## Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

A P879+8n (based on the current P559). Takes P967 and a few others off the list:

`x = 88, y = 77, rule = B3/S2328b2o3b2o\$26b3obo2b2o\$25bo4bo\$25bo2b2ob4o\$24b2obobobo2bo\$25bobobobo\$25bobob2o46bo\$26bo48b3o\$74bo\$39b2o33b2o\$30b2o7bo46bo\$12bo17b2o5bobo23b2o7bo11b3o\$12b3o22b2o25bo7b2o9bo\$15bo48bobo4bobo9b2o\$14b2o49b2o\$72b2o\$72b3o7b2o\$3b2ob2o64bo9b2o\$3b2obo66b2o\$6bo20b2o\$6b3o4b2o13bo\$4b2o3bo3b2o10b3o19bo\$3bo2b4o15bo2b3o14b5o\$3b2obo15b2obobo2bo13bo5bo\$4bo2b3o12bobo2bo2bobo12b3o2bo\$4bo5bo13bobo4b2o15bob2o\$5b5o14b2o19b4o2bo\$7bo32b2o3bo3b2o\$40b2o4b3o20b2o\$48bo21bo\$48bob2o15b3o\$47b2ob2o15bo3\$39b2o\$39bo\$40b3o44bo\$42bo42bobo\$86b2o7\$77b2o\$77b2o\$68b2o\$68bo2bo\$4bo59b2o4b2o\$2b5o14b2o42bo20b2o\$bo5bo13bo2bo40bobo18bo\$bo2b3o12bobob2o30bo10b2o16bobo\$2obo15b2obo30b3o28b2o\$o2b4o15bo29bo\$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o14b2o11b2o\$3b3o4b2o13bo13bo\$3bo20b2o11bobo\$2obo32bobob2o\$2ob2o31bo2bo2bo\$35b2o3b2o\$55b2o\$11b2o42b2o\$12bo\$9b3o22b2o42b2o\$9bo17b2o5bobo41b2o2b2o\$27b2o7bo27bo3b2o12bobo\$36b2o25bobo3bo14bo\$62bobo3bo15b2o\$23bo34b2obobo3bo\$22bobob2o30b2obo2b4obo\$22bobobobo33bobo3bobo\$21b2obobobo2bo26b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$22bo2b2ob4o27bobo2b2o3bo\$22bo4bo19b2o10bobo\$23b3obo2b2o15b2o11bo\$25b2o3b2o!`
simeks

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

I just pushed a bunch of new commits. The new fixed guns I added are as follows:

- those from Kazyan's MunitionsDump
- those from simsim's GliderGunCollection
- p20 and p40 as indicated by Calcyman and Sokwe
- overclocked p74 and p75 syringe based guns
- some random pseudo-period guns of low period by me

Variable guns as follows:

p662 and p973 by simeks (EDIT: Also p879. Nice one!)
p708 and p853 by Dave Greene
EDIT2: Also made a p556 by Kazyan in to an official gun family

Thanks guys! The Hall of Shame is now:

`*******************************Hall of Shame (p100 or greater)*******************************551 (9295, 'p01038_8_p00551')        (7 mod 8)955 (9198, 'p00803_19')              (3 mod 8)947 (9125, 'p00803_18')              (3 mod 8)509 (9086, 'p00954_8_p00509')        (5 mod 8)471 (9045, 'p00870_9_p00471')        (7 mod 8)942 (9045, 'p00870_9')               (6 mod 8)543 (9024, 'p01038_6_p00543')        (7 mod 8)993 (8988, 'p00921_9')               (1 mod 8)931 (8979, 'p00803_16')              (3 mod 8)447 (8932, 'fixed')                  (7 mod 8)463 (8911, 'p00870_7_p00463')        (7 mod 8)926 (8911, 'p00870_7')               (6 mod 8)923 (8906, 'p00803_15')              (3 mod 8)985 (8904, 'p00921_8')               (1 mod 8)479 (8904, 'fixed')                  (7 mod 8)958 (8904, 'fixed')                  (6 mod 8)997 (8840, 'p00973_3')               (5 mod 8)977 (8820, 'p00921_7')               (1 mod 8)533 (8820, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)501 (8816, 'p00954_6_p00501')        (5 mod 8)`

dvgrn wrote:That's the most recent hacked Hersrch from a few years ago, right?

Yes it's from your website Hersrch-4Dec2012.zip.

dvgrn wrote:I decided to get a little more organized, and made the beginnings of a table of 90-degree timing adjusters

This is definitely a good idea. The number of times I have though "Wow, this like it's going to be a good gun" only to later realise that I have made an exact duplicate is quite embarrassing!

dvgrn wrote:It would be nice if the top row included more parity-changing turners besides the Snarks-only ones. The lack of those means that I'm mostly only getting even-period guns by modifying small odd-period guns, usually by swapping out three-Snark loops.

Yes, I remember getting this problem myself. In the end I started putting left hand conduits on the end of the syringe to find other colors/parities. The guns set records at the time I made them but I don't know if they have been surpassed since.

dvgrn wrote:The occasional improvement has popped up <a p708>

This one sets some records and also suggests quite a few record guns at sub-periods. The interesting thing is that, because of the asymmetry, the half-period variants in this family look like they will work at the optimal size without any glider collisions. Some work to do to prove that though.

dvgrn wrote: Are there small G-to-2Gs where the extra glider output was the wrong color, where we might try swapping in the two color-changing turners?

This is another frustration I encountered. What I consider to be the three most natural glider duplicators all have a "backwards" glider that is of the same color and parity:

`x = 163, y = 35, rule = B3/S232bo69bo49bo\$bobo67bobo47bobo\$bobo2b2o3bo59bobo2b2o3bo3bo35bobo2b2o3bo\$2ob2o2bo2bobo57b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o32b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$4bobo3bobo12b2o47bobo3bobo5bo35bobo3bobo\$2obo2b4obo13bo44b2obo2b4obo5b2o31b2obo2b4obo\$2obobo3bo13bobo44b2obobo3bo40b2obobo3bo\$4bobo3bo12b2o49bobo3bo43bobo3bo15b2o\$5bobo3bo63bobo3bo43bobo3bo14bo\$6bo3b2o33b2o29bo3b2o44bo3b2o12bobo\$31b2o12b2o93b2o2b2o\$32bo107b2o\$32bobo\$10bo22b2o45bo49bo\$8b3o67b3o47b3o\$8bobo67bobo47bobo21b2o\$8bo69bo49bo23b2o7b2o\$161bo\$51b2o46b2o58bobo\$51b2o46b2o58b2o3\$22b2o\$9b2o11b2o54b2o48b2o\$10bo66bobo47bobo\$7b3o41bo25bo49bo\$7bo42bobo23b2o48b2o23bo\$51bo98bobob2o\$148b3obobo\$147bo3bo4bo\$147b2o2bob4o\$41b2o97b2o10bo\$40bobo97b2o12bo\$40bo112b2o\$39b2o!`

EDIT: Added the p879 by simeks and edited the Hall of Shame above. Thanks!
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

A p907+8n (based on the current p571) to improve on p955:

`x = 90, y = 87, rule = B3/S2339b2o3b2o12b2o3b2o\$37b3obo2b2o12b2o2bob3o\$36bo4bo20bo4bo\$36bo2b2ob4o12b4ob2o2bo\$35b2obobobo2bo12bo2bobobob2o\$36bobobobo18bobobobo\$36bobob2o8bo2bo8b2obobo\$37bo12b4o12bo2\$50b4o\$41b2o7bo2bo7b2o\$41b2o5bobo2bobo5b2o17bo\$48b2o4b2o22b3o\$77bo\$77b2o3\$85b2ob2o\$86bob2o\$38b2o24b2o20bo\$39bo24bo13b2o4b3o\$36b3o26b3o10b2o3bo3b2o\$36bo30bo15b4o2bo\$67bob2o15bob2o\$65b2obobo12b3o2bo\$9bo55bo2bo13bo5bo\$9b3o55b2o14b5o\$12bo72bo\$11b2o3\$2ob2o\$2obo\$3bo\$3b3o4b2o\$b2o3bo3b2o\$o2b4o\$2obo15b2o\$bo2b3o12bobo\$bo5bo13bo\$2b5o14b2o\$4bo22bo\$25b3o\$24bo\$24b2o2\$73b2o\$73bobo\$38bo34bo\$38b3o\$41bo\$14b2o24b2o\$13bobo5b2o\$13bo7b2o\$12b2o15b2ob2o45bo\$29b2obo45bobo\$26bo5bo45bo2bo\$22b2obobo4b3o4b2o39bo\$21bobobobo2b2o3bo3b2o\$18bo2bobobobobo2b4o48b2o\$18b4ob2o2bo2bobo15b2o14b2o17bo2bo\$22bo4b2obo2b3o12bobo2b2o10bo17bobo\$18b2o2bob3o3bo5bo13bo2bo11bobo16bo\$18b2o3b2o3b2ob5o14b3o2bo10b2o12b3o\$29bo3bo19b3o24b2o\$27bobo22bo\$27b2o23b2o\$37b2o48b2o\$38bo48b2o\$38bob2o\$39bo2bo\$40b2o\$55b2o\$55b2o4\$64bo3b2o\$63bobo3bo\$62bobo3bo\$58b2obobo3bo\$58b2obo2b4obo5b2o\$62bobo3bobo5bo\$58b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o\$59bobo2b2o3bo3bo13bo\$47b2o10bobo26bo\$47b2o11bo25b3o!`
simeks

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Something off the top of the tentative-guns list -- p84 seems to need a slight area-increasing adjustment, but it still just squeaks by to displace the old fixed gun:

`#C p84 = p00708_6 with +1fd adjustment to left-hand loopx = 99, y = 70, rule = B3/S2363b2o\$63bobo\$65bo4b2o\$61b4ob2o2bo2bo\$61bo2bobobobob2o\$64bobobobo\$28b2o3b2o30b2obobo\$26b3obo2b2o34bo\$25bo4bo\$25bo2b2ob4o20b2o\$24b2obobobo2bo21bo\$25bobobobo24bobo\$25bobob2o26b2o\$26bo37b3o12bo\$79b3o\$39b2o23bo2bo14bo\$19bo10b2o7bo25b2o14bobo\$17b3o10b2o5bobo41bobo\$16bo20b2o43bo\$15bobo49b2o\$15bobo49bo\$16bo51b3o\$70bo\$97b2o\$85bo11b2o\$18bo8b2o55b3o\$2o15bo10bo54bo3bo\$2o15b3o5b3o55b2ob2o\$25bo11b3o37b2o\$37bo38bobo\$38bo37bo\$20b2o53b2o\$20bobo\$22bo22b2o\$22b2o22b2o44b2obo\$45bo46b2ob3o\$13bo84bo\$3bob2o5b4o76b2ob3o\$b3ob2o5bo3bo74bo2b2o\$o12bo2bo73bobo\$b3ob2o6b3o56bo9b3o4bobob2obo\$3b2o2bo64b3o7b3o5bo2bob2o\$6bobo66bo9b2o6bo\$2bob2obobo16bo47b2o5b3o2bo5b2o\$2b2obo2bo15b3o62bobo2b2o\$5bo17bo62bo2b2o2bo2bo\$5b2o16b2o56b2o3bo7b2o\$3b2o2bobo72bo2bo\$2bo2bo2b2o73bobo\$3b2o53b3o34b2o\$58bo36bo\$59bo33bobo\$93b2o2\$25bo41b2o\$24b3o39bo\$22b2o2b2o39bobo5b2o\$10b2o10b6o3b2o35bo6b2o\$10b2o4b3o3b2ob3o3b2o42bo\$17b2o3bo49b2o\$18b2obo49bo2bo\$9b2o8bo4bo46bobo\$10bo8bo52bo25bo\$7b3o10bo3bo54b2o15bobo\$7bo13bobo55b2o16b2o\$22b3o\$24b2o\$24bo\$25b3o\$27bo![[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 840 ]]`

And just by the way, p708+8N can really be p700+8N. (I knew I would regret posting those 90-degree turners one step out from their minimum welded configuration, but I did it anyway. My humblemost apologies.)

Conversely, here's a fixed gun that should get p471 permanently out of the Hall of Shame:

`x = 73, y = 66, rule = B3/S2333b2o3b2o\$33b2o2bob3o\$37bo4bo\$33b4ob2o2bo\$33bo2bobobob2o\$36bobobobo\$37b2obobo\$41bo2\$27b2o\$28bo7b2o\$28bobo5b2o\$29b2o3\$53bo\$53b3o\$56bo\$55bobo\$39b2o14bobo\$39bo16bo\$40b3o\$42bo3\$71b2o\$71b2o4\$51b2o\$50bobo\$50bo\$49b2o7b2o\$5bo52b2o\$5b3o\$8bo57b2obo\$7b2o57b2ob3o\$72bo\$66b2ob3o\$21b2o42bo2b2o\$21bo42bobo\$13bo5bobo24bo16bobob2obo\$12bobo4b2o25b3o15bo2bob2o\$11b2ob2o33bo17bo\$11b2o2bo11b2o19b2o16b2o\$12bob2o11bo15bo19bobo2b2o\$12b3o10bobo15b3o17b2o2bo2bo\$10b4o11b2o19bo21b2o\$8b2obob2o30b2o\$11bo\$2b2o5b2o4bo\$bobo9bobo\$bo\$2o\$42b2o\$42b2o17b2o\$61b2o3\$13b2o47b2o\$9b2o2b2o47bo\$8bobo38b2o12b3o\$8bo25bo15bo14bo\$7b2o26bo11b3o\$33b3o11bo!#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 1413 ]]`

Converted to adjustability with three Snarks, it doesn't seem to set any records, but five Snarks allow for a compact p863+8N with X and Y slack up to N=3, and Y slack up to N=11... though I'm not sure yet that the weld at N=1 is possible (?):

`x = 91, y = 82, rule = B3/S2328b2o\$27bobo\$21b2o4bo\$19bo2bo2b2ob4o\$19b2obobobobo2bo\$22bobobobo\$22bobob2o\$23bo2\$36b2o41bo\$27b2o7bo40b3o\$9bo17b2o5bobo39bo\$9b3o22b2o40b2o\$12bo\$11b2o46b2o\$60bo\$60bobo26bo\$3b2o56b2o11bo12b3o\$3bo70bobo9bo\$2obo20b2o18b2o27bo2bo9b2o\$o2b3o4b2o13bo18bo24b2o2b3o\$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o21bo21b6o\$3b4o15bo2b3o14b5o20bo4b3o2bo7b2o\$3bo15b2obobo2bo13bo26b2ob2obo10b2o\$4b3o12bobob2o2bobo12b3o24b3o4b2o\$7bo13bo6b2o15bo\$2b5o14bob2o17b4o\$2bo19bobo12b2o3bo3b2o\$4bo32b2o4b3o2bo18b2o\$3b2o40bob2o19bo\$45bo19b3o\$44b2o19bo3\$36b2o34b2o\$36bo36bo\$37b3o30b3o\$39bo30bo4\$6b2o\$7bo82bo\$5bo82bobo\$5b5o14b2o63b2o\$10bo13bo2bo\$7b3o12bobob2o\$6bo15b2obo\$6b4o15bo\$4b2o3bo3b2o10b3o\$3bo2b3o4b2o13bo\$3b2obo20b2o51b2o\$6bo64b2o7b2o\$6b2o64bo\$72bobo\$67b2o4b2o\$14b2o52bo20b2o\$15bo52bobo18bo\$12b3o22b2o19bo10b2o16bobo\$12bo17b2o5bobo16b3o28b2o\$30b2o7bo15bo\$39b2o14b2o\$41bo\$26bo14bo\$25bobob2o7b2obob2o\$25bobobobo7bo2bo2bo\$22b2obobobobo2bo2bobo3b2o\$22bo2bo2b2ob4o2b2o19b2o\$24b2o4bo27b2o\$30bobo\$31b2o48b2o\$81b2o2b2o\$67bo3b2o12bobo\$66bobo3bo14bo\$65bobo3bo15b2o\$61b2obobo3bo\$61b2obo2b4obo\$65bobo3bobo\$61b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$62bobo2b2o3bo\$50b2o10bobo\$50b2o11bo!#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 1726 ]]`

The fact that this wasn't already in the collection seems to imply that all the other syringe plus L conduit plus NW-output H-to-Gs haven't been tried yet. There are quite a few NW H-to-Gs. L156 has a different-color output than L112, so any NW lane output could be used. The L156 is eight cells taller, though, so maybe it won't actually set any records except for a few fixed loop guns.

Here's a silly new idea based on Guam's loaf-based 2G-to-G reflector, that just happened to barely improve a few guns:

`#C p765+8N, but only one cell of slackx = 111, y = 70, rule = B3/S2351b2o\$51b2o18b2o3b2o\$71b2o2bob3o\$75bo4bo\$42b2o27b4ob2o2bo\$43bo27bo2bobobob2o\$43bobo28bobobobo\$44b2o15b2o12b2obobo\$61b2o16bo2\$65b2o\$43b2o21bo7b2o\$43b2o7bo13bobo5b2o\$51bobo13b2o\$51bo2bo3b2o\$52b2o4bobo2b2o\$60bo2bo\$60b3o2bo\$63b3o\$62bo\$62b2o13b2o22bo\$77bo21b3o\$78b3o17bo\$80bo17b2o3\$106b2ob2o\$52b2o53bob2o\$51bobo5b2o46bo\$51bo7b2o38b2o4b3o\$50b2o47b2o3bo3b2o\$104b4o2bo\$15b2o47bo25b2o15bob2o\$8b2o5b2o43b2obobo23bobo12b3o2bo\$8b2o43b2o4bobobobo23bo13bo5bo\$44b2o7bo2bo2bobobobob2o19b2o14b5o\$44bo10b5ob2o2bo2bo37bo\$10b2o33bo14bo4b2o\$10b2o32b2o9b4obo\$4b2o48bo3b2o\$4b2o48b2o10b2o\$66bo\$64bobo\$64b2o10bo\$41b2o33b3o\$41b2o36bo\$19b2o57b2o\$18bobo72b2o\$20bo72bo\$90b2obo\$10bo78bo2bo\$2o8b2o78b2o\$bo7bobo63b2o\$bobo46b2o23b2o\$2b2o47bo\$48b3o\$48bo\$62b2o3bo\$62bo3bobo\$63bo3bobo\$64bo3bobob2o\$62bob4o2bob2o\$61bobo3bobo\$13b2o3b2o41bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$13bobobobo42bo3b2o2bobo\$15bobo52bobo10b2o\$7b2o4bobobobo51bo11b2o\$7bo5b2o3b2o28bo\$5bobo41bo\$5b2o40b3o!#C [[ AUTOSTART ZOOM 4 STEP 8 LOOP 1530 ]]`

Adding F171 instead of F117 shortened the gun quite a bit, but didn't set any records --

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`#C not-quite-competitive p703+8Nx = 92, y = 74, rule = B3/S2360bo11b2o\$59bobo10b2o\$51bo3b2o2bobo\$50bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$50bobo3bobo\$51bob4o2bob2o\$53bo3bobob2o\$52bo3bobo\$5b2o40bo3bo3bobo\$5bobo37b3o3b2o3bo\$7bo5b2o3b2o24bo\$7b2o4bobobobo24b2o\$15bobo\$13bobobobo44b2o\$13b2o3b2o44b2o\$79b2o\$78bo2bo\$79b2obo\$82bo\$82b2o\$67b2o\$68bo\$65b3o19bo\$2b2o48b2o11bo2b3o14b5o\$bobo48bo14bo2bo13bo5bo\$bo51b3o10b2o2bobo12b3o2bo\$2o53bo15b2o15bob2o\$85b4o2bo\$80b2o3bo3b2o\$48b2o30b2o4b3o\$48bobo37bo\$15bobo32bo37bob2o\$16b2o32b2o35b2ob2o\$16bo2\$26bo52b2o\$24bobo52bo\$4b2o19b2o53b3o\$4b2o76bo\$10b2o30b2o\$10b2o30bo\$43b3o\$45bo\$8b2o\$8b2o5b2o\$15b2o11\$56b2o\$56bo\$48b2o4bobo\$47bo2bo3b2o\$47bobo\$39b2o7bo\$39b2o3\$57b2o\$40b2o15b2o\$39bobo\$39bo\$38b2o2\$85bo\$47b2o37bo\$47b2o35b3o!#C [[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART ZOOM 5 STEP 8 HEIGHT 400 LOOP 1406 ]]`

If we use the spare glider output from the F171, plus one of the color-changing 90-degree turners I posted, we get some nice edge-shooters at period 8N and 8N+4, but again no records that I can see right off:

`x = 268, y = 69, rule = B3/S23234b2o3b2o\$234b2o2bob3o\$238bo4bo\$234b4ob2o2bo\$234bo2bobobob2o\$237bobobobo\$88b2o3b2o143b2obobo\$88b2o2bob3o145bo\$57bo11b2o21bo4bo99bo11b2o\$56bobo10b2o17b4ob2o2bo98bobo10b2o17b2o18bo\$48bo3b2o2bobo29bo2bobobob2o89bo3b2o2bobo30bo7b2o9b3o\$47bobo2bo2b2ob2o31bobobobo89bobo2bo2b2ob2o29bobo5b2o12bo\$47bobo3bobo36b2obobo89bobo3bobo34b2o18bobo\$48bob4o2bob2o36bo91bob4o2bob2o50bobo\$50bo3bobob2o130bo3bobob2o51bo\$49bo3bobo26b2o18bo86bo3bobo\$44bo3bo3bobo28bo7b2o9b3o79bo3bo3bobo\$42b3o3b2o3bo29bobo5b2o12bo76b3o3b2o3bo\$41bo42b2o18bobo74bo\$41b2o61bobo74b2o57b2o24b2o\$105bo134bo25b2o\$61b2o138b2o38b3o\$61b2o138b2o40bo\$76b2o138b2o\$75bo2bo136bo2bo27b2o\$76b2obo14b2o24b2o94b2obo25bobo\$79bo14bo25b2o97bo25bo\$79b2o14b3o121b2o23b2o7b2o\$10b2o52b2o31bo52b2o52b2o47b2o\$10b2o53bo84b2o53bo\$62b3o35b2o100b3o56b2obo\$49b2o11bo36bobo87b2o11bo58b2ob3o\$49bo49bo89bo77bo\$50b3o45b2o7b2o81b3o68b2ob3o\$52bo54b2o83bo67bo2b2o\$259bobo\$115b2obo122bo16bobob2obo\$45b2o68b2ob3o64b2o54b3o15bo2bob2o\$45bobo73bo63bobo56bo17bo\$47bo24b2o41b2ob3o66bo24b2o29b2o16b2o\$47b2o24b2o39bo2b2o68b2o24b2o43bobo2b2o\$72bo40bobo96bo45b2o2bo2bo\$95bo16bobob2obo116bo26b2o\$2o93b3o15bo2bob2o20b2o94b3o\$2o96bo17bo23b2o97bo\$59bo37b2o16b2o82bo38b2o\$57b3o52bobo2b2o78b3o\$39b2o15bo55b2o2bo2bo59b2o15bo\$21b2o16bo16b2o59b2o42b2o16bo16b2o\$21bobo16b3o118bobo16b3o\$23bo18bo120bo18bo73b2o\$23b2o138b2o91b2o3\$257b2o\$46b2o138b2o69bo\$45bobo5b2o55b2o73bobo5b2o37b2o24b3o\$45bo7b2o55b2o73bo7b2o36bobo26bo\$44b2o138b2o45bo\$93b2o135b2o\$58bo33bobo16b2o85bo\$54b2obobo32bo18bo82b2obobo47b2o\$53bobobobo31b2o19b3o78bobobobo47bo\$50bo2bobobob2o53bo75bo2bobobob2o47b3o\$50b4ob2o2bo42b2o86b4ob2o2bo50bo\$54bo4bo42bo91bo4bo\$18bo31b2o2bob3o44b3o52bo31b2o2bob3o\$19bo30b2o3b2o48bo53bo30b2o3b2o\$17b3o137b3o!#C [[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 1.75 HEIGHT 240 STOP 2000 ]]`

Is there a way to change a glider's color that doesn't need such a big loop and all that empty space?

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

A simple p894+8n that takes for example p942 and p447 off the list.
Note how the area decreases with n up to n=9 as the two halves align, and then the height toggles between 60 and 61 up to n=15.

`x = 119, y = 69, rule = B3/S2386b2o3b2o\$86b2o2bob3o\$90bo4bo\$86b4ob2o2bo\$86bo2bobobob2o\$89bobobobo\$90b2obobo\$94bo\$99bo\$18b2o60b2o17b3o\$18b2o61bo7b2o11bo\$81bobo5b2o10bobo\$59b2o3b2o16b2o17bobo\$57b3obo2b2o36bo\$56bo4bo\$56bo2b2ob4o\$55b2obobobo2bo\$56bobobobo\$56bobob2o55b2o\$3b2o52bo34b2o23b2o\$3b2o87bo\$70b2o21b3o\$61b2o7bo24bo\$61b2o5bobo24bob2o\$68b2o23b2obobo\$93bo2bo\$95b2o7b2o\$3b2o99b2o\$2bo2bo2b2o\$3b2o2bobo102b2obo\$5b2o16b2o87b2ob3o\$5bo17bo34b2o58bo\$2b2obo2bo15b3o32bo52b2ob3o\$2bob2obobo16bo29b3o52bo2b2o\$6bobo47bo5bo47bobo\$3b2o2bo52b3o29bo16bobob2obo\$b3ob2o52bo32b3o15bo2bob2o\$o58b2o34bo17bo\$b3ob2o87b2o16b2o\$3bob2o102bobo2b2o\$109b2o2bo2bo\$13b2o99b2o\$13b2o7b2o\$22bo2bo\$20bobob2o23b2o27b3o34b2o\$20b2obo24bobo5b2o20bo36bo\$23bo24bo7b2o21bo33bobo\$23b3o21b2o64b2o\$26bo\$2o23b2o34bo25b2o\$2o55b2obobo23bo\$56bobobobo24bobo5b2o\$53bo2bobobob2o24bo6b2o\$53b4ob2o2bo32bo\$57bo4bo29b2o\$16bo36b2o2bob3o29bo2bo\$15bobo17b2o16b2o3b2o31bobo\$15bobo10b2o5bobo54bo25bo\$16bo11b2o7bo61b2o15bobo\$17b3o17b2o60b2o16b2o\$19bo\$24bo\$23bobob2o\$23bobobobo\$22b2obobobo2bo\$23bo2b2ob4o\$23bo4bo\$24b3obo2b2o\$26b2o3b2o!`

By the way, I noticed that the welding in p541 can also be used in p531 and p532, bringing them down to p515+8n and p516+8n.
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Very slightly smaller p661 (also improves p669, p677, and p685):
`x = 89, y = 81, rule = B3/S2340b2o\$39bobo\$33b2o4bo\$31bo2bo2b2ob4o\$31b2obobobobo2bo\$34bobobobo16bo\$34bobob2o16bobo\$35bo20bobo\$55b2ob3o\$48b2o11bo\$39b2o7bo6b2ob3o\$39b2o5bobo6b2obo8b2o\$46b2o19bo\$65bobo\$65b2o13b2o\$80b2o3\$86b2o\$36b2o48b2o\$37bo7b2o35b2o\$34b3o7b2o36b2o\$34bo11bo\$9bo\$9b3o\$12bo74b2o\$11b2o74b2o3\$3b2o\$3bo\$2obo52b2o\$o2b3o4b2o38b2o4bo\$b2o3bo3b2o38b2o5b3o\$3b4o52bo\$3bo15b2o\$4b3o12bobo\$7bo13bo\$2b5o14b2o\$2bo\$4bo\$3b2o2\$65b2o21bo\$64bobo19bobo\$64bo22b2o\$63b2o5\$75b2o\$64bo10b2o\$64b3o\$55bo11bo14bob2o\$55b3o8b2o14b2obo\$58bo\$45bo11b2o\$43b3o\$42bo\$42b2o35b2o\$27b2o50b2o\$28bo\$28bob2o\$29bo2bo\$30b2o47b2obo\$45b2o32b2ob3o\$45b2o23b2o13bo\$70bo8b2ob3o\$71b3o6bobo\$73bo6bobo\$54bo3b2o21bo\$53bobo3bo\$52bobo3bo\$48b2obobo3bo\$48b2obo2b4obo\$52bobo3bobo\$48b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$49bobo2b2o3bo\$37b2o10bobo\$37b2o11bo!`

Here are some nearly trivial reductions of a few small guns:

Reduction of p208 by reorienting a semi-snark:
`x = 48, y = 35, rule = B3/S2334b2o8b2o\$26bo7bo9b2o\$25bobo4bobo\$11b3o12bo5b2o\$9bob3o22b2o6b3o\$8bobobo23b2o7b2o\$8bo2bo8bo21b2o\$b2o6b2o9bo21b3o\$bobo9b2o5bobo20bobo\$3b3o8b2o2bo4b2o19b2o\$2bo3bob2o4b2o2bo4b2o\$2b2obo5bo\$5bo5bo\$2b2obo5bo13bo18b2o\$2bo3bob2o15bobo15bo2bo\$3b3o11b2o6b2o15bobobo\$bobo8b2o3b2o22b3obo\$b2o9b2o14bo12b3o\$27bobo\$28bo\$4bo\$3bobo\$4bo4\$7b2o\$7b2o\$2b2o\$bobo\$bo\$2o13b2o\$15bo10bo\$8b2o6b3o8bo\$8b2o8bo6b3o19bo!`

Reduction of p288 by fusing a semi-snark to a p6:
`x = 50, y = 42, rule = B3/S2319b2o24b2o\$19b2o23bo2bo\$27b2o16bobo\$26bo2bo16bo\$27b2o14bo\$43b2o\$43b3o\$31b2o10b2o\$32b3o8bo\$30bo4bo\$7bo13bobo7b3o\$5b2obo11b2obo9b2o\$5b2obo11b3o\$6b2o\$37b2o\$3b2o12b2o17bo2bo\$3b2o12b2o18b2o\$45b2o\$45b2o2\$3bo14bo\$2bobo12bobo17b2o5b2o\$2bob2o2bo4bo2b2obo17b2o5bo\$2o2bo2b2o4b2o2bo2b2o4b2o14bobo\$bobo14bobo5b2o14b2o\$bob6o3bob5o2bo16b2o\$2bo5bo3b2obo3b3o16bobo\$3b3o12bo20bo\$5bo11bobo23bo\$18bo23b3o\$41b3obo\$42bo3bo\$43bo3bo\$21b2o21bob3o\$21b2o22b3o\$16b2o28bo\$15bobo31bo\$15bo\$14b2o13b2o\$29bo10bo\$22b2o6b3o8bo\$22b2o8bo6b3o!`

Reduction of p368 using a semi-snark:
`x = 45, y = 35, rule = B3/S238bo\$8b3o30bo\$11bo27b3o\$10b2o26bo\$4b2o25bo6b2o\$5bo24bobo\$5bobo23bo\$6b2o5bo\$12bobo21b2o\$11b2ob2o20b2o5b2o\$11b2o2b2o26b2o\$12bobo2bo\$13b2o3bo\$14b2obo8b2o\$16bo9b2o\$2o14bo\$bo6b2o6bo6b2o16b2o\$bobo5b3o5bo5b2o16bobo\$2b2o6bobo2b2o26bo\$10bobobo2bo25b2o\$15b2o2\$15bo\$14bobo\$10b3obo2bo\$10bo5bo\$11bo3bo28bo\$12bo2bo11b2o13bobo\$27bo15b2o\$28b3o\$30bo\$16b2o\$16bo\$17b3o\$19bo!`

Reduction of p376 by moving an eater:
`x = 61, y = 34, rule = B3/S2315bo7b2o3bo\$15b3o5b2o3b3o5b2o7bo\$8b2o8bo12bo4b2o5b3o\$9bo7b2o11b2o10bo8b2o\$9bobo30b2o7bo\$10b2o37bobo\$33bo15b2o\$5bo27bo\$5b3o18b2o5bo21bo\$8bo17bobobo22b3o\$7b2o17b3ob2o3b3o14bo\$29b2o13b2o6b2o\$14b3o16bo10b3o\$14b2o17bo12bo\$2b2ob2o7bobo16bo12b2o\$o2bob2o7bo32b2o5b2ob2o\$2obo11bob2o29bo5b2obo2bo\$3bo12b3o22b2o2b3o9bob2o\$3b2o37bob3o10bo\$b2o2bobo35b2o11b2o\$o2bo2b2o45bobo2b2o\$b2o16b2o32b2o2bo2bo\$19bo20b2o16b2o\$13b2o5b3o18bo\$13b2o7bo15b3o5b2o\$38bo7b2o4\$27bo\$22b3ob2o2b2o\$22b4o4b2o7bo\$26b2o12bo\$38b3o!`
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

A fixed p551 based on the p29 turner by Sokwe:

`x = 89, y = 72, rule = B3/S2326b2o3b2o\$24b3obo2b2o\$23bo4bo\$23bo2b2ob4o\$22b2obobobo2bo\$23bobobobo\$23bobob2o\$24bo\$19bo\$17b3o17b2o5b2o3b2o\$16bo11b2o7bo6b2o2bob3o\$15bobo10b2o5bobo10bo4bo\$15bobo17b2o7b4ob2o2bo\$16bo27bo2bobobob2o\$47bobobobo\$48b2obobo\$52bo2\$2o36b2o\$2o23b2o12bo7b2o\$26bo12bobo5b2o\$23b3o14b2o\$23bo\$20b2obo\$20bobob2o\$22bo2bo\$13b2o7b2o\$13b2o\$50b2o\$3bob2o43bo\$b3ob2o44b3o\$o38b3o11bo\$b3ob2o34bo\$3b2o2bo32bo29b2o5b2o\$6bobo61b2o5bo\$2bob2obobo16bo48bobo\$2b2obo2bo15b3o48b2o\$5bo17bo47b2o\$5b2o16b2o46bobo6bo\$3b2o2bobo62bo5b3o\$2bo2bo2b2o67bo\$3b2o67bo4b2o\$72bo\$72bo\$51b2o14bo7bo\$45bo5b2o13bobob2obobo4b2o\$44bobo19bo8bo4b2o\$45bo21bo\$52bo10b2o3bo3bobo\$10b2o19b2o18b3o5b2o2b2o7bo11b2o\$10b2o19b2o13bo3b2ob2o3bobo8bo7bo7bo\$45b3o3b3o5bo8bo4bobobo7bob2o\$44b2ob2o3bo14bo9bo6b2o2bo\$9b2o27b2o5b3o13b2o5b2o4bo6bo4b2o\$10bo27bo7bo14bo12bo6b5o\$7b3o25b2obo17b2o4b3o9bo4b2o4bo\$7bo21b2o4bo2b2o16bobo5bo15bo2b2o\$28bobo5b2o4bo15bo21bobo\$28bo9b5o8b2o5b2o15bo2bobobo\$27b2o9bo4b2o6b2o22b4ob2o\$26bo2b2o8b2o2bo35bo\$15b2o10b2o2bo9bobo33bobo\$15b2o13bo2bo7bobobo2bo28b2o\$27b2obob2o8b2ob4o\$27bo2bo13bo\$29b2o13bobo\$45b2o2\$18b2o\$19bo8bo\$16b3o10bo\$16bo10b3o!`
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

simeks wrote:A fixed p551 based on the p29 turner by Sokwe

Brilliant! I saw the factorisation 551 = 19 * 29 but I didn't know about that p29 turner. Congratulations.

I have just pushed 7 commits (hopefully) containing all of the proposals in the last couple of days. The most complicated changes were to deal with overhanging guns such as your p894. Please somebody shout if the numbers in those commits are incorrect.

This is the latest Hall of Shame. Only a couple of guns above 9,000 cells if I didn't make any mistakes.

`*******************************Hall of Shame (p100 or greater)*******************************509 (9086, 'p00906_14')              (5 mod 8)543 (9009, 'p00894_24')              (7 mod 8)993 (8988, 'p00921_9')               (1 mod 8)985 (8904, 'p00921_8')               (1 mod 8)997 (8840, 'p00973_3')               (5 mod 8)977 (8820, 'p00921_7')               (1 mod 8)533 (8820, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)501 (8816, 'p00906_12')              (5 mod 8)989 (8755, 'p00973_2')               (5 mod 8)517 (8742, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)969 (8736, 'p00921_6')               (1 mod 8)965 (8732, 'p00901_8')               (5 mod 8)653 (8712, 'p00541_14')              (5 mod 8)437 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)453 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)906 (8704, 'fixed')                  (2 mod 8)899 (8687, 'p00803_12')              (3 mod 8)957 (8673, 'p00901_7')               (5 mod 8)981 (8670, 'p00973_1')               (5 mod 8)461 (8662, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)`
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

chris_c wrote:This is the latest Hall of Shame. Only a couple of guns above 9,000 cells if I didn't make any mistakes.

If it turns out that you didn't make any mistakes, I'll be very impressed. Spot checks have all worked out so far.

Over three quarters of the old gun collection has been replaced by syringe-assisted variable guns already, and there are several fixed guns still left in the Hall of Shame. But now it looks to me like the most tempting targets are in the p14 to p77 range..!

Here are a couple of my initial attempts at bootstrapping and period-dividing a p124 Herschel conduit to get p62. Unsuccessful attempts -- no records here yet, to say the least:

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`x = 184, y = 242, rule = B3/S23127b2o\$127bobo\$129bo4b2o\$125b4ob2o2bo2bo\$125bo2bobobobob2o\$128bobobobo\$129b2obobo\$133bo2\$119b2o\$120bo7b2o\$120bobo5b2o\$121b2o2\$136bo\$137bo\$135b3o3\$131b2o\$131bo\$132b3o\$108b2o24bo\$109bo\$107bo\$107b5o14b2o\$112bo13bo\$109b3o12bobo\$108bo15b2o\$108b4o\$106b2o3bo3b2o\$105bo2b3o4b2o\$105b2obo\$108bo\$108b2o2\$125b3o\$116b2o7bo\$117bo8bo\$114b3o\$114bo5\$167bo\$168bo\$82b2o11bo70b3o\$82b2o10bobo\$94bobo2b2o3bo\$93b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$97bobo3bobo12b2o63bo\$93b2obo2b4obo13bo62b3o\$93b2obobo3bo13bobo61bo\$97bobo3bo12b2o62b2o\$37b2o11bo47bobo3bo\$37b2o10bobo47bo3b2o\$49bobo2b2o3bo65bo42bo\$48b2ob2o2bo2bobo64b3o38b3o\$52bobo3bobo38b2o27bo36bo\$48b2obo2b4obo30b2o7bobo25b2o11b2o11bo11b2o\$48b2obobo3bo32b2o7bo40b2o9bob2o28bo\$52bobo3bo16b2o7b2o24bo39b2obo27bobo\$53bobo3bo14bo2bo5bobo23b3o40bo29b2o\$54bo3b2o13bob2o8bo19b2obobobo\$42b2o29bo31b2obo3b2o\$45b2o24b3o32bo2bob2o\$42bo2b3o22bo16b2o15bob2ob2o66b2o\$43b2obobo21b2o15bo19b4o65bo2bo\$44b2o2b2o38b3o11bo3b3o6b2o60b2o\$30b2o13b4o41bo11bo12b2o35b2o\$29bo2bo12b3o55bo49bo\$28bob2o68b3o47b3o6bob2o17b2o\$28bo71bo49bo6b3ob2o17bo\$27b2o127bo24b3o\$42b2o113b3ob2o20bo\$42bo35b2o61b2o16bobo\$43b3o32b2o61bobo15bobo\$45bo11b2o84bo16bo10b2o\$58bo84b2o26bo\$55b3o8b2o104b3o\$55bo11bo44bobo59bo\$64b3o45b2o\$26bo37bo10bo37bo\$26b2o45b3o\$25bobo44bo11bo\$72b2o8b3o\$81bo\$81b2o11bo\$60b2o32b3o\$60b2o35bo\$96b2o\$111b2o\$39bo71bo\$37b3o68b2obo\$36bo55b3o12bo2bo\$23b2o12bo11bo41b4o13b2o\$23b2o6b3o3bo11b3o38b2o2b2o\$29b4o19bo15b2o21bobob2o\$29b2ob2obo15b2o16bo22b3o2bo\$2bo24b2obo2bo32b3o24b2o\$bobo22b2o3bob2o31bo29b2o\$bobo23bobobob2o19bo8b2obo13b2o3bo\$2bo25b3o23bobo5bo2bo14bo3bobo\$29bo24b2o7b2o16bo3bobo\$40bo7b2o32bo3bobob2o\$38bobo7b2o30bob4o2bob2o\$39b2o38bobo3bobo\$79bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$80bo3b2o2bobo\$35b2o3bo47bobo10b2o\$35bo3bobo47bo11b2o\$22b2o12bo3bobo\$21bobo13bo3bobob2o\$21bo13bob4o2bob2o\$20b2o12bobo3bobo\$34bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$35bo3b2o2bobo\$43bobo10b2o\$44bo11b2o11\$158bo\$156b3o\$68b2o11bo73bo26b2o\$68b2o10bobo61bo10b2o24bobo\$80bobo2b2o3bo52bobo37bo\$79b2ob2o2bo2bobo51bobo\$83bobo3bobo49b3ob2o20bo\$79b2obo2b4obo3bo9bo35bo24b3o\$79b2obobo3bo5b3o5b3o29bo6b3ob2o17bo\$83bobo3bo7bo3bo13b2o17b3o6bob2o17b2o\$84bobo3bo5b2o3b2o13bo20bo14bo\$85bo3b2o24bo20b2o15bo\$74bo40b2o36b2o6b2o\$72b2o78bo7bo2bo\$75bobo70bo3bo8b2o\$76b3o70b2o\$77bo75bobo\$61b2o91b2o\$60bo2bo50bo3b2o34bo11b3o\$59bob2o40bo4b2o4b2o2b2o48bo\$59bo44b2o9b2o50bo\$58b2o54b2o33b2o23bo\$73b2o74bo22b3o\$73bo76b3o18bo\$74b3o75bo18b2o\$76bo10b2o\$86bobo11b2o6bo\$86bo13b2o6b3o68b2o\$85b2o24bo13bo54bo\$110b2o12bo55bob2o\$124b3o45b2o4b3o2bo\$172b2o3bo3b2o\$55bo121b4o\$55b2o106b2o15bo\$54bobo105bobo12b3o\$162bo13bo\$161b2o14b5o\$181bo\$179bo\$179b2o2\$98bo\$98b3o\$101bo\$100b2o2\$158bobo\$92b2o64b2o\$92bo66bo\$89b2obo42b3o\$89bo2b3o4b2o36bo\$90b2o3bo3b2o35bo\$92b4o\$92bo15b2o\$93b3o12bobo\$96bo13bo\$91b5o14b2o\$91bo\$93bo12bo\$92b2o13bo10bo\$105b3o8b3o\$115bo\$115b2o\$24bo\$24b2o\$23bobo4\$105b2o\$104bobo5b2o\$104bo7b2o\$3b2o98b2o\$4bo\$2bo114bo\$2b5o14b2o90b2obobo\$7bo13bo90bobobobo\$4b3o12bobo87bo2bobobobob2o5bobo\$3bo15b2o88b4ob2o2bo2bo5b2o\$3b4o106bo4b2o8bo\$b2o3bo3b2o99bobo\$o2b3o4b2o99b2o\$2obo53bo14b2o\$3bo51b3o14bo24b2o\$3b2o49bo18b3o6b2o13bo\$54b2o19bo6b2o11bobo\$95b2o10bo\$11b2o18bo75b3o\$12bo18b3o76bo\$9b3o22bo74b2o\$9bo23b2o33b2o54b2o\$67b2o9b2o44bo\$64b2o2b2o4b2o4bo40b2obo\$29bo34b2o3bo50bo2bo\$28b2o91b2o\$28bobo75bo\$33b2o70b3o\$21b2o8bo3bo70bobo\$20bo2bo7bo78b2o\$21b2o6b2o36b2o40bo\$30bo15b2o20bo24b2o3bo\$31bo14bo20bo13b2o3b2o5bo3bobo\$18b2o17b2obo6b3o17b2o13bo3bo7bo3bobo\$19bo17b2ob3o6bo29b3o5b3o5bo3bobob2o\$16b3o24bo35bo9bo3bob4o2bob2o\$16bo20b2ob3o49bobo3bobo\$2b2o34bobo51bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$3bo34bobo52bo3b2o2bobo\$3o24b2o10bo61bobo10b2o\$o27bo73bo11b2o\$25b3o\$25bo![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 X -55 ZOOM 1.9 LOOP 6200 ]]`

Seems as if a lot of the easy symmetrical doubled conduits, like the above oversized efforts, are going to be beaten eventually by asymmetrical custom "bootstrap loops" -- short chunks of Herschel track that feed on their own output gliders and produce Herschel factories of various periods, usually fixed periods.

So for p14 through p77 it looks like it may be useful to know not just the smallest guns, but also small Herschel factories of various shapes, for attaching to edge shooters and period dividers.

Would a walkthrough of a Hersrch search for these things be useful to anyone -- let's say just a sample using whatever period I decide to try first? (Probably p62: now I'm curious.) Or is Hersrch already familiar territory for everyone who is likely to try their hand at gun-building?

Watch out for these period/2 attachments, though. They're deceptively troublesome, and seem to enjoy taking up a lot of space. They can be set up to halve any period of the form 8N+4, I believe... but not always with a reasonable loop length.

EDIT:Well, the straightforward search approach with Hersrch doesn't seem to turn up anything better than this, which is a few thousand cells short of a record:

`x = 270, y = 141, rule = B3/S23135b2o\$135bobo\$137bo4b2o\$133b4ob2o2bo2bo\$133bo2bobobobob2o\$50bo85bobobobo\$50b3o84b2obobo\$53bo87bo\$52b2o\$65bo61b2o\$63b3o62bo7b2o\$62bo65bobo5b2o\$62b2o65b2o\$94b2o\$57bo36b2o\$36bo11b2o6bobo17b2ob2o\$34b3o11b2o5b2obo16bobobobo\$33bo22b2o17bo3bobo\$33b2o38bobo2bo2bob2o\$73b2o3bobo2b2o4bo49b2o\$10bo19bo20bo3bobo8bo10b2ob2o8bo48bo\$10b3o17b2o18b4o11bobo17b2o42b2o9b3o\$13bo15bobo18bo7b2o5bo2bo16bo4bo25b2o10bobo11bo\$3b2o7b2o44b3obo5bo16bo2bo28bo12bo\$4bo47bo4bo3b2obo3bo17b3o2bo23bo\$4bobo8bo27b2o8bo3bo4bo4bo22bo24b5o14b2o\$5b2o7b3o26b2o9bo3bo4bo7b2o18bo28bo13bo\$13bo2b2o36bo16b2o44b3o12bobo\$12b2o3b2obo33bo2bo43b2o13bo15b2o\$13bobo2b2o3bo30b3o43bo2bo12b4o\$14b2o3bob2obo76b2obo9b2o3bo3b2o35bo\$22bobo34b2o43bo8bo2b3o4b2o33bobo\$23b3o20b2o12b2o42b2o7b2obo42b2o\$bo23b2o20bo10b3o28b2o25bo\$obo22bo20bo11bo31bo25b2o\$bo14b2o8b3o17b2o39b3o\$16bo11bo58bo\$17b3o104b2o\$19bo105bo\$122b3o\$3b2o117bo\$2bobo\$2bo\$b2o\$17b2obo\$17bob2o2\$10b2o99b2o\$10b2o98b2o\$112bo2\$93bo42bo12b2o40bo\$74bo18b3o38b3o12bobo37b3o\$74b3o19bo36bo15bo38bo\$77bo17b2o11b2o23b2o53b2o\$2o74b2o30b2o\$bo67bo\$bobo65b3o104bo\$2b2o68bo101b3o\$71b2o62b3o35bo\$96b2o36b5o34b2o\$93bob4o35b2o2b2o51bo\$10bo57b2o22b2obo3b2o36b2o3b2o45bobo\$8b4o57bo23bo2b2ob2o41b2o46b2o\$8b4o57bobo22b6o19b2o56b2o\$70b2o23bo22bobo57b2o\$118bo54b2o2bo\$8b4o66b2o37b2o10b2o42b2o2bo7b2o\$8b3o53bo12bo2bo14b2o33bo42b2o9bo2bo\$9bo35b2o17b3o10bob2o10bo3b2o30b3o9b2o34b3o7b2o\$46bo20bo22bobo16b2o16bo11bo20b2o13b3o\$45bo20b2o7bo13bobo17bobo28bo20bo\$45b2o29bo12bo21bo27b2o17b3o6bob2o17b2o\$36b2o39bo10b2o21b2o45bo6b3ob2o17bo\$36bobo37b2o86bo24b3o\$3b2ob2o30bo126b3ob2o20bo\$4bobo160bobo36bo\$3bo2bobo30bo127bobo37bo\$3b2o2b2o25bo13b2o118bo10b2o24b3o\$33b2o5b2o6b2o129bo\$32bo8bo138b3o\$34bobo4bo140bo\$5b2obo22bo2bo3b3o\$5bob2o22b2o2bo38b2o3bo\$33b3o39bo4b2o\$34bo37b3o3b2o\$58b2o12bo7bo\$9b2o48bo\$8bobo12b2o31b3o\$8bo14b2o31bo\$7b2o17\$237bo\$238bo\$236b3o\$240b2o\$240bo\$241b3o\$243bo25\$268bo\$269bo\$267b3o![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 X 35 ZOOM 2 HEIGHT 300 LOOP 3100 ]]`

Hersrch's problem is that the search space is very limited -- the Herschel has to get to a particular diagonal at a particular time (mod 124). So there are only two degrees of freedom, and the time one is kind of sparse.

Quite possibly adding a Snark reflection in the bootstrap glider stream would add a third degree of freedom and increase the odds of a lucky fit.

Really it looks as if Hersrch will have a much harder time finding optimal solutions nowadays. Often the optimal solution will involve two or three syringes and/or Snarks, with one degree of freedom for each.

It's possible to set up the equations in Hersrch for any specific arrangement of syringes and Snarks, but Hersrch doesn't know how to search through all the possible compact arrangements for you.

EDIT: Known variable-gun Herschel factories produce about the same results so far, thanks to the awkward geometry of the period divider:

`x = 184, y = 89, rule = B3/S23127b2o\$127bobo\$129bo4b2o\$125b4ob2o2bo2bo\$125bo2bobobobob2o\$128bobobobo\$129b2obobo\$133bo2\$119b2o\$120bo7b2o\$120bobo5b2o\$121b2o7\$131b2o\$131bo\$28b2o3b2o86b2o9b3o\$26b3obo2b2o73b2o10bobo11bo\$25bo4bo78bo12bo\$25bo2b2ob4o28b2o11bo30bo\$24b2obobobo2bo28b2o10bobo29b5o14b2o\$25bobobobo43bobo2b2o3bo26bo13bo\$25bobob2o43b2ob2o2bo2bobo22b3o12bobo\$26bo51bobo3bobo21bo15b2o\$74b2obo2b4obo22b4o\$39b2o33b2obobo3bo22b2o3bo3b2o35bo\$19bo10b2o7bo38bobo3bo20bo2b3o4b2o33bobo\$17b3o10b2o5bobo39bobo3bo3bo6bo8b2obo42b2o\$16bo20b2o41bo3b2o3b3o4bobo9bo\$15bobo74bo2bobo10b2o\$15bobo50b4obo17b2o4bo\$16bo52bo\$69bo4b2o40b2o\$69bo5bo41bo\$56b2o17bo38b3o\$27b2o26bo2bo12bo2bo39bo\$2o26bo25bob2o14bo\$2o23b3o26bo\$25bo27b2o\$12b3o53b2o\$12bobo53bo36b2o\$12bobo5b2o47b3o34bo\$20bobo19b2o27bo11b2o21bobo\$22bo18b2o41bo22bobo\$22b2o19bo37b3o24bo3b2o\$81bo12b2o2b3o11b2o\$93bo2b2o30bo12b2o40bo\$3bob2o45b2o39bo5bo26b3o12bobo37b3o\$b3ob2o44bobo33b2o5b3o28bo15bo38bo\$o52bo32bobo36b2o53b2o\$b3ob2o79bo10b2o\$3b2o2bo77b2o10b2o\$6bobo159bo\$2bob2obobo16bo139b3o\$2b2obo2bo15b3o100b3o35bo\$5bo17bo102b5o34b2o\$5b2o16b2o101b2o2b2o51bo\$3b2o2bobo119b2o3b2o45bobo\$2bo2bo2b2o83b2o39b2o46b2o\$3b2o26bo62bo16b2o56b2o\$29b3o59b3o16bobo57b2o\$28bo40bo21bo18bo54b2o2bo\$20b2o6b2o39b3o37b2o10b2o42b2o2bo7b2o\$72bo49bo42b2o9bo2bo\$71b2o46b3o9b2o34b3o7b2o\$13b2o104bo11bo20b2o13b3o\$15bo5b2o109bo20bo\$10b2o9bobo49b2o56b2o17b3o6bob2o17b2o\$10bo12bo48bo2bo74bo6b3ob2o17bo\$17b4o2bo132bo24b3o\$9bo3bo4bobobo50b3o81b3ob2o20bo\$9bo10b2o59b2o76bobo\$10bo70bobo75bobo\$7b3o24b2o47bo76bo10b2o\$7bo26bobo46b2o86bo\$36bo135b3o\$36b2o32bo103bo\$69bobob2o\$19b2o48bobobobo\$20bo47b2obobobo2bo\$17b3o49bo2b2ob4o\$17bo51bo4bo\$70b3obo2b2o\$72b2o3b2o![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 X -10 Y -10 ZOOM 2 HEIGHT 300 LOOP 3100 ]]`

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

I was surprised to find that the syringe catalyst can be adapted to allow an Fx119 to be attached. This allows various small guns to be trivially turned into, um, not-so-small Herschel factories.

With any luck someone will come up with a better use for the Fx119 connection than these:

`#C three Herschel factories and an oversized gun using syringe+Fx119x = 340, y = 171, rule = B3/S2368b2o\$67bobo122bo\$61b2o4bo124b3o\$59bo2bo2b2ob4o123bo\$59b2obobobobo2bo122b2o\$62bobobobo114bo\$62bobob2o115b3o19b2o32b2o\$63bo122bo18bo32bobo\$185b2o16bobo26b2o4bo\$76b2o125b2o25bo2bo2b2ob4o\$67b2o7bo153b2obobobobo2bo\$67b2o5bobo109b2o45bobobobo\$74b2o110b2o45bobob2o\$234bo2\$247b2o\$238b2o7bo\$238b2o5bobo\$245b2o\$64b2o\$65bo113b2o\$62b3o113bo2bo2b2o\$38bo23bo116b2o2bobo\$38b3o140b2o16b2o\$41bo139bo17bo\$40b2o136b2obo2bo15b3o32b2o\$178bob2obobo16bo33bo\$182bobo48b3o\$32b2o145b2o2bo49bo\$32bo144b3ob2o\$29b2obo143bo\$29bo2b3o4b2o136b3ob2o58b2o\$30b2o3bo3b2o138bob2o59bo\$32b4o203b3o\$32bo15b2o14b2o123b2o48bo4b2o6b2o\$33b3o12bobo2b2o10bo123b2o7b2o45bo6bobo4b2o\$36bo13bo2bo11bobo130bo46bobo4bo6b2o\$31b5o14b3o2bo10b2o128bobo36bo10b2o\$31bo21b3o56bo83b2o35b3o56bo\$33bo18bo57b3o119bo57b3o\$32b2o18b2o55bo90bo31b2o55bo\$37b2o48b2o20b2o89b3o14b2o47b2o21b2o\$38bo48b2o8bo78b2o25bo14bo47b2o9bo\$38bob2o55b3o76b2o24b2o14bob2o55b3o\$39bo2bo57bo118bo2bo57bo\$40b2o57b2o119b2o57b2o\$50b3o182b2o\$50bo184b2o\$50b3o33b2o25b2o11bo65bo100b2o11bo\$85bo2bo24b2o11b3o62bobo99b2o11b3o\$85bobo41bo61bobo18b2o95bo\$64bo3b2o16bo41b2o62bo12b2o5bobo29bo3b2o58b2o\$63bobo3bo123b3o9b2o7bo28bobo3bo\$62bobo3bo126bo18b2o26bobo3bo\$58b2obobo3bo170b2obobo3bo\$58b2obo2b4obo131bo36b2obo2b4obo\$62bobo3bobo66bo62bobob2o36bobo3bobo66bo\$58b2ob2obobo2bo65b3o62bobobobo31b2ob2obobo2bo65b3o\$59bobo2bob3o49b2o15bobo61b2obobobo2bo29bobo2bob3o49b2o15bobo\$47b2o10bobo2bo10b2o13b2o26b2o15bo64bo2b2ob4o17b2o10bobo2bo10b2o13b2o26b2o15bo\$47b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o13b2o54bo53bo4bo21b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o13b2o54bo\$66bo3b2o73bobo53b3obo2b2o36bo3b2o73bobo\$64bo80bobo55b2o3b2o34bo80bobo\$64b2o80bo97b2o80bo\$69b2o178b2o\$70bo4b2o38b2o133bo4b2o38b2o\$67b3o5b2o38bo131b3o5b2o38bo\$67bo48bo130bo48bo\$115b2o178b2o23\$192bo\$192b3o\$195bo\$47bo146b2o\$38b2o5b3o135bo\$38b2o4bo138b3o19b2o32b2o\$44b2o140bo18bo32bobo\$49b2o134b2o16bobo26b2o4bo\$50bo152b2o25bo2bo2b2ob4o\$43b2o3bo181b2obobobobo2bo\$23b2o13b2o3b2o3b2o4bo11b2o118b2o45bobobobo\$23b2o13b2o10bo2bobo10b2o118b2o45bobob2o\$46b3obo2bobo178bo\$45bo2bobob2ob2o\$44bobo3bobo194b2o\$45bob4o2bob2o181b2o7bo\$47bo3bobob2o181b2o5bobo\$46bo3bobo192b2o\$45bo3bobo286b2o\$2b2o41b2o3bo128b2o157bo\$bobo174bo2bo2b2o150bobo\$bo177b2o2bobo150b2o\$2o179b2o16b2o\$58b2o121bo17bo\$58b2o118b2obo2bo15b3o32b2o\$73b2o103bob2obobo16bo33bo\$9b2o61bo2bo106bobo48b3o\$9b2o62b2obo102b2o2bo49bo\$27b2o47bo100b3ob2o\$27b2o47b2o98bo\$61b2o114b3ob2o58b2o\$62bo116bob2o59bo\$59b3o177b3o\$47b2o10bo4b2o6b2o115b2o48bo4b2o6b2o\$34b2o11bobo15bo6bobo4b2o108b2o7b2o45bo6bobo4b2o\$34b2o13bo15bobo4bo6b2o117bo46bobo4bo6b2o\$49b2o4bo10b2o128bobo36bo10b2o\$53b3o56bo83b2o35b3o\$52bo57b3o119bo\$52b2o55bo90bo31b2o\$37b2o47b2o21b2o89b3o14b2o47b2o23bo\$38bo47b2o9bo78b2o25bo14bo47b2o21b3o\$38bob2o55b3o76b2o24b2o14bob2o66bo\$39bo2bo57bo118bo2bo55b2o8b2o\$40b2o57b2o119b2o57bo\$55b2o178b2o42bobo\$55b2o178b2o43b2o\$113b2o11bo65bo101b2o\$113b2o11b3o62bobo100b2o\$129bo61bobo18b2o\$64bo3b2o58b2o62bo12b2o5bobo29bo3b2o\$63bobo3bo123b3o9b2o7bo28bobo3bo\$62bobo3bo126bo18b2o26bobo3bo45b2o\$58b2obobo3bo170b2obobo3bo46b2o\$58b2obo2b4obo131bo36b2obo2b4obo\$62bobo3bobo66bo62bobob2o36bobo3bobo\$58b2ob2obobo2bo65b3o62bobobobo31b2ob2obobo2bo\$59bobo2bob3o49b2o15bobo61b2obobobo2bo29bobo2bob3o\$47b2o10bobo2bo10b2o13b2o26b2o15bo64bo2b2ob4o17b2o10bobo2bo10b2o13b2o\$47b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o13b2o54bo53bo4bo21b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o13b2o\$66bo3b2o73bobo53b3obo2b2o36bo3b2o\$64bo80bobo55b2o3b2o34bo\$64b2o80bo97b2o47b2o\$69b2o178b2o41bobo\$70bo4b2o38b2o133bo4b2o37bo\$67b3o5b2o38bo131b3o5b2o\$67bo48bo130bo\$115b2o11\$279b2o\$279b2o![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 1.4 X 4 HEIGHT 320 ]]`

The problem is that one of the above non-standard Fx119 variants has to be used. The standard Fx119 puts out a second SW glider 8fd from the first natural glider. The syringe catalyst has an eater head sticking out in exactly the right place, and it looks like it's designed to take care of it... but it can't. That second SW glider has to be suppressed.

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

chris_c wrote:Congratulations.

Well, thanks! When I saw the factorization and found that turner after searching the forum for "p29" I just had to try to build something from it...

chris_c wrote:The most complicated changes were to deal with overhanging guns such as your p894.

I didn't expect the p894 to improve on the p543, but after moving things around in it I realized it doesn't grow in height as quickly as I thought, so I got the same result!

dvgrn wrote:Or is Hersrch already familiar territory for everyone who is likely to try their hand at gun-building?

I've read about it, of course, but I haven't actually tried it out yet. A walkthrough would be really nice!

Here's a new p969 to get the current 1 mod 8s off the list:

`x = 105, y = 79, rule = B3/S2326b2o3b2o\$24b3obo2b2o\$23bo4bo22b2o3b2o\$23bo2b2ob4o18b2o2bob3o\$22b2obobobo2bo22bo4bo\$23bobobobo21b4ob2o2bo\$23bobob2o22bo2bobobob2o\$24bo29bobobobo\$19bo35b2obobo\$17b3o17b2o20bo\$16bo11b2o7bo\$15bobo10b2o5bobo7b2o\$15bobo17b2o9bo7b2o\$16bo29bobo5b2o17bo\$47b2o22b3o\$70bo\$70b2o2\$2o\$2o23b2o51b2ob2o\$26bo52bob2o\$23b3o31b2o20bo\$23bo33bo13b2o4b3o\$20b2obo34b3o10b2o3bo3b2o\$20bobob2o20b3o11bo15b4o2bo\$22bo2bo22bo11bob2o15bob2o\$13b2o7b2o23bo10b2obobo12b3o2bo\$13b2o43bo2bo13bo5bo\$60b2o14b5o3b2o\$3bob2o73bobo2bo\$b3ob2o66b2o3bo3b3o\$o72b2o2bob3o\$b3ob2o70bo4bo\$3b2o2bo65b4ob2o2bo\$6bobo64bo2bobobob2o\$2bob2obobo16bo49bobobobo\$2b2obo2bo15b3o50b2obobo\$5bo17bo57bo\$5b2o16b2o18bo\$3b2o2bobo33b3o21b2o\$2bo2bo2b2o36bo21bo7b2o\$3b2o40b2o21bobo5b2o17bo\$69b2o22b3o\$92bo\$34b2ob2o53b2o\$34b2obo\$37bo\$37b3o4b2o54b2ob2o\$35b2o3bo3b2o55bob2o\$10b2o19b2obo2b4o38b2o20bo\$10b2o19b2ob2obo15b2o24bo13b2o4b3o\$35bo2b3o12bobo2b2o20b3o10b2o3bo3b2o\$35bo5bo13bo2bo23bo15b4o2bo\$9b2o25b5o14b3o2bo21bob2o15bob2o\$10bo27bo19b3o19b2obobo12b3o2bo\$7b3o47bo21bo3bo13bo5bo\$7bo21b2o26b2o19bo2b3o14b5o\$28bobo47b3o19bo\$28bo52bo\$27b2o51b2o\$26bo2b2o\$15b2o10b2o2bo\$15b2o13bo2bo\$27b2obob2o13b2o\$27bo2bo15bobo5b2o\$29b2o15bo7b2o\$45b2o43b2o\$83b2o5bobo\$18b2o39bo23b2o7bo\$19bo35b2obobo31b2o\$16b3o35bobobobo\$16bo34bo2bobobob2o17bo\$51b4ob2o2bo17bobob2o\$55bo4bo17bobobobo\$51b2o2bob3o17b2obobobo2bo\$51b2o3b2o20bo2b2ob4o\$35bo42bo4bo\$36bo42b3obo2b2o\$34b3o44b2o3b2o!`

EDIT: Had a go at a low-period gun too - this is a simple p71:

`x = 207, y = 55, rule = B3/S2328b2o11bo118b2o11bo\$28b2o10bobo117b2o10bobo\$40bobo2b2o3bo121bobo2b2o3bo\$39b2ob2o2bo2bobo119b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$43bobo3bobo123bobo3bobo\$39b2obo2b4obo59bo11b2o47b2obo2b4obo\$39b2obobo3bo60bobo10b2o47b2obobo3bo\$43bobo3bo15b2o34bo3b2o2bobo63bobo3bo15b2o\$44bobo3bo14bo26b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o63bobo3bo14bo\$45bo3b2o12bobo26b2o6bobo3bobo68bo3b2o12bobo\$59b2o2b2o36bob4o2bob2o78b2o2b2o\$59b2o42bo3bobob2o78b2o\$102bo3bobo\$36b2o63bo3bobo60b2o\$36b2o63b2o3bo61b2o\$21b2o23bo24b2o80b2o24b2o\$20bo2bo23b3o21b2o7b2o70bo2bo23b3o\$19bob2o27bob2o26bo27b3o3bo36bob2o24bo4b2o\$19bo28bo4bo24bobo25b5o2bobo35bo29b2o2bo\$18b2o30b3o25b2o25b2o8bo34b2o31b2o\$33b2o71b2o4b3o14b2o34b2o16bo21b2o\$33bo73bo3b2o15bo2bo33bo39b2o\$14b2o18b3o92b3o5bo8b2o18b3o\$14b2o6b2o12bo10b2o33b2o50bobobo7b2o6b2o12bo10b2o\$21bobo22bobo33b2o47b4obo2bo15b2o21bobo\$23bo22bo70b2o12bo4bo3bo13bo23bo\$45b2o23bo47bo14bobob3o37b2o\$69bobob2o40b3o14b2obobo\$28b2o37b3obobo29b2o10bo20bo23b2o\$12b2o14bo37bo3bo4bo27bobo39bo14bo\$8b2o4bo11bobo38bo2bob4o29bo40bo11bobo\$6b8o12b2o10bo20b2o7bobobo32b2o31b2o5b2o11b2o10bo20b2o\$5bo4b2obo3bo20b3o18b2o8bo3b3o61bob2o4bo24b3o18b2o\$2o3bo12bo22bo33bo60b2o5bobo3b2o22bo\$2o3b2o5b2o3bo22b2o95b4o31b2o\$7b3o45b2o30bobo37b2o12bo45b2o\$7b2o46bo32b2o36bobo10bobo45bo\$52b2obo32bo37bo57b2obo\$51bo2bo70b2o7b2o47bo2bo\$51bobo80b2o48bo\$43b2o130b2o5bobo\$43bo2bo2bobo122b6o2bo\$41bo4b2o2bo126bo2bobo\$14b2o23bo6b2o98b2o23bob2o2bo2bo\$10b2o2b2o23b3ob2o2bo94b2o2b2o22bo4b2o2b2o\$9bobo12b2o3bo9b5o3bo93bobo12b2o3bo9bo3b2ob3o\$9bo14bo3bobo16bo93bo14bo3bobo9b2obo\$8b2o15bo3bobo11bo96b2o15bo3bobo\$26bo3bobob2o7bo2bo111bo3bobob2o7bo2bo\$24bob4o2bob2o8b3o109bob4o2bob2o8b3o\$23bobo3bobo123bobo3bobo13bo\$23bobo2bo2b2ob2o119bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$24bo3b2o2bobo71bo49bo3b2o2bobo\$32bobo10b2o60bo56bobo10b2o\$33bo11b2o58b3o57bo11b2o!`
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

dvgrn wrote:I was surprised to find that the syringe catalyst can be adapted to allow an Fx119 to be attached.

Unfortunately this doesn't work:

`x = 50, y = 34, rule = B3/S2311b2o\$11bobo2b2o\$13bo2bo\$13b3o2bo\$16b3o\$15bo\$15b2o\$2o\$bo10bo\$bob2o8bo\$2bo2bo5b3o\$3b2o\$18b2o\$18b2o4\$27bo3b2o\$26bobo3bo\$25bobo3bo\$21b2obobo3bo\$21b2obo2b4obo\$25bobo3bobo\$21b2ob2obobo2bo\$22bobo2bob3o\$10b2o10bobo2bo10b2o\$10b2o11bo4b2o3b2o3b2o\$29bo3b2o\$27bo\$27b2o\$32b2o12b2o\$33bo5b2o5bo\$30b3o6b2o6b3o\$30bo18bo!`
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

simeks wrote:a new p969 .... a simple p71

Thanks, I added those. Here is the latest Hall of Shame.

`*******************************Hall of Shame (p100 or greater)*******************************509 (9086, 'p00906_14')              (5 mod 8)543 (9009, 'p00894_24')              (7 mod 8)997 (8840, 'p00973_3')               (5 mod 8)501 (8816, 'p00906_12')              (5 mod 8)989 (8755, 'p00973_2')               (5 mod 8)517 (8742, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)965 (8732, 'p00901_8')               (5 mod 8)653 (8712, 'p00541_14')              (5 mod 8)437 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)453 (8704, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)906 (8704, 'fixed')                  (2 mod 8)533 (8692, 'fixed')                  (5 mod 8)899 (8687, 'p00803_12')              (3 mod 8)957 (8673, 'p00901_7')               (5 mod 8)981 (8670, 'p00973_1')               (5 mod 8)461 (8662, 'p00906_2')               (5 mod 8)922 (8662, 'p00906_2')               (2 mod 8)961 (8652, 'p00921_5')               (1 mod 8)999 (8648, 'p00879_15')              (7 mod 8)842 (8645, 'p00730_14')              (2 mod 8)`

EDIT: Hersrch found a p533 that pushes it slightly further down the list.
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

chris_c wrote:Here is the latest Hall of Shame...

Looking good! I haven't dug up a better 8N+5 loop yet, but there are more options yet to try. Any ideas for including the biggest sub-p74 guns in the Hall of Shame as well? I guess it's a different list, since as the period goes lower, it gets legitimately harder to find a compact solution... kind of a mirror-image of the problem as the period gets higher, but even more so. There are quantum leaps of difficulty as streams get too closely packed and the most compact insertion mechanims stop working.

Meanwhile, I checked out the top of the tentative gun list, and the lowest periods all look impossible to me -- there's not enough adjustability in 118 (p00700_1), 119 (p00595_0), 125 (p00718_4), 175 (p00700_0), 177 (p00700_1), 350 (p00700_0), or 354 (p00700_1). The first one that works is p181:

`#C p181+2N gunx = 95, y = 68, rule = B3/S2361b2o\$61bobo\$63bo4b2o\$59b4ob2o2bo2bo\$59bo2bobobobob2o\$62bobobobo\$26b2o3b2o30b2obobo\$24b3obo2b2o34bo\$23bo4bo\$23bo2b2ob4o20b2o\$22b2obobobo2bo21bo7b2o\$23bobobobo24bobo5b2o11bo\$23bobob2o26b2o18b3o\$24bo53bo\$19bo57bobo\$17b3o17b2o38bobo\$16bo11b2o7bo40bo\$15bobo10b2o5bobo\$15bobo17b2o\$16bo48b2o\$65bo\$66b3o24b2o\$68bo24b2o2\$2o11bo66bo\$2o10bobo10b2o51bobo\$11bo3bo10bo46b2o4b2o\$11bo3bo7b3o46bobo\$11b2ob2o7bo48bo\$20b2obo47b2o7b2o\$20bobob2o54b2o\$22bo2bo\$22b2o64b2obo\$88b2ob3o\$94bo\$3bob2o81b2ob3o\$b3ob2o80bo2b2o\$o85bobo\$b3ob2o61bo16bobob2obo\$3b2o2bo60b3o15bo2bob2o\$6bobo62bo17bo\$2bob2obobo16bo8bo34b2o16b2o\$2b2obo2bo15b3o8b2o48bobo2b2o\$5bo17bo10bobo48b2o2bo2bo\$5b2o16b2o65b2o\$3b2o2bobo\$2bo2bo2b2o\$3b2o49b3o34b2o\$54bo36bo\$55bo33bobo\$89b2o2\$63b2o\$62bo\$63bobo5b2o\$10b2o19b2o31bo6b2o\$10b2o19b2o38bo\$68b2o\$67bo2bo\$9b2o56bobo\$10bo57bo25bo\$7b3o65b2o15bobo\$7bo67b2o16b2o2\$24b2o\$24bo\$25b3o\$27bo![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 LOOP 1810 ]]`

It looks to me as if the general rule of thumb will be that single-crossing variable loops are safely adjustable if the base loop has been increased by at least 5 cells. Moving 8*5=40 ticks of extra loop distance from one half of the loop to the other will move exactly-lined-up colliding gliders far enough that they can pass each other safely. With less than a __5 adjustment, it's the luck of the draw whether it will work or not.

`#C eight no-longer-tentative guns for p(700+8N)/x#C [[ VIEWONLY ]] tag here in the comments means that#C LifeViewer will display labels but not run the patternx = 196, y = 768, rule = 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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

You can save quite a few columns in the p00345x4 gun by folding the second semi-Snark into the unused space in the corner of the bounding box:

`x = 89, y = 55, rule = B3/S2318b2o11bo\$18b2o10bobo\$30bobo2b2o3bo\$29b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$33bobo3bobo\$29b2obo2b4obo\$21bo7b2obobo3bo\$20b3o10bobo3bo15b2o\$19b2o2bo10bobo3bo14bo\$23b2o10bo3b2o12bobo\$18bo3bobo24b2o2b2o\$22b2o25b2o\$16bo4b2o\$14b3o3b2o\$16bo4b2o\$11b2o9b2o37b2o\$10bo2bo4bo3bobo36b2o7b2o\$9bob2o57bo\$9bo9b2o47bobo\$8b2o58b2o\$3b2o18b2o\$4bo18bo\$2bo21b3o48b2o\$2b5o14b3o2bo10b2o36b2o\$7bo13bo2bo11bobo\$4b3o12bobo2b2o10bo\$3bo15b2o14b2o23bo23b2o\$3b4o52bobob2o18bobo\$b2o3bo3b2o45b3obobo20bo\$o2b3o4b2o44bo3bo4bo\$2obo52b2o2bob4o\$3bo45b2o10bo\$3b2o22bo21b2o12bo16b2o\$27b3o32b2o16b2o\$30bo25b2o27b2o\$11b2o16b2o25b2o27bobo\$12bo74bo\$9b3o60b2o13b2o\$9bo37b2o24bo\$47bobo20b3o6b2o\$48bo21bo8b2o2\$39b2o\$32b2o5bobo\$32b2o7bo9b2o\$41b2o8b2o\$46b2o\$28bo16bobo\$27bobob2o12bo\$27bobobobo10b2o13b2o\$24b2obobobobo2bo22bo\$24bo2bo2b2ob4o15b2o6b3o\$26b2o4bo19b2o8bo9bo\$32bobo38bo\$33b2o36b3o![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 5 LOOP 690 ]]`

EDIT: Here's a really annoying detail: the p556+8N is actually 78x66, not 75x66, because the beehive stopping the Herschel at the top right has an overhanging spark. Turns out this can be cut back down to 78x64 with an older two-block Herschel stopper:

`x = 78, y = 64, rule = B3/S2369b2o\$69b2o3\$34b2o11bo\$34b2o10bobo27b2o\$46bobo2b2o3bo19b2o\$45b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$49bobo3bobo\$45b2obo2b4obo\$45b2obobo3bo\$49bobo3bo\$50bobo3bo\$51bo3b2o4\$42b2o\$42b2o\$27b2o\$26bo2bo\$25bob2o\$15b2o8bo\$8b2o5b2o7b2o\$8b2o29b2o32b2o\$39bo33b2o\$29b2o9b3o24b2o\$10b2o16bobo5bo5bo24b2o\$10b2o18bo5b3o\$4b2o33bo\$4b2o32b2o29b2o\$53b2o7b2o5b2o\$53bo8b2o\$50b2obo\$49bo2bo\$50b2o\$35b2o\$35b2o4\$22b2o3bo\$bo20bo3bobo\$b3o19bo3bobo\$4bo19bo3bobob2o\$3b2o17bob4o2bob2o\$21bobo3bobo\$21bo2bobo2b2ob2o\$22bobob2o2bobo\$23b2obo3bobo10b2o\$26bo4bo11b2o\$23b3o\$22bo\$22b2o3\$2o\$2o4\$17bo8bo\$9b2o5bobo8bo\$9b2o6bo7b3o![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 5 LOOP 1112 ]]`

This also cuts two columns off of p698 and its multiples:
`x = 114, y = 54, rule = B3/S2327b2o11bo\$27b2o10bobo\$39bobo2b2o3bo\$38b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$42bobo3bobo\$38b2obo2b4obo3bo9bo42b2o\$38b2obobo3bo5b3o5b3o28b2o12b2o\$42bobo3bo7bo3bo13b2o17bo\$43bobo3bo5b2o3b2o13bo17bobo\$44bo3b2o24bo19b2o\$74b2o3\$35b2o\$35b2o75b2o\$20b2o90b2o\$19bo2bo54b2o\$18bob2o55b2o\$18bo\$17b2o\$32b2o\$32bo79bo\$33b3o75bobo\$35bo10b2o64bo\$45bobo11b2o6bo\$45bo13b2o6b3o\$34b2o8b2o24bo\$34bo24b2o8b2o31b2o\$35b3o6b2o13bo41bobo\$37bo6b2o11bobo41bo\$57b2o10bo30b2o11bo\$69b3o39bobo\$72bo39b2o\$71b2o4bo\$76bo9b2o\$76b3o7bo\$26b2o55b2obo\$26b2o54bo2bo\$83b2o\$2o66b2o\$2o66b2o3\$29b2o\$30bo24b2o3bo\$29bo13b2o3b2o5bo3bobo\$5b2o22b2o13bo3bo7bo3bobo\$5b2o34b3o5b3o5bo3bobob2o\$41bo9bo3bob4o2bob2o\$54bobo3bobo\$54bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$55bo3b2o2bobo\$63bobo10b2o\$64bo11b2o![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 4 LOOP 1396 ]]`

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

dvgrn wrote:Turns out this can be cut back down to 78x64 with an older two-block Herschel stopper:

Thanks. That also applies to all of the p482's and most of the low period guns that I have made in the p30-p60 range. Probably more than 100 guns in total. I have just pushed the changes along with a bunch of semi-snark additions. Next job is to go through the confirmed guns that you posted a little while ago.

EDIT: I added all of the tentative guns and added the "Hall of Pain" and the "Hall of the Insane". The idea being that guns of period N >= 39 can be done with two guns of period 2*N + Syringe + Herschel-based glider inserter. Happy hunting!

`*******************************Hall of Pain (p39 to p77)*******************************41 2934857 2622059 2508058 2178043 1711451 1680073 1518039 1461562 1414156 1383254 1377655 1356042 1297153 1291549 1231271 1138561 1070776 1004465 897663 8436`

`*******************************Hall of the Insane (p14 to p38)*******************************17 14363714 12974519 10695929 8836521 6757527 5398516 3999938 3878434 3110428 3001632 2704831 2280018 2275035 2136026 2040037 1680033 1600625 1576215 400420 3080`
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

I wanted to break the 9000 barrier for the Hall of Shame, so here are two new guns:

This p962+8n deals with p509:

`x = 102, y = 81, rule = B3/S2337b2o3b2o\$37b2o2bob3o\$41bo4bo\$37b4ob2o2bo\$37bo2bobobob2o\$40bobobobo\$41b2obobo44bo\$45bo43b3o\$88bo\$31b2o55b2o\$32bo7b2o58bo\$32bobo5b2o17bo17b2o7bo11b3o\$33b2o22b3o18bo7b2o9bo\$56bo21bobo4bobo9b2o\$56b2o21b2o\$86b2o\$86b3o7b2o\$64b2ob2o17bo9b2o\$65bob2o18b2o\$43b2o20bo\$43bo13b2o4b3o\$44b3o10b2o3bo3b2o\$46bo15b4o2bo\$42b3obob2o15bob2o\$41bobobobobo12b3o2bo\$40bo6bo13bo5bo\$40b3o3b2o14b5o\$43bo20bo\$42b2o39b2o\$84bo\$81b3o\$31b2ob2o45bo\$31b2obo\$34bo\$34b3o4b2o\$32b2o3bo3b2o\$31bo2b4o63bo\$31b2obo15b2o47bobo\$32bo2b3o12bobo47b2o\$32bo5bo13bo\$33b5o14b2o\$35bo4\$91b2o\$91b2o\$82b2o\$82bo2bo\$78b2o4b2o\$79bo20b2o\$79bobo18bo\$69bo10b2o16bobo\$67b3o28b2o\$23b2o41bo\$23bo29b2o11b2o\$21bobo29bo\$21b2o10bo17bobo\$33b3o14bobob2o\$36bo13bo2bo2bo\$35b2o12b2o3b2o\$2o46bo20b2o\$2o46bo20b2o\$47b2ob2o\$46bo2bobo40b2o\$47b2o43b2o2b2o\$32b2o44bo3b2o12bobo\$32b2o43bobo3bo14bo\$76bobo3bo15b2o\$72b2obobo3bo\$72b2obo2b4obo\$19b2o3bo51bobo3bobo\$19bo3bobo46b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$20bo3bobo46bobo2b2o3bo\$21bo3bobob2o30b2o10bobo\$19bob4o2bob2o30b2o11bo\$10b2o6bobo3bobo\$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$19bo3b2o2bobo\$27bobo10b2o\$28bo11b2o!`

Here it is at p509 including the weld needed at n=7. The area is 8976:

`x = 102, y = 88, rule = B3/S2344b2o3b2o\$44b2o2bob3o\$48bo4bo\$44b4ob2o2bo\$44bo2bobobob2o\$47bobobobo\$48b2obobo\$52bo2\$38b2o\$39bo7b2o\$39bobo5b2o17bo\$40b2o22b3o\$63bo27bo\$63b2o24b3o\$46b2o40bo\$47b2o39b2o\$46bo24b2ob2o24bo\$72bobo2b2o7bo11b3o\$50b2o20bo2b2obo7b2o9bo\$50bo13b2o4b3o3bobobo4bobo9b2o\$51b3o10b2o3bo3b3o3b2o\$53bo15b4o13b2o\$53bob2o15bob2o10b3o7b2o\$51b2obobo12b3o2bo11bo9b2o\$51bo2bo13bo5bo12b2o\$53b2o14b5o\$71bo5\$40bo\$40b3o\$43bo\$42b2o39b2o\$84bo\$81b3o\$31b2ob2o45bo\$31b2obo\$34bo\$34b3o4b2o\$32b2o3bo3b2o\$31bo2b4o63bo\$31b2obo15b2o47bobo\$32bo2b3o12bobo47b2o\$32bo5bo13bo\$33b5o14b2o\$35bo4\$91b2o\$91b2o\$82b2o\$82bo2bo\$78b2o4b2o\$79bo20b2o\$79bobo18bo\$69bo10b2o16bobo\$67b3o28b2o\$23b2o41bo\$23bo29b2o11b2o\$21bobo29bo\$21b2o10bo17bobo\$33b3o14bobob2o\$36bo13bo2bo2bo\$35b2o12b2o3b2o\$2o46bo20b2o\$2o46bo20b2o\$47b2ob2o\$46bo2bobo40b2o\$47b2o43b2o2b2o\$32b2o44bo3b2o12bobo\$32b2o43bobo3bo14bo\$76bobo3bo15b2o\$72b2obobo3bo\$72b2obo2b4obo\$19b2o3bo51bobo3bobo\$19bo3bobo46b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$20bo3bobo46bobo2b2o3bo\$21bo3bobob2o30b2o10bobo\$19bob4o2bob2o30b2o11bo\$10b2o6bobo3bobo\$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$19bo3b2o2bobo\$27bobo10b2o\$28bo11b2o!`

This compact p958+8n grows slowly and allows p543 to be improved:

`x = 108, y = 68, rule = B3/S2369b2o3b2o\$20b2o3b2o42b2o2bob3o\$20b2o2bob3o44bo4bo\$24bo4bo39b4ob2o2bo\$20b4ob2o2bo20b2o3b2o12bo2bobobob2o\$20bo2bobobob2o17b3obo2b2o15bobobobo\$23bobobobo17bo4bo20b2obobo\$24b2obobo17bo2b2ob4o20bo\$28bo17b2obobobo2bo\$47bobobobo9b2o18bo\$14b2o31bobob2o11bo7b2o9b3o\$15bo7b2o23bo15bobo5b2o12bo\$15bobo5b2o40b2o18bobo\$16b2o43b2o22bobo\$52b2o7bo24bo\$52b2o5bobo\$59b2o3\$75b2o24b2o\$26b2o47bo25b2o\$26bo49b3o\$27b3o48bo\$29bo19b2o\$50bo30b2o\$4bo42b3o30bobo\$2b5o14b2o24bo5bo26bo\$bo5bo13bo2bo26b3o25b2o7b2o\$bo2b3o12bobob2o25bo37b2o\$2obo15b2obo27b2o\$o2b4o15bo73b2obo\$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o71b2ob3o\$3b3o4b2o13bo53b2o21bo\$3bo20b2o51bo2bo15b2ob3o\$2obo55b2o14b5o17bobo\$2ob2o55bo13bo22bobo\$40b2o18bobo12b3o20bo\$39bobo5b2o12b2o15bo\$11b2o26bo7b2o26b4o20bo\$12bo25b2o30b2o3bo3b2o16b3o\$9b3o22b2o34b2o4b3o2bo14bo\$9bo17b2o5bobo15bo25bob2o14b2o\$27b2o7bo11b2obobo24bo9b2o\$36b2o9bobobobo23b2o9b2o\$44bo2bobobob2o\$23bo20b4ob2o2bo\$22bobob2o20bo4bo15b2o3bo\$22bobobobo15b2o2bob3o16bo3bobo\$21b2obobobo2bo12b2o3b2o19b4obo\$22bo2b2ob4o42bo\$22bo4bo44bo31bo\$23b3obo2b2o40b2o28b3o\$25b2o3b2o69bo\$63b3o35b2o\$62b5o\$37b2o22bob5o\$38bo21b2ob3o2b2o\$38bobo20b3o2bob2o\$39b2o21bo6b2o\$66bo2bo\$66b3o35b2o\$104bobo\$106bo\$106b2o\$68b2o\$43bo25bo15bo\$42bobo23bo17bo7b2o3b2o\$43b2o23b2o14b3o7b2o3b2o!`

At p543 an adjustment is needed to avoid a collision. This is the result with an area of 8680:

`x = 124, y = 70, rule = B3/S2383b2o3b2o\$83b2o2bob3o\$87bo4bo\$83b4ob2o2bo\$83bo2bobobob2o\$32b2o3b2o26b2o3b2o14bobobobo\$32b2o2bob3o22b3obo2b2o15b2obobo\$36bo4bo20bo4bo23bo\$32b4ob2o2bo20bo2b2ob4o\$32bo2bobobob2o18b2obobobo2bo5b2o\$35bobobobo20bobobobo9bo7b2o\$36b2obobo20bobob2o10bobo5b2o11bo\$40bo22bo15b2o18b3o\$102bo\$26b2o48b2o23bobo\$27bo7b2o30b2o7bo24bobo\$27bobo5b2o30b2o5bobo25bo\$28b2o44b2o2\$89b2o\$34b3o52bo\$36bo53b3o24b2o\$35bo56bo24b2o2\$38b2o24b2o\$38bo26bo\$39b3o20b3o32b2o\$41bo20bo33bobo\$96bo\$64bo30b2o7b2o\$62b3o39b2o\$61bo\$61b2o49b2obo\$112b2ob3o\$95b2o21bo\$93bo2bo15b2ob3o\$75b2o14b5o17bobo\$76bo13bo22bobo\$76bobo12b3o20bo\$51b2o24b2o15bo\$50bobo5b2o31b4o20bo\$4bo45bo7b2o26b2o3bo3b2o16b3o\$2b5o14b2o26b2o35b2o4b3o2bo14bo\$bo5bo13bo2bo69bob2o14b2o\$bo2b3o12bobob2o38bo30bo9b2o\$2obo15b2obo36b2obobo28b2o9b2o\$o2b4o15bo35bobobobo\$b2o3bo3b2o10b3o30bo2bobobob2o\$3b3o4b2o13bo29b4ob2o2bo20b2o3bo\$3bo20b2o33bo4bo20bo3bobo\$2obo51b2o2bob3o22b4obo\$2ob2o50b2o3b2o28bo\$88bo31bo\$88b2o28b3o\$11b2o104bo\$12bo66b3o35b2o\$9b3o22b2o42b5o\$9bo17b2o5bobo16b2o22bob5o\$27b2o7bo17bo21b2ob3o2b2o\$36b2o16bobo20b3o2bob2o\$55b2o21bo6b2o\$23bo58bo2bo\$22bobob2o54b3o35b2o\$22bobobobo91bobo\$21b2obobobo2bo90bo\$22bo2b2ob4o90b2o\$22bo4bo56b2o\$23b3obo2b2o27bo25bo15bo\$25b2o3b2o26bobo23bo17bo7b2o3b2o\$59b2o23b2o14b3o7b2o3b2o!`
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

simeks wrote:I wanted to break the 9000 barrier for the Hall of Shame, so here are two new guns...

Aha, I hadn't spent much time investigating Lx200 attached directly to a syringe. That does the trick very nicely!

Okay, with everything under a 9000-cell bounding box now, the Hall of Shame no longer contains anything shameful as far as I'm concerned. Not Looking Any More...

chris_c wrote:I added all of the tentative guns and added the "Hall of Pain" and the "Hall of the Insane". The idea being that guns of period N >= 39 can be done with two guns of period 2*N + Syringe + Herschel-based glider inserter. Happy hunting!

It still doesn't seem right somehow, that a gun that's disproportionately long and thin has such an unfair advantage over a more reasonable-shaped and more compact-looking gun. I've lodged a complaint with whoever designed basic arithmetic. Meanwhile:

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`#C pseudo p49 gun with 10192-cell bounding boxx = 182, y = 56, rule = B3/S23148bo11b2o\$147bobo10b2o\$139bo3b2o2bobo\$138bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$72b2o50b2o12bobo3bobo\$41bo11b2o16bobo22b2o27bo13bob4o2bob2o\$40bobo10b2o15b3o23bo28bobo13bo3bobob2o\$32bo3b2o2bobo27b2o25bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo\$31bobo2bo2b2ob2o26b2o24b2o9b3o29bo3bobo11b3o\$17b2o12bobo3bobo11bo19bobo32bo32b2o3bo12bo2bo\$18bo13bob4o2bob2o6bobo19bo33b2o10b2o36bo2b2o\$18bobo13bo3bobob2o6bob2o13b2o49bo37b2o3b2o\$19b2o12bo3bobo13bo13b2o47bobo24b2o15bo2bo\$32bob3obo8b3o3b3o17b2o26bo14b2o26b2o14bo2bo\$32b2ob3o12bo2bo39b2o5bo42bo16bo2bo\$5b2o40b2ob2o41b2o4bo2bo29b3o21b2o3b2o4b2o\$5b2o42b2ob2o45bo2bo53bo2b2o5bo2bo\$53bo2bo21bobo18bobo28b2obobob2o18bo2bo6b2obo\$51b2o4b2o20b2o19bo29bo2bobo21b3o10bo\$53bo2bo22bo50b3obo35b2o\$22b3o35b2o75b2o16b2o\$22bo2bo33bo2bo70bo4bo17bo\$2o18b2o4bo33b2obo63b2o8bo6b2o7b3o\$2o18b2o41bo32b2o4b2o23b2o7bo3b2o2b2o7bo\$20b2ob3o3b3o31b2o31bo6bo36bo\$23bo2b5obo15b2o44bobo3b3o38b7o\$20bo2bo5b2o18bo44b2o4bo47bo23b2o\$31bo2bo2b2o7b3o75bo10bo7b2o2b2o11b2o9b4o\$20b2o12bo2b2o7bo78bo7b3o7b2o15b2o9bob3o\$33bo47bo41b3o6bo37bob3o\$34b7o38b3o50b2o37b3o\$41bo22b2o2b2o8bo38b2o52b2o\$28bo7b2o2b2o11b2o9b2o2b2o8b2o38bo61b2o\$26b3o7b2o15b2o7bo6b2o47bob2o58b2o\$18bo6bo35bo7bo21b3o25bo2bo16b2o\$19b2o4b2o35b2ob2ob2o21bobo26b2o16bo2bo\$10b2o6b2o44bo3b2o68bo2bo\$11bo78bo2b2o42b2ob2o\$11bob2o123b2o\$12bo2bo15b2o3bo54b2o82b2o\$13b2o14b3o4b2o52bo84b2o\$28bo8b2o64bo40bo3b2o\$28bobo2b5o27b2o37b2o37bobo3bo\$29bo3b3o30bo9bo26b2o37bobo3bo12b2o\$63b3o6bo3bo16b2o43b2obobo3bo13bobo\$63bo6b6o17bo44b2obo2b4obo13bo\$37bo3b2o26bo4bo19b3o45bobo3bobo12b2o\$36bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo41b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$35bobo3bo12b2o16bobo64bobo2b2o3bo\$31b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o46b2o10bobo\$31b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo46b2o11bo\$35bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o\$31b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo\$32bobo2b2o3bo73bo\$20b2o10bobo82bo\$20b2o11bo81b3o![[ AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 3 HEIGHT 240 LOOP 490 ]]`

There seem to be a lot of interesting new guns in the p30-p77 range -- nice work!

Many of them don't seem as if they should really count as 'fixed' guns, though, since they can be made into pseudogun families just by adjusting the two component p2N guns. The p49 is actually p49+4N, for example, and here's a p53 and a p57 to prove it:

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`#C pseudo p53 = pseudo p49_1x = 192, y = 59, rule = B3/S2341bo11b2o98bo11b2o\$40bobo10b2o97bobo10b2o\$32bo3b2o2bobo101bo3b2o2bobo\$31bobo2bo2b2ob2o99bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$17b2o12bobo3bobo37b2o50b2o12bobo3bobo\$18bo13bob4o2bob2o33b2o22b2o27bo13bob4o2bob2o\$18bobo13bo3bobob2o57bo28bobo13bo3bobob2o\$19b2o12bo3bobo62bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo\$32bo3bobo62b2o9b3o29bo3bobo\$32b2o3bo73bo32b2o3bo9bo\$5b2o41b2o61b2o10b2o10b2o18bob4o\$5b2o38b2o25b2o23bo25bo32b2ob3o\$44b3o2bo22b2o22bo2bo21bobo33bo\$43bobob2o47bo24b2o\$42b2o2b2o51bo\$43b4o13b2o26b3o6b2o73b2o\$44b3o12bo2bo25bo6bob2obo70bo2bo\$2o58b2obo24bobo7bob2o70b2obo\$2o61bo25b2o3bo2b3ob2o72bo\$63b2o30bo4bo74b2o\$6b2o2bobo35b2o74b2o3bo30b2o\$5bo2b2o2bo36bo73bob2obo3bo28bo\$5bo2b2o10b2o24b3o73b2o4bobo2bo24b3o\$5bobo2b2o8b2o11b2o11bo54bo5b2o14b2o2b3o2b2o11b2o11bo\$33bo26b2o37b3o6bo18b2o16bo\$34b3o22b2o37bo6b3o38b3o\$36bo24bo36b2o5bo42bo2\$175b3o\$43bo42bo68bo19bo\$43b3o38b3o11bo56b3o18bo\$46bo36bo12bobo59bo\$33bo11bo12b2o23b2o12b2o46bo11b2o11b2o\$31b3o11bo3b3o6b2o83b3o24b2o\$30bo19b4o88bo\$30b2o15bob2ob2o88b2o\$15b2o32bo2bob2o31bo39b2o30b2o\$16bo31b2obo3b2o29bobo39bo28b3ob2o27b2o\$16bob2o28b2obobobo28b2o3bo38bob2o25bobob2o27b2o\$17bo2bo31b3o29b2o9b2o32bo2bo6bobo13b2obo\$18b2o8b2o23bo30bo2b2o5bo2bo32b2o8b2o\$27bobo12bo42b2o8b2o43bo4b2o7bo\$27bo14bobo25b2o73b2o\$27bobo12b2o27bo38bo\$28b2o38b3o6bob2o17b2o11b2o72b2o\$68bo6b3ob2o17bo11b2o73b2o\$42bo3b2o26bo24b3o52bo3b2o\$41bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo51bobo3bo\$40bobo3bo12b2o16bobo72bobo3bo12b2o\$36b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o62b2obobo3bo13bobo\$36b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo62b2obo2b4obo13bo\$40bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o67bobo3bobo12b2o\$36b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo65b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$37bobo2b2o3bo101bobo2b2o3bo\$25b2o10bobo97b2o10bobo\$25b2o11bo98b2o11bo\$124bo\$125bo\$123b3o![[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 3 HEIGHT 240 STOP 106 ]]`

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`#C pseudo p57 = p49_2x = 197, y = 61, rule = B3/S2341bo11b2o98bo11b2o\$40bobo10b2o97bobo10b2o\$32bo3b2o2bobo101bo3b2o2bobo\$31bobo2bo2b2ob2o99bobo2bo2b2ob2o\$17b2o12bobo3bobo37b2o50b2o12bobo3bobo\$18bo13bob4o2bob2o33b2o22b2o27bo13bob4o2bob2o\$18bobo13bo3bobob2o57bo28bobo13bo3bobob2o\$19b2o12bo3bobo62bo11bo16b2o12bo3bobo\$32bo3bobo37b3o22b2o9b3o29bo3bobo\$32b2o3bo38b3o32bo32b2o3bo\$5b2o104b2o10b2o\$5b2o65b2o49bo\$72b2o47bobo23bo2bo\$34bo10b2o31b2o37b2ob3o23bo3b2o5b2o\$3bo28b2o11b2o29bobo19b2o17b4o25bo3bo6b2o\$4bo29bobobo21b2o15bo20b2o19b2o25bo3bo21b2o\$4bo31bobo20bo2bo19bobo26b3o33bo2bo20bo2bo\$2o58b2obo19b2o25b5o34bo22b2obo\$2o61bo19bo25bo3bob2o58bo\$63b2o45b3o3bo58b2o\$48b2o61bo48b2o\$49bo6b3o54bo47bo8bo\$20b2o24b3o7bo56bo10bo7b2o24b3o8b2o\$12bo7b2o11b2o11bo10bo49b2o16bo6b2o11b2o11bo10bobo\$13b2o18bo74bo14b3o19bo\$12b2o20b3o68b3o38b3o\$36bo68bo42bo2\$106bo\$104b3o\$103bo\$103b2o2\$100bo\$48bo42bo8b2o58bo\$48b3o38b3o7bobo58b3o\$51bo36bo74bo10b3o\$38bo11b2o13b3o20b2o60bo11b2o10b4o\$36b3o28bo80b3o22b2o2b2o\$35bo31bo79bo26b2obo\$35b2o26bob2o80b2o25b3o\$20b2o39bo70b2o41bo\$21bo38bo2bo69bo61b2o\$21bob2o34bo3bo69bob2o34b3o21b2o\$22bo2bo71b5o9bo22bo2bo33b3o\$23b2o36bobo31b5o2bo9b2o21b2o32b2o2bo\$27bo4bo24bobo3bo27bob3o5bo9b2o27b2o27b2o\$27b2o2b2o24bo3bo13b2o12b2o2b2o3b4o37b3ob3o23b2o3b3o\$27bo3bo2bo22bo4b2o12bo14b3o4b2o40b2o30bob3o\$31b2ob3o25b2o9b3o6bob2o17b2o42bo25bobo14b2o\$31bo4bo24b2o10bo6b3ob2o17bo67bo2bo15b2o\$31b4o12bo3b2o7bo2bo15bo24b3o36b4ob2o9bo3b2o7b3o\$31b2o2b2o9bobo3bo7bob2o16b3ob2o20bo35b5obo9bobo3bo\$35b2o8bobo3bo9bob3o16bobo58bo2bo10bobo3bo12b2o\$31b2o8b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o53b3o6b2obobo3bo13bobo\$31b2obo6b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo54bo7b2obo2b4obo13bo\$33bo11bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o67bobo3bobo12b2o\$41b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo65b2ob2o2bo2bobo\$42bobo2b2o3bo73bo27bobo2b2o3bo\$30b2o10bobo82bo14b2o10bobo\$30b2o11bo81b3o14b2o11bo![[ THUMBNAIL AUTOSTART STEP 8 ZOOM 3 HEIGHT 240 STOP 114 ]]`

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

simeks wrote:I wanted to break the 9000 barrier for the Hall of Shame, so here are two new guns

Good work. I added those and, like Dave, I will do my best not to look at the Hall of Shame again.

dvgrn wrote:The p49 is actually p49+4N, for example, and here's a p53 and a p57 to prove it

Ah, nice. That's quite an enlightened viewpoint but as far as keeping track of things go I will probably just stick with fixed guns for the low periods. I applied the same trick to the p39 and p43:

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And I added the following p29. The area is over twice as small as the previous gun but is still probably far from optimal. There's plenty of new technology in there: p87 Herschel factory on the left; Snark trombone in the middle; p87 glider gun feeding Syringe on the right; p29 reflector near the bottom. Surely there's a better way of fitting all this together...

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

chris_c wrote:And I added the following p29. The area is over twice as small as the previous gun but is still probably far from optimal. There's plenty of new technology in there: p87 Herschel factory on the left; Snark trombone in the middle; p87 glider gun feeding Syringe on the right; p29 reflector near the bottom. Surely there's a better way of fitting all this together...

Far too many ways, yes. Here's a start:

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It's really nice having that p29 reflector available. I'm not sure it was necessary here; the loaf can theoretically be reset by a glider of either color. Still, with a color-changing reflector, and a base period relatively prime to 8, any glider output can be hooked up to any glider input -- though it might require a painfully long path in some cases.

The real trick would be to set up a single p87 Herschel factory with several extra glider outputs, and find a reasonably short path to match three of those outputs up with the three required in puts.

Actually the real trick would be if the resulting gun was really smaller than some multi-p87-gun version. It seldom-to-never seems to work out that way.

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

dvgrn wrote:Far too many ways, yes. Here's a start:

Thanks for that. I don't know why I turned to the p29 reflector. At first I tried 3 Snarks to hit the loaf on the other lane but I couldn't get the timing to work. Looking at it again today it seems like it should have been easy. Oh well.

I also improved the p58 and p59:

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Here are the latest Halls of Pain and the Insane: (EDITED twice, see below)

`*******************************Hall of Pain (p39 to p77)*******************************59 1664241 1612058 1504062 1414156 1383254 1377651 1356655 1356043 1306542 1297157 1201773 1200671 1138539 1125253 1075261 1070749 1019276 1004465 897663 8436`

`*******************************Hall of the Insane (p14 to p38)*******************************17 14363714 12974519 10695921 6757527 5398516 3999938 3878434 3110428 3001629 2914532 2704831 2295218 2275035 2136026 2040037 1680033 1600625 1576215 400420 3080`

EDIT: Added a new p41 (on the left). I would just like to point out if the same method is used to make the p59 (shown on the right), then it is 1 cell bigger than the p59 I posted above. Conversely when I tried the p59 method in the p41 case it turned out worse than using two p82 guns.

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EDIT2: Flipping the right hand gun diagonally in the p41 is better and the same method also gives improvements to p59 and p73. Also I improved p51 along the same lines as p39, 43, 49, 53, 57. Lists above are updated.

`#C pseudo-period guns of p41, p59 and p73x = 504, y = 106, rule = 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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

chris_c wrote:Flipping the right hand gun diagonally in the p41 is better and the same method also gives improvements to p59 and p73.

You can also pull the left-most gun in a little:
`#C pseudo-period p41x = 152, y = 104, rule = B3/S2383b2o\$83b2o7\$28bo11b2o41bo\$27bobo10b2o40b3o\$19bo3b2o2bobo38b2o11b2ob2o\$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o37b2o11bo\$10b2o6bobo3bobo\$19bob4o2bob2o6b3o43bo\$21bo3bobob2o6bobo43b2o\$20bo3bobo14bo40bob2o\$19bo3bobo8b2o5bo\$19b2o3bo9b2obo3bo\$35b5o28b2o\$67bo2bo2b2o35bo\$39bob2obo23b2o2bobo36bo\$39bo4bo25b2o16b2o19b3o\$21bo17bob2obo25bo17bo\$21b2o24b2o18b2obo2bo15b3o\$16b2o2bobo23bo2bo17bob2obob3obo12bo\$15bobo29b2obo20bobob3o\$2o13bo34bo17b2o2bo4bo\$2o13b2obo31b2o14b3ob2o54bo\$17b2o16b2o28bo60b3o\$36bo29b3ob2o57bo\$33b3o32bob2o56bobo\$21b2o10bo94bobo\$21bobo49b3o53bo\$23bo48bo2bo11b2o\$23b2o50bo11bo\$51bo19bob2o10bobo\$50b2o20bo12b2o\$50bobo23b3o65b2o\$77b2o65b2o\$70bo\$65b2o64bo\$65b2o62bobo\$124b2o4b2o\$123bobo\$123bo\$122b2o7b2o\$81bo8bo40b2o\$80bobo6b2o\$17bo62bobo6bobo47b2obo\$18bo62bo57b2ob3o\$16b3o63b3o60bo\$84bo54b2ob3o\$138bo2b2o\$131b3o3bobo\$119bo8b3obo3bobob2obo\$119b3o7b2ob2o3bo2bob2o\$122bo6b2ob2o6bo\$69bo51b2o8bo7b2o\$67b2ob2o64bobo2b2o\$66bobo67b2o2bo2bo\$66bo74b2o\$65b2obob2o\$54b2o8b3o\$55bo9b5o72b2o\$55bobo7b2o75bo\$45bo10b2o7b3o72bobo\$43b3o19b2o6b2o65b2o\$42bo22bobo3bo2bo35b2o5bo7bo\$42b2o21b3ob2o38b2o4b3o7b2o\$27b2o9bo26bo2b2o7b2o32bo3bobobo4bo\$28bo7bobo27b2o9b2o35b3o3b2o4b2o23bo\$28bob2o5b2o76bo2b3obobo3bo20b3o\$29bo2bo75b2o6b4ob2obobo12bobo6bo\$30b2o16b3o16b2o40bo7bo7bo14b2o6b2o\$43bo6bo16b2o40bobo13b3o12bo\$43bo4bobo59b2o\$48b2o\$42bobo22bo24bo33b2o7bo\$42bobo22b2o23b3o31b2o5b3o\$54bo3b2o35bo36bo\$53bobo3bo8b2o12bo11b2o36b2o\$52bobo3bo9bobo9b3o\$48b2obobo3bo8b5o8bo26b2o43bo\$48b2obo2b4obo5b2o12b2o19b2o3bob2o40bobo\$52bobo3bobo5bo38bobobo23b2o15b2o\$48b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o40b2o24bo2bo\$49bobo2b2o3bo3bo2b3o36b3o26b3o\$37b2o10bobo14bo2bo33b5o26b2o8b2o\$37b2o11bo16b2o34bo2b2o21b2o3bo8bo2bo\$104b3o22bo2b2o10b2o\$105bo13b2o9b3o\$80bo2bo36bo8b3o\$80b2o35b3o6bob2o17b2o\$80b6o31bo6b3ob2o17bo\$85bo5bo3b2o26bo24b3o\$90bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo\$85bo3bobo3bo12b2o16bobo\$86bobobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o\$86b3o2b4obo13bo16bo6bo\$86bo2bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o\$85b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo\$86bobo2b2o3bo\$74b2o10bobo\$74b2o11bo!`

On an unrelated note, I don't remember seeing this syringe variant:
`x = 32, y = 24, rule = B3/S2318bo\$16b3o\$15bo\$15b2o\$2o\$bo\$bob2o\$2bo2bo\$3b2o9bo\$15b2ob2o\$14b2o2b2o5\$26bo3b2o\$25bobo3bo\$21b2obobo3bo\$21b2obo4bo\$25b5obo\$17b2obob2obo4b2o\$17bob2obo2bob2o\$10b2o12b2obob3o\$10b2o19bo!`

This variant gives slightly more room on the output side, so it might be useful.
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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

Sokwe wrote:You can also pull the left-most gun in a little

Thanks. That knocks 3 columns off the p41, p59, p61 and p73. Also I found a weld between a boat-bit catcher and an R-bee that saves a row in the p61. I wonder if there is anything better?

`#C pseudo period p61x = 126, y = 82, rule = B3/S2379b2o\$79b2o15bo\$96b3o\$99bo\$98bobo\$98bobo\$99bo4\$64b2o43bob2obo\$64b2o35b2o6bo5bo\$28bo11b2o67bo5bo\$27bobo10b2o62b2o4bo2b2o\$19bo3b2o2bobo73b3o4b2o\$10b2o6bobo2bo2b2ob2o71bo\$10b2o6bobo3bobo48bobo16b2o11b2o\$19bob4o2bob2o42bo4bo14bobo11b2o\$21bo3bobob2o33b2o7bo4bo14bo11bob2o\$20bo3bobo36bo2bo2b2o6b2o13b2o11b2o\$19bo3bobo38b2o2bobo\$19b2o3bo9b2o30b2o5b2o2b2o5b2o\$32bo3bo29bo6b2o2b2o5bo24b2obo\$36bo26b2obo2bo4bob3o6b3o21b2ob3o\$31b3obo27bob2obobo6bo9bo27bo\$67bobo6bo32b2ob3o\$64b2o2bo39bo2b2o\$47b2o13b3ob2o39bobo\$9b2o35bo2bo11bo27bo16bobob2obo\$7b2obo36b2obo11b3ob2o21b3o15bo2bob2o\$2o4bo3bo39bo13bob2o24bo17bo\$2o4bo43b2o39b2o16b2o\$7bo27b2o37b2o30bobo2b2o\$6bo29bo37b2o7b2o21b2o2bo2bo\$6bo26b3o47bo27b2o\$4b2ob2o12b2o10bo47bobo\$4b2ob2o12bobo57b2o\$5bo17bo88b2o\$5bo17b2o72b2o13bo\$6bo3b2o85b2o11bobo\$7bo3bo16b2o31b2o34bo12b2o\$5bo2bo2bo17bo31b2o21b2o\$5bo4bo18bobo49b2o3bo8b2o\$5b2ob2o9bo10b2o48b2o5b2o5bo\$8b2o7b3o62bo3bobo\$16bo18b2o48bo2bo3bo4b2o9bobo\$16b2o16bob2o39bo8b2o4b6o11b2o\$b2o30b2obobo12b2o23bobo14b4o12bo\$2bo10bo19bo2bob2o11b2o23bobo16bo29bo\$2bob2o5bobo23b2o38b2obo42b3o\$3bo2bo5b2o16bo3b4o36bo4b2o41bo\$4b2o23bo44b4o3b2o13b2o24b2o\$19b2o8b3o46b2o2bo13b2o\$19b2o55bo2b2o\$76b2o\$66bo42bo\$66b3o38b3o\$28bo3b2o35bo36bo\$27bobo3bo22bo11b2o11b2o8b2o2bobo8b2o\$26bobo3bo21b3o24b2o10b2o2bo\$22b2obobo3bo21bo36bo2b2o2bo27bo\$22b2obo2b4obo5b2o12b2o35bobo2b2o26bobo\$26bobo3bobo5bo83b2o\$22b2ob2o2bo2bobo2b3o\$23bobo2b2o3bo3bo2b3o\$11b2o10bobo14bo2bo74b2o\$11b2o11bo16b2o74bo2bo\$118b2o\$93b2o\$54bo39bo\$53bo2b3o32b3o6bob2o17b2o\$54bo4bo31bo6b3ob2o17bo\$55bo3bo5bo3b2o26bo24b3o\$56bo7bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo\$63bobo3bo12b2o16bobo\$59b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o\$59b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo\$63bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o\$59b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo\$60bobo2b2o3bo\$48b2o10bobo\$48b2o11bo!`

`#C pseudo period p32x = 174, y = 99, rule = B3/S23143bo2bo\$17b2o11b2o16b2o11b2o80b6o\$16bo2bo9bo2bo14bo2bo9bo2bo76bo8bob2o\$16bobo11bobo14bobo2b2obob2o2bobo73bo2b8obobo3b2o\$14b2o2bo4b3o4bo2b2o10b2o2bob3o3b3obo2b2o71b3o3bo3bobo2bobob3o\$15bobob4obob4obobo12bobobo2bobobo2bobobo75b2o2b2o3bo4bo4bo\$14bo2b2ob2o5b2ob2o2bo10bo2b2o2b3ob3o2b2o2bo71b2o3bobob4obob6o\$14b2o5bo5bo5b2o10b2o17b2o71bo3b3obo5b3o3bo\$21bo5bo23bo2bobo2bo79b6o2b2obo3b2o3bo\$5bo2b2o9b4o3b4o20bo3b3o3bo9b2o2bo64b2o7bob4ob5o\$4bobo2bo2bo5bo3bobobo3bo18bo2b7o2bo5bo2bo2bobo72bo5bo\$4bob2obobobo4b2ob7ob2o18b2o9b2o4bobobob2obo48b2ob2o11bobobo4b3o4b2o\$3b2obo2bobobo9b3o40bobobo2bob2o48bobobo3b2o4bo3bo7bo3bo2bo\$3bo2bobo2bob2o49bo3bob2obo2bo47bo2bob5obo7bob2o5bo4bo\$4bo5bo3bobo46bo7bob2o49b3ob2ob2obo3bob4ob2o7bobo4b2obo\$3b2o4b2o6bo38bo7bobo3bo5bo50bo4bobo4bo2b2o2b2o2b2ob2o6bob2o\$2bo2bo3bo2bobo8bo31b3o5bo6bobo4bo48b2obo4b3o9b2o2b5o10b2o\$2b2o2b2obob2obo2bo4bobo29bobobo4b2ob3obob3ob2o47bo2b2o4b3o8bo5bo10b2o3bo\$8b2obo3bobo35b3ob3o3bo4bob2o53b5o6b2o19b2o3bob2obo\$2b5o4bo10b3o29bobobo9bo4b5o57b3o4bobo12bobo3bo2bo\$bo4bob3o17b2o20b2o3b3o11b3obo4bo46b5o6b2o3bo2bo13b2o4bo\$bob2obobo7bo11bobo18bobo4bo14bobob2obo46bo2b2o4b3o5bobo5bo8bob2o\$2obo2bo6bo3bo12bo18bo12b4obo5bo2bob2o46b2obo4b3o12bobo5b2o3bo2bo\$bobobobo4b2o2bo7bobo3b2o16b2o9bo5bo2bo3bobobobo48bo4bobo13bo3bo4bo2b3o2bo\$bobobo2bo6bo4bo4b2o26bo4bobo2bo7bobo2bobo45b3ob2ob2obo14bobo5bo4b2o\$2obo5bob3obo4bo4bo25b2o4bo3bo2b5o2b2o2b2ob2o44bo2bob5obo7bo6bo6bo2b3o2bo\$3bobo3bo2bo6bobo30b2o4bobo4bo10bo48bobobo3b2o8bobo11b2o3bo2bo\$3bobo4bo2b2o44bo7bo4bobobo47b2ob2o14b2o14bob2o\$2b2ob2o3bo2b3o49b2o4b4ob2o69b2o9b2o4bo\$4bo2b4o2b3o14bobo32b3obobo3bo72bo8bobo3bo2bo\$4bobobo10bo11b2o14bo17bo7bobo69b3o9b2o3bob2obo\$3b2ob2o23bo13b2o25b2ob2o60bo7bo16b2o3bo\$16bo5bo23b2o10b5o74bobo25b2o\$13b2o4bo4b2o11b2o15b2ob2o3b2ob2o70b2o22bob2o\$12bob2ob2ob2ob2obo8b2o16bo13bo93b2obo\$12bo13bo11bo15bo2bo2bo2bo2bo5b3o\$15bo7bo10bo2bo16bo2bo5bo2bo4bo52bo\$12bo2bo7bo2bo7b3o3b3o12bo9bo5bo3bo46b3o\$15bobo3bobo16b3o11bo3bo3bo3bo4bo2bobo8bo35bo\$12bob3obobob3obo27b2o2bo3bo2b2o6bobo2bo4b3o34bobo44b2obo\$11bo15bo24bo5bo3bo5bo5bo3bo3bo37bobo44bob2o\$11b3o2bobobobo2b3o9b2o13b3o2b2o3b2o2b3o9bo3b2o37bo49b2o\$14bobobobobobo12b2o16bobobobobobo9b3o40bo25b3o4bo16b2o3bo\$11b2obo2b2ob2o2bob2o24b2obo2b2ob2o2bob2o11bo37bo25bo6b3o9b2o3bob2obo\$11bob2o9b2obo24bob2o9b2obo10bobo35b3o25bo8bo8bobo5b2o\$80b2o2b2o67b2o10bo4bo\$84b2o19b2o8bo5bo8b2ob2o28bo3bo2bo\$105b2o6bo9bo7bobo6bo24bobob2o\$29bo36b2o5b2o37b2o4bo4bo6bo2bo2bo2bobo8b3o12bo4bo\$27b2o38bo5b2o36b2o4b3o10b3ob2obob3o8bo6bo3bo2bo4b3o\$28b2o37bobo42bo2b3ob3o11bobobob2o10bo3b2o8bo4bo\$68b2o34bo8b2obo3bo4b2o5bob2o3bobo4b2o9bo7bobob2o\$72b2o40b2o5bo3bobo3bo3b2o4bo2bo3bo14bo3bo2bo\$9bo61bobo28b3obo20bo3b2o7b2o6bo16bo4bo\$9b3o60bo28bob2o22b2o11b2o2bo3bo14bobo5b2o\$12bo88b2obo26b2o7b2o4b2o15b2o3bob2obo\$11b2o54b3o11bo17bob3o27bo3b2o4bo10bo15b2o3bo\$67b3o12bo25bob2o20bob2o3bobo8b3o3b2o13b2o\$67b3o10b3o18bo4b3ob2o21bobobob2o4bobo2bo6bob3o5bob2o\$3b2o59b3o30bo7bo24b3ob2obob3o2bo4bobo5bo2b2o5b2obo\$3bo49bo10b3o29bobo7b3ob2o18bo2bo2bo2bobo3bo3bob2o6b5o\$2obo49b3o8b3o24b2o3b2o10b2o2bo18bobo6bo5b2obob2o4b2o5bo\$o2b3o4b2o44bo35b2o6b2o9bobo3b2o11b2ob2o11b2ob2o4b3ob5o\$b2o3bo3b2o43b2o34bo8bobo4bob2obobo2bobo25b3obo4bo4b2o\$3b4o88b2o5bo4b2obo2bo3bo12b2ob2o12b3o4bob4ob5o\$3bo15b2o15bo42bo15b2o5b2o6bo19bo3bo10b2o2b2o2b2obo8bo\$4b3o12bobo2b2o10b3o38b3o30b2o16bobo3bobo6bo2bo4bo5bo3bobo\$7bo13bo2bo14bo22b2o2b2o8bo31b2o2bobo13b2o5b2o6b2obo3bob4ob2o3b3o\$2b5o14b3o2bo11b2o11b2o9b2o2b2o8b2o29bo2bo2b2o31b2o3bo3bo2b3o4bo\$2bo21b3o24b2o7bo6b2o39b2o15b2o16b3o7bobo3b2ob3o\$4bo18bo35bo7bo57bobo4bo10bo2b8obobobob2o\$3b2o12bo5b2o35b2ob2ob2o21b3o30b2o7bobo12bo8bob2o\$8b2o8b2o42bo3b2o21bo2bo30bo7bobo15b6o\$9bo7b2o68b2o35bo5b2ob3o13bo2bo\$9bob2o76bob2o26b2o2b3o10bo\$10bo2bo16bo3b2o51b2o33bob2o4b2ob3o\$11b2o14bo3bob2obo50bobo31b2ob2o4b2obo\$26bo2bobo4b2o84bobo\$26b2o2b3o2b2o26b2o9bobo46bo13b2o\$31b2o31bo11bo40b2o18bo\$61b3o6bobo18b2o12bo10bobo16bobo\$61bo6b3obobo16bo14bo9bo18b2o\$35bo3b2o26bo24b3o9b3o8b2o\$34bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo\$33bobo3bo12b2o16bobo\$29b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo9b2o\$29b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo10bo\$33bobo3bobo12b2o19b2o6b3o\$29b2ob2o2bo2bobo33b2o8bo27bo\$30bobo2b2o3bo73bo\$18b2o10bobo79b3o11bo\$18b2o11bo93bobo\$125bobo\$126bo\$130b2o\$110b2o18bobo\$109bobo9bo10bo\$109bo12bo9b2o\$108b2o10b3o!`

`#C pseudo period p54x = 135, y = 102, rule = B3/S2325bo56b2o\$25b3o54bobo\$28bo55bo4b2o\$27b2o51b4ob2o2bo2bo\$80bo2bobobobob2o\$83bobobobo\$84b2obobo\$88bo2\$29b3o42b2o\$29bo2bo6b2o34bo7b2o\$28bo9bo2bo33bobo5b2o\$33bo3bobobo34b2o\$27bo4bo3b3obo\$27bo10bo\$29bo7b2o\$29b2o6b2o54bo\$30b3o61bo\$31bo60b3o\$86b2o\$34bo9b2o40bo\$33b3o8b2o41b3o\$27b2o6b2o26b2o24bo\$27b2o7bo5b6o16bo\$27bo10bo2bo6bo13bo\$25bob3o3bo4bo3b3o2b2o13b5o14b2o\$24bobobo3bo34bo13bo\$24bo2bo9bo6bo19b3o12bobo\$25b2o6bo2bo4bo2bo18bo15b2o\$34b3o7bo18b4o\$44bo2b2o12b2o3bo3b2o2b3o\$40bo3bo2b2o11bo2b3o4b2o2bo\$11b2o27bo3bo15b2obo11bo\$10bo2bo30bo18bo\$10bobo28bo2bo18b2o\$11bob4o26bo\$12b2ob2o7b2o15bobobo\$13bo9bo2bo7bobo4b2obobo24b2o\$23bo2bo8b2o7bobo25bo\$22b2ob2o8bo8b2o23b3o\$23b2o44bo\$14b2o41b2o\$12b2ob2o40b2o\$12bo2bo104bo\$12bo2bo9bo95bo\$2b2o9b2o7b2ob2o92b3o\$bobo18b4obo15bobo87b2o\$bo24bobo15b2o87bo\$2o23bo2bo15bo86bobo\$26b2o103b2o\$47b2o\$48b2o\$26b2o19bo27bo42bo\$2o23bo2bo46b3o38b3o\$bo24bobo49bo36bo\$bobo18b2o3bo24bobo10bo11b2o11b2o23b2o\$2b2o3bo3b2o2bo7bob2o26b2o8b3o24b2o\$5b2obob3obo2bo7bo27bo8bo38b3o30bo\$5bo4b3o2bobo7bo36b2o37bo4bo25bobo\$5bo3bo6bo21b2o7b2o53bo3b2o25b2o\$6b3o21bo8b2o7bo58b2o\$8bo21b3o5bo9bob2o52bo2bo\$22bo6bo3bo10b2o3bo2bo15b2o3bo31b2o20b2o\$13bo7bobo2b3o4bo10bobo3b2o14b3o4b2o51bo2bo\$13bo7bo2bob3obob2o7b2obobo18bo8b2o51b2o\$12b2obo7bo2b2o3bo2b3o4bobobo19bobo2b5o27b2o\$11bo3b2o17bobo6bo22bo3b3o30bo\$10bobo20bo2bo5bo2bo54b3o6bob2o17b2o\$10bo2bo19b3o6bo57bo6b3ob2o17bo\$11b2o20b3o2bo3bo31bo3b2o26bo24b3o\$34bo2bo4bo4b2o24bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo\$33b2o2b2o3bo4b2o23bobo3bo12b2o16bobo\$42bo25b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o\$25b2o4b2ob2o7bobo22b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo\$24bo2bo15bobo26bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o\$24bobobo6bo7bo24b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo\$25bo2b3o5b2o4b2o3b2o20bobo2b2o3bo\$34bo2b2o2bo3bo2bo8b2o10bobo\$27b2o5b2ob2o3b6o9b2o11bo\$27bo7bob2o\$36bo7b2o\$44b2o3\$29bo\$27b2obo7bo\$27b2ob2o5b2o\$27b2o2bo\$28b2o5b3o2bo\$30bo6bobobo\$38bo2bo\$30b2ob2o4b2o\$31b2o\$28bo2bo\$28bobo4\$27b2o\$28bo\$25b3o\$25bo!`

`#C pseudo period p55x = 124, y = 74, rule = B3/S2381bo\$53bo27b3o\$51b3o30bo25bo\$50bo32b2o23b3o\$50b2o55bo\$89bo17b2o\$47b3o39b2o\$46bo3bo34bo3b3o12b3o\$45bo38bob2o15bo3bo\$45bo37b2ob3o13bo\$13bo31bo3b2o33b5o13bo\$13b3o31b2o53bo3b2o\$16bo87b2o\$15b2o2\$21bo\$21b2o60b5o\$17bo3b3o25b2o32b3ob2o\$16bob2o27b2o3bo17bo13b2obo18b2o\$15b2ob3o31bo11bo5b3o7b3o3bo17b2o3bo\$16b5o31bo9b3o8bo7b2o26bo11bo\$47bo3bo9bo10b2o8bo26bo9b3o\$48b3o10b2o41bo3bo9bo\$78bo8b2o16b3o10b2o\$46b2o11bo17bobo7bo\$47bo3bo6b3o13b2o4bo3bo3b3o12b2o11bo\$15b5o24b3o4bobo3b5o11bo5bo5bo4bo13bo3bo6b3o\$15b3ob2o23bo6b2o3b3ob2o11bo2b2o5b3o15b3o4bobo3b5o\$2bo13b2obo37bo2bo12b2obo15bo8bo6b2o3b3ob2o\$2b3o7b3o3bo39b2o32b3o19bo2bo\$5bo7b2o31bo48bo19b2o\$4b2o8bo30bo44bo3b2o7bo\$45b3o40bobo11bo\$10bo8b2o68b2o11b3o\$9bobo7bo53bob2o7bo\$6b2o4bo3bo3b3o37b2o10b2o2bo6bobo21b2o\$5bo5bo5bo4bo17bo18bo2bo7bo5bo6bobo9bo11b2o8b2o\$5bo2b2o5b3o22bobo15b2ob3o5bo4b2o6b2ob2o9bo19bo2bo\$5b2obo15bo15b2o16b5o7bobo10bo2bo7b3o18b2ob3o\$24b3o32b3o9bo9bo2b2o29b5o3bo\$27bo32bo20b2obo2bob2o25b3o\$o21bo3b2o7bo40b2o6bob2obobo18bo6bo\$20bobo11bo22b2o17bo4b2obo2bo3bo16b3o\$21b2o11b3o21bo8b2ob2o5b3o2bob2o2b2ob3o13bo6b2o\$5bob2o7bo38b3o7bo2bobobo6bobo8bo3bo12b2o6bo\$4b2o2bo6bobo21b2o14bo9b2o4bo8bo9bobo2bo16b3o\$2bo5bo6bobo9bo11b2o50b4o17bo\$bo4b2o6b2ob2o9bo23bo\$2bobo10bo2bo7b3o23b3o38b4o\$3bo9bo2b2o37bo22b2o2b2o8bo3bo\$13b2obo2bob2o19bo11b2o11b2o8b3o12b2o11bo2bo\$8b2o6bob2obobo16b3o24b2o15bo19bo4b2o\$8bo4b2obo2bo3bo15bo35bobo27bo2b2o\$9b3o2bob2o2b2ob3o13b2o35b4obo2bo\$11bobo8bo3bo50b3ob3o\$12bo9bob2o\$23bo2b3o14bo\$21bobo2bo2bo12bo2bo58b2o\$21b2o4b2o17bo56bo2bo\$40bo5bo57b2o\$40bo4b2o32b2o\$40bo39bo\$39b4obo32b3o6bob2o17b2o\$77bo6b3ob2o17bo\$51bo3b2o26bo24b3o12bo\$50bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo10bobo\$49bobo3bo12b2o16bobo33b2o\$45b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o\$45b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo\$49bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o\$45b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo\$46bobo2b2o3bo\$34b2o10bobo\$34b2o11bo!`

`#C pseudo period p56x = 164, y = 63, rule = B3/S23123b2o\$31b2obo7bo\$2b2o27bob2o7b3o76bo3bo\$3bo41bo14bo60bo4bo\$3bobo38b2o12b3o62bobobo8bo\$4b2o2b2o47bo66bobobo5b3o\$8b2o47b2o66bo4bo2bo\$37bo88bo3bo2b2o\$36b2o\$35b2o19b2o69b2o2bo\$36bo19b2o72bobo\$37bob3o89b2o2b2o\$39b3o93b2o2\$117b2o5b2o\$118bo5b2o\$118bobo\$2b2o36b2o77b2o\$bobo16b2o19bo81b2o\$bo18bobo15b3o81bobo\$2o20bo15bo84bo\$10b2o4b2o4b2o19b2o74bo40bo\$10b2o4bobo25bo73b3o39b2o\$10b2o6bo22b3o73bob3o37b2obo\$18b2o21bo74bo3bo37bo2b3o\$6b2o2bo104bo3bo15bo21bobobo\$7b3o104b3obo14bobo20bobobo\$8bo106b3o16b2o18b3o2bo\$2o114bo38bob2o\$bo144b3o7b2o\$o145bo6bo3bo\$2o107bo37bo4bobo\$109b3o40b2o\$112bo43b2o\$64bobo44b2o43bobo\$65b2o84b2o5bo\$53bo11bo26bo42bo15b2o5b2o\$52b3o37b3o38b3o\$51bo2b2o39bo23bo12bo13b2o\$20bo21b2o38bo11b2o11b2o9b6o8b2o10bo4bo\$18b3o22bo6b2o28b3o24b2o8bo2b2ob2o19bo4bo\$17bo25bobo4b2o27bo36b2obo3b2o20b2ob2o\$17b2o19b2o4b2o4b2o27b2o36bob4o\$23bo15bo20b2o2b2o54b2o\$21b3o15bobo18bo4bo\$20bo19b2o16bobo4bob2o\$20b2o36b2o6bo2bo74b2o\$67b2o13bobo59b2o\$82bo2bo58b2o\$82bo2bo33b2o\$83b2o35bo\$20b3o56b2o36b3o6bob2o17b2o\$20b3obo54b2o36bo6b3ob2o17bo\$4b2o19bo65bo3b2o26bo24b3o12bo\$4b2o19b2o63bobo3bo27b3ob2o20bo10bobo\$24b2o63bobo3bo12b2o16bobo33b2o\$24bo60b2obobo3bo13bobo15bobo4b2o\$3b2o47b2o31b2obo2b4obo13bo16bo6bo\$4bo47b2o2b2o31bobo3bobo12b2o19b3o\$b3o12b2o38bobo26b2ob2o2bo2bobo33bo\$bo14bo41bo27bobo2b2o3bo\$17b3o7b2obo27b2o14b2o10bobo\$19bo7bob2o43b2o11bo!`

Updated lists:

`*******************************Hall of Pain (p39 to p77)*******************************59 1632441 1580858 1504062 1414154 1377051 1356643 1306542 1297157 1201773 1174571 1138539 1125253 1075256 1033261 1033249 1019276 1004455 917665 897663 8436`

`*******************************Hall of the Insane (p14 to p38)*******************************17 14363714 12974519 10695921 6757527 5398516 3999938 3878434 3110428 3001629 2914531 2295218 2275035 2136026 2040032 1722637 1680033 1600625 1576215 400420 3080`

EDIT: Trimmed one row off the p55.
chris_c

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

I think the idea of optimising guns according to bounding box is misguided; these guns are going to be placed far from the areas their gliders will work from and their bulk will not affect the important reactions. What I suggest is a parallel collection of glider guns with minimal population (to count this, ignore all gliders that have separated completely from the gun and are headed for an escape).
Princess of Science, Parcly Taxel

Freywa

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### Re: Execution of Old Guns by Variable-Speed Firing Squad

I also said sth similar and here's the response I got.
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Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Scorbie

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