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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 10th, 2015, 6:10 pm

Reaction that creates an elevener and a rare fourteen-bitter, as well as a bit of other junk:
x = 20, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
15bo$2bo10b2o$bobo10b2o$o2bo$b2o3$3b3o$3bo$4bo$9bo$8bo8b2o$8b3o6bobo$
4b3o10bo$4bo$5bo5$3o$o$bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby BlinkerSpawn » October 10th, 2015, 7:25 pm

Which gives an 11G synthesis of 14-121:
x = 73, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
63b2o$63bobo$61b2o2bo$42bo19bobo$29bo10b2o19bo2b2o$28bobo10b2o18b2o$
27bo2bo39bo$28b2o40bobo$59bo10b2o$10bo47bobo5b2o$9bo20b3o25bobo5bobo$
9b3o18bo28bo8bo$31bo24bo11b3o$36bo19b2o13bo$35bo8b2o9bobo12b2o$35b3o6b
obo$31b3o10bo$31bo$32bo$67bo$b2o64bo$obo64bo$2bo$27b3o34b2o$27bo35bobo
$28bo36bo!

The database says the previous best synthesis was thirteen, but I'm not sure how up to date that is.
On an unrelated note, an elevener can turn a glider 90 degrees:
x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
6bo$6bobo$6b2o$2o$obo$2bo$2b3o$5bo$4b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby biggiemac » October 10th, 2015, 10:16 pm

That can be reduced to 8, but I also haven't checked Bob Shemyakin's results, which could contain a 5 or 6.
x = 29, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
24bo$11bo10b2o$10bobo10b2o$9bo2bo$10b2o3$12b3o$12bo$13bo$18bo$17bo8b2o
$17b3o6bobo$13b3o10bo$13bo$14bo2$bo$b2o$obo!

Edit: verified, Bob's table doesn't contain 14-121 in 4G, 5G or 6G. I think that means this 8 is the best known.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Scorbie » October 11th, 2015, 3:35 am

Kazyan: "Bellman, can you turn a B-heptomino's natural block into a beehive?"
Me: "What were you looking for? Can that beehive in that position be turned into a B-heptomino in the same spot? (triggered by a glider?)"
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby BobShemyakin » October 11th, 2015, 5:11 am

biggiemac wrote:That can be reduced to 8, but I also haven't checked Bob Shemyakin's results, which could contain a 5 or 6.
x = 29, y = 20, rule = B3/S23
24bo$11bo10b2o$10bobo10b2o$9bo2bo$10b2o3$12b3o$12bo$13bo$18bo$17bo8b2o
$17b3o6bobo$13b3o10bo$13bo$14bo2$bo$b2o$obo!

Edit: verified, Bob's table doesn't contain 14-121 in 4G, 5G or 6G. I think that means this 8 is the best known.

This is an improvement. In my database was 13G.

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Kazyan » October 11th, 2015, 6:04 am

Scorbie wrote:Kazyan: "Bellman, can you turn a B-heptomino's natural block into a beehive?"
Me: "What were you looking for? Can that beehive in that position be turned into a B-heptomino in the same spot? (triggered by a glider?)"


Yes, like this:

x = 15, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
obo$b2o$bo8$8b2o$7bo2bo$8b2o2$12bo$11bobo$11bo2bo$12b2o!


That came out of an ongoing project, which isn't too far from completion. (When it's done, I'll suddenly have a lot to say.)
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 13th, 2015, 11:20 am

While trying to find a stable glider pusher, I found this weird eater catalyst:

x = 19, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
17b2o$17bo$15bobo$15b2o3$9bo$10bo$bo6b3o$obo$2o$15b2o$9b2o4bobo$9b2o6b
o$17b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby mniemiec » October 13th, 2015, 2:38 pm

gmc_nxtman wrote:While trying to find a stable glider pusher, I found this weird eater catalyst:

As this consumes two objects, and produces two others in a different position, it doesn't really come anywhere near qualifying as a catalyst. The only thing that recovers is the eater, which is only 1/3 of whole thing.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Scorbie » October 13th, 2015, 10:29 pm

mniemiec wrote:
gmc_nxtman wrote:While trying to find a stable glider pusher, I found this weird eater catalyst:

As this consumes two objects, and produces two others in a different position, it doesn't really come anywhere near qualifying as a catalyst. The only thing that recovers is the eater, which is only 1/3 of whole thing.
Hehe I think he is talking about the peculiar eater reaction on the top right... I'm pretty sure he knows the pattern itself is not useful. And yes, that kinda thing occasionally happens as a pleasant surprise in ptbsearch and Catgl. In a similar note, I've found a boat catalysis of a pi in which the boat is transformed into a tub and recovers to a boat again. (I am not talking about the p8 pi-to-HWSS factory, which exhibits similar behavior:) )
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby gmc_nxtman » October 17th, 2015, 2:55 pm

Weird component:

x = 11, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
7bo$6bo$6b3o2$4b2o$3bobo$b3obobo$o3bo2b3o$2o2bobo3bo$3b2ob2ob2o!


Glider + 5SL = Unix + B:

x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
16bo$15bobo$9bo5b2o$7bobo$8b2o$11b2o$10bo2bo$5b2o4b2o$2o2bo2bo$2o2bo2b
o$5b2o3$5b2o$5b2o!


And finally, the following accidental p22 caribou hassler reaction:

x = 50, y = 46, rule = B3/S23
47bo$47bobo$47b2o3$42bo$41bo$41b3o4$36bo$22b2o5b2o5bobo$22bo7bo5b2o$
23b3ob3o$25bobo$26bo4bo$30bo$30b3o6$17b2o9b2o$18b2o7b2o$17bo6b2o3bo$
23bobo$25bo$12bo21bo$12b2o19b2o$11bobo19bobo$18b3o$20bo$19bo$6b2o31b2o
$7b2o29b2o$6bo6b2o25bo$12bobo$14bo$bo43bo$b2o41b2o$obo41bobo$7b3o$9bo$
8bo!


Which I made into this p46 caribou hassler:

x = 99, y = 78, rule = B3/S23
67b2o5b2o$63b2o2b2o5b2o2b2o$63b2o13b2o6$68bo5bo$67b3o3b3o$67bob2ob2obo
$69b2ob2o$69b2ob2o$69b2ob2o11$69bo$68bo$54b2o5b2o5b3o$54bo7bo$29b2o5bo
18b3ob3o$29b2o4bobo19bobo$34bo3bo18bobo$34bo3bo19bo13b2ob2o$33b3ob3o
15bo15bo5bo$34bo3bo16b2o$34b2ob2o15bobo13bo7bo$35bobo32bo2bobo2bo$36bo
33b3o3b3o5$31bo3bo$31bo3bo$72b2ob2o$43b2o21b2o5bobo$28b2obo3bob2o5b2o
19b2o6bobo20b2o$29b3o3b3o5bo6b2o15bo6bo21b2o$b2o27bo5bo12bobo$b2o48bo
31bo$13bo68b2o13b2o$12b2o8b2o32bo24b2o14b2o$2o9b3obo5bo2bo29bo3b2o9b2o
11b2o2b2o$2o8b2o8b2ob3o27b2obob2o9bobo$11b2o8b2obo27b2o6bo10bo$12bo10b
o29b2obob2o9b3o$54bo3b2o22b2o2b2o$12bo43bo24b2o14b2o$11b2o69b2o13b2o$
2o8b2o13b2o11b3o28b3o11bo$2o9b3obo9b2o13bo11b2o17bo$12b2o25bo12b2o15bo
bo24b2o$13bo55b2o25b2o$b2o$b2o$22b2obo$17b3o2b2o2bo$18b2o6bo$6bo12b3o
3b2o3b3o3bo$4b3o13bo3bo3b5o2bobo$3bo23b2o3b2o3bo$4b3o13bo3bo3b2o3bo2bo
$6bo12b3o3b2o2bo3b3o$18b2o6bo$17b3o2b2o2bo2bo3b3o$22b2obo2b2o3bo2bo$
27b2o3b2o3bo12b2o$28b5o2bobo12b2o$30b3o3bo!


The known p22 gun is quite small, however I haven't been able to make the SW glider pairs using p22 guns. I haven't found any p22 reflectors either. Does anyone know of other options?
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Scorbie » October 31st, 2015, 8:10 am

Each half of MikeP's prepulsar stabilization actually works independently:
x = 24, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
2b2o16b2o$bo2bo14bo2bo$bobo8b3o5bobo$2ob2o14b2ob2o$10bo5bo$2ob2o5bo5bo
2b2ob2o$bobo6bo5bo3bobo$bobo8b3o5bo2bo$2ob2o16b2o$bobo8b3o$bobo6bo5bo$
2ob2o5bo5bo2bo$10bo5bobobo$2ob2o14bo$bobo8b3o$bo2bo$2b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Scorbie » November 4th, 2015, 9:31 am

A small precursor for the ship_and_eater that can work in limited directions... Not sure how useful this is.
x = 7, y = 8, rule = B3/S23
6bo$4b3o$3bo$3b2o2$2o$b2o$bo!

EDIT: a transparent block that came out from an opaque search:
x = 24, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
ob3obo$bo5b2o$2bob2o2bo$o3b5o$bob3ob2o$4b2o2bo$4obob3o$2bo3bo$bobobobo
bo$3o2b3o14b2o$22b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby gmc_nxtman » November 7th, 2015, 11:56 pm

4 Gliders + Big S = CarrierScarrier + 2 Gliders:

x = 7, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bo$4b3o3$bobo$2b2o$2bo2$b2o$o2bo$2obo$3bob2o$3bo2bo$4b2o2$4bo$3b
2o$3bobo3$3o$2bo$bo!


Bi-loaf to bi-mango using butterfly:

x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
6bo$6bo$6bo$2bo4b3o$bobo$o2bo$b2ob2o$3bo2bo$3bobo$4bo!


And another transparent block seed:

x = 7, y = 9, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bobo$4bobo$5bo2$2o$2o2b2o$3b2o$5bo!


EDIT: An amusing transparent century eater:

x = 8, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
5b3o$5bobo$2o2bo2bo$2o2b2o!


Perhaps one of the sparks to the right could be perturbed to yield a C-to-X conduit?
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » November 9th, 2015, 10:09 pm

If anybody wants to create a snake with Herschel conduits, be my guest:
x = 29, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
3.2D$4.D$3.D$3.2D6$25.2A$25.A$26.3A$28.A5$11.3C7.2A$12.C8.A.A$.2C9.3C
8.A$C2.C19.2A$.2C!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby A for awesome » November 14th, 2015, 12:39 pm

Whoa!
x = 29, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7bo17bo$3bob3o13bob3o$3b2o16b2o$6b2o16b2o$b5ob3o9b5ob3o$bo8bo8bo8bo$4b
2ob3o12b2ob3o$4b2obo14b2obo$b2o$obo19bo$2bo18bobo$21bobo$22bo!
x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Kazyan » November 14th, 2015, 12:45 pm

A for awesome wrote:Whoa!
x = 29, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
7bo17bo$3bob3o13bob3o$3b2o16b2o$6b2o16b2o$b5ob3o9b5ob3o$bo8bo8bo8bo$4b
2ob3o12b2ob3o$4b2obo14b2obo$b2o$obo19bo$2bo18bobo$21bobo$22bo!


Whoa, indeed! I'll have to remember this one; it would have been handy in a few corner-case reactions.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby codeholic » November 15th, 2015, 1:45 pm

A single block eats a beehive basically the same way.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby M. I. Wright » November 15th, 2015, 2:28 pm

codeholic wrote:A single block eats a beehive basically the same way.

But a single block can't eat a glider, and a regular eater 2 can't eat a beehive.
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Sphenocorona » November 15th, 2015, 10:11 pm

codeholic wrote:A single block eats a beehive basically the same way.

For a moment I thought that it might actually finally make this a functional H->Pi conduit:
x = 16, y = 24, rule = LifeHistory
13.3D$15.D$8.2C3.3D$8.2C17$3C7.2C$.C8.C.C$.3C8.C$12.2C!

Sadly it sticks out too far and doesn't even successfully survive its third encounter anyway. Besides, the transparent block is another problem...
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby gmc_nxtman » November 16th, 2015, 12:17 am

Strange component:

x = 13, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
9bobo$9b2o$10bo2$2obob2o3b2o$ob2obo4bobo$5bobo3bo$5b2obo$8bo$8b2o!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby BlinkerSpawn » November 19th, 2015, 10:09 pm

Was firing gliders into a hive + blinker constellation that had come up while playing with catalysts when I stumbled across this.
The 13-bitter is in mniemiec's database as a 9G object, and I can't find a count for the 17-bit SL.
x = 48, y = 31, rule = Life
20bo$18b2o$19b2o2$11bo$9bobo$10b2o3$44b2o$44b2o4$17bo29bo$17bo29bo$17b
o29bo$11b2o28b2o$10bo2bo26bo2bo$11b2o2b3o23b2o2b3o$15bo29bo$16bo29bo7$
b2o28b2o$obo27bobo$2bo29bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby mniemiec » November 20th, 2015, 12:21 am

BlinkerSpawn wrote:Was firing gliders into a hive + blinker constellation that had come up while playing with catalysts when I stumbled across this.
The 13-bitter is in mniemiec's database as a 9G object, and I can't find a count for the 17-bit SL.
x = 48, y = 31, rule = Life
20bo$18b2o$19b2o2$11bo$9bobo$10b2o3$44b2o$44b2o4$17bo29bo$17bo29bo$17b
o29bo$11b2o28b2o$10bo2bo26bo2bo$11b2o2b3o23b2o2b3o$15bo29bo$16bo29bo7$
b2o28b2o$obo27bobo$2bo29bo!

Which database are you looking at? 13.217 takes 5 gliders, and 17.2203 takes 7 gliders. Both are made the same way - 3 gliders for a hat, then 2 gliders to add an eater head on one or both sides. That mechanism has been well known for a long time, and the raw synthesis files I have date back to 2000, and that was the last time they were edited. I am curious where a 9-glider synthesis came from.
x = 31, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
2bobo$3b2o$3bo2$b2o21b2o$obo21bo$2bo3b2ob2o14b3ob2o$7bobo17bobo$7bobo
17bobo$8bo19bo!
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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby hought99 » November 20th, 2015, 5:13 pm

Sokwe wrote:
Bullet51 wrote:A useless p18 from Randagar

This was first found by Gabriel Nivasch in October 2002. It's included in the jslife oscillator collection, supported by jams:
and is extensible
x = 80, y = 96, rule = B3/S23
11$33b2o$32bo2bo$33bobo$29b2o3bo$30bob2o$32bo$32bo5bo$37bo2bo$18b2o11b
5o4bo6bo$17bo2bo12b2o5bo5b2o$18bobo7b5o7bobo$14b2o3bo13bo6bobob3o2bo$
15bob2o8bo5bo3b3ob2o3bobobo$17bo10bo4b3obo3b2o4bo2bo$17bo5bo13bo4bo5b
2o$22bo2bo3bo4bo$16b5o4bo3b2o3bob3o4bo$18b2o5bo3b2ob3o3bo5bo$13b5o7bob
obobo6bo$18bo6bobobobo7b5o$12bo5bo3b3ob2o3bo5b2o$13bo4b3obo3b2o3bo4b5o
5bo$22bo4bo3bo2bo10bo2bo$7b2o5bo4bo13bo5b5o4bo6bo$6bo2bo4b2o3bob3o4bo
12b2o5bo5b2o$6bobobo3b2ob3o3bo5bo6b5o7bobo$7bo2b3obobo6bo17bo6bobob3o
2bo$14bobo7b5o6bo5bo3b3ob2o3bobobo$9b2o5bo5b2o12bo4b3obo3b2o4bo2bo$9bo
6bo4b5o5bo13bo4bo5b2o$16bo2bo10bo2bo3bo4bo$18bo5b5o4bo3b2o3bob3o4bo$
26b2o5bo3b2ob3o3bo5bo$21b5o7bobobobo6bo$26bo6bobobobo7b5o$20bo5bo3b3ob
2o3bo5b2o$21bo4b3obo3b2o3bo4b5o$30bo4bo3bo2bo$15b2o5bo4bo13bo5bo$14bo
2bo4b2o3bob3o4bo10bo$14bobobo3b2ob3o3bo5bo8b2obo$15bo2b3obobo6bo13bo3b
2o$22bobo7b5o7bobo$17b2o5bo5b2o12bo2bo$17bo6bo4b5o11b2o$24bo2bo$26bo5b
o$32bo$31b2obo$30bo3b2o$29bobo$29bo2bo$30b2o!

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby A for awesome » November 20th, 2015, 6:26 pm

hought99 wrote:
Sokwe wrote:
Bullet51 wrote:A useless p18 from Randagar

This was first found by Gabriel Nivasch in October 2002. It's included in the jslife oscillator collection, supported by jams:
and is extensible
x = 80, y = 96, rule = B3/S23
11$33b2o$32bo2bo$33bobo$29b2o3bo$30bob2o$32bo$32bo5bo$37bo2bo$18b2o11b
5o4bo6bo$17bo2bo12b2o5bo5b2o$18bobo7b5o7bobo$14b2o3bo13bo6bobob3o2bo$
15bob2o8bo5bo3b3ob2o3bobobo$17bo10bo4b3obo3b2o4bo2bo$17bo5bo13bo4bo5b
2o$22bo2bo3bo4bo$16b5o4bo3b2o3bob3o4bo$18b2o5bo3b2ob3o3bo5bo$13b5o7bob
obobo6bo$18bo6bobobobo7b5o$12bo5bo3b3ob2o3bo5b2o$13bo4b3obo3b2o3bo4b5o
5bo$22bo4bo3bo2bo10bo2bo$7b2o5bo4bo13bo5b5o4bo6bo$6bo2bo4b2o3bob3o4bo
12b2o5bo5b2o$6bobobo3b2ob3o3bo5bo6b5o7bobo$7bo2b3obobo6bo17bo6bobob3o
2bo$14bobo7b5o6bo5bo3b3ob2o3bobobo$9b2o5bo5b2o12bo4b3obo3b2o4bo2bo$9bo
6bo4b5o5bo13bo4bo5b2o$16bo2bo10bo2bo3bo4bo$18bo5b5o4bo3b2o3bob3o4bo$
26b2o5bo3b2ob3o3bo5bo$21b5o7bobobobo6bo$26bo6bobobobo7b5o$20bo5bo3b3ob
2o3bo5b2o$21bo4b3obo3b2o3bo4b5o$30bo4bo3bo2bo$15b2o5bo4bo13bo5bo$14bo
2bo4b2o3bob3o4bo10bo$14bobobo3b2ob3o3bo5bo8b2obo$15bo2b3obobo6bo13bo3b
2o$22bobo7b5o7bobo$17b2o5bo5b2o12bo2bo$17bo6bo4b5o11b2o$24bo2bo$26bo5b
o$32bo$31b2obo$30bo3b2o$29bobo$29bo2bo$30b2o!


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x₁=ηx
V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη)
K=(Λu²)/2
Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt)

$$x_1=\eta x$$
$$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$
$$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$
$$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$

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Re: Thread For Your Accidental Discoveries

Postby Extrementhusiast » November 20th, 2015, 8:33 pm

Nine-glider synthesis of a 21-bit SL:
x = 42, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
o$b2o$2o2$30bo$29bo$29b3o4bobo$36b2o$37bo14$21b2o$21b2o2$15bobo$3b2o
11b2o$2bobo11bo$4bo$16b2o$15bobo$17bo22bo$39b2o$39bobo!

Others could also probably be made from this base.
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