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c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby dvgrn » August 20th, 2018, 1:19 pm

Has anyone had a look recently at a glider construction for a c/2 diagonal signal? Unlike lightspeed diagonal signals, a single c/2 pulse doesn't seem like it's obviously beyond reach these days:

x = 46, y = 45, rule = B3/S23:T46,45
bo43bo$obo$bobo2bo$2bo5bo$3b2o3bo$8bo$5b3o$7bobo$9b2o$8b3o2$11b2o$14bo
$12bo2bo$14bobo$15bobo$16bobo$17bobo$18bobo$19bobo$20bobo$21bobo$22bob
o$23bobo$24bobo$25bobo$26bobo$27bobo$28bobo$29bobo$30bobo$31bobo$32bob
o$33bobo$34bobo$35bobo$36bobo$37bobo$38bobo$39bobo$40bobo$41bobo$42bob
o$43bobo$o43bo!

If one pulse turns out to be buildable, presumably at the end of an arbitrarily long ship or barge, then we can do the same thing twice to put the wire back where it started... and maybe use the distance between the pulses to carry information, similar to Jormungant's high-bandwidth telegraph.

Not sure about that last part. It would be nice to be able to check for passing signals with some kind of Heisenburp device, but I haven't figured out how to make that work yet -- maybe a non-stable solution could be worked out, with a clever spark applied to the trailing single bit just as the wire is recovering? The period of such a spark would have to be fairly high, though.

Here at least is a proof-of-concept way to turn a c/2-diagonal signal into other signal types. The rebuilding problem is nontrivial but probably already no worse than what lightspeed telegraphs have to do.

x = 46, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
.A$A.A$.A.A$2.A.A$3.A.A$4.A.A$5.A.A$6.A.A$7.A.A$8.A.A$9.A.A$10.A.A2.A
$11.A3.3A$12.3A.A$14.2A$15.A.2A2$16.A.A$17.3A2$19.3A$21.3A$22.A.A$23.
A.A$24.A.A$25.A.A$26.A.A$27.A.A$28.A.A$29.A.A$30.A.A$31.A.A6.2A$32.A.
A5.2A$33.A.A$34.A.A$35.A.A5.2A$36.A.A4.2A$37.A.A$38.A.A$39.A.A$40.A.A
$41.A.A$42.A.A$43.A.A$44.A2$39.2A$39.2A!

The above is just the first thing that worked; can anyone find cheaper baits, preferably that preserve more of the wire? Terminating the wire with a ship end, or a ship-end-tie-ship, or maybe even some more complicated construct, could add more degrees of freedom to the search.

... Not sure what good all this would be, really -- we already have faster diagonal communication methods (2c/3, with an elbow option no less). A Heisenburp for a diagonal wire would be something new, I suppose.

EDIT: Here's one conversion for each termination type. The rebuild would only have to be done once for each pair of signals. The block at the end of the wire looks like it could be permanent, but probably it would have to be shot down and rebuilt by whatever mechanism (slow salvo? big stable converter?) reconstructs the end of the wire.

x = 75, y = 78, rule = LifeHistory
.A$A.A$.A.A$2.A.A$3.A.A$4.A.A$5.A.A$6.A.A$7.A.A$8.A.A$9.A.A$10.A.A$
11.A.A$12.ABA$13.ABA$11.2B.ABA$12.2B.ABA$12.4BABA$13.5BAB$14.6BA$15.B
A3BAB$16.4B2AB$17.3A3BA$20.B3AB$22.2A2B$23.2BAB$24.BABA$25.3B$26.A.A$
27.A.A$28.A.A$29.A.A$30.A.A$31.A.A$32.A.A$33.A.A$34.A.A$35.A.A2.B$36.
A.A.3B$37.ABA.3B$38.ABA.3B$39.ABA4B$40.ABA2BAB$41.A5BA$42.2A3BA$43.4B
A$44.3A2B$45.BABA$46.2B2A$47.3AB$48.4B$49.B2AB$50.3BA$51.AB.E$53.E.E$
54.E.E$55.E.E$56.E.E$57.E.E$58.E.E$51.2C6.E.E$51.2C7.E.E6.C$61.E.E4.C
.C$57.C4.E.E3.C.C$56.C.C4.E.E3.C$56.C.C5.E.E$57.C7.E.E$66.E.E$67.E.E$
54.C13.E.E2.2A$53.C.C13.2E2.2A$53.2C3$35.A$34.A.A$34.A.A$35.A!

Again, this is just the first thing that worked, so there's bound to be something cheaper out there.
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby AforAmpere » August 20th, 2018, 4:59 pm

dvgrn wrote:Has anyone had a look recently at a glider construction for a c/2 diagonal signal? Unlike lightspeed diagonal signals, a single c/2 pulse doesn't seem like it's obviously beyond reach these days:


Is there any predecessor, or something that collides with the barge that is known to make the signal? That would make things a lot easier. Based on the patterns given, there doesn't seem to be a clear way to collide something with a barge to give the signal, as there's already a barge being laid behind it, but on a different lane.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby dvgrn » August 20th, 2018, 5:36 pm

AforAmpere wrote:Is there any predecessor, or something that collides with the barge that is known to make the signal? That would make things a lot easier.

Nope, nothing known. That's the challenge.

To send one of these signals repeatably along a given finite length of wire, we'd need a glider recipe that produces that structure, optionally with some trailing junk that can be cleaned up with additional gliders.

A naive estimate of the difficulty is that this is a "40-bit" problem -- there are about 40 cells worth of space dust that will have to be constructed. That's maybe about the same as the weekender, which has about 80 cells but it's symmetrical -- or 25P3H1V0.1, which has more like 50 or 60 space-dust cells participating in the action (including both ON and OFF cells).

That makes it look like it might take 50-100 gliders to get one of these signals started -- a lot more than a 2c/3 diagonal signal, for sure, but maybe it's not completely impossible.
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 7th, 2018, 11:08 pm

dvgrn wrote:That makes it look like it might take 50-100 gliders to get one of these signals started -- a lot more than a 2c/3 diagonal signal, for sure, but maybe it's not completely impossible.


Half of a signal built in 69 gliders, with room for improvement:
x = 822, y = 52, rule = B3/S23
767bo$767bobo$767b2o$757bo$bo39bo50bo48bo53bo53bo51bo42bo48bo41bo46bo
56bo48bo49bo49bo46bo21bobo34bo$obo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo
40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo47bobo44bobo20b2o34bobo$bobo
37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bo
bo47bobo47bobo44bobo56bobo$2bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo
40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo47bobo44bobo13bo42bobo$3bobo
37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bo
bo47bobo47bobo44bobo13bo42bobo$4bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bo
bo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo47bobo13bo30bobo10b3o12bob
o28bobo$5bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44b
obo54bobo46bobo47bobo47bobo11bo32bobo24b2o30bobo$6bobo37bobo48bobo46bo
bo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo7bo39bob
o10b3o31bobo24bo31bobo$7bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo
46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo4bobo40bobo44bobo56bobo$8bobo37bob
o48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47b
obo4b2o3bo37bobo5bobo36bobo56bobo$9bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo
49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo6b2o39bobo5b2o8bo21bo
6bobo22bo33bobo$10bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo
39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo6b2o39bobo4bo9bobo20bo6bobo19b2o35bobo$
11bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bo
bo46bobo47bobo9bo37bobo13b2o19b3o7bobo19b2o35bobo$12bobo37bobo48bobo
46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo8bob
o36bobo44bobo6b2ob2o45bobo$13bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo
40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo7b2o38bobo5bo38bobo4bobob2o
46bobo$14bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo13bo37bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bob
o44bobo54bobo46bobo47bobo47bobo3bobo29bo8bobo3bobo19bobo28bobo$15bo39b
o50bo48bo9bo3bo39bo9b2o4bo37bo51bo42bo48bo41bo46bo56bo48bo49bo49bo5b2o
30bo8bo5b2o13bobo3b2o30bo2bo$16b3o37b3o48b3o46b3o7b2ob3o38b3o5bo2bob2o
39b3o49b3o40b3o46b3o39b3o44b3o54b3o46b3o47b3o47b3o11b2o19b3o9b3o17b2o
5bo31bo$18bo39bo5bo44bo48bo6b2o45bo5bo2bo2b2o40bo51bo42bo48bo41bo46bo
56bo48bo49bo49bo11bobo32bo18bo39b2o$63bo155b2o496bo$10bo12bobo32bo4b3o
43bo48bo53bo53bo51bo42bo48bo41bo46bo56bo48bo49bo49bo28b3o15bo60b3o$8bo
bo12b2o31b3o48b3o2b2o42b3o2b2o47b3o2b2o47b3o2b2o2b2o41b3o2b2o2b2o32b3o
2b2o2b2o38b3o2b2o2b2o31b3o2b2o2b2o36b3o2b2o2b2o46b3o2b2o2b2o38b3o2b2o
2b2o39b3o2b2o2b2o39b3o2b2o2b2o22bo13b3o2b2o2b2o52b2o$9b2o13bo30bo50bo
5bobo40bo5bobo45bo5bobo3bobo39bo5bobo2bo40bo5bobo2bo31bo5bobo2bo37bo5b
obo2bo30bo5bobo2bo35bo5bobo2bo45bo5bobo2bo37bo5bobo2bo38bo5bobo2bo38bo
5bobo2bo21bo13bo5bobo2bo53bobo$12b2o6b2o34b3o7bobo38b3o3bo9bo32b3o4bo
46b3o4bo3b2o2b3o36b3o4b3o42b3o4b3o33b3o4b3o39b3o4b3o32b3o4b3o37b3o4b3o
47b3o4b3o39b3o4b3o40b3o4b3o40b3o4b3o37b3o4b3o56b3o$13b2o5bobo35bo7b2o
41bo12bo35bo3bo49bo3bo5bo2bo40bo3bo47bo3bo38bo3bo8bo35bo3bo37bo3bo42bo
3bo52bo3bo9bo34bo3bo45bo3bo45bo3bo42bo3bo58bo$12bo7bo46bo47b2o5b3o37b
2o52b2o8bo43b2o50b2o41b2o5b2o40b4o38b4o43b4o53b4o6bobo36b6o44b6o32bo
11b6o41b6o53bo3b2o$116b2o103b2o12b3o76bo54b2o2b2o42bo41bo46bo57bo5b2o
42bo50bo32bo16bo46bo52bo5bo$68b3o44bo3b3o45b2o51bo2bo11bo36bo39bobo7b
2o6bo34b2o2bobo42b2o42bo46bo56b3o46b3o47bo2b2o30b3o12bo2b2o17b3o12bo9b
o2b2o54bo2b2o$68bo50bo48b2ob3o46bo2bo12bo34b2o40b2o7bobo3b2o35bo3bo37b
o6bo43b2o44bo8bo47bo48bo49bobo47bobo22bo11bobo7bobo$69bo50bo46bo3bo49b
2o48bobo49bo5b2o32bobo42bo3bobo89b2o7bobo45b2o5b2o3bo36b2o7b2o39b2o37b
3o8b2o22bo12bobo7b2o14bo$172bo144bo45b2o41b3o3b2o5bo30bobo60b2o54b2obo
42bo2b2o81bo46bo23b2o$317b2o6bobo90b2o31b2o115bo3b3o40b2o3bo79bo71bobo
$316bobo6b2o91bobo30bo162bobo138bo$326bo411b2o14b2o$409b3o3b3o32b2o12b
3o40b2o230b2o13bobo$327b2o82bo5bo31bobo12bo42bobo228bo$326b2o82bo5bo
34bo3bo9bo37b2o2bo$328bo125b2o46bobo249b2o$454bobo47bo248bobo$755bo2$
763bo$762b2o$762bobo$400b3o$402bo109bo$401bo109b2o$511bobo!


As this method ends up with a boatload of excess boat, here's a cheap way to get rid of that meta-boatload:
x = 66, y = 54, rule = B3/S23
27bo$25b2o$26b2o7$11bo$10bobo$11bobo$12bobo$13bobo$14bobo$15bobo18bo$
16bobo15b2o$17bobo15b2o$18bobo$19bobo$20bobo8b2o$21bobo7b2o$22bobo$bo
21bobo$b2o21bobo$obo22bobo$26bobo$27bobo$28bobo$29bobo$21b2o7bobo$21b
2o8bobo$32bobo$17bo15bobo$17b2o15bobo$16bobo16bobo$36bobo$37bobo$38bob
o22bo$39bobo21bobo$40bobo20b2o$41bobo$42bobo$43bobo$44bobo$45bobo$46bo
bo$47bobo$48bobo$49b2o2$51bo$50b2o$50bobo!

(Removing the blocks would allow the front two gliders to form a flat end instead of a pointed one.)
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby A for awesome » October 9th, 2018, 4:55 pm

dvgrn wrote:It would be nice to be able to check for passing signals with some kind of Heisenburp device, but I haven't figured out how to make that work yet -- maybe a non-stable solution could be worked out, with a clever spark applied to the trailing single bit just as the wire is recovering? The period of such a spark would have to be fairly high, though.

One of these signals can eat a glider, and presumably anything shaped like it — a possible avenue for a (pseudo-)Heisenburp:
x = 46, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo12bo$bobo2bo7bo$2bo5bo5b3o$3b2o3bo$8bo$5b3o$7bobo$9b2o$8b3o2$11b2o$14bo
$12bo2bo$14bobo$15bobo$16bobo$17bobo$18bobo$19bobo$20bobo$21bobo$22bob
o$23bobo$24bobo$25bobo$26bobo$27bobo$28bobo$29bobo$30bobo$31bobo$32bob
o$33bobo$34bobo$35bobo$36bobo$37bobo$38bobo$39bobo$40bobo$41bobo$42bob
o$43bobo$44bo!
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby dvgrn » October 9th, 2018, 9:55 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:Half of a signal built in 69 gliders, with room for improvement...

Wow! I know I'm easily impressed by these things, but that's very impressive. How long did it take to find? And what's your next research project?

The given cost doesn't seem to count adding the tail on the long^N boat -- there are sixty-nine gliders in the synthesis as it stands, with the tail already added.

A for awesome wrote:One of these signals can eat a glider, and presumably anything shaped like it — a possible avenue for a (pseudo-)Heisenburp...

Can't just go aiming gliders at the long^N boat, though. Things won't turn out too well if it turns out there _isn't_ a signal going by. As it is, the only way to tell that there was a signal is the absence of a huge horrible explosion.

It's possible to suppress the glider at the last minute with a kickback reaction, and it still interacts, but unfortunately doesn't make a big enough spark to be detectable, I think:

x = 106, y = 48, rule = B3/S23
59bo$58bobo$59bobo$bo13bo44bobo12bo$obo13b2o43bobo12b2o$bobo11b2o45bob
o10b2o$2bobo2bo55bobo$3bo5bo12bo41bobo15bo$4b2o3bo11bo43bobo13bo$9bo
11b3o42bobo12b3o$6b3o58bobo$8bobo57bobo$10b2o57bobo$9b3o58bobo$71bobo$
12b2o58bobo$15bo57bobo$13bo2bo57bobo$15bobo57bobo$16bobo57bobo$17bobo
57bobo$18bobo57bobo$19bobo57bobo$20bobo57bobo$21bobo57bobo$22bobo57bob
o$23bobo57bobo$24bobo57bobo$25bobo57bobo$26bobo57bobo$27bobo57bobo$28b
obo57bobo$29bobo57bobo$30bobo57bobo$31bobo57bobo$32bobo57bobo$33bobo
57bobo$34bobo57bobo$35bobo57bobo$36bobo57bobo$37bobo57bobo$38bobo57bob
o$39bobo57bobo$40bobo57bobo$41bobo57bobo$42bobo57bobo$43bobo57bobo$44b
o59bo!

Maybe something with a colliding *WSS and glider, or two gliders making a bigger spark?

Based on Extrementhusiast's burning-and-then-stabilizing reactions, I guess there's some hope of a double-width-line crosser mechanism -- don't know about an all-on-one-side one, though, at least without a painful amount of universal constructor trickery.
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 10th, 2018, 1:36 am

dvgrn wrote:
Extrementhusiast wrote:Half of a signal built in 69 gliders, with room for improvement...

Wow! I know I'm easily impressed by these things, but that's very impressive. How long did it take to find? And what's your next research project?

The given cost doesn't seem to count adding the tail on the long^N boat -- there are sixty-nine gliders in the synthesis as it stands, with the tail already added.


Quite a long while, actually, especially since I built it wrong the first time!
x = 44, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
bo$obo$bobo$2bobo$3bobo$4bobo$5bobo14bo$6bobo11bobo$7bobo11b2o5bobo$8b
obo5bobo9b2o$9bobo5b2o10bo$10bobo4bo15bo$11bobo17b2o$5bo6bobo17b2o$6b
2o5bobo$5b2o7bobo$15bobo23bobo$16bo18bobo3b2o$17b3o15b2o5bo$6bo8bobo2b
o15bo$7b2o5bobo3bo$6b2o7bo5b2o2b2o$19bobobo2bo$18bobo2b3o$18bobobo$19b
o2b6o$20b2o6bo$23b2o2bobo$24bo3bobo7bo$10b2o10bo6bobo5b2o$11b2o9b2o6bo
bo4bobo$10bo20bobo$32bobo$13b2o18bobo$12bobo19bobo$14bo15b2o3bobo$30bo
bo3bobo$30bo6bo$21b3o$21bo$22bo!

I decided to start from the tail, as it's relatively easy to construct, and I didn't know the exact configuration that everything would be left in with regard to excess boat removal.

EDIT: And the first three gliders have been saved!
x = 787, y = 51, rule = B3/S23
732bo$732bobo$732b2o$722bo$bo39bo50bo48bo53bo53bo51bo42bo48bo41bo46bo
56bo63bo49bo46bo21bobo34bo$obo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bo
bo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo47bobo44bobo20b2o34bobo$bobo37bobo48bo
bo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo47bobo
44bobo56bobo$2bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bo
bo44bobo54bobo61bobo47bobo44bobo13bo42bobo$3bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bo
bo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo47bobo44bobo13bo42bo
bo$4bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo
54bobo61bobo47bobo13bo30bobo10b3o12bobo28bobo$5bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo
51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo47bobo11bo32bobo
24b2o30bobo$6bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bob
o44bobo54bobo61bobo7bo39bobo10b3o31bobo24bo31bobo$7bobo37bobo48bobo46b
obo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo4bobo40bobo
44bobo56bobo$8bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bo
bo44bobo54bobo61bobo4b2o3bo37bobo5bobo36bobo56bobo$9bobo37bobo48bobo
46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo6b2o39bobo
5b2o8bo21bo6bobo22bo33bobo$10bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo
40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo6b2o39bobo4bo9bobo20bo6bobo19b2o
35bobo$11bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44b
obo54bobo61bobo9bo37bobo13b2o19b3o7bobo19b2o35bobo$12bobo37bobo48bobo
46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo8bobo36bob
o44bobo6b2ob2o45bobo$13bobo37bobo48bobo46bobo51bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo
46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo61bobo7b2o38bobo5bo38bobo4bobob2o46bobo$14bobo
37bobo48bobo46bobo13bo37bobo51bobo49bobo40bobo46bobo39bobo44bobo54bobo
61bobo47bobo3bobo29bo8bobo3bobo19bobo28bobo$15bo39bo50bo48bo9bo3bo39bo
9b2o4bo37bo51bo42bo48bo41bo46bo56bo63bo49bo5b2o30bo8bo5b2o13bobo3b2o
30bo2bo$16b3o37b3o48b3o46b3o7b2ob3o38b3o5bo2bob2o39b3o49b3o40b3o46b3o
39b3o44b3o54b3o61b3o47b3o11b2o19b3o9b3o17b2o5bo31bo$18bo39bo5bo44bo48b
o6b2o45bo5bo2bo2b2o40bo51bo42bo48bo41bo46bo56bo63bo49bo11bobo32bo18bo
39b2o$63bo155b2o461bo$10bo12bobo32bo4b3o43bo48bo53bo53bo51bo42bo48bo
41bo46bo56bo63bo49bo28b3o15bo60b3o$8bobo12b2o31b3o48b3o2b2o42b3o2b2o
47b3o2b2o47b3o2b2o2b2o41b3o2b2o2b2o32b3o2b2o2b2o38b3o2b2o2b2o31b3o2b2o
2b2o36b3o2b2o2b2o46b3o2b2o2b2o53b3o2b2o2b2o39b3o2b2o2b2o22bo13b3o2b2o
2b2o52b2o$9b2o13bo30bo50bo5bobo40bo5bobo45bo5bobo3bobo39bo5bobo2bo40bo
5bobo2bo31bo5bobo2bo37bo5bobo2bo30bo5bobo2bo35bo5bobo2bo45bo5bobo2bo
52bo5bobo2bo38bo5bobo2bo21bo13bo5bobo2bo53bobo$12b2o6b2o34b3o7bobo38b
3o3bo9bo32b3o4bo46b3o4bo3b2o2b3o36b3o4b3o42b3o4b3o33b3o4b3o39b3o4b3o
32b3o4b3o37b3o4b3o47b3o4b3o14bo39b3o4b3o40b3o4b3o37b3o4b3o56b3o$13b2o
5bobo35bo7b2o41bo12bo35bo3bo49bo3bo5bo2bo40bo3bo47bo3bo38bo3bo8bo35bo
3bo37bo3bo42bo3bo52bo3bo16bo42bo3bo45bo3bo42bo3bo58bo$12bo7bo46bo47b2o
5b3o37b2o52b2o8bo43b2o50b2o41b2o5b2o40b4o38b4o43b4o53b4o13b3o44b6o32bo
11b6o41b6o53bo3b2o$116b2o103b2o12b3o76bo54b2o2b2o42bo41bo46bo57bo10bo
54bo32bo16bo46bo52bo5bo$68b3o44bo3b3o45b2o51bo2bo11bo36bo39bobo7b2o6bo
34b2o2bobo42b2o42bo46bo6bo49b3o9b2o50bo2b2o30b3o12bo2b2o17b3o12bo9bo2b
2o54bo2b2o$68bo50bo48b2ob3o46bo2bo12bo34b2o40b2o7bobo3b2o35bo3bo37bo6b
o43b2o44bo6bo49bo12bobo48bobo47bobo22bo11bobo7bobo$69bo50bo46bo3bo49b
2o48bobo49bo5b2o32bobo42bo3bobo89b2o5b3o47b2o62b2o37b3o8b2o22bo12bobo
7b2o14bo$172bo144bo45b2o41b3o3b2o5bo30bobo55b2o6bo149bo46bo23b2o$317b
2o6bobo90b2o31b2o56b2o4b2o148bo71bobo$316bobo6b2o91bobo30bo56bo6bobo
202bo$326bo376b2o14b2o$409b3o3b3o32b2o12b3o237b2o13bobo$327b2o82bo5bo
31bobo12bo238bo$326b2o82bo5bo34bo3bo9bo$328bo125b2o263b2o$454bobo261bo
bo$580bo139bo$579b2o$579bobo146bo$727b2o$727bobo$400b3o$402bo$401bo!
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby dvgrn » October 11th, 2018, 8:34 am

Extrementhusiast wrote:EDIT: And the first three gliders have been saved!...

Okay, then if my count is right, a full c/2 signal would now take 67+2+67+4 = 140 gliders to get started. Here's an incremental recipe pattern with 50-cell spacing, in case anyone wants to leave off the last two frames and try chris_c's script on it to get a full synthesis.

x = 956, y = 51, rule = LifeHistory
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15.2A$7.A.A47.A.A21.A25.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A46.A.A48.A.A47.A.A47.A.A
47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A4.A.A40.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A15.2A$8.A.
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32.A.A48.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A47.A.A3.A.A32.A
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17.2A99.A49.A5.A43.A49.A6.2A40.A5.A2.A2.2A37.A49.A49.A49.A49.A49.A49.
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A43.A3.A.A100.2A5.3A40.2A48.2A37.3A8.2A25.A12.A.A7.2A14.A88.A.A22.A$
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417.2A6.A.A98.2A39.2A59.2A4.2A127.A74.A.A89.A.A20.2A$416.A.A6.2A99.A.
A38.A59.A6.A.A184.A109.A.A$426.A377.2A14.2A110.A.A$517.3A3.3A40.2A12.
3A222.2A13.A.A110.A.A$427.2A90.A5.A39.A.A12.A223.A129.A.A$426.2A90.A
5.A42.A3.A9.A353.A.A$428.A141.2A248.2A114.A.A$570.A.A246.A.A115.A.A$
692.A128.A116.A.A$691.2A246.2A$691.A.A135.A$828.2A111.A$828.A.A109.2A
$508.3A429.A.A$510.A$509.A!

Not sure yet how best to extract information at the other end. For a high-bandwidth option, maybe count the number of ticks between the two half-signals and convert to binary somehow. Has anybody hunted for bait still lifes, or a custom extension at the far end, that can get a signal out while doing less damage than my initial proof of concept?

This is all a construction exercise with highly questionable utility, of course -- anyone with any sense would use a 2c/3 wire instead of one of these. So I think I'll be patient and wait for a script-built glider-to-c/2 converter.
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby Extrementhusiast » October 19th, 2018, 8:26 pm

A much simpler termination that works even at the minimum separation of halves:
x = 71, y = 90, rule = B3/S23
30b2o$30b2o$40b2o$40bo$38bobo$38b2o9$34b2o$34bobo$36bo$36b2o2$bo$obo$b
obo$2bobo$3bobo13b2o$4bobo12b2o$5bobo$6bobo$7bobo$8bobo$9bobo$10bobo$
11bobo$12bobo$8b2o3bobo$7bo2bo3bobo9bo$7bobo5bobo8b3o$8bo7bobo10bo$17b
obo8b2o$18bobo$19bobo9b2o$20bobo7bobo$21bobo6b2o$22bobo$23bobo$24bobo$
25bobo$26bobo$27bobo$28bobo$29bobo$30bobo$31bobo$32bobo$33bobo$34bobo$
35bobo$36bobo$37bobo$38bobo$39bobo$40bobo$41bobo$42bobo$43bobo$44bobo$
45bobo$46bo2bo$47bo$49b2o2$51b3o$51b2o$52bobo$54b3o$53bo$53bo3b2o$53bo
5bo$55bo2bobo$59b2o$60b2o$61bo$61bobo$63b2obo$63bo2bo2bo$64bo3b2o$66b
2ob2o$67b2o$68bo$68bobo$69b2o!

All that needs to be reconstructed is a loaf and a whole lotta boat. (The HFx107B can also be replaced with an HSW10T108 or either form of HNE16T14.)
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Re: c/2 diagonal telegraph

Postby danny » October 19th, 2018, 9:02 pm

Just wanted to say I'm rooting for you all, even if I have no idea how this stuff works. Very nice job with the post above, it seems quite easy now...perhaps longboats could be added while extending the tub afterwards to reduce cost, idk :?
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