o2bo2bobo119b2ob2o2bo2bobo$43bobo3bobo123bobo3bobo$39b2obo2b
4obo59bo11b2o47b2obo2b4obo$39b2obobo3bo60bobo10b2o47b2obobo3bo$43bobo
3bo15b2o34bo3b2o2bobo63bobo3bo15b2o$44bobo3bo14bo26b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o
63bobo3bo14bo$45bo3b2o12bobo26b2o6bobo3bobo68bo3b2o12bobo$59b2o2b2o36b
ob4o2bob2o78b2o2b2o$59b2o42bo3bobob2o78b2o$102bo3bobo$36b2o63bo3bobo
60b2o$36b2o63b2o3bo61b2o$21b2o23bo24b2o80b2o24b2o$20bo2bo23b3o21b2o7b
2o70bo2bo23b3o$19bob2o27bob2o26bo27b3o3bo36bob2o24bo4b2o$19bo28bo4bo
24bobo25b5o2bobo35bo29b2o2bo$18b2o30b3o25b2o25b2o8bo34b2o31b2o$33b2o
71b2o4b3o14b2o34b2o16bo21b2o$33bo73bo3b2o15bo2bo33bo39b2o$14b2o18b3o
92b3o5bo8b2o18b3o$14b2o6b2o12bo10b2o33b2o50bobobo7b2o6b2o12bo10b2o$21b
obo22bobo33b2o47b4obo2bo15b2o21bobo$23bo22bo70b2o12bo4bo3bo13bo23bo$
45b2o23bo47bo14bobob3o37b2o$69bobob2o40b3o14b2obobo$28b2o37b3obobo29b
2o10bo20bo23b2o$12b2o14bo37bo3bo4bo27bobo39bo14bo$8b2o4bo11bobo38bo2bo
b4o29bo40bo11bobo$6b8o12b2o10bo20b2o7bobobo32b2o31b2o5b2o11b2o10bo20b
2o$5bo4b2obo3bo20b3o18b2o8bo3b3o61bob2o4bo24b3o18b2o$2o3bo12bo22bo33bo
60b2o5bobo3b2o22bo$2o3b2o5b2o3bo22b2o95b4o31b2o$7b3o45b2o30bobo37b2o
12bo45b2o$7b2o46bo32b2o36bobo10bobo45bo$52b2obo32bo37bo57b2obo$51bo2bo
70b2o7b2o47bo2bo$51bobo80b2o48bo$43b2o130b2o5bobo$43bo2bo2bobo122b6o2b
o$41bo4b2o2bo126bo2bobo$14b2o23bo6b2o98b2o23bob2o2bo2bo$10b2o2b2o23b3o
b2o2bo94b2o2b2o22bo4b2o2b2o$9bobo12b2o3bo9b5o3bo93bobo12b2o3bo9bo3b2ob
3o$9bo14bo3bobo16bo93bo14bo3bobo9b2obo$8b2o15bo3bobo11bo96b2o15bo3bobo
$26bo3bobob2o7bo2bo111bo3bobob2o7bo2bo$24bob4o2bob2o8b3o109bob4o2bob2o
8b3o$23bobo3bobo123bobo3bobo13bo$23bobo2bo2b2ob2o119bobo2bo2b2ob2o$24b
o3b2o2bobo71bo49bo3b2o2bobo$32bobo10b2o60bo56bobo10b2o$33bo11b2o58b3o
57bo11b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby calcyman » April 7th, 2015, 6:28 am

dvgrn wrote:I was surprised to find that the syringe catalyst can be adapted to allow an Fx119 to be attached.


Unfortunately this doesn't work:

x = 50, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
11b2o$11bobo2b2o$13bo2bo$13b3o2bo$16b3o$15bo$15b2o$2o$bo10bo$bob2o8bo$
2bo2bo5b3o$3b2o$18b2o$18b2o4$27bo3b2o$26bobo3bo$25bobo3bo$21b2obobo3bo
$21b2obo2b4obo$25bobo3bobo$21b2ob2obobo2bo$22bobo2bob3o$10b2o10bobo2bo
10b2o$10b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o$29bo3b2o$27bo$27b2o$32b2o12b2o$33bo5b2o5bo
$30b3o6b2o6b3o$30bo18bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby chris_c » April 7th, 2015, 8:54 am

simeks wrote:a new p969 .... a simple p71


Thanks, I added those. Here is the latest Hall of Shame.

*******************************
Hall of Shame (p100 or greater)
*******************************
509 (9086, 'p00906_14')              (5 mod 8)
543 (9009, 'p00894_24')              (7 mod 8)
997 (8840, 'p00973_3')               (5 mod 8)
501 (8816, 'p00906_12')              (5 mod 8)
989 (8755, 'p00973_2')               (5 mod 8)
517 (8742, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
965 (8732, 'p00901_8')               (5 mod 8)
653 (8712, 'p00541_14')              (5 mod 8)
437 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
453 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
906 (8704, 'fixed')                  (2 mod 8)
533 (8692, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)
899 (8687, 'p00803_12')              (3 mod 8)
957 (8673, 'p00901_7')               (5 mod 8)
981 (8670, 'p00973_1')               (5 mod 8)
461 (8662, 'p00906_2')               (5 mod 8)
922 (8662, 'p00906_2')               (2 mod 8)
961 (8652, 'p00921_5')               (1 mod 8)
999 (8648, 'p00879_15')              (7 mod 8)
842 (8645, 'p00730_14')              (2 mod 8)


EDIT: Hersrch found a p533 that pushes it slightly further down the list.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby dvgrn » April 7th, 2015, 12:15 pm

chris_c wrote:Here is the latest Hall of Shame...

Looking good! I haven't dug up a better 8N+5 loop yet, but there are more options yet to try. Any ideas for including the biggest sub-p74 guns in the Hall of Shame as well? I guess it's a different list, since as the period goes lower, it gets legitimately harder to find a compact solution... kind of a mirror-image of the problem as the period gets higher, but even more so. There are quantum leaps of difficulty as streams get too closely packed and the most compact insertion mechanims stop working.

Meanwhile, I checked out the top of the tentative gun list, and the lowest periods all look impossible to me -- there's not enough adjustability in 118 (p00700_1), 119 (p00595_0), 125 (p00718_4), 175 (p00700_0), 177 (p00700_1), 350 (p00700_0), or 354 (p00700_1). The first one that works is p181:

#C p181+2N gun
x = 95, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
61b2o$61bobo$63bo4b2o$59b4ob2o2bo2bo$59bo2bobobobob2o$62bobobobo$26b2o
3b2o30b2obobo$24b3obo2b2o34bo$23bo4bo$23bo2b2ob4o20b2o$22b2obobobo2bo
21bo7b2o$23bobobobo24bobo5b2o11bo$23bobob2o26b2o18b3o$24bo53bo$19bo57b
obo$17b3o17b2o38bobo$16bo11b2o7bo40bo$15bobo10b2o5bobo$15bobo17b2o$16b
o48b2o$65bo$66b3o24b2o$68bo24b2o2$2o11bo66bo$2o10bobo10b2o51bobo$11bo
3bo10bo46b2o4b2o$11bo3bo7b3o46bobo$11b2ob2o7bo48bo$20b2obo47b2o7b2o$
20bobob2o54b2o$22bo2bo$22b2o64b2obo$88b2ob3o$94bo$3bob2o81b2ob3o$b3ob
2o80bo2b2o$o85bobo$b3ob2o61bo16bobob2obo$3b2o2bo60b3o15bo2bob2o$6bobo
62bo17bo$2bob2obobo16bo8bo34b2o16b2o$2b2obo2bo15b3o8b2o48bobo2b2o$5bo
17bo10bobo48b2o2bo2bo$5b2o16b2o65b2o$3b2o2bobo$2bo2bo2b2o$3b2o49b3o34b
2o$54bo36bo$55bo33bobo$89b2o2$63b2o$62bo$63bobo5b2o$10b2o19b2o31bo6b2o
$10b2o19b2o38bo$68b2o$67bo2bo$9b2o56bobo$10bo57bo25bo$7b3o65b2o15bobo$
7bo67b2o16b2o2$24b2o$24bo$25b3o$27bo!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 LOOP 1810 ]]

It looks to me as if the general rule of thumb will be that single-crossing variable loops are safely adjustable if the base loop has been increased by at least 5 cells. Moving 8*5=40 ticks of extra loop distance from one half of the loop to the other will move exactly-lined-up colliding gliders far enough that they can pass each other safely. With less than a __5 adjustment, it's the luck of the draw whether it will work or not.

#C eight no-longer-tentative guns for p(700+8N)/x
#C [[ VIEWONLY ]] tag here in the comments means that
#C LifeViewer will display labels but not run the pattern
x = 196, y = 768, rule = LifeHistory
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2A16.2A49.A16.A.A.2A.A$92.2A2.A.A64.3A15.A2.A.2A$91.A2.A2.2A67.A17.A$
92.2A71.2A16.2A$180.A.A2.2A$180.2A2.A2.A$185.2A3$149.3A34.2A$149.A36.
A$99.2A19.2A28.A33.A.A$99.2A19.2A62.2A2$158.2A$98.2A57.A$99.A58.A.A5.
2A$96.3A60.A6.2A$96.A69.A$163.2A$113.2A47.A2.A$113.A48.A.A$114.3A46.A
25.A$116.A53.2A15.A.A$170.2A16.2A30$152.2A$152.A.A$154.A4.2A$150.4A.
2A2.A2.A$150.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$153.A.A.A.A$117.2A3.2A30.2A.A.A$115.3A.A2.
2A34.A$114.A4.A$114.A2.2A.4A20.2A$113.2A.A.A.A2.A21.A7.2A$114.A.A.A.A
24.A.A5.2A$114.A.A.2A26.2A$115.A2$128.2A$108.A10.2A7.A$106.3A10.2A5.A
.A43.A$105.A20.2A44.3A$104.A.A49.2A17.A$104.A.A49.A17.A.A$105.A51.3A
14.A.A$159.A15.A2$5.8D15.7D17.7D$2.13D11.11D15.7D57.2A$.15D9.13D13.8D
30.2A26.A$.6D4.6D7.6D2.6D13.8D30.2A23.3A73.2A$.4D7.5D7.5D5.5D11.9D55.
A75.2A$12.5D6.6D5.5D11.9D$12.5D6.5D7.5D9.10D$12.5D6.5D7.5D8.11D50.2A$
11.6D6.5D6.6D8.5D.5D50.A.A58.2A$6.10D7.6D5.6D7.6D.5D52.A57.A.A$5.10D
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7D8.16D5.5D3.5D118.2A$12.6D8.14D5.5D4.5D33.A.2A$12.6D10.6D.5D4.6D4.5D
31.3A.2A89.2A.A$13.5D16.6D4.17D28.A95.2A.3A$13.5D16.6D4.18D28.3A.2A
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6.6D7.4D2.7D17.5D32.A.2A.A.A16.A8.A58.A.A$17D6.13D14.11D30.2A.A2.A15.
3A8.2A39.A16.A.A.2A.A$15D8.12D15.12D32.A17.A10.A.A39.3A15.A2.A.2A$2.
11D12.7D18.11D33.2A16.2A54.A17.A$92.2A2.A.A68.2A16.2A$91.A2.A2.2A83.A
.A2.2A$92.2A88.2A2.A2.A$187.2A3$151.3A34.2A$151.A36.A$152.A33.A.A$
186.2A$99.2A19.2A$99.2A19.2A38.2A$159.A$160.A.A5.2A$98.2A61.A6.2A$99.
A68.A$96.3A66.2A$96.A67.A2.A$164.A.A$113.2A50.A25.A$113.A58.2A15.A.A$
114.3A55.2A16.2A$116.A31$152.2A$152.A.A$154.A4.2A$150.4A.2A2.A2.A$
150.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$153.A.A.A.A$117.2A3.2A30.2A.A.A$115.3A.A2.2A34.A$
114.A4.A$114.A2.2A.4A20.2A$113.2A.A.A.A2.A21.A7.2A$114.A.A.A.A24.A.A
5.2A$114.A.A.2A26.2A$115.A2$128.2A$108.A10.2A7.A$106.3A10.2A5.A.A$
105.A20.2A$104.A.A49.2A16.A$104.A.A49.A17.3A$105.A51.3A17.A$159.A16.A
.A$176.A.A$8.7D12.8D14.8D120.A$8.7D11.10D11.11D58.2A$7.8D10.12D9.14D
29.2A26.A$7.8D9.6D2.6D7.6D3.6D29.2A23.3A$6.9D8.6D4.5D6.6D5.6D53.A$6.
9D8.5D6.5D5.5D7.5D131.2A$5.10D8.5D6.5D5.5D7.5D131.2A$4.11D7.6D6.6D5.
4D7.5D48.2A$4.5D.5D7.5D7.6D16.5D48.A.A$3.6D.5D7.5D8.5D15.6D50.A$3.5D
2.5D7.5D8.5D14.6D42.2A7.2A59.2A$2.6D2.5D7.5D8.5D13.7D42.2A67.A.A$2.5D
3.5D7.5D8.5D12.7D112.A$.5D4.5D7.5D8.5D11.7D34.A.2A74.2A7.2A$6D4.5D7.
5D7.6D9.8D33.3A.2A83.2A$17D5.6D6.6D8.8D33.A$18D5.5D6.5D8.7D36.3A.2A
91.2A.A$17D6.5D6.5D7.7D39.2A2.A90.2A.3A$10.5D8.6D4.6D6.7D43.A.A95.A$
10.5D9.6D2.6D6.7D6.4D30.A.2A.A.A16.A8.A62.2A.3A$6.11D8.12D6.18D30.2A.
A2.A15.3A8.2A60.A2.2A$6.12D8.10D7.18D33.A17.A10.A.A59.A.A$6.11D10.8D
8.18D33.2A16.2A53.A16.A.A.2A.A$92.2A2.A.A68.3A15.A2.A.2A$91.A2.A2.2A
71.A17.A$92.2A75.2A16.2A$184.A.A2.2A$184.2A2.A2.A$189.2A3$153.3A34.2A
$153.A36.A$99.2A19.2A32.A33.A.A$99.2A19.2A66.2A2$162.2A$98.2A61.A$99.
A62.A.A5.2A$96.3A64.A6.2A$96.A73.A$167.2A$113.2A51.A2.A$113.A52.A.A$
114.3A50.A25.A$116.A57.2A15.A.A$174.2A16.2A28$154.2A$154.A.A$156.A4.
2A$152.4A.2A2.A2.A$152.A2.A.A.A.A.2A$155.A.A.A.A$119.2A3.2A30.2A.A.A$
117.3A.A2.2A34.A$116.A4.A$116.A2.2A.4A20.2A$115.2A.A.A.A2.A21.A7.2A$
116.A.A.A.A24.A.A5.2A$116.A.A.2A26.2A$117.A2$130.2A$121.2A7.A$121.2A
5.A.A$108.A19.2A$106.3A49.2A16.A$105.A52.A17.3A$104.A.A52.3A17.A$104.
A.A54.A16.A.A$105.A72.A.A$179.A$118.2A$8.7D15.4D15.8D62.A$8.7D10.9D
14.10D58.3A$7.8D7.12D13.12D30.2A25.A$7.8D7.12D12.6D2.6D29.2A103.2A$6.
9D8.11D11.6D4.5D134.2A$6.9D13.6D11.5D6.5D$5.10D13.6D11.5D6.5D$4.11D
13.6D10.6D6.6D47.2A$4.5D.5D13.6D10.5D7.6D47.A.A62.2A$3.6D.5D13.6D10.
5D8.5D49.A61.A.A$3.5D2.5D13.6D10.5D8.5D40.2A7.2A60.A$2.6D2.5D13.6D10.
5D8.5D40.2A68.2A7.2A$2.5D3.5D13.6D10.5D8.5D119.2A$.5D4.5D13.6D10.5D8.
5D30.A.2A$6D4.5D13.6D10.5D7.6D28.3A.2A93.2A.A$17D11.6D10.6D6.6D27.A
99.2A.3A$18D10.6D11.5D6.5D29.3A.2A99.A$17D11.6D11.5D6.5D31.2A2.A92.2A
.3A$10.5D13.6D11.6D4.6D34.A.A90.A2.2A$10.5D13.6D12.6D2.6D31.A.2A.A.A
16.A8.A62.A.A$6.11D5.18D7.12D32.2A.A2.A15.3A8.2A43.A16.A.A.2A.A$6.12D
4.18D8.10D36.A17.A10.A.A43.3A15.A2.A.2A$6.11D5.18D9.8D37.2A16.2A58.A
17.A$92.2A2.A.A72.2A16.2A$91.A2.A2.2A87.A.A2.2A$92.2A92.2A2.A2.A$191.
2A3$155.3A34.2A$155.A36.A$156.A33.A.A$190.2A$99.2A19.2A$99.2A19.2A42.
2A$163.A$164.A.A5.2A$98.2A65.A6.2A$99.A72.A$96.3A70.2A$96.A71.A2.A$
168.A.A$113.2A54.A25.A$113.A62.2A15.A.A$114.3A59.2A16.2A$116.A!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby dvgrn » April 8th, 2015, 7:19 am

You can save quite a few columns in the p00345x4 gun by folding the second semi-Snark into the unused space in the corner of the bounding box:

x = 89, y = 55, rule = B3/S23
18b2o11bo$18b2o10bobo$30bobo2b2o3bo$29b2ob2o2bo2bobo$33bobo3bobo$29b2o
bo2b4obo$21bo7b2obobo3bo$20b3o10bobo3bo15b2o$19b2o2bo10bobo3bo14bo$23b
2o10bo3b2o12bobo$18bo3bobo24b2o2b2o$22b2o25b2o$16bo4b2o$14b3o3b2o$16bo
4b2o$11b2o9b2o37b2o$10bo2bo4bo3bobo36b2o7b2o$9bob2o57bo$9bo9b2o47bobo$
8b2o58b2o$3b2o18b2o$4bo18bo$2bo21b3o48b2o$2b5o14b3o2bo10b2o36b2o$7bo
13bo2bo11bobo$4b3o12bobo2b2o10bo$3bo15b2o14b2o23bo23b2o$3b4o52bobob2o
18bobo$b2o3bo3b2o45b3obobo20bo$o2b3o4b2o44bo3bo4bo$2obo52b2o2bob4o$3bo
45b2o10bo$3b2o22bo21b2o12bo16b2o$27b3o32b2o16b2o$30bo25b2o27b2o$11b2o
16b2o25b2o27bobo$12bo74bo$9b3o60b2o13b2o$9bo37b2o24bo$47bobo20b3o6b2o$
48bo21bo8b2o2$39b2o$32b2o5bobo$32b2o7bo9b2o$41b2o8b2o$46b2o$28bo16bobo
$27bobob2o12bo$27bobobobo10b2o13b2o$24b2obobobobo2bo22bo$24bo2bo2b2ob
4o15b2o6b3o$26b2o4bo19b2o8bo9bo$32bobo38bo$33b2o36b3o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 5 LOOP 690 ]]


EDIT: Here's a really annoying detail: the p556+8N is actually 78x66, not 75x66, because the beehive stopping the Herschel at the top right has an overhanging spark. Turns out this can be cut back down to 78x64 with an older two-block Herschel stopper:

x = 78, y = 64, rule = B3/S23
69b2o$69b2o3$34b2o11bo$34b2o10bobo27b2o$46bobo2b2o3bo19b2o$45b2ob2o2bo
2bobo$49bobo3bobo$45b2obo2b4obo$45b2obobo3bo$49bobo3bo$50bobo3bo$51bo
3b2o4$42b2o$42b2o$27b2o$26bo2bo$25bob2o$15b2o8bo$8b2o5b2o7b2o$8b2o29b
2o32b2o$39bo33b2o$29b2o9b3o24b2o$10b2o16bobo5bo5bo24b2o$10b2o18bo5b3o$
4b2o33bo$4b2o32b2o29b2o$53b2o7b2o5b2o$53bo8b2o$50b2obo$49bo2bo$50b2o$
35b2o$35b2o4$22b2o3bo$bo20bo3bobo$b3o19bo3bobo$4bo19bo3bobob2o$3b2o17b
ob4o2bob2o$21bobo3bobo$21bo2bobo2b2ob2o$22bobob2o2bobo$23b2obo3bobo10b
2o$26bo4bo11b2o$23b3o$22bo$22b2o3$2o$2o4$17bo8bo$9b2o5bobo8bo$9b2o6bo
7b3o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 5 LOOP 1112 ]]

This also cuts two columns off of p698 and its multiples:
x = 114, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
27b2o11bo$27b2o10bobo$39bobo2b2o3bo$38b2ob2o2bo2bobo$42bobo3bobo$38b2o
bo2b4obo3bo9bo42b2o$38b2obobo3bo5b3o5b3o28b2o12b2o$42bobo3bo7bo3bo13b
2o17bo$43bobo3bo5b2o3b2o13bo17bobo$44bo3b2o24bo19b2o$74b2o3$35b2o$35b
2o75b2o$20b2o90b2o$19bo2bo54b2o$18bob2o55b2o$18bo$17b2o$32b2o$32bo79bo
$33b3o75bobo$35bo10b2o64bo$45bobo11b2o6bo$45bo13b2o6b3o$34b2o8b2o24bo$
34bo24b2o8b2o31b2o$35b3o6b2o13bo41bobo$37bo6b2o11bobo41bo$57b2o10bo30b
2o11bo$69b3o39bobo$72bo39b2o$71b2o4bo$76bo9b2o$76b3o7bo$26b2o55b2obo$
26b2o54bo2bo$83b2o$2o66b2o$2o66b2o3$29b2o$30bo24b2o3bo$29bo13b2o3b2o5b
o3bobo$5b2o22b2o13bo3bo7bo3bobo$5b2o34b3o5b3o5bo3bobob2o$41bo9bo3bob4o
2bob2o$54bobo3bobo$54bobo2bo2b2ob2o$55bo3b2o2bobo$63bobo10b2o$64bo11b
2o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 4 LOOP 1396 ]]
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby chris_c » April 8th, 2015, 8:41 am

dvgrn wrote:Turns out this can be cut back down to 78x64 with an older two-block Herschel stopper:


Thanks. That also applies to all of the p482's and most of the low period guns that I have made in the p30-p60 range. Probably more than 100 guns in total. I have just pushed the changes along with a bunch of semi-snark additions. Next job is to go through the confirmed guns that you posted a little while ago.

EDIT: I added all of the tentative guns and added the "Hall of Pain" and the "Hall of the Insane". The idea being that guns of period N >= 39 can be done with two guns of period 2*N + Syringe + Herschel-based glider inserter. Happy hunting!

*******************************
Hall of Pain (p39 to p77)
*******************************
41 29348
57 26220
59 25080
58 21780
43 17114
51 16800
73 15180
39 14615
62 14141
56 13832
54 13776
55 13560
42 12971
53 12915
49 12312
71 11385
61 10707
76 10044
65 8976
63 8436


*******************************
Hall of the Insane (p14 to p38)
*******************************
17 143637
14 129745
19 106959
29 88365
21 67575
27 53985
16 39999
38 38784
34 31104
28 30016
32 27048
31 22800
18 22750
35 21360
26 20400
37 16800
33 16006
25 15762
15 4004
20 3080
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby simeks » April 8th, 2015, 12:04 pm

I wanted to break the 9000 barrier for the Hall of Shame, so here are two new guns:

This p962+8n deals with p509:

x = 102, y = 81, rule = B3/S23
37b2o3b2o$37b2o2bob3o$41bo4bo$37b4ob2o2bo$37bo2bobobob2o$40bobobobo$
41b2obobo44bo$45bo43b3o$88bo$31b2o55b2o$32bo7b2o58bo$32bobo5b2o17bo17b
2o7bo11b3o$33b2o22b3o18bo7b2o9bo$56bo21bobo4bobo9b2o$56b2o21b2o$86b2o$
86b3o7b2o$64b2ob2o17bo9b2o$65bob2o18b2o$43b2o20bo$43bo13b2o4b3o$44b3o
10b2o3bo3b2o$46bo15b4o2bo$42b3obob2o15bob2o$41bobobobobo12b3o2bo$40bo
6bo13bo5bo$40b3o3b2o14b5o$43bo20bo$42b2o39b2o$84bo$81b3o$31b2ob2o45bo$
31b2obo$34bo$34b3o4b2o$32b2o3bo3b2o$31bo2b4o63bo$31b2obo15b2o47bobo$
32bo2b3o12bobo47b2o$32bo5bo13bo$33b5o14b2o$35bo4$91b2o$91b2o$82b2o$82b
o2bo$78b2o4b2o$79bo20b2o$79bobo18bo$69bo10b2o16bobo$67b3o28b2o$23b2o
41bo$23bo29b2o11b2o$21bobo29bo$21b2o10bo17bobo$33b3o14bobob2o$36bo13bo
2bo2bo$35b2o12b2o3b2o$2o46bo20b2o$2o46bo20b2o$47b2ob2o$46bo2bobo40b2o$
47b2o43b2o2b2o$32b2o44bo3b2o12bobo$32b2o43bobo3bo14bo$76bobo3bo15b2o$
72b2obobo3bo$72b2obo2b4obo$19b2o3bo51bobo3bobo$19bo3bobo46b2ob2o2bo2bo
bo$20bo3bobo46bobo2b2o3bo$21bo3bobob2o30b2o10bobo$19bob4o2bob2o30b2o
11bo$10b2o6bobo3bobo$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o$19bo3b2o2bobo$27bobo10b2o$
28bo11b2o!

Here it is at p509 including the weld needed at n=7. The area is 8976:

x = 102, y = 88, rule = B3/S23
44b2o3b2o$44b2o2bob3o$48bo4bo$44b4ob2o2bo$44bo2bobobob2o$47bobobobo$
48b2obobo$52bo2$38b2o$39bo7b2o$39bobo5b2o17bo$40b2o22b3o$63bo27bo$63b
2o24b3o$46b2o40bo$47b2o39b2o$46bo24b2ob2o24bo$72bobo2b2o7bo11b3o$50b2o
20bo2b2obo7b2o9bo$50bo13b2o4b3o3bobobo4bobo9b2o$51b3o10b2o3bo3b3o3b2o$
53bo15b4o13b2o$53bob2o15bob2o10b3o7b2o$51b2obobo12b3o2bo11bo9b2o$51bo
2bo13bo5bo12b2o$53b2o14b5o$71bo5$40bo$40b3o$43bo$42b2o39b2o$84bo$81b3o
$31b2ob2o45bo$31b2obo$34bo$34b3o4b2o$32b2o3bo3b2o$31bo2b4o63bo$31b2obo
15b2o47bobo$32bo2b3o12bobo47b2o$32bo5bo13bo$33b5o14b2o$35bo4$91b2o$91b
2o$82b2o$82bo2bo$78b2o4b2o$79bo20b2o$79bobo18bo$69bo10b2o16bobo$67b3o
28b2o$23b2o41bo$23bo29b2o11b2o$21bobo29bo$21b2o10bo17bobo$33b3o14bobob
2o$36bo13bo2bo2bo$35b2o12b2o3b2o$2o46bo20b2o$2o46bo20b2o$47b2ob2o$46bo
2bobo40b2o$47b2o43b2o2b2o$32b2o44bo3b2o12bobo$32b2o43bobo3bo14bo$76bob
o3bo15b2o$72b2obobo3bo$72b2obo2b4obo$19b2o3bo51bobo3bobo$19bo3bobo46b
2ob2o2bo2bobo$20bo3bobo46bobo2b2o3bo$21bo3bobob2o30b2o10bobo$19bob4o2b
ob2o30b2o11bo$10b2o6bobo3bobo$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o$19bo3b2o2bobo$27bob
o10b2o$28bo11b2o!

This compact p958+8n grows slowly and allows p543 to be improved:

x = 108, y = 68, rule = B3/S23
69b2o3b2o$20b2o3b2o42b2o2bob3o$20b2o2bob3o44bo4bo$24bo4bo39b4ob2o2bo$
20b4ob2o2bo20b2o3b2o12bo2bobobob2o$20bo2bobobob2o17b3obo2b2o15bobobobo
$23bobobobo17bo4bo20b2obobo$24b2obobo17bo2b2ob4o20bo$28bo17b2obobobo2b
o$47bobobobo9b2o18bo$14b2o31bobob2o11bo7b2o9b3o$15bo7b2o23bo15bobo5b2o
12bo$15bobo5b2o40b2o18bobo$16b2o43b2o22bobo$52b2o7bo24bo$52b2o5bobo$
59b2o3$75b2o24b2o$26b2o47bo25b2o$26bo49b3o$27b3o48bo$29bo19b2o$50bo30b
2o$4bo42b3o30bobo$2b5o14b2o24bo5bo26bo$bo5bo13bo2bo26b3o25b2o7b2o$bo2b
3o12bobob2o25bo37b2o$2obo15b2obo27b2o$o2b4o15bo73b2obo$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o
71b2ob3o$3b3o4b2o13bo53b2o21bo$3bo20b2o51bo2bo15b2ob3o$2obo55b2o14b5o
17bobo$2ob2o55bo13bo22bobo$40b2o18bobo12b3o20bo$39bobo5b2o12b2o15bo$
11b2o26bo7b2o26b4o20bo$12bo25b2o30b2o3bo3b2o16b3o$9b3o22b2o34b2o4b3o2b
o14bo$9bo17b2o5bobo15bo25bob2o14b2o$27b2o7bo11b2obobo24bo9b2o$36b2o9bo
bobobo23b2o9b2o$44bo2bobobob2o$23bo20b4ob2o2bo$22bobob2o20bo4bo15b2o3b
o$22bobobobo15b2o2bob3o16bo3bobo$21b2obobobo2bo12b2o3b2o19b4obo$22bo2b
2ob4o42bo$22bo4bo44bo31bo$23b3obo2b2o40b2o28b3o$25b2o3b2o69bo$63b3o35b
2o$62b5o$37b2o22bob5o$38bo21b2ob3o2b2o$38bobo20b3o2bob2o$39b2o21bo6b2o
$66bo2bo$66b3o35b2o$104bobo$106bo$106b2o$68b2o$43bo25bo15bo$42bobo23bo
17bo7b2o3b2o$43b2o23b2o14b3o7b2o3b2o!

At p543 an adjustment is needed to avoid a collision. This is the result with an area of 8680:

x = 124, y = 70, rule = B3/S23
83b2o3b2o$83b2o2bob3o$87bo4bo$83b4ob2o2bo$83bo2bobobob2o$32b2o3b2o26b
2o3b2o14bobobobo$32b2o2bob3o22b3obo2b2o15b2obobo$36bo4bo20bo4bo23bo$
32b4ob2o2bo20bo2b2ob4o$32bo2bobobob2o18b2obobobo2bo5b2o$35bobobobo20bo
bobobo9bo7b2o$36b2obobo20bobob2o10bobo5b2o11bo$40bo22bo15b2o18b3o$102b
o$26b2o48b2o23bobo$27bo7b2o30b2o7bo24bobo$27bobo5b2o30b2o5bobo25bo$28b
2o44b2o2$89b2o$34b3o52bo$36bo53b3o24b2o$35bo56bo24b2o2$38b2o24b2o$38bo
26bo$39b3o20b3o32b2o$41bo20bo33bobo$96bo$64bo30b2o7b2o$62b3o39b2o$61bo
$61b2o49b2obo$112b2ob3o$95b2o21bo$93bo2bo15b2ob3o$75b2o14b5o17bobo$76b
o13bo22bobo$76bobo12b3o20bo$51b2o24b2o15bo$50bobo5b2o31b4o20bo$4bo45bo
7b2o26b2o3bo3b2o16b3o$2b5o14b2o26b2o35b2o4b3o2bo14bo$bo5bo13bo2bo69bob
2o14b2o$bo2b3o12bobob2o38bo30bo9b2o$2obo15b2obo36b2obobo28b2o9b2o$o2b
4o15bo35bobobobo$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o30bo2bobobob2o$3b3o4b2o13bo29b4ob2o2bo
20b2o3bo$3bo20b2o33bo4bo20bo3bobo$2obo51b2o2bob3o22b4obo$2ob2o50b2o3b
2o28bo$88bo31bo$88b2o28b3o$11b2o104bo$12bo66b3o35b2o$9b3o22b2o42b5o$9b
o17b2o5bobo16b2o22bob5o$27b2o7bo17bo21b2ob3o2b2o$36b2o16bobo20b3o2bob
2o$55b2o21bo6b2o$23bo58bo2bo$22bobob2o54b3o35b2o$22bobobobo91bobo$21b
2obobobo2bo90bo$22bo2b2ob4o90b2o$22bo4bo56b2o$23b3obo2b2o27bo25bo15bo$
25b2o3b2o26bobo23bo17bo7b2o3b2o$59b2o23b2o14b3o7b2o3b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby dvgrn » April 8th, 2015, 12:20 pm

simeks wrote:I wanted to break the 9000 barrier for the Hall of Shame, so here are two new guns...

Aha, I hadn't spent much time investigating Lx200 attached directly to a syringe. That does the trick very nicely!

Okay, with everything under a 9000-cell bounding box now, the Hall of Shame no longer contains anything shameful as far as I'm concerned. Not Looking Any More...

chris_c wrote:I added all of the tentative guns and added the "Hall of Pain" and the "Hall of the Insane". The idea being that guns of period N >= 39 can be done with two guns of period 2*N + Syringe + Herschel-based glider inserter. Happy hunting!

It still doesn't seem right somehow, that a gun that's disproportionately long and thin has such an unfair advantage over a more reasonable-shaped and more compact-looking gun. I've lodged a complaint with whoever designed basic arithmetic. Meanwhile:

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#C pseudo p49 gun with 10192-cell bounding box
x = 182, y = 56, rule = B3/S23
148bo11b2o$147bobo10b2o$139bo3b2o2bobo$138bobo2bo2b2ob2o$72b2o50b2o12b
obo3bobo$41bo11b2o16bobo22b2o27bo13bob4o2bob2o$40bobo10b2o15b3o23bo28b
obo13bo3bobob2o$32bo3b2o2bobo27b2o25bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo$31bobo2bo2b2o
b2o26b2o24b2o9b3o29bo3bobo11b3o$17b2o12bobo3bobo11bo19bobo32bo32b2o3bo
12bo2bo$18bo13bob4o2bob2o6bobo19bo33b2o10b2o36bo2b2o$18bobo13bo3bobob
2o6bob2o13b2o49bo37b2o3b2o$19b2o12bo3bobo13bo13b2o47bobo24b2o15bo2bo$
32bob3obo8b3o3b3o17b2o26bo14b2o26b2o14bo2bo$32b2ob3o12bo2bo39b2o5bo42b
o16bo2bo$5b2o40b2ob2o41b2o4bo2bo29b3o21b2o3b2o4b2o$5b2o42b2ob2o45bo2bo
53bo2b2o5bo2bo$53bo2bo21bobo18bobo28b2obobob2o18bo2bo6b2obo$51b2o4b2o
20b2o19bo29bo2bobo21b3o10bo$53bo2bo22bo50b3obo35b2o$22b3o35b2o75b2o16b
2o$22bo2bo33bo2bo70bo4bo17bo$2o18b2o4bo33b2obo63b2o8bo6b2o7b3o$2o18b2o
41bo32b2o4b2o23b2o7bo3b2o2b2o7bo$20b2ob3o3b3o31b2o31bo6bo36bo$23bo2b5o
bo15b2o44bobo3b3o38b7o$20bo2bo5b2o18bo44b2o4bo47bo23b2o$31bo2bo2b2o7b
3o75bo10bo7b2o2b2o11b2o9b4o$20b2o12bo2b2o7bo78bo7b3o7b2o15b2o9bob3o$
33bo47bo41b3o6bo37bob3o$34b7o38b3o50b2o37b3o$41bo22b2o2b2o8bo38b2o52b
2o$28bo7b2o2b2o11b2o9b2o2b2o8b2o38bo61b2o$26b3o7b2o15b2o7bo6b2o47bob2o
58b2o$18bo6bo35bo7bo21b3o25bo2bo16b2o$19b2o4b2o35b2ob2ob2o21bobo26b2o
16bo2bo$10b2o6b2o44bo3b2o68bo2bo$11bo78bo2b2o42b2ob2o$11bob2o123b2o$
12bo2bo15b2o3bo54b2o82b2o$13b2o14b3o4b2o52bo84b2o$28bo8b2o64bo40bo3b2o
$28bobo2b5o27b2o37b2o37bobo3bo$29bo3b3o30bo9bo26b2o37bobo3bo12b2o$63b
3o6bo3bo16b2o43b2obobo3bo13bobo$63bo6b6o17bo44b2obo2b4obo13bo$37bo3b2o
26bo4bo19b3o45bobo3bobo12b2o$36bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo41b2ob2o2bo2bobo$35b
obo3bo12b2o16bobo64bobo2b2o3bo$31b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o46b2o10bobo
$31b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo46b2o11bo$35bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$31b2ob2o2bo2b
obo33bo$32bobo2b2o3bo73bo$20b2o10bobo82bo$20b2o11bo81b3o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 3 HEIGHT 240 LOOP 490 ]]

There seem to be a lot of interesting new guns in the p30-p77 range -- nice work!

Many of them don't seem as if they should really count as 'fixed' guns, though, since they can be made into pseudogun families just by adjusting the two component p2N guns. The p49 is actually p49+4N, for example, and here's a p53 and a p57 to prove it:

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#C pseudo p53 = pseudo p49_1
x = 192, y = 59, rule = B3/S23
41bo11b2o98bo11b2o$40bobo10b2o97bobo10b2o$32bo3b2o2bobo101bo3b2o2bobo$
31bobo2bo2b2ob2o99bobo2bo2b2ob2o$17b2o12bobo3bobo37b2o50b2o12bobo3bobo
$18bo13bob4o2bob2o33b2o22b2o27bo13bob4o2bob2o$18bobo13bo3bobob2o57bo
28bobo13bo3bobob2o$19b2o12bo3bobo62bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo$32bo3bobo62b2o
9b3o29bo3bobo$32b2o3bo73bo32b2o3bo9bo$5b2o41b2o61b2o10b2o10b2o18bob4o$
5b2o38b2o25b2o23bo25bo32b2ob3o$44b3o2bo22b2o22bo2bo21bobo33bo$43bobob
2o47bo24b2o$42b2o2b2o51bo$43b4o13b2o26b3o6b2o73b2o$44b3o12bo2bo25bo6bo
b2obo70bo2bo$2o58b2obo24bobo7bob2o70b2obo$2o61bo25b2o3bo2b3ob2o72bo$
63b2o30bo4bo74b2o$6b2o2bobo35b2o74b2o3bo30b2o$5bo2b2o2bo36bo73bob2obo
3bo28bo$5bo2b2o10b2o24b3o73b2o4bobo2bo24b3o$5bobo2b2o8b2o11b2o11bo54bo
5b2o14b2o2b3o2b2o11b2o11bo$33bo26b2o37b3o6bo18b2o16bo$34b3o22b2o37bo6b
3o38b3o$36bo24bo36b2o5bo42bo2$175b3o$43bo42bo68bo19bo$43b3o38b3o11bo
56b3o18bo$46bo36bo12bobo59bo$33bo11bo12b2o23b2o12b2o46bo11b2o11b2o$31b
3o11bo3b3o6b2o83b3o24b2o$30bo19b4o88bo$30b2o15bob2ob2o88b2o$15b2o32bo
2bob2o31bo39b2o30b2o$16bo31b2obo3b2o29bobo39bo28b3ob2o27b2o$16bob2o28b
2obobobo28b2o3bo38bob2o25bobob2o27b2o$17bo2bo31b3o29b2o9b2o32bo2bo6bob
o13b2obo$18b2o8b2o23bo30bo2b2o5bo2bo32b2o8b2o$27bobo12bo42b2o8b2o43bo
4b2o7bo$27bo14bobo25b2o73b2o$27bobo12b2o27bo38bo$28b2o38b3o6bob2o17b2o
11b2o72b2o$68bo6b3ob2o17bo11b2o73b2o$42bo3b2o26bo24b3o52bo3b2o$41bobo
3bo27b3ob2o20bo51bobo3bo$40bobo3bo12b2o16bobo72bobo3bo12b2o$36b2obobo
3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o62b2obobo3bo13bobo$36b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo62b2obo
2b4obo13bo$40bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o67bobo3bobo12b2o$36b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo
65b2ob2o2bo2bobo$37bobo2b2o3bo101bobo2b2o3bo$25b2o10bobo97b2o10bobo$
25b2o11bo98b2o11bo$124bo$125bo$123b3o!
[[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 3 HEIGHT 240 STOP 106 ]]

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#C pseudo p57 = p49_2
x = 197, y = 61, rule = B3/S23
41bo11b2o98bo11b2o$40bobo10b2o97bobo10b2o$32bo3b2o2bobo101bo3b2o2bobo$
31bobo2bo2b2ob2o99bobo2bo2b2ob2o$17b2o12bobo3bobo37b2o50b2o12bobo3bobo
$18bo13bob4o2bob2o33b2o22b2o27bo13bob4o2bob2o$18bobo13bo3bobob2o57bo
28bobo13bo3bobob2o$19b2o12bo3bobo62bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo$32bo3bobo37b3o
22b2o9b3o29bo3bobo$32b2o3bo38b3o32bo32b2o3bo$5b2o104b2o10b2o$5b2o65b2o
49bo$72b2o47bobo23bo2bo$34bo10b2o31b2o37b2ob3o23bo3b2o5b2o$3bo28b2o11b
2o29bobo19b2o17b4o25bo3bo6b2o$4bo29bobobo21b2o15bo20b2o19b2o25bo3bo21b
2o$4bo31bobo20bo2bo19bobo26b3o33bo2bo20bo2bo$2o58b2obo19b2o25b5o34bo
22b2obo$2o61bo19bo25bo3bob2o58bo$63b2o45b3o3bo58b2o$48b2o61bo48b2o$49b
o6b3o54bo47bo8bo$20b2o24b3o7bo56bo10bo7b2o24b3o8b2o$12bo7b2o11b2o11bo
10bo49b2o16bo6b2o11b2o11bo10bobo$13b2o18bo74bo14b3o19bo$12b2o20b3o68b
3o38b3o$36bo68bo42bo2$106bo$104b3o$103bo$103b2o2$100bo$48bo42bo8b2o58b
o$48b3o38b3o7bobo58b3o$51bo36bo74bo10b3o$38bo11b2o13b3o20b2o60bo11b2o
10b4o$36b3o28bo80b3o22b2o2b2o$35bo31bo79bo26b2obo$35b2o26bob2o80b2o25b
3o$20b2o39bo70b2o41bo$21bo38bo2bo69bo61b2o$21bob2o34bo3bo69bob2o34b3o
21b2o$22bo2bo71b5o9bo22bo2bo33b3o$23b2o36bobo31b5o2bo9b2o21b2o32b2o2bo
$27bo4bo24bobo3bo27bob3o5bo9b2o27b2o27b2o$27b2o2b2o24bo3bo13b2o12b2o2b
2o3b4o37b3ob3o23b2o3b3o$27bo3bo2bo22bo4b2o12bo14b3o4b2o40b2o30bob3o$
31b2ob3o25b2o9b3o6bob2o17b2o42bo25bobo14b2o$31bo4bo24b2o10bo6b3ob2o17b
o67bo2bo15b2o$31b4o12bo3b2o7bo2bo15bo24b3o36b4ob2o9bo3b2o7b3o$31b2o2b
2o9bobo3bo7bob2o16b3ob2o20bo35b5obo9bobo3bo$35b2o8bobo3bo9bob3o16bobo
58bo2bo10bobo3bo12b2o$31b2o8b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o53b3o6b2obobo3bo
13bobo$31b2obo6b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo54bo7b2obo2b4obo13bo$33bo11bobo3b
obo12b2o19b3o67bobo3bobo12b2o$41b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo65b2ob2o2bo2bobo$42b
obo2b2o3bo73bo27bobo2b2o3bo$30b2o10bobo82bo14b2o10bobo$30b2o11bo81b3o
14b2o11bo!
[[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 3 HEIGHT 240 STOP 114 ]]
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby chris_c » April 8th, 2015, 7:22 pm

simeks wrote:I wanted to break the 9000 barrier for the Hall of Shame, so here are two new guns


Good work. I added those and, like Dave, I will do my best not to look at the Hall of Shame again.

dvgrn wrote:The p49 is actually p49+4N, for example, and here's a p53 and a p57 to prove it


Ah, nice. That's quite an enlightened viewpoint but as far as keeping track of things go I will probably just stick with fixed guns for the low periods. I applied the same trick to the p39 and p43:

x = 445, y = 65, rule = B3/S23
285bo11b2o98bo11b2o$284bobo10b2o97bobo10b2o$276bo3b2o2bobo101bo3b2o2bo
bo$275bobo2bo2b2ob2o99bobo2bo2b2ob2o$261b2o12bobo3bobo37b2o50b2o12bobo
3bobo$41bo11b2o98bo11b2o95bo13bob4o2bob2o6b3o24b2o22b2o27bo13bob4o2bob
2o$40bobo10b2o97bobo10b2o95bobo13bo3bobob2o6bobo48bo28bobo13bo3bobob2o
$32bo3b2o2bobo101bo3b2o2bobo108b2o12bo3bobo14bo47bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo$
31bobo2bo2b2ob2o99bobo2bo2b2ob2o120bo3bobo8b2o5bo46b2o9b3o29bo3bobo$
17b2o12bobo3bobo37b2o50b2o12bobo3bobo124b2o3bo9b2obo3bo56bo23bo8b2o3bo
$18bo13bob4o2bob2o32bo2bo21b2o27bo13bob4o2bob2o93b2o41b5o58b2o10b2o9bo
bo22bobo$18bobo13bo3bobob2o32bo24bo28bobo13bo3bobob2o91bo2bo65b2o49bo
12bo22bobo$19b2o12bo3bobo36bo25bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo144bob2obo14b2o47bo
bo11bo18b2o$32bo3bobo37bobo22b2o9b3o29bo3bobo95bo32bo16bo4bo63b2o30bob
o4bo$23bo8b2o3bo38bobo32bo32b2o3bo129b2o15bob2obo42b3o50bo6bo$5b2o15bo
bo23b2o27bo33b2o10b2o122b2o24b2o3bobo23b2o37bo3bo49b3o16b2o$5b2o18bo
22b2o22b2o49bo125bo21b4o28bo2bo36bo71bo2bo$20b2o3bo18b2o26b2o4bo42bobo
28bobo89b2o24bo4bo28b2obo35b2ob2o68b2obo$19bo3bob2o16bo2bo32bo41b2o24b
3o7b2o2b2o81b2o24bo2b4o30bo37bo64b2o7bo$20bo5bo17b2o33bo20b2o45bo2b2o
4bobo2bobo106b2obob2o30b2o22bo78bobo6b2o$22bobobo18bo14b2o37bo2bo44b2o
b4o7bo10b2o101b2o15b2o38bo36bo3b2o29b2o4bo$23b2o34bo2bo21bo15b3o46b3o
19bo2bo97b3o18bo36b3o35b2o4b3o28bo$2o58b2obo21bo14b2o70b2obo88b2o24b3o
74b2o8bo24b3o$2o53bo7bo19b3o89bo81bo6b2o11b2o11bo60b2o15b5o2bobo11b2o
11bo$54b2o7b2o60bo49b2o78bobo19bo74bo17b3o3bo12bo$20b2o26b2o4bobo66b2o
35b2o94b2o20b3o68b3o38b3o$19bo2bo26bo72b2o37bo118bo68bo42bo$19b2ob2o
22b3o72bo11bo24b3o$21bo11b2o11bo60b2o13b5o5b2o11b2o11bo150bo$33bo74bo
14bo21bo162b2o$34b3o66bob3o38b3o159bobo$36bo64b3obo42bo$17bo82bo253bo$
15bobo82b2o250b3o23bo$16b2o333bo27b2o$351b2o25b2o$45bo42bo7b2o59bo$45b
3o38b3o6bobo35bo23b3o$48bo22b2o2b2o8bo11bo36b2o24bo19b3o113bo42bo68bo$
35bo11b2o11b2o8b3o12b2o46b2o12bo11b2o3bo7b2o6bo115b3o38b3o68b3o$33b3o
24b2o15bo67b3o15bo8b2o7bo117bo16b2o18bo74bo19b3o$32bo35bobo73bo17bo4bo
118bo11b2o11b2o2b3o2b2o14b2o6b2o7bo44bo11b2o11b2o6bo$32b2o35b4obo2bo
66b2o16b2o22bo97b3o24bo2bobo4b2o20bobo5bobo42b3o24b2o7bo$17b2o51b3ob3o
52b2o35bob3o15bo96bo28bo3bob2obo23bo6b2o41bo18bo$18bo11bo99bo34bobo2bo
16bo4b2o84bo4b2o30bo3b2o74b2o16bob2o20bo$18bob2o7b3o14bo3b2o78bob2o28b
2obobob2o21b2o74b2o9bo100b2o31bo3bo19bo$19bo2bo5b2o2bo11b2ob2ob2o39bob
o3b2o32bo2bo53bo80bo7b3o101bo31b2o2bo20bo4b2o$20b2o5bo3b2o10bo7bo42bob
o2bo32b2o32b3o18bobo79bob2o108bob2o6bo21b2ob2o25b2o$26b2o16bo6b2o34bo
6b2ob2o58bo29bobo80bo2bo16b2o48bo7b2o32bo2bo8bo15bo3b2o23bo$25b3o18b2o
2b2o20b2o12bo8bo46b2o11b2o32bo81b2o16bo2bo45bo4bo3bo2bo32b2o23b2o28bob
o$26b2o18b2o2b2o21bo13bob6o47b2o12b2o31bo99bo2bo44bo5bo4b2o38bo3bo2bo
13b2o27bobo$27bo3b2o37b3o6bob2o10bo6b2o10bobo28bo42bo2bo98b2ob2o30b2o
18bo44b2o2bo47bo$28b2o2bo37bo6b3ob2o17bo12b2o31b3o38b2o100b2o33bo13bo
2bo20bobo23bo3bo2bo44bo$29b3o12bo3b2o26bo24b3o9bo31bo2bo7bo3b2o159b3o
6bob2o5b3o9b2o10b2o72bo2bo$30bo12bobo3bo27b3ob2o7b2o11bo41bo2bo6bobo3b
o146b2o11bo6b3ob2o17bo11bo30bobo41b2o$42bobo3bo12b2o16bobo62bo2bo6bobo
3bo12b2o120bo3b2o26bo24b3o36bo2bobo10bo3b2o$38b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b
2o57bo4b2obobo3bo13bobo118bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo36b2o2b2o9bobo3bo$38b2obo
2b4obo13bo16bo6bo53bo8b2obo2b4obo13bo117bobo3bo12b2o16bobo58bo2bo10bob
o3bo12b2o$42bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o67bobo3bobo12b2o112b2obobo3bo13bobo15bo
bo4b2o53b3o6b2obobo3bo13bobo$38b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo65b2ob2o2bo2bobo126b
2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo62b2obo2b4obo13bo$39bobo2b2o3bo73bo27bobo2b2o3bo
131bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o67bobo3bobo12b2o$27b2o10bobo82bo14b2o10bobo135b
2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo65b2ob2o2bo2bobo$27b2o11bo81b3o14b2o11bo137bobo2b2o3b
o73bo27bobo2b2o3bo$278b2o10bobo82bo14b2o10bobo$278b2o11bo81b3o14b2o11b
o!


And I added the following p29. The area is over twice as small as the previous gun but is still probably far from optimal. There's plenty of new technology in there: p87 Herschel factory on the left; Snark trombone in the middle; p87 glider gun feeding Syringe on the right; p29 reflector near the bottom. Surely there's a better way of fitting all this together...

x = 206, y = 185, rule = B3/S23
43b2o$43bobo$45bo4b2o$41b4ob2o2bo2bo$41bo2bobobobob2o$44bobobobo97b2o$
45b2obobo97bobo$49bo100bo4b2o$146b4ob2o2bo2bo$35b2o109bo2bobobobob2o$
36bo7b2o103bobobobo$36bobo5b2o104b2obobo$37b2o115bo2$140b2o$141bo7b2o$
141bobo5b2o$142b2o2$47b2o$38b2o7bo$39b2o7b3o$24b2o12bo11bo9bo107bo$25b
o32bobo107b3o$23bo35b2o91b2o17bo$23b5o14b2o108bo8bobo6bobo$28bo13bo
110b3o6b2o6bobo$25b3o12bobo98b2o12bo6bo8bo$24bo15b2o98bobo$24b4o114bo$
22b2o3bo3b2o$21bo2b3o4b2o$21b2obo161b2o$24bo161b2o$24b2o$121b2o$122bo$
32b2o86bo45b2o8bo$33bo86b5o14b2o24bobo8bo$30b3o92bo13bo25bo10bo$30bo
91b3o12bobo24b2o9b2o$46b3o72bo15b2o36b2o$46bo74b4o52bobo$47bo71b2o3bo
3b2o47b2o2bo2bo$80bobo35bo2b3o4b2o51bo2b3o$81b2o35b2obo60bo4bo$81bo39b
o59b2ob3o$121b2o57bo2b2o$138b2o39bobo$137b2o22bo16bobob2obo$129b2o8bo
21b3o15bo2bob2o$130bo33bo17bo$127b3o33b2o16b2o$127bo50bobo2b2o$178b2o
2bo2bo$183b2o3$166b2o16b2o$184bo$182bobo$173b2o7b2o$69bo95b2o6bobo10bo
$68b2o94bobo6bob2o9b3o$68bobo93bo9b2o13bo$103bo60bo2b4o3bo13bobo$104bo
60bobobo18bobo$102b3o61b2o21bo2$191b3o2$190bo3bo$168b2o20bo3bo9b2o$
168b2o18bo7bo7b2o$186b2o4bo4b2o$191bobo4bo$190bo3bo3bo$184bo3bobo3bob
2o$183bob2o2bo5bo$183bo$182b2o3$199b2obo$90b2o107b2ob3o$90bobo112bo$
90bo78b2o28b2ob3o$124bo43bobo27bo2b2o$39b2o11bo72b2o35b2o4bo28bobo$39b
2o10bobo70b2o34bo2bo2b2ob4o23bobob2obo$51bobo2b2o3bo98b2obobobobo2bo6b
2o16bo2bob2o$50b2ob2o2bo2bobo100bobobobo10bo8b3o8bo$54bobo3bobo12b2o
63bo22bobob2o11bobo8bo7b2o$50b2obo2b4obo13bo62b3o23bo16b2o7bo5bobo2b2o
$50b2obobo3bo13bobo61bo58b2o2bo2bo$54bobo3bo12b2o62b2o38b2o6b2o14b2o$
55bobo3bo106b2o7bo7bob3o$56bo3b2o72b2o32b2o5bobo7b2o2bo$82bo42bo9b2o
38b2o9b3o$82b3o38b3o8bo52bo$48bobo2b2o30bo36bo$47bo3bob3o28b2o11b2o9b
3obo9b2o36bobo$48bo6b2o40b2o8bo3bob2o45b2o$32b2o15b5obo51b2o4bo47bo$
31bo2bo16b4o52bob4o$30bob2o5b3o10bo112b2o15b2o$30bo10bo91bo32bo15b2o
14b2o$29b2o9bo92b3o27b3o32bo$44b2o33bob2o51b2o27bo35b3o$44bo34bo3bobo
48bobo10bo53bo$45b3o24b2o11bo39bo2bo6b2o8bobo$47bo11b2o11b2o9bobo23b2o
12b2o10b2o9b2o$60bo18bobo28bo13bob3o$57b3o47b3o6bob2o6bo10b2o42b2o$57b
o49bo6b3ob2o17bo43bobo$113bo24b3o40bo12b2o$114b3ob2o20bo12bo40bo$98b2o
16bobo35b2o36bobo$98bobo15bobo4b2o28b2o37b2o$100bo16bo6bo$100b2o19b3o
65b2o$121bo67bobo4bo$139bo46b2o7bobo$68bo69bo48bo7bobo$67bo70b3o47bo5b
2ob3o$67b3o113b2o2b3o10bo$18bo167bob2o4b2ob3o$18b2o165b2ob2o4b2obo$17b
obo166bobo$3b2o182bo13b2o$4bo176b2o18bo$2bo164bobo10bobo16bobo$2b5o14b
2o145b2o10bo18b2o$7bo13bo146bo10b2o$4b3o12bobo$3bo15b2o$3b4o176b2o$b2o
3bo3b2o170bo2bo$o2b3o4b2o164bo6bobo$2obo105b2o5b2o56bobo7bo$3bo106bo5b
2o57b2o$3b2o105bobo$111b2o70bo5b2o$115b2o65b2o6b2o$11b2o94bo8bo4bo60b
2o$12bo34bo59b3o4b2o3bobo60b2o10b2o$9b3o33b2o63bo9b2o60b3o9bobo$9bo15b
2o6bo12b2o61b2o72bo12bo$25bobo5b3o151bo8b2o$25bo10bo$35b2o74b3o$106b2o
3bobo6b2o$106b2o3b3o6b2o68bo$191bo$189b3o$102b2o$102bo6b3o$45b2o52b2ob
o6bobo7bo42b3o$38b2o5bobo51bo2b2o5b3o6bobo43bo$38b2o7bo52b2o4bo12bo43b
o$47b2o53b5o89bobo$102bo4b2o88b2o$34bo68b2o2bo42bo46bo$33bobob2o66bobo
40b3o$33bobobobo65bobobo2bo34bo$30b2obobobobo2bo63b2ob4o34b2o$30bo2bo
2b2ob4o65bo32bobo$32b2o4bo69bobo31b2o61bo$38bobo68b2o31bo60bobo$39b2o
163b2o3$137b2o$136bobo5b2o$136bo7b2o$135b2o2$149bo$145b2obobo$144bobob
obo$141bo2bobobobob2o$141b4ob2o2bo2bo$145bo4b2o$143bobo$143b2o!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby dvgrn » April 9th, 2015, 2:09 am

chris_c wrote:And I added the following p29. The area is over twice as small as the previous gun but is still probably far from optimal. There's plenty of new technology in there: p87 Herschel factory on the left; Snark trombone in the middle; p87 glider gun feeding Syringe on the right; p29 reflector near the bottom. Surely there's a better way of fitting all this together...

Far too many ways, yes. Here's a start:

Code: Select all
x = 201, y = 145, rule = B3/S23
70b2o$69bobo48bo11b2o$32b2o29b2o4bo49bobo10b2o$32bobo26bo2bo2b2ob4o37b
o3b2o2bobo$34bo4b2o20b2obobobobo2bo36bobo2bo2b2ob2o$30b4ob2o2bo2bo21bo
bobobo39bobo3bobo$30bo2bobobobob2o21bobob2o41bob4o2bob2o$33bobobobo25b
o47bo3bobob2o$34b2obobo55b2o15bo3bobo$38bo39b2o16bo14bo3bobo$69b2o7bo
17bobo12b2o3bo$24b2o43b2o5bobo18b2o2b2o$25bo50b2o23b2o$25bobo5b3o76b2o
$26b2o4bo3bo32b2o40b4o9b6o$31bo5bo31bobo38b3obo9b4o$31bo5bo31bo41b3obo
12bo10b2o$31bo5bo74b3o23bo2bo$32bo3bo76b2o24b2obo$33b3o30b2o74bo17bo
11b2o$67bo74b2o15bobo10b2o$36b2o26b3o60b2o18bo3bo3b2o2bobo$36bo27bo63b
o16b3o2bobo2bo2b2ob2o$37b3o55b2o28b3o16bo5bobo3bobo$39bo54bobo16b2o10b
o18b2o5bob4o2bob2o6b3o$94bo18bobo37bo3bobob2o6bobo$93b2o20bo36bo3bobo
14bo$109b2o4b2o34bo3bobo8b2o5bo$48bobo48bo9bobo39b2o3bo9b2obo3bo$48b2o
48b3o10bo55b5o$49bo48b2o3b2o6b2o$104bo66bob2obo$101bo3bo48b2o15bo4bo$
100b2o3bo47bobo15bob2obo$3b2o10b2o40bobo38b2o4bo44bo5bo23b2o$4bo11b2o
40b2o86b2o2bo27bo2bo$2bo12bo42bo32b2o4bo5bo41bo5bo27b2obo$2b5o14b2o67b
2o40b2o10b2ob2o33bo$7bo13bo70bo5bo4bo28b2o11b4o3bo29b2o$4b3o12bobo78bo
2bo42bo4bo15b2o$3bo15b2o79b3o45b3o17bo$3b4o141bo16b3o$b2o3bo3b2o11bo
129b2o10bo$o2b3o4b2o11b3o127bobo$2obo22bo128bo$3bo21b2o128b2o$3b2o107b
2o$112bo$110bobo70b3o10b2o$11b2o14bo82b2o71bo12bo$12bo13b3o155bo13bo$
9b3o14b2o150b2o14b5o$9bo25b2o77bo64bo13bo$28b2o5bobo75bobo63bobo12b3o$
28b2o7bo75bobo64b2o15bo$37b2o41bo31b2ob3o76b4o$81bo36bo70b2o3bo3b2o$
24bo54b3o30b2ob3o71b2o4b3o2bo$23bobob2o83b2obo81bob2o$23bobobobo105b2o
60bo$20b2obobobobo2bo86b2o14bobo58b2o$20bo2bo2b2ob4o2b2o62b2o5b2o11bo
17bo$22b2o4bo6bobo60bobo16bobo13b4ob2o12bo$28bobo6bo4b2o54bo8bo9b2o14b
o2bobobo9bobo35b2o$29b2o2b4ob2o2bo2bo51b2o9b3o27bobo10b2o35bo$33bo2bob
obobob2o58bo4b2o27bo2b2o46b3o$36bobobobo60bo5b2o18b2o6b2o4bo23bo23bo$
37b2obobo60b3o16b2o5b2o8b5o21b3o$41bo81bo15bo4b2o18bo7bo$117bo5bobo8b
3o5b2o2bo17b2o6b2o$27b2o88b3o4b2o8b3o6bob2o24bobo$28bo91bo7b3o4bo7bo$
28bobo5b3o69bo10b2o7b3o11b2o$29b2o4bo3bo67bobo19bo$34bo5bo66bobo12bo$
34bo5bo67bo12bobo$34bo5bo52b2o17b2o3b2o2b2o31b2o$35bo3bo52bobo6bo10bob
o2b2o34bobo5b2o$36b3o16bo36bo9b2o10bo21bo16bo7b2o$55b3o33b2o8b2o11b2o
19bobo14b2o$39b2o17bo70b2o5bo$39bo17bobo69b2o35bo$40b3o14bobo102b2obob
o$42bo15bo102bobobobo$109bo5bo42bo2bobobobob2o$110bo4b2o41b4ob2o2bo2bo
$108b3o3bobo45bo4b2o$160bobo$73b2o85b2o$73b2o2$8b2o$9bo50b3o$7bo10b2o
33b2o5bo2bo72bo$7b5o7b2o5b2o24bobo82b2o$12bo5bo7bo25bo5bo77b2o15bo$9bo
bo12bobo24b2o5bo4bo87b3o$8bobo13b2o34b2o88bo$8b2o140b2o$6b2o2bob2ob2o
51b2obo16b2o34bo$5bo2b2o4b2o52b2ob3o15bo32bobo$5b2obo5bo59bo12bo35b2o
33b2o$8bo59b2ob3o13b5o14b2o51bo$8b2o57bo2b2o20bo13bo52bob2o$66bobo20b
3o12bobo44b2o4b3o2bo$48bo9b2o5bobob2obo15bo9b2o4b2o45b2o3bo3b2o$16b2o
30b3o10bo4bo2bob2o15b4o6b3o29bo25b4o$17bo33bo6bo2bo7bo16b2o3bo3b2o2bo
31b2o9b2o15bo$14b3o33b2o7b2o7b2o15bo2b3o4b2o33b2o9bobo12b3o$14bo44b2o
4bobo2b2o13b2obo52bo13bo$58bo2bo3b2o2bo2bo15bo51b2o14b5o$58bo11b2o16b
2o70bo$59b3o96bo$158b2o$34b3o34b2o23b2o45bo$34bo36bo25bo45bobo$35bo33b
obo22b3o46b2o$69b2o23bo$89bo42bo$43b2o44b3o38b3o$42bo49bo23b2o11bo$43b
obo5b2o26bo11b2o11b2o9b4o10b2o5b2o6bobo$44bo6b2o24b3o24b2o9bob3o15bo2b
o6b2o$51bo24bo37bob3o17bobo6bo$48b2o26b2o37b3o19bo$47bo2bo10b2o52b2o$
47bobo12bo$48bo13bob2o8bo12bo$55b2o6bo2bo5bobo13b2o51b2o10bo$55b2o7b2o
7b2o14b2o46b2obo2bo7bobo$79bo11bo46bo2b2o9b2o$79b2o5b5o25b2o12b3ob3o2b
2o$89bo27bo16b5o$114b3o6bob2o7b2ob2o5b2o$114bo6b3ob2o17bo$88bo3b2o26bo
24b3o11bo$87bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo12b2o$86bobo3bo12b2o16bobo33b2o$82b2obo
bo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o$82b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$86bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$
82b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo$83bobo2b2o3bo73bo$71b2o10bobo82bo$71b2o11bo81b3o!
[[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 3 LOOP 1160 ]]

It's really nice having that p29 reflector available. I'm not sure it was necessary here; the loaf can theoretically be reset by a glider of either color. Still, with a color-changing reflector, and a base period relatively prime to 8, any glider output can be hooked up to any glider input -- though it might require a painfully long path in some cases.

The real trick would be to set up a single p87 Herschel factory with several extra glider outputs, and find a reasonably short path to match three of those outputs up with the three required in puts.

Actually the real trick would be if the resulting gun was really smaller than some multi-p87-gun version. It seldom-to-never seems to work out that way.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby chris_c » April 9th, 2015, 7:57 am

dvgrn wrote:Far too many ways, yes. Here's a start:


Thanks for that. I don't know why I turned to the p29 reflector. At first I tried 3 Snarks to hit the loaf on the other lane but I couldn't get the timing to work. Looking at it again today it seems like it should have been easy. Oh well.

I also improved the p58 and p59:

x = 412, y = 102, rule = B3/S23
374b2o$263bo11b2o96bobo$262bobo10b2o90b2o4bo$254bo3b2o2bobo100bo2bo2b
2ob4o$245b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o99b2obobobobo2bo$245b2o6bobo3bobo106bobobob
o$254bob4o2bob2o102bobob2o$256bo3bobob2o103bo$255bo3bobo$254bo3bobo
121b2o$254b2o3bo113b2o7bo$373b2o5bobo$328b2o50b2o$256bo71bobo$90b2o
160b6o9b2o61bo4b2o$89bobo159b2ob2o2bo8b2o57b4ob2o2bo2bo35b2o$83b2o4bo
161b2o3bob2o22b2o42bo2bobobobob2o35bobo$81bo2bo2b2ob4o159b4obo22bo2bo
44bobobobo38bo$81b2obobobobo2bo160b2o26b2obo44b2obobo$84bobobobo144b2o
48bo48bo35b2o$40b2o42bobob2o145b2o40b2o6b2o84bo$40bobo42bo184b2o5bobo
40b2o46b3o16bo$42bo4b2o222bo5bo43bo7b2o37bo17bobo6bo$38b4ob2o2bo2bo47b
2o168b3o50bobo5b2o56bo5b3o$38bo2bobobobob2o38b2o7bo157b2o10bo53b2o68bo
5b2o$41bobobobo41b2o5bobo157bobo133b2o4bo$42b2obobo48b2o160bo137bobo$
46bo100b2o109b2o136b2o$147bobo$32b2o115bo4b2o$33bo7b2o49bo52b4ob2o2bo
2bo$33bobo5b2o48b2o52bo2bobobobob2o154b2o18b2o66b2o$34b2o55bobo54bobob
obo158bo18bo43b2o22bo$86b2o61b2obobo156bo10b2o9b3o39bobo20bobo$87bo65b
o157b5o5bobo6b3o2bo10bo28bo16b3o3b2o$84b3o229bo6bo6bo3bo10bo28b2o15bo
3bo$84bo54b2o172b2obo2bo8bobob2o11b3o43b2o2bo$140bo7b2o162bo15b2obo53b
2o7b2o$37b3o100bobo5b2o162b2o3bo3b2o8bo52bobo$39bo4b2o95b2o167b2o7bo
11b3o50bo7b2o$38bo5bo264bo2bob2ob3o14bo16bo31b2o7bobo$45b3o261b2obo20b
2o17bo39bo$47bo264bo37b3o$158bo153b2o76b2o$156bobo231b2o15b2o$157b2o
231b2o10b2o2bo2bo$151b2o167b2o65b2o13bobo2b2o$63bobo85bo105bo63bo64bob
o16b2o$63b2o87b3o103b2o58b3o22b2o41bo19bo$64bo22b2o39b2o24bo102b2o59bo
17b2o5bobo39b2o14b3o2bob2o$88bo40bo206b2o7bo58bob2obo$66bo21bobo36bo
176b4o37b2o51bo4bobo$67bo10bo10b2o36b5o14b2o156b2o2bo90bo4bo2b2o$65b3o
8b3o53bo13bo157bo4bo22bo72b2ob3o$75bo53b3o12bobo160b2o22bobob2o74bo$
11b2o49bo12b2o51bo15b2o160b2o23bobobobo67b2ob3o$11b2o48bobo46b2o16b4o
198b2obobobo2bo64b2obo$61bobo46b2o14b2o3bo3b2o154b2o38bo2b2ob4o$60b2ob
2o60bo2b3o4b2o155bo36bobo4bo60b2o$59bo2bo2bo20b2o37b2obo13b2o148bobo5b
obo26b2o5bobo49b2o6bo2bo$2o57b2o2b2o20b3ob2o37bo13bobo137bo10b2o5bobo
34b2o50bo5b6o$bo23b2o51b2o6b2ob3o36b2o12bo43b2o92b3o18bo3bo2b2o79bobo
5bob2o$bobo21bo52b2o5b3ob2o95bo92bo25bobo3bo78b2o5b3o$2b2o19bobo59b2o
97bobo92b2o26bo2bo87bo$10b3o10b2o10bo100b2o46b2o78b2o42bo5b2o$9bo3bo
21b3o99bo127bo35b3o2b2o6b2o$8bo3b2o3bo20bo48bo3b2o41b3o128bob2o37b2o
102b2o$8b3o6bo19b2o47bobo3bo35bo5bo36bo94bo2bo140b2o$10bo41b2o31bobo3b
o36b3o38b3o95b2o35b2o$9b2o41bo28b2obobo3bo40bo36bo104b2o29b2o$10bo38b
2obo28b2obo2b4obo5b2o18bo11b2o3bo7b2o23b2o105bo2b2o69bo31bo$39b3o6bo2b
o33bobo3bobo5bo16b3o15bo8b2o126bo5bo71b3o27bobo$13bo25bo2bo6b2o30b2ob
2o2bo2bobo2b3o16bo17bo4bo35b2o11bo82bo2bo2b2o3bo22bo47bo27b2o13bo$14bo
24bo3bo38bobo2b2o3bo3bo18b2o16b2o40b2o8bobo88bo5bo21bo46b2o41bobo$9bo
4bo28bo26b2o10bobo15b2o35bob3o32bo11b2o83bo10bo8bo3b2o97bobo$39bo3bo
26b2o11bo17bo34bobo2bo130bo7b2o8bobo3bo9bobo23bo42bo19bo$12bo26bo2bo
58bob2o28b2obobob2o137b2o8bobo3bo10bo2bo22b3o38b3o16b3o$7bo3b2o26b3o
60bo2bo63bo10b2o92bo10b2obobo3bo13bo26bo21bo14bo19bo$6bob2o11b2o3bo76b
2o9bo22b3o29bo9bo2bo90b2ob2o7b2obo2b4obo5b2o3bo14bo11b2o11b2o7b2o14b2o
$6bo14bo3bobo87b2ob2o8bo42b3o6b2o91b2ob2o11bobo3bobo5bo16b3o24b2o7bobo
$5b2o15bo3bobo85b2o2b2o6b2o27b2o16bo101bo9b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o16bo$23bo
3bobob2o94b2o27bo14bobo100b2o10bobo2b2o3bo3bo18b2o45b3o$21bob4o2bob2o
120b3o6bob2o17b2o89b2o10bobo15b2o57bobobobo$20bobo3bobo124bo6b3ob2o17b
o90b2o11bo17bo56b2obo3bo$20bobo2bo2b2ob2o94bo3b2o26bo24b3o118bob2o17b
2o35bobo2b2o$21bo3b2o2bobo94bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo119bo2bo19bo31bo5bo16b
2o8bobo$29bobo10b2o81bobo3bo12b2o16bobo142b2o15b2o4b2o29b2obo2bo15bo2b
o8b2o$30bo11b2o77b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o152b2o6bo28b2ob2obo17b2o9bo
$121b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo151b3o2b2o2bo27b2o$125bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o
157b2obo29bo$121b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo189b3o6bob2o17b2o$122bobo2b2o3bo224b
o6b3ob2o17bo$110b2o10bobo206bo3b2o26bo24b3o$110b2o11bo206bobo3bo27b3ob
2o20bo$329bobo3bo12b2o16bobo$325b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o$325b2obo2b
4obo13bo16bo6bo$329bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$325b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo$326bobo2b
2o3bo73bo$314b2o10bobo82bo$314b2o11bo81b3o!


Here are the latest Halls of Pain and the Insane: (EDITED twice, see below)

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Hall of Pain (p39 to p77)
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59 16642
41 16120
58 15040
62 14141
56 13832
54 13776
51 13566
55 13560
43 13065
42 12971
57 12017
73 12006
71 11385
39 11252
53 10752
61 10707
49 10192
76 10044
65 8976
63 8436


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Hall of the Insane (p14 to p38)
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17 143637
14 129745
19 106959
21 67575
27 53985
16 39999
38 38784
34 31104
28 30016
29 29145
32 27048
31 22952
18 22750
35 21360
26 20400
37 16800
33 16006
25 15762
15 4004
20 3080


EDIT: Added a new p41 (on the left). I would just like to point out if the same method is used to make the p59 (shown on the right), then it is 1 cell bigger than the p59 I posted above. Conversely when I tried the p59 method in the p41 case it turned out worse than using two p82 guns.

x = 377, y = 115, rule = B3/S23
312bo11b2o$92bo11b2o205bobo10b2o$91bobo10b2o197bo3b2o2bobo$83bo3b2o2bo
bo200b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o$74b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o199b2o6bobo3bobo$74b2o6bob
o3bobo212bob4o2bob2o$83bob4o2bob2o210bo3bobob2o$85bo3bobob2o209bo3bobo
$84bo3bobo212bo3bobo$83bo3bobo213b2o3bo$83b2o3bo$98b2o$98b3o$94bo211bo
9b2o$93b2o3b3o147bo11b2o44b2o8b2o$28bo11b2o32b2o16b2o153bobo10b2o38b2o
3bobo14b2o7b2o$27bobo9bobo32b2o17b2o16b2o126bo3b2o2bobo48b4o19b2o7bo2b
o$19bo3b2o2bobo80bo2bo116b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o46bo4bo20bo7b2obo$10b2o6bob
o2bo2b2ob2o74bo5b2obo115b2o6bobo3bobo37b2o11bo2b4o30bo$10b2o6bobo3bobo
11b2o24b2o9b2o27b2o8bo124bob4o2bob2o33b2o11b2obob2o30b2o$19bob4o2bob2o
7b3obo21b2o4bobobo2bo26bobo7b2o125bo3bobob2o51b2o15b2o$21bo3bobob2o4bo
3b3o28bobo2b2o22b2o139bo3bobo52b3o18bo$20bo3bobo7bobo4bo27b3o5bo22bo
138bo3bobo71b3o$19bo3bobo7bo2bo31b2o6bo20b3o139b2o3bo60b2o10bo$19b2o3b
o8bo42bo8b2o10bo207bobo$33b2o3b2o36bo8bobo219bo$24bo12bo36b2obo9bo158b
3o3bo54b2o$24b2o11b3o33b2o3bo8b2o155b5o2bobo$23bobo46bobo2bo165b2o8bo$
71b2o2b2o167b2o4b3o14b2o$12bo34b2o22b2ob2o169bo3b2o15bo2bo$10b2o34bo2b
o22bobo192b2obo$10b3o2b2o30b2obo22bo146b2o48bo$2o7bo5b2o33bo169b2o48b
2o$2o8bo4bo34b2o203b2o$10bo3bo20b2o219bo$12bo7bo15bo216b3o$17bo15b3o
205b2o10bo$17bo4bo10bo207bobo23b2o$20b2obo24bo76b2o116bo22b2o$23bo23b
2o75b2o117b2o23bo$23b2o22bobo76bo3$352bo$351b2o$351bobo4$311bo44bo$91b
o220bo42b4o$92bo217b3o41bo3b2o$90b3o260bo2bo2bo$353b2ob2o$118b2o118bo
115b3o$119bo119bo100b2o14b3o$119bobo115b3o101bo15b3o$20bo88bo10b2o219b
obo13bobo$21bo85b3o221bo10b2o13bo2bo$19b3o46b2o36bo222b3o25bobo$67b2o
37b2o16b2o202bo$69bo21b2o30bo2bo14b2o185b2o27bo$92bo33b2o13b2o170b2o
41bobo4b2o$92bob2o25bo3b2o187bo39bo3bo4b2o$67b2ob2o21bo2bo23bo4bo188bo
b2o36b4o$70bobo21b2o24b3o192bo2bo36bo$68bo3bo26b2o215b2o$69b3o26b3ob3o
$54b2o13b3o27b2o231bo$55bo50bo169b2o53b3o$55bobo14bo204bo13bo36b3ob2o$
45bo10b2o14bo29b4ob2o9bo3b2o153bobo10b3o35bo$43b3o25bo29b5obo9bobo3bo
143bo10b2o9b2obo47bo3b2o$42bo27bo31bo2bo10bobo3bo142b3o21bo49bobo3bo$
42b2o24bobo32b3o6b2obobo3bo142bo24b2o2b3o42bobo3bo$27b2o36b4obob3o2b2o
25bo7b2obo2b4obo5b2o133b2o23b3o2b2o38b2obobo3bo$28bo35bob2o3bobo3b2o
37bobo3bobo5bo118b2o40bo2bo4b2o33b2obo2b4obo5b2o$28bob2o39b2o39b2ob2o
2bo2bobo2b3o120bo39b5o4b2o37bobo3bobo5bo7bo$29bo2bo8bo10b3o58bobo2b2o
3bo3bo122bob2o8bo29bo41b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o9b2o$30b2o7bobo8b4ob2o44b2o9b
o2bo38bo96bo2bo6b3o71bobo2b2o3bo3bo10b2o$40b2o3bobo4b2o2bo44b2o10b2o
37b3o97b2o6b2ob2o23b3o32b2o9bo2bo38bo$45b2o7b3o85bobo6bo107b2o26b2ob2o
31b2o10b2o37b3o$49bobo59b4o28b2o6b2o105b3o26b2obobo80bo$111bo3bo27bo
115b2o27bo3bo40b4o36b2o$114b2o144b2ob2o23bo2bo41bo3bo$54bo3b2o201b3o
25b3o44b2o$53bobo3bo35bo42bo123bo13bo3b2o$52bobo3bo36b3o38b3o136bobo3b
o35bo42bo$48b2obobo3bo13bobo24bo36bo138bobo3bo36b3o38b3o$48b2obo2b4obo
5b2o5b2o11bo11b2o36b2o133b2obobo3bo40bo22b2o2b2o8bo$52bobo3bobo5bo5bo
10b3o184b2obo2b4obo5b2o18bo11b2o11b2o9b2o2b2o8b2o$48b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o
16bo26b2o43bo119bobo3bobo5bo16b3o24b2o7bo6b2o$49bobo2b2o3bo3bo18b2o19b
2o3bob2o40bobo115b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o16bo35bo7bo27bo$37b2o10bobo15b2o39b
obobo23b2o15b2o116bobo2b2o3bo3bo18b2o35b2ob2ob2o25bobo$37b2o11bo17bo
40b2o24bo2bo120b2o10bobo15b2o52bo3b2o26b2o$68bob2o36b3o26b3o119b2o11bo
17bo$69bo2bo33b5o26b2o8b2o141bob2o$70b2o34bo2b2o21b2o3bo8bo2bo141bo2bo
74b2o$107b3o22bo2b2o10b2o143b2o74bo2bo$108bo13b2o9b3o172bo60b2o$83bo2b
o36bo8b3o172b3o34b2o$83b2o35b3o6bob2o17b2o154bobo36bo$83b6o31bo6b3ob2o
17bo152b2o37b3o6bob2o17b2o$88bo5bo3b2o26bo24b3o151bo36bo6b3ob2o17bo$
93bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo162bo3b2o26bo24b3o$88bo3bobo3bo12b2o16bobo183bobo
3bo27b3ob2o20bo$89bobobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o176bobo3bo12b2o16bobo$89b3o
2b4obo13bo16bo6bo172b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o$89bo2bobo3bobo12b2o19b
3o173b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$88b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo179bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o
$89bobo2b2o3bo210b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo$77b2o10bobo219bobo2b2o3bo$77b2o11b
o208b2o10bobo$299b2o11bo!


EDIT2: Flipping the right hand gun diagonally in the p41 is better and the same method also gives improvements to p59 and p73. Also I improved p51 along the same lines as p39, 43, 49, 53, 57. Lists above are updated.

#C pseudo-period guns of p41, p59 and p73
x = 504, y = 106, rule = B3/S23
86b2o178b2o$86b2o178b2o4$28bo11b2o166bo11b2o$27bobo9bobo165bobo10b2o$
19bo3b2o2bobo169bo3b2o2bobo$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o55bo103b2o6bobo2bo2b2o
b2o$10b2o6bobo3bobo11b2o45b3o102b2o6bobo3bobo$19bob4o2bob2o7b3obo28b2o
11b2ob2o110bob4o2bob2o40b2o199b2o$21bo3bobob2o4bo3b3o29b2o11bo116bo3bo
bob2o40b2o199b2o$20bo3bobo7bobo4bo158bo3bobo$19bo3bobo7bo2bo49bo112bo
3bobo$19b2o3bo8bo52b2o111b2o3bo$33b2o3b2o45bob2o305bo11b2o$24bo12bo
355bobo10b2o$24b2o11b3o166b3o3bo172bo3b2o2bobo$23bobo45b2o131b5o2bobo
37b2o123b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o$70bo2bo2b2o35bo89b2o8bo36bo2bo2b2o35bo82b2o
6bobo3bobo$12bo34b2o22b2o2bobo36bo89b2o4b3o14b2o22b2o2bobo3b3o30bo90bo
b4o2bob2o40b2o39bo$10b2o34bo2bo23b2o16b2o19b3o90bo3b2o15bo2bo23b2o7bo
8b2o19b3o92bo3bobob2o40b2o39b3o$10b3o2b2o30b2obo22bo17bo135b2obo22bo8b
3o6bo114bo3bobo88bo$2o7bo5b2o33bo19b2obo2bo15b3o85b2o48bo19b2obo2bo15b
3o110bo3bobo88bobo$2o8bo4bo34b2o18bob2obob3obo12bo85b2o48b2o18bob2obob
o16bo110b2ob2o90bobo$10bo3bo20b2o37bobob3o134b2o37bobo224bo$12bo7bo15b
o34b2o2bo4bo135bo34b2o2bo$17bo15b3o33b3ob2o54bo83b3o33b3ob2o$17bo4bo
10bo34bo60b3o69b2o10bo34bo149b2o37b2o$20b2obo24bo20b3ob2o57bo68bobo23b
2o20b3ob2o56bo86b2o36bo2bo2b2o35bo$23bo23b2o22bob2o56bobo69bo22b2o23bo
b2o56b3o62bo36b2o22b2o2bobo36bo15b2o$23b2o22bobo81bobo69b2o23bo85bo60b
3o34bo2bo23b2o16b2o19b3o15b2o$76b3o53bo128b2o50bobo58bo2b2o34b2obo22bo
17bo$75bo2bo11b2o169b2o7b2o41bobo50b2o5b2o3b2o36bo19b2obo2bo15b3o$78bo
11bo179bo43bo51b2o6bobo2bobo26b2o6b2o18bob2obobo16bo$74bob2o10bobo177b
obo46bo57b2o3b2o19b2o4b2o31bobo33b2o$75bo12b2o178b2o47bo84bo6bo27b2o2b
o33bobo$79b3o65b2o167bobo80b3o33b3ob2o34bo$80b2o65b2o173bo64b2o10bo34b
o39b2o7b2o$73bo248bo6b2o56bobo45b3ob2o42b2o$68b2o64bo113b2o66bob2ob4o
4b2o58bo47bob2o6bo$68b2o62bobo113b2o67bobo4b2o63b2o55bobo42b2obo$127b
2o4b2o182bo2bo5bo119bob2o41b2ob3o$126bobo190b3o2b2o121bo8b2o39bo$126bo
143b2o37b2o8bo2bo133bo34b2ob3o$125b2o7b2o133b2o37bobo9bobo121b2o8bobo
33bo2b2o$84bo8bo40b2o62bo65bo6bo36bo11bobo121b2o8b2o33bobo$83bobo6b2o
105bo63bobo41b2o162bo16bobob2obo$20bo62bobo6bobo47b2obo51b3o63bobo205b
3o15bo2bob2o$21bo62bo57b2ob3o116bo209bo17bo$19b3o46b2o15b3o60bo116b3o
56b2obo106b2o37b2o16b2o$67b2o18bo54b2ob3o119bo56b2ob3o104b2o52bobo2b2o
$69bo71bo2b2o184bo72b2o83b2o2bo2bo$134b3o3bobo181b2ob3o74bo88b2o$122bo
8b3obo3bobob2obo176bo2b2o76bobo$67b2ob2o50b3o7b2ob2o3bo2bob2o175bobo
69bo10b2o70bo$70bobo52bo6b2ob2o6bo160bo16bobob2obo63b3o55bo25bo17b2o$
68bo3bo51b2o8bo7b2o160b3o15bo2bob2o62bo57bobo25bo16bo$69b3o67bobo2b2o
161bo17bo65b2o56bobo40bobo$54b2o13b3o67b2o2bo2bo159b2o16b2o50b2o48b2o
22bo3bo28b2o7b2o$55bo88b2o175bobo2b2o49bo48b2o23b4o21bo6bobo$55bobo14b
o163b2o83b2o2bo2bo48bob2o94b2o8bo$45bo10b2o14bo164bo13bo74b2o50bo2bo
69b4o19b2o7b3o$43b3o25bo73b2o90bobo10b3o126b2o70bo3bo19b2o2b2o22bo$42b
o27bo74bo81bo10b2o9b2obo201bobo19b2obo21b3o$42b2o24bobo72bobo79b3o21bo
77b2o66bo59bo21bobo20bo$27b2o36b4obob3o2b2o64b2o79bo24b2o2b3o71bo67bo
104b2o$28bo35bob2o3bobo3b2o34b2o5bo7bo95b2o23b3o2b2o69bobo63b2obobo$
28bob2o39b2o30bo8b2o4b3o7b2o79b2o40bo2bo4b2o42b3o5bo4bo8b2o64bo64b2o$
29bo2bo8bo10b3o48b3o8bo3bobobo4bo82bo39b5o4b2o41bo2b7o3bo3b2o71bo10bo
3b2o47b2o$30b2o7bobo8b4ob2o49bo10b3o3b2o4b2o23bo55bob2o8bo29bo48bob2ob
4o2bo2bo4bobo79bobo3bo35bo33b2o7bo$40b2o3bobo4b2o2bo48bobo10bo2b3obobo
3bo20b3o56bo2bo6b3o77bobo5bob5o4b2ob2o76bobo3bo36b3o31b2o5b3o$45b2o7b
3o49bo12b4ob2obobo12bobo6bo60b2o6b2ob2o23b3o50b2o7b6obob5o12bo60b2obob
o3bo40bo14b2o20bo$49bobo68bo7bo14b2o6b2o66b2o26b2ob2o62b3o3b3o11b3o60b
2obo2b4obo5b2o18bo11b2o13b2ob2o18b2o$128b3o12bo74b3o26b2obobo54b2o24bo
67bobo3bobo5bo16b3o27bo2bo$107b2o6b2o102b2o27bo3bo54b3o23b2o62b2ob2o2b
o2bobo2b3o16bo30bo2bo37bo$54bo3b2o47b2o6bobo102b2ob2o23bo2bo146bobo2b
2o3bo3bo18b2o30b2o36bobo$53bobo3bo35bo19bo13b2o7bo82b3o25b3o134b2o10bo
bo15b2o84b2o$52bobo3bo36b3o31b2o5b3o83bo13bo3b2o144b2o11bo17bo39bo$48b
2obobo3bo13bobo24bo36bo99bobo3bo35bo33b2o7bo96bob2o36bo$48b2obo2b4obo
5b2o5b2o11bo11b2o36b2o97bobo3bo36b3o31b2o5b3o97bo2bo74b2o$52bobo3bobo
5bo5bo10b3o144b2obobo3bo40bo22b2o2b2o8bo101b2o8bobo63bo2bo$48b2ob2o2bo
2bobo2b3o16bo26b2o43bo75b2obo2b4obo5b2o18bo11b2o11b2o9b2o2b2o8b2o111b
2o2b2o60b2o$49bobo2b2o3bo3bo18b2o19b2o3bob2o40bobo79bobo3bobo5bo16b3o
24b2o7bo6b2o120bo3b2o22bo12b2o$37b2o10bobo15b2o39bobobo23b2o15b2o75b2o
b2o2bo2bobo2b3o16bo35bo7bo27bo121bo13bo$37b2o11bo17bo40b2o24bo2bo92bob
o2b2o3bo3bo18b2o35b2ob2ob2o25bobo120bo11b3o6bob2o17b2o$68bob2o36b3o26b
3o79b2o10bobo15b2o52bo3b2o26b2o119b2o11bo6b3ob2o17bo$69bo2bo33b5o26b2o
8b2o70b2o11bo17bo192bo3b2o9bo16bo24b3o$70b2o34bo2b2o21b2o3bo8bo2bo100b
ob2o188bobo3bo7b2o18b3ob2o20bo$107b3o22bo2b2o10b2o102bo2bo74b2o110bobo
3bo12b2o16bobo$108bo13b2o9b3o116b2o74bo2bo105b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b
2o$83bo2bo36bo8b3o133bo60b2o106b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$83b2o35b3o6bob2o
17b2o115b3o34b2o135bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$83b6o31bo6b3ob2o17bo115bobo36bo
131b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo$88bo5bo3b2o26bo24b3o109b2o37b3o6bob2o17b2o104bob
o2b2o3bo$93bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo111bo36bo6b3ob2o17bo93b2o10bobo$88bo3bob
o3bo12b2o16bobo144bo3b2o26bo24b3o90b2o11bo$89bobobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o
137bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo$89b3o2b4obo13bo16bo6bo136bobo3bo12b2o16bobo$89b
o2bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o133b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o$88b2ob2o2bo2bobo33b
o135b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$89bobo2b2o3bo174bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$77b2o
10bobo178b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo$77b2o11bo180bobo2b2o3bo$259b2o10bobo$259b
2o11bo!
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby Sokwe » April 10th, 2015, 1:11 am

chris_c wrote:Flipping the right hand gun diagonally in the p41 is better and the same method also gives improvements to p59 and p73.

You can also pull the left-most gun in a little:
#C pseudo-period p41
x = 152, y = 104, rule = B3/S23
83b2o$83b2o7$28bo11b2o41bo$27bobo10b2o40b3o$19bo3b2o2bobo38b2o11b2ob2o
$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o37b2o11bo$10b2o6bobo3bobo$19bob4o2bob2o6b3o43bo$
21bo3bobob2o6bobo43b2o$20bo3bobo14bo40bob2o$19bo3bobo8b2o5bo$19b2o3bo
9b2obo3bo$35b5o28b2o$67bo2bo2b2o35bo$39bob2obo23b2o2bobo36bo$39bo4bo
25b2o16b2o19b3o$21bo17bob2obo25bo17bo$21b2o24b2o18b2obo2bo15b3o$16b2o
2bobo23bo2bo17bob2obob3obo12bo$15bobo29b2obo20bobob3o$2o13bo34bo17b2o
2bo4bo$2o13b2obo31b2o14b3ob2o54bo$17b2o16b2o28bo60b3o$36bo29b3ob2o57bo
$33b3o32bob2o56bobo$21b2o10bo94bobo$21bobo49b3o53bo$23bo48bo2bo11b2o$
23b2o50bo11bo$51bo19bob2o10bobo$50b2o20bo12b2o$50bobo23b3o65b2o$77b2o
65b2o$70bo$65b2o64bo$65b2o62bobo$124b2o4b2o$123bobo$123bo$122b2o7b2o$
81bo8bo40b2o$80bobo6b2o$17bo62bobo6bobo47b2obo$18bo62bo57b2ob3o$16b3o
63b3o60bo$84bo54b2ob3o$138bo2b2o$131b3o3bobo$119bo8b3obo3bobob2obo$
119b3o7b2ob2o3bo2bob2o$122bo6b2ob2o6bo$69bo51b2o8bo7b2o$67b2ob2o64bobo
2b2o$66bobo67b2o2bo2bo$66bo74b2o$65b2obob2o$54b2o8b3o$55bo9b5o72b2o$
55bobo7b2o75bo$45bo10b2o7b3o72bobo$43b3o19b2o6b2o65b2o$42bo22bobo3bo2b
o35b2o5bo7bo$42b2o21b3ob2o38b2o4b3o7b2o$27b2o9bo26bo2b2o7b2o32bo3bobob
o4bo$28bo7bobo27b2o9b2o35b3o3b2o4b2o23bo$28bob2o5b2o76bo2b3obobo3bo20b
3o$29bo2bo75b2o6b4ob2obobo12bobo6bo$30b2o16b3o16b2o40bo7bo7bo14b2o6b2o
$43bo6bo16b2o40bobo13b3o12bo$43bo4bobo59b2o$48b2o$42bobo22bo24bo33b2o
7bo$42bobo22b2o23b3o31b2o5b3o$54bo3b2o35bo36bo$53bobo3bo8b2o12bo11b2o
36b2o$52bobo3bo9bobo9b3o$48b2obobo3bo8b5o8bo26b2o43bo$48b2obo2b4obo5b
2o12b2o19b2o3bob2o40bobo$52bobo3bobo5bo38bobobo23b2o15b2o$48b2ob2o2bo
2bobo2b3o40b2o24bo2bo$49bobo2b2o3bo3bo2b3o36b3o26b3o$37b2o10bobo14bo2b
o33b5o26b2o8b2o$37b2o11bo16b2o34bo2b2o21b2o3bo8bo2bo$104b3o22bo2b2o10b
2o$105bo13b2o9b3o$80bo2bo36bo8b3o$80b2o35b3o6bob2o17b2o$80b6o31bo6b3ob
2o17bo$85bo5bo3b2o26bo24b3o$90bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo$85bo3bobo3bo12b2o16b
obo$86bobobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o$86b3o2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$86bo2bobo3bobo
12b2o19b3o$85b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo$86bobo2b2o3bo$74b2o10bobo$74b2o11bo!


On an unrelated note, I don't remember seeing this syringe variant:
x = 32, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
18bo$16b3o$15bo$15b2o$2o$bo$bob2o$2bo2bo$3b2o9bo$15b2ob2o$14b2o2b2o5$
26bo3b2o$25bobo3bo$21b2obobo3bo$21b2obo4bo$25b5obo$17b2obob2obo4b2o$
17bob2obo2bob2o$10b2o12b2obob3o$10b2o19bo!

This variant gives slightly more room on the output side, so it might be useful.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby chris_c » April 10th, 2015, 9:26 am

Sokwe wrote:You can also pull the left-most gun in a little


Thanks. That knocks 3 columns off the p41, p59, p61 and p73. Also I found a weld between a boat-bit catcher and an R-bee that saves a row in the p61. I wonder if there is anything better?

#C pseudo period p61
x = 126, y = 82, rule = B3/S23
79b2o$79b2o15bo$96b3o$99bo$98bobo$98bobo$99bo4$64b2o43bob2obo$64b2o35b
2o6bo5bo$28bo11b2o67bo5bo$27bobo10b2o62b2o4bo2b2o$19bo3b2o2bobo73b3o4b
2o$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o71bo$10b2o6bobo3bobo48bobo16b2o11b2o$19bob4o2bo
b2o42bo4bo14bobo11b2o$21bo3bobob2o33b2o7bo4bo14bo11bob2o$20bo3bobo36bo
2bo2b2o6b2o13b2o11b2o$19bo3bobo38b2o2bobo$19b2o3bo9b2o30b2o5b2o2b2o5b
2o$32bo3bo29bo6b2o2b2o5bo24b2obo$36bo26b2obo2bo4bob3o6b3o21b2ob3o$31b
3obo27bob2obobo6bo9bo27bo$67bobo6bo32b2ob3o$64b2o2bo39bo2b2o$47b2o13b
3ob2o39bobo$9b2o35bo2bo11bo27bo16bobob2obo$7b2obo36b2obo11b3ob2o21b3o
15bo2bob2o$2o4bo3bo39bo13bob2o24bo17bo$2o4bo43b2o39b2o16b2o$7bo27b2o
37b2o30bobo2b2o$6bo29bo37b2o7b2o21b2o2bo2bo$6bo26b3o47bo27b2o$4b2ob2o
12b2o10bo47bobo$4b2ob2o12bobo57b2o$5bo17bo88b2o$5bo17b2o72b2o13bo$6bo
3b2o85b2o11bobo$7bo3bo16b2o31b2o34bo12b2o$5bo2bo2bo17bo31b2o21b2o$5bo
4bo18bobo49b2o3bo8b2o$5b2ob2o9bo10b2o48b2o5b2o5bo$8b2o7b3o62bo3bobo$
16bo18b2o48bo2bo3bo4b2o9bobo$16b2o16bob2o39bo8b2o4b6o11b2o$b2o30b2obob
o12b2o23bobo14b4o12bo$2bo10bo19bo2bob2o11b2o23bobo16bo29bo$2bob2o5bobo
23b2o38b2obo42b3o$3bo2bo5b2o16bo3b4o36bo4b2o41bo$4b2o23bo44b4o3b2o13b
2o24b2o$19b2o8b3o46b2o2bo13b2o$19b2o55bo2b2o$76b2o$66bo42bo$66b3o38b3o
$28bo3b2o35bo36bo$27bobo3bo22bo11b2o11b2o8b2o2bobo8b2o$26bobo3bo21b3o
24b2o10b2o2bo$22b2obobo3bo21bo36bo2b2o2bo27bo$22b2obo2b4obo5b2o12b2o
35bobo2b2o26bobo$26bobo3bobo5bo83b2o$22b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o$23bobo2b2o3b
o3bo2b3o$11b2o10bobo14bo2bo74b2o$11b2o11bo16b2o74bo2bo$118b2o$93b2o$
54bo39bo$53bo2b3o32b3o6bob2o17b2o$54bo4bo31bo6b3ob2o17bo$55bo3bo5bo3b
2o26bo24b3o$56bo7bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo$63bobo3bo12b2o16bobo$59b2obobo3bo
13bobo15bobo4b2o$59b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$63bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$59b2ob
2o2bo2bobo33bo$60bobo2b2o3bo$48b2o10bobo$48b2o11bo!


New guns I added are:

#C pseudo period p32
x = 174, y = 99, rule = B3/S23
143bo2bo$17b2o11b2o16b2o11b2o80b6o$16bo2bo9bo2bo14bo2bo9bo2bo76bo8bob
2o$16bobo11bobo14bobo2b2obob2o2bobo73bo2b8obobo3b2o$14b2o2bo4b3o4bo2b
2o10b2o2bob3o3b3obo2b2o71b3o3bo3bobo2bobob3o$15bobob4obob4obobo12bobob
o2bobobo2bobobo75b2o2b2o3bo4bo4bo$14bo2b2ob2o5b2ob2o2bo10bo2b2o2b3ob3o
2b2o2bo71b2o3bobob4obob6o$14b2o5bo5bo5b2o10b2o17b2o71bo3b3obo5b3o3bo$
21bo5bo23bo2bobo2bo79b6o2b2obo3b2o3bo$5bo2b2o9b4o3b4o20bo3b3o3bo9b2o2b
o64b2o7bob4ob5o$4bobo2bo2bo5bo3bobobo3bo18bo2b7o2bo5bo2bo2bobo72bo5bo$
4bob2obobobo4b2ob7ob2o18b2o9b2o4bobobob2obo48b2ob2o11bobobo4b3o4b2o$3b
2obo2bobobo9b3o40bobobo2bob2o48bobobo3b2o4bo3bo7bo3bo2bo$3bo2bobo2bob
2o49bo3bob2obo2bo47bo2bob5obo7bob2o5bo4bo$4bo5bo3bobo46bo7bob2o49b3ob
2ob2obo3bob4ob2o7bobo4b2obo$3b2o4b2o6bo38bo7bobo3bo5bo50bo4bobo4bo2b2o
2b2o2b2ob2o6bob2o$2bo2bo3bo2bobo8bo31b3o5bo6bobo4bo48b2obo4b3o9b2o2b5o
10b2o$2b2o2b2obob2obo2bo4bobo29bobobo4b2ob3obob3ob2o47bo2b2o4b3o8bo5bo
10b2o3bo$8b2obo3bobo35b3ob3o3bo4bob2o53b5o6b2o19b2o3bob2obo$2b5o4bo10b
3o29bobobo9bo4b5o57b3o4bobo12bobo3bo2bo$bo4bob3o17b2o20b2o3b3o11b3obo
4bo46b5o6b2o3bo2bo13b2o4bo$bob2obobo7bo11bobo18bobo4bo14bobob2obo46bo
2b2o4b3o5bobo5bo8bob2o$2obo2bo6bo3bo12bo18bo12b4obo5bo2bob2o46b2obo4b
3o12bobo5b2o3bo2bo$bobobobo4b2o2bo7bobo3b2o16b2o9bo5bo2bo3bobobobo48bo
4bobo13bo3bo4bo2b3o2bo$bobobo2bo6bo4bo4b2o26bo4bobo2bo7bobo2bobo45b3ob
2ob2obo14bobo5bo4b2o$2obo5bob3obo4bo4bo25b2o4bo3bo2b5o2b2o2b2ob2o44bo
2bob5obo7bo6bo6bo2b3o2bo$3bobo3bo2bo6bobo30b2o4bobo4bo10bo48bobobo3b2o
8bobo11b2o3bo2bo$3bobo4bo2b2o44bo7bo4bobobo47b2ob2o14b2o14bob2o$2b2ob
2o3bo2b3o49b2o4b4ob2o69b2o9b2o4bo$4bo2b4o2b3o14bobo32b3obobo3bo72bo8bo
bo3bo2bo$4bobobo10bo11b2o14bo17bo7bobo69b3o9b2o3bob2obo$3b2ob2o23bo13b
2o25b2ob2o60bo7bo16b2o3bo$16bo5bo23b2o10b5o74bobo25b2o$13b2o4bo4b2o11b
2o15b2ob2o3b2ob2o70b2o22bob2o$12bob2ob2ob2ob2obo8b2o16bo13bo93b2obo$
12bo13bo11bo15bo2bo2bo2bo2bo5b3o$15bo7bo10bo2bo16bo2bo5bo2bo4bo52bo$
12bo2bo7bo2bo7b3o3b3o12bo9bo5bo3bo46b3o$15bobo3bobo16b3o11bo3bo3bo3bo
4bo2bobo8bo35bo$12bob3obobob3obo27b2o2bo3bo2b2o6bobo2bo4b3o34bobo44b2o
bo$11bo15bo24bo5bo3bo5bo5bo3bo3bo37bobo44bob2o$11b3o2bobobobo2b3o9b2o
13b3o2b2o3b2o2b3o9bo3b2o37bo49b2o$14bobobobobobo12b2o16bobobobobobo9b
3o40bo25b3o4bo16b2o3bo$11b2obo2b2ob2o2bob2o24b2obo2b2ob2o2bob2o11bo37b
o25bo6b3o9b2o3bob2obo$11bob2o9b2obo24bob2o9b2obo10bobo35b3o25bo8bo8bob
o5b2o$80b2o2b2o67b2o10bo4bo$84b2o19b2o8bo5bo8b2ob2o28bo3bo2bo$105b2o6b
o9bo7bobo6bo24bobob2o$29bo36b2o5b2o37b2o4bo4bo6bo2bo2bo2bobo8b3o12bo4b
o$27b2o38bo5b2o36b2o4b3o10b3ob2obob3o8bo6bo3bo2bo4b3o$28b2o37bobo42bo
2b3ob3o11bobobob2o10bo3b2o8bo4bo$68b2o34bo8b2obo3bo4b2o5bob2o3bobo4b2o
9bo7bobob2o$72b2o40b2o5bo3bobo3bo3b2o4bo2bo3bo14bo3bo2bo$9bo61bobo28b
3obo20bo3b2o7b2o6bo16bo4bo$9b3o60bo28bob2o22b2o11b2o2bo3bo14bobo5b2o$
12bo88b2obo26b2o7b2o4b2o15b2o3bob2obo$11b2o54b3o11bo17bob3o27bo3b2o4bo
10bo15b2o3bo$67b3o12bo25bob2o20bob2o3bobo8b3o3b2o13b2o$67b3o10b3o18bo
4b3ob2o21bobobob2o4bobo2bo6bob3o5bob2o$3b2o59b3o30bo7bo24b3ob2obob3o2b
o4bobo5bo2b2o5b2obo$3bo49bo10b3o29bobo7b3ob2o18bo2bo2bo2bobo3bo3bob2o
6b5o$2obo49b3o8b3o24b2o3b2o10b2o2bo18bobo6bo5b2obob2o4b2o5bo$o2b3o4b2o
44bo35b2o6b2o9bobo3b2o11b2ob2o11b2ob2o4b3ob5o$b2o3bo3b2o43b2o34bo8bobo
4bob2obobo2bobo25b3obo4bo4b2o$3b4o88b2o5bo4b2obo2bo3bo12b2ob2o12b3o4bo
b4ob5o$3bo15b2o15bo42bo15b2o5b2o6bo19bo3bo10b2o2b2o2b2obo8bo$4b3o12bob
o2b2o10b3o38b3o30b2o16bobo3bobo6bo2bo4bo5bo3bobo$7bo13bo2bo14bo22b2o2b
2o8bo31b2o2bobo13b2o5b2o6b2obo3bob4ob2o3b3o$2b5o14b3o2bo11b2o11b2o9b2o
2b2o8b2o29bo2bo2b2o31b2o3bo3bo2b3o4bo$2bo21b3o24b2o7bo6b2o39b2o15b2o
16b3o7bobo3b2ob3o$4bo18bo35bo7bo57bobo4bo10bo2b8obobobob2o$3b2o12bo5b
2o35b2ob2ob2o21b3o30b2o7bobo12bo8bob2o$8b2o8b2o42bo3b2o21bo2bo30bo7bob
o15b6o$9bo7b2o68b2o35bo5b2ob3o13bo2bo$9bob2o76bob2o26b2o2b3o10bo$10bo
2bo16bo3b2o51b2o33bob2o4b2ob3o$11b2o14bo3bob2obo50bobo31b2ob2o4b2obo$
26bo2bobo4b2o84bobo$26b2o2b3o2b2o26b2o9bobo46bo13b2o$31b2o31bo11bo40b
2o18bo$61b3o6bobo18b2o12bo10bobo16bobo$61bo6b3obobo16bo14bo9bo18b2o$
35bo3b2o26bo24b3o9b3o8b2o$34bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo$33bobo3bo12b2o16bobo$
29b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo9b2o$29b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo10bo$33bobo3bobo12b
2o19b2o6b3o$29b2ob2o2bo2bobo33b2o8bo27bo$30bobo2b2o3bo73bo$18b2o10bobo
79b3o11bo$18b2o11bo93bobo$125bobo$126bo$130b2o$110b2o18bobo$109bobo9bo
10bo$109bo12bo9b2o$108b2o10b3o!

#C pseudo period p54
x = 135, y = 102, rule = B3/S23
25bo56b2o$25b3o54bobo$28bo55bo4b2o$27b2o51b4ob2o2bo2bo$80bo2bobobobob
2o$83bobobobo$84b2obobo$88bo2$29b3o42b2o$29bo2bo6b2o34bo7b2o$28bo9bo2b
o33bobo5b2o$33bo3bobobo34b2o$27bo4bo3b3obo$27bo10bo$29bo7b2o$29b2o6b2o
54bo$30b3o61bo$31bo60b3o$86b2o$34bo9b2o40bo$33b3o8b2o41b3o$27b2o6b2o
26b2o24bo$27b2o7bo5b6o16bo$27bo10bo2bo6bo13bo$25bob3o3bo4bo3b3o2b2o13b
5o14b2o$24bobobo3bo34bo13bo$24bo2bo9bo6bo19b3o12bobo$25b2o6bo2bo4bo2bo
18bo15b2o$34b3o7bo18b4o$44bo2b2o12b2o3bo3b2o2b3o$40bo3bo2b2o11bo2b3o4b
2o2bo$11b2o27bo3bo15b2obo11bo$10bo2bo30bo18bo$10bobo28bo2bo18b2o$11bob
4o26bo$12b2ob2o7b2o15bobobo$13bo9bo2bo7bobo4b2obobo24b2o$23bo2bo8b2o7b
obo25bo$22b2ob2o8bo8b2o23b3o$23b2o44bo$14b2o41b2o$12b2ob2o40b2o$12bo2b
o104bo$12bo2bo9bo95bo$2b2o9b2o7b2ob2o92b3o$bobo18b4obo15bobo87b2o$bo
24bobo15b2o87bo$2o23bo2bo15bo86bobo$26b2o103b2o$47b2o$48b2o$26b2o19bo
27bo42bo$2o23bo2bo46b3o38b3o$bo24bobo49bo36bo$bobo18b2o3bo24bobo10bo
11b2o11b2o23b2o$2b2o3bo3b2o2bo7bob2o26b2o8b3o24b2o$5b2obob3obo2bo7bo
27bo8bo38b3o30bo$5bo4b3o2bobo7bo36b2o37bo4bo25bobo$5bo3bo6bo21b2o7b2o
53bo3b2o25b2o$6b3o21bo8b2o7bo58b2o$8bo21b3o5bo9bob2o52bo2bo$22bo6bo3bo
10b2o3bo2bo15b2o3bo31b2o20b2o$13bo7bobo2b3o4bo10bobo3b2o14b3o4b2o51bo
2bo$13bo7bo2bob3obob2o7b2obobo18bo8b2o51b2o$12b2obo7bo2b2o3bo2b3o4bobo
bo19bobo2b5o27b2o$11bo3b2o17bobo6bo22bo3b3o30bo$10bobo20bo2bo5bo2bo54b
3o6bob2o17b2o$10bo2bo19b3o6bo57bo6b3ob2o17bo$11b2o20b3o2bo3bo31bo3b2o
26bo24b3o$34bo2bo4bo4b2o24bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo$33b2o2b2o3bo4b2o23bobo3b
o12b2o16bobo$42bo25b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o$25b2o4b2ob2o7bobo22b2obo
2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$24bo2bo15bobo26bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$24bobobo6bo7bo24b
2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo$25bo2b3o5b2o4b2o3b2o20bobo2b2o3bo$34bo2b2o2bo3bo2bo
8b2o10bobo$27b2o5b2ob2o3b6o9b2o11bo$27bo7bob2o$36bo7b2o$44b2o3$29bo$
27b2obo7bo$27b2ob2o5b2o$27b2o2bo$28b2o5b3o2bo$30bo6bobobo$38bo2bo$30b
2ob2o4b2o$31b2o$28bo2bo$28bobo4$27b2o$28bo$25b3o$25bo!

#C pseudo period p55
x = 124, y = 74, rule = B3/S23
81bo$53bo27b3o$51b3o30bo25bo$50bo32b2o23b3o$50b2o55bo$89bo17b2o$47b3o
39b2o$46bo3bo34bo3b3o12b3o$45bo38bob2o15bo3bo$45bo37b2ob3o13bo$13bo31b
o3b2o33b5o13bo$13b3o31b2o53bo3b2o$16bo87b2o$15b2o2$21bo$21b2o60b5o$17b
o3b3o25b2o32b3ob2o$16bob2o27b2o3bo17bo13b2obo18b2o$15b2ob3o31bo11bo5b
3o7b3o3bo17b2o3bo$16b5o31bo9b3o8bo7b2o26bo11bo$47bo3bo9bo10b2o8bo26bo
9b3o$48b3o10b2o41bo3bo9bo$78bo8b2o16b3o10b2o$46b2o11bo17bobo7bo$47bo3b
o6b3o13b2o4bo3bo3b3o12b2o11bo$15b5o24b3o4bobo3b5o11bo5bo5bo4bo13bo3bo
6b3o$15b3ob2o23bo6b2o3b3ob2o11bo2b2o5b3o15b3o4bobo3b5o$2bo13b2obo37bo
2bo12b2obo15bo8bo6b2o3b3ob2o$2b3o7b3o3bo39b2o32b3o19bo2bo$5bo7b2o31bo
48bo19b2o$4b2o8bo30bo44bo3b2o7bo$45b3o40bobo11bo$10bo8b2o68b2o11b3o$9b
obo7bo53bob2o7bo$6b2o4bo3bo3b3o37b2o10b2o2bo6bobo21b2o$5bo5bo5bo4bo17b
o18bo2bo7bo5bo6bobo9bo11b2o8b2o$5bo2b2o5b3o22bobo15b2ob3o5bo4b2o6b2ob
2o9bo19bo2bo$5b2obo15bo15b2o16b5o7bobo10bo2bo7b3o18b2ob3o$24b3o32b3o9b
o9bo2b2o29b5o3bo$27bo32bo20b2obo2bob2o25b3o$o21bo3b2o7bo40b2o6bob2obob
o18bo6bo$20bobo11bo22b2o17bo4b2obo2bo3bo16b3o$21b2o11b3o21bo8b2ob2o5b
3o2bob2o2b2ob3o13bo6b2o$5bob2o7bo38b3o7bo2bobobo6bobo8bo3bo12b2o6bo$4b
2o2bo6bobo21b2o14bo9b2o4bo8bo9bobo2bo16b3o$2bo5bo6bobo9bo11b2o50b4o17b
o$bo4b2o6b2ob2o9bo23bo$2bobo10bo2bo7b3o23b3o38b4o$3bo9bo2b2o37bo22b2o
2b2o8bo3bo$13b2obo2bob2o19bo11b2o11b2o8b3o12b2o11bo2bo$8b2o6bob2obobo
16b3o24b2o15bo19bo4b2o$8bo4b2obo2bo3bo15bo35bobo27bo2b2o$9b3o2bob2o2b
2ob3o13b2o35b4obo2bo$11bobo8bo3bo50b3ob3o$12bo9bob2o$23bo2b3o14bo$21bo
bo2bo2bo12bo2bo58b2o$21b2o4b2o17bo56bo2bo$40bo5bo57b2o$40bo4b2o32b2o$
40bo39bo$39b4obo32b3o6bob2o17b2o$77bo6b3ob2o17bo$51bo3b2o26bo24b3o12bo
$50bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo10bobo$49bobo3bo12b2o16bobo33b2o$45b2obobo3bo13b
obo15bobo4b2o$45b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo$49bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$45b2ob2o
2bo2bobo33bo$46bobo2b2o3bo$34b2o10bobo$34b2o11bo!

#C pseudo period p56
x = 164, y = 63, rule = B3/S23
123b2o$31b2obo7bo$2b2o27bob2o7b3o76bo3bo$3bo41bo14bo60bo4bo$3bobo38b2o
12b3o62bobobo8bo$4b2o2b2o47bo66bobobo5b3o$8b2o47b2o66bo4bo2bo$37bo88bo
3bo2b2o$36b2o$35b2o19b2o69b2o2bo$36bo19b2o72bobo$37bob3o89b2o2b2o$39b
3o93b2o2$117b2o5b2o$118bo5b2o$118bobo$2b2o36b2o77b2o$bobo16b2o19bo81b
2o$bo18bobo15b3o81bobo$2o20bo15bo84bo$10b2o4b2o4b2o19b2o74bo40bo$10b2o
4bobo25bo73b3o39b2o$10b2o6bo22b3o73bob3o37b2obo$18b2o21bo74bo3bo37bo2b
3o$6b2o2bo104bo3bo15bo21bobobo$7b3o104b3obo14bobo20bobobo$8bo106b3o16b
2o18b3o2bo$2o114bo38bob2o$bo144b3o7b2o$o145bo6bo3bo$2o107bo37bo4bobo$
109b3o40b2o$112bo43b2o$64bobo44b2o43bobo$65b2o84b2o5bo$53bo11bo26bo42b
o15b2o5b2o$52b3o37b3o38b3o$51bo2b2o39bo23bo12bo13b2o$20bo21b2o38bo11b
2o11b2o9b6o8b2o10bo4bo$18b3o22bo6b2o28b3o24b2o8bo2b2ob2o19bo4bo$17bo
25bobo4b2o27bo36b2obo3b2o20b2ob2o$17b2o19b2o4b2o4b2o27b2o36bob4o$23bo
15bo20b2o2b2o54b2o$21b3o15bobo18bo4bo$20bo19b2o16bobo4bob2o$20b2o36b2o
6bo2bo74b2o$67b2o13bobo59b2o$82bo2bo58b2o$82bo2bo33b2o$83b2o35bo$20b3o
56b2o36b3o6bob2o17b2o$20b3obo54b2o36bo6b3ob2o17bo$4b2o19bo65bo3b2o26bo
24b3o12bo$4b2o19b2o63bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo10bobo$24b2o63bobo3bo12b2o16bo
bo33b2o$24bo60b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o$3b2o47b2o31b2obo2b4obo13bo16b
o6bo$4bo47b2o2b2o31bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o$b3o12b2o38bobo26b2ob2o2bo2bobo
33bo$bo14bo41bo27bobo2b2o3bo$17b3o7b2obo27b2o14b2o10bobo$19bo7bob2o43b
2o11bo!


Updated lists:

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Hall of Pain (p39 to p77)
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59 16324
41 15808
58 15040
62 14141
54 13770
51 13566
43 13065
42 12971
57 12017
73 11745
71 11385
39 11252
53 10752
56 10332
61 10332
49 10192
76 10044
55 9176
65 8976
63 8436

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Hall of the Insane (p14 to p38)
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17 143637
14 129745
19 106959
21 67575
27 53985
16 39999
38 38784
34 31104
28 30016
29 29145
31 22952
18 22750
35 21360
26 20400
32 17226
37 16800
33 16006
25 15762
15 4004
20 3080


EDIT: Trimmed one row off the p55.
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby Freywa » April 10th, 2015, 9:53 am

I think the idea of optimising guns according to bounding box is misguided; these guns are going to be placed far from the areas their gliders will work from and their bulk will not affect the important reactions. What I suggest is a parallel collection of glider guns with minimal population (to count this, ignore all gliders that have separated completely from the gun and are headed for an escape).
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Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Postby Scorbie » April 10th, 2015, 11:07 am

I also said sth similar and here's the response I got.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1600&p=16520&hilit=bounding+box#p16527
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