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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby wwei23 » July 2nd, 2017, 9:33 am

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:
Sokwe wrote:Very cool! I would be surprised if a puffer couldn't be built from this, although the slow speed of the ship doesn't help it, as a lot of the glider collisions destroy the ship. It can clear blocks and blinkers, so a simple puffer could lead to a rake.


The tagalong actually makes the already strong rear end of the Copperhead even stronger. Wow...

I cringed when the front end of the fireship interacted with the debris...amazing that it survived.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby wwei23 » July 2nd, 2017, 12:09 pm

Loafer to block:
x = 12, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$5bo2bo$5bo2bo$4bo4bo$4bo4bo$5b4o$4b2o2b2o$4bo4bo$4bo4bo3$5b4o$6b
2o2$3b2o4b2o$2bo2bo2bo2bo$3b3o2b3o$3b2o4b2o14$7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o2$
2bo5bo$bobo3bo$o2bo3b2o$o2b2o3bo!

x = 12, y = 40, rule = B3/S23
5b4o$5bo2bo$4b6o3$3bo2b2o2bo$3bob4obo$3bobo2bobo3$6b2o$6b2o2$3b2o4b2o$
3b3o2b3o$2bo2bo2bo2bo$2b2ob4ob2o$3b8o14$7bo$6bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o2$2bo5bo$
bobo3bo$o2bo3b2o$o2b2o3bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » July 2nd, 2017, 3:39 pm

Reflects a glider into the junk with lethal consequences
x = 24, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
4bo2bo$4bo2bo$3bo4bo$3bo4bo$3bo4bo$3bo4bo9b2o$2b3o2b3o7bo2bo$2bob4obo
6b2o2b2o$3bo4bo7b2o2b2o$16bob2obo$18b2o$5b2o9bo4bo$5b2o8b2o4b2o$5b2o$
3bo4bo$b3o4b3o7b2o$3o6b3o5bo2bo$2o8b2o5bo2bo$b10o$2b8o5b2o4b2o$4b4o6bo
2bo2bo2bo$14bo2bo2bo2bo$15bobo2bobo3$8b2o$8bobo$8bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby wwei23 » July 2nd, 2017, 3:41 pm

WHOOPS
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Ethanagor » July 2nd, 2017, 5:22 pm

wwei23 wrote:WHOOPS

You ok there?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby wwei23 » July 2nd, 2017, 7:03 pm

Yes. I said whoops because the fireship reflected a glider into the debris, but that caused the debris to destroy it.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » July 3rd, 2017, 5:21 am

There isn't really much need for additional commentary if it doesn't add much academical/educational/etc value to the conversation.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby christoph r. » July 3rd, 2017, 12:56 pm

Wiith a guard you can the mess left behind.
x = 40, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
19b2o2b2o$21b2o$b2o2b2o14b2o$3b2o13bobo2bobo$3b2o13bo6bo7b4o$obo2bobo
25bo2bo$o6bo10bo6bo6b6o$19b2o2b2o$o6bo12b4o$b2o2b2o24bo2b2o2bo$2b4o15b
2o8bob4obo$20bo2bo7bobo2bobo$3b2o$2bo2bo13bo4bo$18b2o4b2o8b2o$bo4bo12b
ob2obo9b2o$2o4b2o12b4o$bob2obo14b2o8b2o4b2o$2b4o25b3o2b3o$3b2o25bo2bo
2bo2bo$30b2ob4ob2o$31b8o3$23b3o$23bo$24bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby christoph r. » July 3rd, 2017, 1:06 pm

Another guard
x = 40, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
19b2o2b2o$b2o2b2o14b2o$3b2o16b2o$3b2o13bobo2bobo$obo2bobo10bo6bo7b4o$o
6bo25bo2bo$18bo6bo6b6o$o6bo11b2o2b2o$b2o2b2o13b4o$2b4o25bo2b2o2bo$21b
2o8bob4obo$3b2o15bo2bo7bobo2bobo$2bo2bo$19bo4bo$bo4bo11b2o4b2o8b2o$2o
4b2o11bob2obo9b2o$bob2obo13b4o$2b4o15b2o8b2o4b2o$3b2o26b3o2b3o$30bo2bo
2bo2bo$30b2ob4ob2o$31b8o3$23b3o$23bo$24bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby christoph r. » July 3rd, 2017, 2:27 pm

Yet another
x = 50, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
4bo2bo22b4o$4bo2bo22bo2bo$3bo4bo20b6o$3bo4bo$3bo4bo35b2o$3bo4bo19bo2b
2o2bo8b2o$2b3o2b3o18bob4obo7bo2bo$2bob4obo18bobo2bobo7b4o$3bo4bo33bob
2obo$43bo2bo$31b2o$5b2o24b2o9b2o2b2o$5b2o34bo6bo$5b2o21b2o4b2o$3bo4bo
19b3o2b3o6bo4bo$b3o4b3o16bo2bo2bo2bo6bo2bo$3o6b3o15b2ob4ob2o7b2o$2o8b
2o16b8o$b10o30b2o4b2o$2b8o30bo2bo2bo2bo$4b4o33b2o4b2o$42bo4bo2$32b2o$
32bobo$32bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby christoph r. » July 3rd, 2017, 3:48 pm

Rocket out off the dust
x = 109, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
4bo2bo22b4o$4bo2bo22bo2bo51b2o$3bo4bo20b6o48b2o2b2o$3bo4bo76b2o16b2o$
3bo4bo35b2o36bo6bo11b2o2b2o$3bo4bo19bo2b2o2bo8b2o37bo4bo14b2o$2b3o2b3o
18bob4obo7bo2bo24b4o10b2o13bo6bo$2bob4obo18bobo2bobo7b4o35b3o2b3o11bo
4bo$3bo4bo33bob2obo23bo2bo7b2o4b2o13b2o$43bo2bo23bob2obo24b3o2b3o$31b
2o37bo4bo24b2o4b2o$5b2o24b2o9b2o2b2o37b2o$5b2o34bo6bo21bo4bo8bo2bo$5b
2o21b2o4b2o34b2o2b2o27b2o$3bo4bo19b3o2b3o6bo4bo22b6o7bo4bo13bo2bo$b3o
4b3o16bo2bo2bo2bo6bo2bo24bo2bo7b2o4b2o$3o6b3o15b2ob4ob2o7b2o26b2o7bo2b
o2bo2bo10bo4bo$2o8b2o16b8o36b2o7b2ob4ob2o9b2o4b2o$b10o30b2o4b2o34bo4bo
10bo2bo2bo2bo$2b8o30bo2bo2bo2bo19b2o4b2o22b2ob4ob2o$4b4o33b2o4b2o20b2o
4b2o24bo4bo$42bo4bo21b2o4b2o2$32b2o37bo2bo$32bobo$32bo!

Two of muzik's mud-slinger, the left stabilised with guard 3, the right stabilised with guard 1 result in a lwss.
I know its completely useless and accidentaly,but it hits exactly the gap between the two fireship-combinations.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby gmc_nxtman » July 9th, 2017, 5:01 pm

Copperhead down to 14 gliders, removing the fumarole + two blocks workaround:

x = 48, y = 37, rule = B3/S23
3bo40bo$4bo38bo$2b3o19bo18b3o$23b2o$23bobo2$12b3o6b2o$14bo5bobo$13bo8b
o13b2o$36bobo$36bo13$23b2o$23b2o2$3b2o38b2o$2bobo38bobo$4bo38bo4$7bo
32bo$7b2o30b2o$3o3bobo30bobo3b3o$2bo42bo$bo44bo!


I suspect that the glider + domino spark can be replaced as well, now that the top has so much more clearance.

EDIT: Much more compact:

x = 34, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
2bobo24bobo$3b2o24b2o$3bo26bo$18b2o$17b2o$14b2o3bo$13bobo$15bo3$20bo$
3b2o14b2o8b2o$4b2o13bobo6b2o$3bo26bo$13bo$13b2o$12bobo$7b2o16b2o$bo4bo
bo16bobo4bo$b2o5bo16bo5b2o$obo8b3o17bobo$13bo$12bo$22b3o$22bo$23bo!


Repeat time is 197.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby dvgrn » July 10th, 2017, 11:21 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Copperhead down to 14 gliders, removing the fumarole + two blocks workaround:
...
EDIT: Much more compact:
...
Repeat time is 197.

Very nice! Somewhat surprisingly, but not too surprising really given how bloomin' slow the copperhead is, that repeat time still holds when the recipe is converted to 16 gliders coming from just two directions:

x = 180, y = 86, rule = B3/S23
125b2o$125bobo$125bo2$86bo$86b2o$53b2o30bobo$52bobo$54bo2$99bo$98b2o$
98bobo2$115b2o$114b2o$63b2o51bo$62bobo$64bo3$117bo$52b2o62b2o8b2o$53b
2o61bobo6b2o$52bo74bo$62bo$62b2o$61bobo$56b2o64b2o$50bo4bobo64bobo4bo$
50b2o5bo64bo5b2o$49bobo8b3o65bobo$62bo$61bo$119b3o$119bo$120bo13$175bo
$174b2o$174bobo3$36b3o$4bo33bo$4b2o31bo$3bobo3$147b3o$147bo$148bo$164b
2o$164bobo$14bo149bo$14b2o$13bobo4$3b2o160b3o7b2o$2bobo160bo9bobo$4bo
161bo8bo2$12b3o$14bo$7bo5bo158bo$7b2o162b2o$3o3bobo162bobo3b3o$2bo8b2o
164bo$bo10b2o164bo$11bo$169b2o$168b2o$170bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Goldtiger997 » July 11th, 2017, 8:58 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Copperhead down to 14 gliders, removing the fumarole + two blocks workaround:...EDIT: Much more compact:...Repeat time is 197.


Great work gmc_nxtman! It's a shame you didn't find this synthesis before I started and finished the glider-to-copperhead converter! I tried to optimise the repeat time by looking through the syntheses generated by chris_c's popseq script (which is how I assume you did it), but you had already found the best one. Really, I think that running popseq to find the top part of the copperhead should have been done much earlier, so good thinking.

I tried to improve the synthesis by making the block and the pi at once, but all the ways I tried had there own problems (such as getting in the way of the eater, too fast, etc). Here are all the 3-glider methods I tried in case anyone else wants to have a go:

x = 239, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
227bo$228bo$226b3o$113bo47bo$113bobo46bo$113b2o45b3o2$189bobo$190b2o$
190bo4$49b2o$48bobo$b2o7b2o38bo147bo29b2o$obo6b2o150b2o26b2o6b2o28bobo
$2bo8bo46b3o42b3o54bobo25bobo6bobo29bo$58bo46bo56bo27bo$59bo44bo132bo$
170b3o63b2o$10b2o100b2o56bo65bobo$10bobo46b3o50bobo56bo$10bo48bo52bo$
60bo!

Unfortunately to extend to the fireship, I needed to use the less compact synthesis because the block has to be formed after the pi, which would not give enough time to make the fireship part. Here is a fireship synthesis in 20 gliders:

x = 168, y = 167, rule = B3/S23
2bobo158bobo$3b2o158b2o$3bo160bo23$138bobo$138b2o$139bo$29bobo$30b2o$
30bo7$136bobo$136b2o$137bo82$143b2o$143bobo$143bo$13bo$13b2o6b2o$12bob
o7b2o$21bo134b2o$155b2o$157bo8$26b2o$27b2o103b2o$26bo105bobo$132bo5$3b
2o158b2o$4b2o156b2o$3bo160bo4$7b2o150b2o$bo4bobo150bobo4bo$b2o5bo150bo
5b2o$obo162bobo7$7b2o$8b2o$7bo139bo$146b2o8b3o$146bobo7bo$157bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby gmc_nxtman » July 11th, 2017, 9:15 pm

Thanks! And yes, I did use popseq to complete the synthesis. Nice job on the fireship synthesis. EDIT: The repeat time is 387. 390 seems like a good period for a gun there.

It's also good to know that a copperhead v-gun can be made if necessary - 200 seems like a good period.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby dvgrn » July 12th, 2017, 2:13 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:Thanks! And yes, I did use popseq to complete the synthesis.

While this is still fresh in people's minds, what's the smallest number of synchronized gliders that can hit a constellation of smallish still lifes, to produce those sparks and build a copperhead?

It looks like it's maybe just three gliders at the top (or less?), and two pairs of synchronized gliders on each side toward the bottom. One glider in each pair would provide a domino spark to modify the other glider.

22 gliders was a bit much, but seven gliders isn't an impossible synchronization problem. I'd like to see how much bigger a 1G (i.e., triggered by one glider) copperhead seed constellation would have to be, compared to the Cordership seed and loafer seed.

gmc_nxtman wrote:It's also good to know that a copperhead v-gun can be made if necessary - 200 seems like a good period.

I've given up the gun-building business -- but a V-shaped glider-to-copperhead converter certainly might happen at some point. (And then anyone is welcome to attach a p200 gun, of course.)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » August 1st, 2017, 9:29 am

Apparently the back spark from a single fireship can reflect gliders. Can someone provide me with an example of one doing this to stop the wiki from being considered an allegedly disgusting, defective website?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby gmc_nxtman » August 1st, 2017, 9:42 am

x = 15, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
9b2o$9b2o$8bo2bo$8b4o$7bob2obo$8bo2bo2$7b2o2b2o$6bo6bo2$7bo4bo$8bo2bo$
9b2o2$6b2o4b2o$5bo2bo2bo2bo$6b2o4b2o$7bo4bo4$2o$b2o$o!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby christoph r. » August 1st, 2017, 4:06 pm

Example of 2 fireships reflecting a glider reverse.
x = 28, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
14b4o2$14bo2bo$13bob2obo$13bo4bo$2b4o$13bo4bo$2bo2bo7b2o2b2o$bob2obo6b
6o$bo4bo7bo2bo$15b2o$bo4bo8b2o$b2o2b2o$b6o5b2o4b2o$2bo2bo6b2o4b2o$3b2o
7b2o4b2o$3b2o$14bo2bo$2o4b2o$2o4b2o$2o4b2o2$2bo2bo4$26bo$25b2o$25bobo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby christoph r. » August 4th, 2017, 7:24 am

2 fireships and 2 glider
x = 35, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
20b2o$12bo6bo2bo$7b3ob2o6bo$6b3o7b2o2b3o$5bo3b2o4bo$5bo3b2o4bo$6b3o7b
2o2b3o$7b3ob2o6bo$12bo6bo2bo$20b2o3$15b2o$7bo6bo2bo$2b3ob2o6bo$b3o7b2o
2b3o$o3b2o4bo$o3b2o4bo$b3o7b2o2b3o$2b3ob2o6bo$7bo6bo2bo$15b2o4$27b2o$
27bobo$27bo5$32b2o$32bobo$32bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby wwei23 » August 19th, 2017, 2:24 pm

EricG wrote:noodling around

LOLOL
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby drc » August 19th, 2017, 2:57 pm

wwei23 wrote:
EricG wrote:noodling around

LOLOL

Stop making irrelevant comments on these threads. Keep then to the random posts page.
You keep doing this and it's not amusing to anybody. Hopefully you'll learn to stop before you get banned, which I imagine is very soon.
This post was brought to you by the letter D, for dishes that Andrew J. Wade won't do. (Also Daniel, which happens to be me.)

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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby dvgrn » August 19th, 2017, 3:04 pm

wwei23 wrote:
EricG wrote:noodling around

LOLOL

Hmm, another necropost --
outside of the Sandbox --
referring to a random post from more than a year ago --
adding nothing new or interesting to that post --
and not even quoting enough of EricG's ancient message to give context
(that old post at least might have been interesting.)

What on Earth are you thinking?

Once again, this is an academic forum, not a chat or microblogging platform.

@wwei23, I've made two attempts to warn you about problem messages like this, just in the last few days. This last posting seems pointlessly inconsiderate enough that I'll try a one-day ban to see if I can get your attention.

If the next message is anything similar, the next ban will probably be a week or more. Please don't do this kind of thing again outside the Sandbox. That's what the Sandbox was created for, so that nobody would feel the need to make a mess of the other boards.
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