is this c/10 spaceship known?

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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

codeholic wrote:The period of the gun has to be different because of Doppler effect.

Woops... so we need 438,852 - 65*4 = 438,592:

`x = 819, y = 825, rule = 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simsim314

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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Anyone up for building a fireship gun? Maybe we could name this gun "flamethrower"...

Anyway, here's the synthesis:

glider_rider wrote:Synthesis of the tagalong.
`x = 208, y = 68, rule = B3/S238\$88bo\$88bobo71bobo32bobo\$88b2o73b2o32b2o\$73bobo87bo34bo\$69bo4b2o\$69b2o3bo\$68bobo\$76bo85bo36bo\$76bobo84bo34bo\$76b2o83b3o34b3o\$6bobo8bobo\$7b2o8b2o\$7bo10bo78b2o2b2o15b2o2b2o14b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o\$97b2o2b2o15b2o2b2o14b2o2b2o34b2o2b2o3\$42b2o4b2o22b2o4b2o16b2o4b2o13b2o4b2o12b2o4b2o32b2o4b2o\$10b2o2b2o26bobo2bobo22bobo2bobo16bobo2bobo13bobo2bobo12bobo2bobo32bobo2bobo\$9bobo2bobo27bo2bo26bo2bo20bo2bo17bo2bo16bo2bo36bo2bo\$11bo2bo28bo4bo24bo4bo18bo4bo15bo4bo14bo4bo34bo4bo\$43bo4bo24bo4bo18bo4bo15bo4bo14bo4bo34bo4bo\$43bo4bo24bo4bo18bo4bo15bo4bo14bo4bo34bo4bo\$45b2o28b2o22b2o19b2o18b2o38b2o3\$45b2o\$7b3o6b3o26b2o\$9bo6bo\$8bo8bo57b2o22b2o19b2o18b2o38b2o\$75b2o22b2o19b2o18b2o20b2o16b2o16b2o\$161bobo34bobo\$123b2o12b2o4b2o18bo13b2o4b2o13bo\$122bo2bo10bo2bo2bo2bo30bo2bo2bo2bo\$41b3o60b2o9b2o6b2o12b2o4b2o32b2o4b2o\$43bo60bobo7bobo\$42bo12bo48bo11bo49bo13b2o13bo\$54b2o43b2o19b2o44b2o12b2o12b2o\$54bobo41bobo19bobo19b2o15b3o3bobo26bobo3b3o\$100bo19bo21bobo16bo38bo\$142bo17bo40bo\$136b2o\$135bobo\$137bo8\$164b2o30b2o\$165b2o28b2o\$164bo32bo!`

Also, since it's in all technicality a seperate spaceship, I created a seperate page on the wiki for it. Fireship
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

I'm surprised at how many clean still life syntheses exist, using *WSS and a copperhead.

Here is a tub:
`x = 11, y = 29, rule = B3/S232bo\$3bo\$3bo\$3bo\$3bo\$o2bo\$b3o10\$7b2o\$6bo2bo\$6bo2bo\$5bo4bo\$5bo4bo\$6b4o\$5b2o2b2o\$5bo4bo\$5bo4bo3\$6b4o\$7b2o!`

I have also found pond, block and a couple others, but generally quite surprised.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

`x = 13, y = 10, rule = B3/S2311bo\$11bo\$2o5bo2bo15bo\$2o3bob2ob3o13bo\$4b2ob2o6b2o5bo2bo15bo\$4b2ob2o6b2o3bob2ob3o13bo\$5bob2ob3o6b2ob2o6b2o5bo2bo15bo\$7bo2bo8b2ob2o6b2o3bob2ob3o13bo\$11bo8bob2ob3o6b2ob2o6b2o5bo2bo\$11bo10bo2bo8b2ob2o6b2o3bob2ob3o\$26bo8bob2ob3o6b2ob2o6b2o\$26bo10bo2bo8b2ob2o6b2o\$41bo8bob2ob3o\$41bo10bo2bo\$56bo\$56bo!`
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

1337 wrote:
`x = 13, y = 10, rule = B3/S2311bo\$11bo\$2o5bo2bo15bo\$2o3bob2ob3o13bo\$4b2ob2o6b2o5bo2bo15bo\$4b2ob2o6b2o3bob2ob3o13bo\$5bob2ob3o6b2ob2o6b2o5bo2bo15bo\$7bo2bo8b2ob2o6b2o3bob2ob3o13bo\$11bo8bob2ob3o6b2ob2o6b2o5bo2bo\$11bo10bo2bo8b2ob2o6b2o3bob2ob3o\$26bo8bob2ob3o6b2ob2o6b2o\$26bo10bo2bo8b2ob2o6b2o\$41bo8bob2ob3o\$41bo10bo2bo\$56bo\$56bo!`

Copperfuse! Nice find. (I just made that term up.)
`x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory58.2A\$58.2A3\$59.2A17.2A\$59.2A17.2A3\$79.2A\$79.2A2\$57.A\$56.A\$56.3A4\$27.A\$27.A.A\$27.2A21\$3.2A\$3.2A2.2A\$7.2A18\$7.2A\$7.2A2.2A\$11.2A11\$2A\$2A2.2A\$4.2A18\$4.2A\$4.2A2.2A\$8.2A!`
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Since the fireship is in all technicality a new ship in itself, has anyone searched for a true copperhead tagalong?

Or, perhaps more likely, a pushalong? Due to its blinker-bulldozing ability, which may or may not mean the front end could support something:

`x = 10, y = 18, rule = B3/S236b3o5\$4b2o\$3b4o2\$2b6o\$3b4o2\$2b2o2b2o\$2obo2bob2o\$3bo2bo3\$4b2o\$4b2o!`
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

I just calculated the heat of the fireship. It has a heat of 47.6.
`x = 81, y = 96, rule = LifeHistory58.2A\$58.2A3\$59.2A17.2A\$59.2A17.2A3\$79.2A\$79.2A2\$57.A\$56.A\$56.3A4\$27.A\$27.A.A\$27.2A21\$3.2A\$3.2A2.2A\$7.2A18\$7.2A\$7.2A2.2A\$11.2A11\$2A\$2A2.2A\$4.2A18\$4.2A\$4.2A2.2A\$8.2A!`
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Gamedziner wrote:I just calculated the heat of the fireship. It has a heat of 47.6.

I just verified this by hand, and got the same answer.

The wiki says the copperhead's heat is 27.8, while I get 26.8. That was calculated by the automatic algorithm I used to generate pattern images for my web page. I just did the calculation manually, and also got 26.8 (134 births + 134 deaths each cycle / 10). Can someone else please verify this result? I believe my algorithm is correct, but it would be nice to be sure.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

mniemiec wrote:
Gamedziner wrote:I just calculated the heat of the fireship. It has a heat of 47.6.

I just verified this by hand, and got the same answer.

The wiki says the copperhead's heat is 27.8, while I get 26.8. That was calculated by the automagic algorithm I used to generate pattern images for my web page. I just did the calculation manually, and also got 26.8 (134 births + 134 deaths each cycle / 10). Can someone else please verify this result? I believe my algorithm is correct, but it would be nice to be sure.

Has been confirmed. Also, I found a new, much simpler method of doing so that stays entirely within Golly:
1. Tile the pattern in space and time, with a time offset of one generation, until the number of copies equals the period. One way to do this:
1. Copy the original pattern.
3. Paste another copy of the original pattern at some sufficiently-large offset from the previous copy.
4. Repeat the last two steps, always using the same offset.
2. Select and copy the entire pattern, but don't cancel the selection.
4. In XOR mode, paste clipboard contents at the same place you copied it from. (This is why you don't cancel the selection.)
5. Dividing the resultant population by the period gives the heat of the original pattern.

(It's really much simpler than it sounds; I'm just not the best at explaining things.)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

mniemiec wrote:The wiki says the copperhead's heat is 27.8, while I get 26.8. That was calculated by the automagic algorithm I used to generate pattern images for my web page. ...

Oops! I just noticed that I used the word "automagic", which I sometimes use, but was a typo for "automatic" here.
Extrementhusiast wrote:Has been confirmed. Also, I found a new, much simpler method of doing so that stays entirely within Golly: ...

That's very similar to what I did by hand here to double-check. I used my my own DOS Life program, and did this:
1. Create n (in this case 10) copies of the pattern on one field, each advanced one generation from the previous. Save.
2. Convert to a living state in an unsupported color (e.g. dark brown).
3. Advance the entire field one generation.
4. Count the births, which are shown in bright white cells.
5. Re-load the pattern. Turn on shadows (i.e. ghosts of cells that were alive at one time). Advance the field one generation.
6. Count the shadows, which must have died in this generation. Verify that they match the births!
(Actually, to keep things simpler, I counted each of the ten images separately, and only counted the left half of each, as both spaceships are symmetrical).
It wouldn't surprise me if there were an even easier way to do it in Golly, by using a custom rule.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

mniemiec wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if there were an even easier way to do it in Golly, by using a custom rule.

If you placed the 10 phases of the ship and counted the population, advancing one step in B3/S0145678 will leave all cells that would be born and all cells that would die.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Has anyone searched for a true copperhead tagalong?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Less exciting fireship reactions:
`[M2] (golly 2.7)#R B3/S23\$\$\$\$\$\$\$.....**\$.....**\$\$\$\$\$\$\$....*..*\$4 1 0 2 05 0 0 3 06 0 0 4 0\$\$\$.**\$.**\$\$\$*..*\$4 0 0 0 65 0 0 7 06 0 0 0 87 0 0 5 98 0 0 10 09 0 0 11 0....*..*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$..***..*\$..*.****\$...*\$\$*\$*\$*\$*\$**\$.*\$*\$\$\$.....**\$.....**\$.....**\$...*\$.***\$***\$\$\$\$\$\$*\$***\$.***\$4 13 14 15 16**\$.*******\$..******\$....****\$\$\$....*..*\$....*..*\$..**\$***\$**\$...*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$..***..*\$..*.****\$...*\$*\$*\$*\$*\$**\$.*\$*\$4 18 19 20 215 17 0 22 0\$.....**\$.....**\$.....**\$...*\$.***\$***\$**\$\$\$\$\$*\$***\$.***\$..**\$.*******\$..******\$....****\$\$\$....*..*\$....*..*\$...*\$***\$**\$\$\$\$\$\$*\$4 24 25 26 27...*\$...*\$...*\$..***..*\$..*.****\$...*\$*\$*\$*\$**\$.*\$*\$.....**\$.....**\$.....**\$...*\$.***\$***\$**\$.*******\$\$\$\$*\$***\$.***\$..**\$***\$4 29 30 31 325 28 0 33 06 23 0 34 0\$.......*\$.......*\$.......*\$.......*\$......**\$......*\$.......*\$*..*\$....*\$....*\$....*\$....*\$*..***\$****.*\$....*\$\$\$\$\$\$.......*\$.....***\$....***\$\$\$.**\$.**\$.**\$....*\$....***\$.....***\$4 36 37 38 39....**\$.....***\$......**\$......**\$*******\$******\$****\$4 41 42 0 0\$\$\$\$\$\$...*..*\$...*..*\$..*....*\$..*....*\$..*....*\$..*....*\$.***..**\$.*.****\$..*....*\$\$\$\$\$*\$*\$4 44 0 45 465 40 0 43 47\$\$\$\$\$\$.......*\$.......*\$4 0 49 0 0\$....**\$....**\$....**\$..*....*\$***....*\$**\$*\$\$\$\$\$\$**\$***\$.**\$********\$.*******\$...****\$**\$*\$\$\$\$......*\$......*\$.....*\$4 51 52 53 54.....*\$.....*\$.....*\$....***\$....*.**\$.....*\$.......*\$.......*\$.......*\$.....*\$...***\$..***\$..**\$...*****\$4 0 56 0 575 50 55 0 586 0 48 0 59..******\$....****\$\$\$....*..*\$....*..*\$...*\$...*\$**\$\$\$\$\$\$*\$*\$...*\$...*\$..***..*\$..*.****\$...*\$\$\$.....**\$*\$*\$**\$.*\$*\$4 61 62 63 64.....**\$.....**\$...*\$.***\$***\$**\$.*******\$..******\$\$\$*\$***\$.***\$..**\$***\$**\$....****\$4 66 67 68 05 65 0 69 06 70 0 0 0....****\$......**\$4 0 72 0 05 0 73 0 06 0 74 0 07 35 60 71 75\$\$\$\$\$.*\$.*\$..*\$4 0 0 77 0..*\$..*\$..*\$.***\$**.*\$..*\$*\$*\$*\$..*\$..***\$...***\$....**\$*****\$4 79 0 80 05 78 0 81 06 0 0 82 0\$\$\$\$\$\$..**\$..**\$\$\$.*..*\$.*..*\$*....*\$*....*\$*....*\$*....*\$4 0 84 0 85.......*\$.......*\$**..***\$.****.*\$*....*\$\$\$..**\$..**\$..**\$\$......**\$.....***\$.....**\$......**\$.......*\$*....*\$*....***\$......**\$.......*\$********\$*******\$.****\$4 87 88 89 90\$\$*\$*\$4 0 0 92 05 86 0 91 93\$\$....*..*\$....*..*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$\$\$\$\$*\$*\$*\$*\$..***..*\$..*.****\$...*\$\$\$.....**\$.....**\$.....**\$**\$.*\$*\$4 95 96 97 98...*\$.***\$***\$**\$.*******\$..******\$....****\$*\$***\$.***\$..**\$***\$**\$\$\$.......*\$.......*\$......*\$......*\$......*\$......*\$4 100 101 0 1025 0 99 0 1036 0 94 0 104****\$**\$\$\$\$\$.*..*\$.*..*\$*....*\$*....*\$\$\$.......*\$.......*\$*....*\$*....*\$**..***\$.****.*\$*....*\$\$\$..**\$4 106 107 108 109\$\$\$......**\$.....***\$.....**\$......**\$.......*\$..**\$..**\$*....*\$*....***\$......**\$.......*\$********\$*******\$.****\$4 111 112 0 113\$\$\$....*..*\$....*..*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$\$\$\$\$\$*\$*\$*\$4 46 0 115 1165 110 0 114 117...*\$..***..*\$..*.****\$...*\$\$\$.....**\$.....**\$*\$**\$.*\$*\$.....**\$...*\$.***\$***\$**\$.*******\$..******\$....****\$\$*\$***\$.***\$..**\$***\$**\$4 119 120 121 1225 0 123 0 06 118 0 124 0.....***\$.....*.*\$......*\$......*\$....***\$...***\$...**\$....****\$.....***\$.......*\$4 0 126 0 1275 0 128 0 06 0 129 0 07 83 105 125 1308 76 131 0 0\$\$..*\$..*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$...*\$4 0 0 133 05 0 0 134 06 0 0 135 0..***\$***.*\$...*\$\$\$**\$**\$**\$...*\$...***\$....***\$.....**\$******\$*****\$***\$4 137 0 138 0\$\$..*..*\$..*..*\$.*....*\$.*....*\$.*....*\$.*....*\$***..***\$*.****.*\$.*....*\$\$\$...**\$...**\$...**\$4 0 140 0 1415 139 0 142 0\$.......*\$......**\$......**\$.......*\$.*....*\$**....**\$*......*\$\$********\$********\$..****\$4 144 145 0 0\$*\$**\$**\$*\$4 147 0 0 05 146 148 0 06 143 0 149 07 136 0 150 08 151 0 0 09 132 152 0 010 0 12 0 153`
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

A tractor beam based off one of my previous posts:
`[M2] (golly 2.7)#R B3/S23\$\$\$\$\$\$..*\$..*\$4 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 2\$\$\$\$\$\$*\$*\$4 0 0 0 45 0 0 0 56 0 0 3 6\$\$\$\$\$\$......*\$......*\$4 0 0 8 05 0 0 0 9\$\$\$\$\$\$....*\$....*\$4 0 0 11 05 0 0 0 126 0 0 10 137 0 0 7 144 0 0 1 05 0 0 0 164 0 0 4 05 0 0 0 186 0 0 17 197 0 0 20 08 0 0 15 21\$\$\$\$.......*\$.......*\$4 0 23 0 0......*\$....*.**\$...**.**\$...**.**\$*...*.**\$*.....*\$.*\$.***\$......**\$......**\$.***\$.*\$..*\$..*\$4 25 26 0 05 24 27 0 0\$\$.....*\$...*.**\$..**.**\$..**.**\$...*.**\$.....*\$.*\$.*\$*\$***\$.....**\$.....**\$***\$*\$.*\$.*\$4 29 30 0 31....*..*\$..*.**.*\$.**.**\$.**.**\$..*.**.*\$....*..*\$\$**\$....**\$....**\$**\$\$*\$*\$4 33 34 0 05 32 35 0 06 28 36 0 0.......*\$.......*\$...*..*\$.*.**.**\$**.**\$**.**\$.*.**.**\$...*..*\$\$\$.......*\$*......*\$...**\$...**\$*\$.......*\$.......*\$4 38 39 40 0..*..*\$*.**.***\$*.**\$*.**\$*.**.***\$..*..*\$......*\$......*\$\$\$..**\$..**...*\$......**\$......**\$.......*\$4 42 43 0 05 41 44 0 0.....*\$.....*\$.*..*\$.**.***\$.**\$.**\$.**.***\$.*..*\$\$......*\$.....**\$.....**\$.**...*\$.**\$.....*\$.....*\$4 46 47 48 0*..*\$**.***\$**\$**\$**.***\$*..*\$....*\$....*\$\$\$**.....*\$**...*.*\$....**.*\$....**.*\$.....*.*\$.......*\$4 50 51 0 05 49 52 0 06 45 53 0 07 37 54 0 0...*\$...*\$..*\$*.***\$*......*\$*......*\$*.***\$..*\$...*\$...*\$4 56 25 57 04 26 29 0 05 58 59 0 04 30 33 31 04 34 38 0 405 61 62 0 06 60 63 0 0\$\$\$*\$...**\$...**\$*\$4 65 0 0 05 66 0 0 06 67 0 0 07 64 68 0 08 55 69 0 09 0 22 0 70`
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

drc wrote:I think the best choice would be D2_+2

I called it.

Also is anybody still searching for valid tagalongs?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

How long until we see a semi-natural fireship? Probably in that symmetry as well.

What's its apgcode?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

muzik wrote:How long until we see a semi-natural fireship? Probably in that symmetry as well.

What's its apgcode?

Someone has already commented on its page: http://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xq10_ss1w1ssz0gommogz0r1gg1rzw5445/b3s23
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

`x = 145, y = 254, rule = B3/S2343b2o\$31bo2b2o6bobo\$29bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$29bo4bo4bo3b2o\$28bobo2bo4bo5bo\$28bobo2bo4bo5bo\$29bo4bo4bo3b2o\$29bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$31bo2b2o6bobo19b2o\$23b2o18b2o11bo6bo2bo\$15bo6bo2bo25b3ob2o6bo\$10b3ob2o6bo27b3o7b2o2b3o20b2o\$9b3o7b2o2b3o23bo3b2o4bo19bo6bo2bo\$8bo3b2o4bo30bo3b2o4bo14b3ob2o6bo\$8bo3b2o4bo31b3o7b2o2b3o6b3o7b2o2b3o\$9b3o7b2o2b3o25b3ob2o6bo8bo3b2o4bo\$10b3ob2o6bo33bo6bo2bo5bo3b2o4bo\$15bo6bo2bo38b2o7b3o7b2o2b3o\$23b2o49b3ob2o6bo\$79bo6bo2bo18b2o\$87b2o11bo6bo2bo\$95b3ob2o6bo\$94b3o7b2o2b3o\$60b2o20b2o9bo3b2o4bo\$60b2o20b2o9bo3b2o4bo\$94b3o7b2o2b3o\$15b2o8bo69b3ob2o6bo\$7bo6bo2bo6b3o73bo6bo2bo\$2b3ob2o6bo8bo3bo80b2o\$b3o7b2o2b3o4b3ob2o\$o3b2o4bo12b2o\$o3b2o4bo22b2o30b2o6b2o22b2o6b2o\$b3o7b2o2b3o15b2o30b2o6b2o22b2o6b2o\$2b3ob2o6bo\$7bo6bo2bo\$15b2o\$84b2o\$30b2o52b2o\$32bob2o\$30bob2ob2o\$30bobob2o56b2o\$32b2o50bo6bo2bo\$32bo46b3ob2o6bo\$78b3o7b2o2b3o\$77bo3b2o4bo\$77bo3b2o4bo\$78b3o7b2o2b3o\$79b3ob2o6bo\$84bo6bo2bo\$92b2o39\$38bo\$38bobo\$38b2o2\$24bo7b4o\$24bo6bo3bo\$20bo2bo12bo\$18bob2ob3o5b2o3bo\$17b2ob2o6b2o6bo\$17b2ob2o6b2o6bo25b2o\$18bob2ob3o5b2o3bo25bobo\$20bo2bo12bo25bo\$24bo6bo3bo\$24bo7b4o14\$57b2o\$45bo2b2o6bobo\$43bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$43bo4bo4bo3b2o\$42bobo2bo4bo5bo\$42bobo2bo4bo5bo\$43bo4bo4bo3b2o\$43bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$45bo2b2o6bobo\$57b2o8\$49b2o\$37bo2b2o6bobo\$35bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$35bo4bo4bo3b2o\$34bobo2bo4bo5bo\$34bobo2bo4bo5bo\$35bo4bo4bo3b2o\$35bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$37bo2b2o6bobo\$49b2o7\$63b2o\$62b2o\$64bo54\$126b2o\$114bo2b2o6bobo\$112bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$112bo4bo4bo3b2o\$111bobo2bo4bo5bo\$111bobo2bo4bo5bo\$112bo4bo4bo3b2o\$112bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$114bo2b2o6bobo\$126b2o5\$49b2o\$37bo2b2o6bobo\$35bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$35bo4bo4bo3b2o22b2o\$34bobo2bo4bo5bo22b2o\$34bobo2bo4bo5bo\$35bo4bo4bo3b2o\$35bo2bob2o5b2o2bo90b2o\$37bo2b2o6bobo26bo52bo2b2o6bobo\$49b2o26b3o48bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$77b3o48bo4bo4bo3b2o\$68b2o6bo3bo46bobo2bo4bo5bo\$68b2o6b4o47bobo2bo4bo5bo\$76bob2o48bo4bo4bo3b2o\$128bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$121b2o7bo2b2o6bobo\$109bo2b2o6bobo19b2o\$57b2o48bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$45bo2b2o6bobo39b2o7bo4bo4bo3b2o\$43bo2bob2o5b2o2bo26bo2b2o6bobo6bobo2bo4bo5bo\$43bo4bo4bo3b2o25bo2bob2o5b2o2bo5bobo2bo4bo5bo\$42bobo2bo4bo5bo25bo4bo4bo3b2o7bo4bo4bo3b2o\$42bobo2bo4bo5bo24bobo2bo4bo5bo7bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$43bo4bo4bo3b2o24bobo2bo4bo5bo9bo2b2o6bobo\$43bo2bob2o5b2o2bo24bo4bo4bo3b2o21b2o\$45bo2b2o6bobo25bo2bob2o5b2o2bo\$57b2o18b2o7bo2b2o6bobo\$67b3o5b2ob2o18b2o\$64bo10b2o2bo\$62b3o3b2o6b4o\$62bobo2b2o3b2o4b2o\$62bobo2b2o3b2o4b2o\$62b3o3b2o6b4o\$64bo10b2o2bo\$67b3o5b2ob2o\$77b2o!`
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

A smaller remake of my back and forth lwss thing on page 9.
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The forerake lost one fireship, the backrake two.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

The complexity of the thing just makes me want to live inside it.

Is it wiki page worthy?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

muzik wrote:The complexity of the thing just makes me want to live inside it.

Is it wiki page worthy?

Probably not a good idea. If you include objects like this, it seems like you should also include pages for the 168 rakes in Paul Tooke's high-period c/5 rake collection, for example... there are a lot of equivalently complex constructions out there.

A wiki page seems like a good idea if a pattern / object / mechanism has been mentioned by several people in several places, to the point where someone might want to look it up and find out what it is. Or maybe if it provides a new solution to a problem, so that people might want to use it as part of larger patterns.

Generally you can safely wait a year or two and see if those larger patterns actually show up, before adding a definition for the component...!

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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

dvgrn wrote: see if those larger patterns actually show up,

?

Are you meaning that I should probably add a page if there's a significant and notable technological breakthrough in c/10 rake technology?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

muzik wrote:Are you meaning that I should probably add a page if there's a significant and notable technological breakthrough in c/10 rake technology?

Well, I'm just making this stuff up as I go along, just like everyone else. But yes -- let's say someone comes up with a new period 10N tagalong for pairs of c/10 fireships, and the sparks from two pairs can interact to make a new small p10N c/10 rake. That new rake would be small enough that it would inevitably get used as a component in larger constructions -- just like the "back and forth LWSS thing" used six copies of glider_rider's c/10 rake, with adjustments here and there.

But even glider_rider's rake is big enough that it doesn't really need its own entry in the LifeWiki. If someone wants to find out what high-period rakes have been built from copperheads and fireships, there's already a link in the fireship article that will lead them to the right place.

There are certainly much smaller c/10 rakes out there waiting to be found, with a little experimentation -- and once they're found, they'll probably get used in most future c/10 constructions. At that point a separate article on "glider_rider's c/10 rake" would be kind of anachronistic.

Anyway -- again, this is all just my opinion, but it seems like there are plenty of red links left to turn blue in the LifeWiki, before we have to worry about naming and defining brand-new large composite spaceships like this one.

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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

It's true, the hole structure is mostly trivial. The slow speed and the horizontal variability of the block eating fireships in the glider_rider's c10 rake make it easy to fix the construct, even for someone with my limited skills. The idea was to reduce the count of fireships by merging the different circuits and giving some fireships more than one job.
There is one little improvement. At the forerake on the left side the two circuits at the bottom are pretty interlaced. The glider leaving the left circuit snagged on the right circuit. So i had the fireship that formed an obstacle to move in the direction of its ship in front. That shortens the glider_rider's c10 rake.

I tried to scale down the c10 p192 lwss backrake again. Still there are the three circuits, but now it is quite compact and lost another two fireships.

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I used it in this lwss collision scenario, lent from broken lines.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Nothing much:

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What I want to see is the other way round: a glider-to-copperhead or glider-to-fireship conduit. We already have a ridiculous space rakes to loafers conduit, so let's see what we can do with c/10.
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