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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » January 26th, 2019, 10:54 am

calcyman wrote:Are you using Cygwin or WSL?

Cygwin.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby testitemqlstudop » January 26th, 2019, 2:06 pm

I mean, if you are on windows 10, you can use WSL..
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby calcyman » January 26th, 2019, 3:16 pm

AforAmpere wrote:
calcyman wrote:Are you using Cygwin or WSL?

Cygwin.


I can reproduce the issue. It looks like there are at least two fundamental problems here:

  • iglucose fails to open the named pipe;
  • Only one worker succeeds in retrieving an item from the JoinableQueue.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » January 26th, 2019, 3:30 pm

calcyman wrote:I can reproduce the issue. It looks like there are at least two fundamental problems here:

  • iglucose fails to open the named pipe;
  • Only one worker succeeds in retrieving an item from the JoinableQueue.

Are these problems something that I could fix somehow? Or is it an inherent problem with Cygwin that can't be solved?
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Sokwe » January 26th, 2019, 6:39 pm

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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » January 29th, 2019, 8:19 pm

2718281828, do you know if the searches done here were done with rokicki's zfind?
http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2031&start=675#p61750
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby 2718281828 » February 3rd, 2019, 4:50 pm

AforAmpere wrote:2718281828, do you know if the searches done here were done with rokicki's zfind?
http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2031&start=675#p61750

I am not sure if this is rokicki's zfind. I used ntzfind for this, likely a modification of it. So if I got it correctly, the search is not usable for increasing the numbers in the status table.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Billabob » February 16th, 2019, 12:47 pm

Hi everyone, one of my long-running searches just finished:

./ntzfind B3/S23 w10 p13 k6 g l2000 r >> output.txt
[...]
Search complete: 0 spaceships found.
Calculations: 127042129051549
CPU time: 1941764.468000 seconds


Unfortunately I can't directly attach the output because it's too large, but it is available from here.

The other search is still going strong at 189T calculations and 3.5M seconds. I'll edit this post when it finishes (unless one or more months have passed.) Both were run on ntzfind v3.0.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 16th, 2019, 1:25 pm

Billabob wrote:The other search is still going strong at 189T calculations and 3.5M seconds. I'll edit this post when it finishes (unless one or more months have passed.) Both were run on ntzfind v3.0.


I'll add it to the table. What search are you running currently, and have you done any other high witth 6c/13 searches besides g? Also, were all of the searches you ran in your spreadsheet also zfind 3.0? Also, is there any other website you could put that file on? I really don't trust that one.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Billabob » February 16th, 2019, 2:19 pm

AforAmpere wrote:What search are you running currently, and have you done any other high witth 6c/13 searches besides g?


I don't know what search is running at the moment, but I can check when it finishes. If I had to wager a guess, it would be 2c/13 or 3c/13. I've only searched up to w7 on the other symmetries, and that was at least a year ago.

Also, were all of the searches you ran in your spreadsheet also zfind 3.0?


Yes

Also, is there any other website you could put that file on? I really don't trust that one.


Sorry, I've removed the link. If you could suggest an alternative site I'd be more than happy to upload it there.
EDIT: Replaced link with a Drive one, thanks
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 16th, 2019, 3:03 pm

Thanks. I am currently running 2c/9 w9 u, for about 250000 seconds. It will probably be a while longer. I am not sure of any trustworthy and easy websites to upload large things besides Drive.
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
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- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby 2718281828 » February 16th, 2019, 7:00 pm

I did this a 2c/9 witdh while ago, all negative for symmetries, most promising partials, using zfind:
x = 118, y = 49, rule = B3/S23
$15bo6bo$14b2o6b2o30bo5bo36bo$53b2o5b2o35bo$12bo2bo6bo2bo26bob2o3b2obo
32bo3bo$12bo2bo6bo2bo25b2o9b2o31b2ob2o$14b2o6b2o27b2o2b2ob2o2b2o31bo3b
o$16bo4bo29b2o2b2ob2o2b2o28b2o2bobo2b2o$14b3o4b3o28b2ob2ob2ob2o29b5ob
5o$15bo6bo32b2ob2o32b3ob3ob3o$54b2o3b2o2$16b6o30bo9bo29b3o2bo2b3o$15bo
2b2o2bo28bo11bo28bo3bobo3bo$14bo3b2o3bo25bobobobo3bobobobo25bo2bobobob
o2bo$14bo2bo2bo2bo25bob4o5b4obo24b6obob6o$14b3o4b3o25b2o13b2o24b2o3bob
obo3b2o$14bob6obo27bo11bo27bob2ob3ob2obo$18b2o32b2o7b2o29b3o5b3o$13b2o
3b2o3b2o71b3o$15bo2b2o2bo31bo5bo34bo3bo$12b4o2b2o2b4o24bo2bo7bo2bo$12b
o12bo24b2obo7bob2o30b2ob2o$13b3o6b3o27bo9bo31b2o3b2o$51b2o9b2o29bobo3b
obo$12b2ob2o4b2ob2o24bo13bo28bo2bobo2bo$11bo4bo4bo4bo23bobo2bo3bo2bobo
25b2ob2obobob2ob2o$10bo2b2o2b4o2b2o2bo22bo3b2o3b2o3bo25b3o2b2ob2o2b3o$
11bobobobo2bobobobo25b2obo3bob2o32bo3bo$13bobo6bobo28b2o5b2o30b4o3b4o$
17b4o30b2ob2o3b2ob2o27bo2b2o3b2o2bo$16bo4bo27b2obobo5bobob2o25b3o7b3o$
13bo2bo4bo2bo24b2obob2o3b2obob2o$12bob4o2b4obo24bobo2bo3bo2bobo$11bo3b
o6bo3bo22bo4bo5bo4bo27b4ob4o$11bo2bo8bo2bo23b2ob2o5b2ob2o25b2obob2ob2o
bob2o$10b2ob3o6b3ob2o25b4ob4o27bo15bo$11bo3b2o4b2o3bo23bo13bo29bo5bo$
11bobobob4obobobo22bo2bobobobobobo2bo27b2o5b2o$12b2obob4obob2o23b5o2bo
bo2b5o23b4o3bobo3b4o$14b2o6b2o67bo5bo5bo$14bob2o2b2obo73bo$92bo9bo!

Edi1:
Also negative: 3c/8 width 12 asymmetric, using knight2:
x = 12, y = 29, rule = B3/S23
2obo2b2o$bo3bob3o$bo3bob5o$bo3b4o$5bob2o$7bobo$2b3o3b2o$2b2o3b2o$4bobo
bo$bo2bo3bo$2b3o$10bo$2bobo5bo$2bobo2b2obo$3b4o$8bo$6bobo$7b2o2$7b3o$
3bo4bo$3bo$3b2obo$5b2o$4b3o$ob3o$o3bo$bobo$2bo!

(best partial)

Additionally 'negative' 2c/7 even symmetric width 20 [meaning only the weekender exists], using knight2:
Best partial:
x = 20, y = 75, rule = B3/S23
8bo2bo$o2bobo3b2o3bobo2bo$7b6o$2b2o3bo4bo3b2o$8bo2bo$3b2ob2o4b2ob2o$7b
o4bo$2bo3bo6bo3bo$2bo4b2o2b2o4bo$3bob2o6b2obo$7bo4bo$3bo3bo4bo3bo$2b2o
5b2o5b2o$3b2ob8ob2o$6bo6bo$6b3o2b3o$4bo3b4o3bo$2b5obo2bob5o$3b5o4b5o3$
3b5o4b5o$2bo5bo2bo5bo$b2o4bo4bo4b2o$b2obo2bo4bo2bob2o$4b2o8b2o$5b2o6b
2o2$2bobo3bo2bo3bobo$3bo12bo$3bo3bo4bo3bo$7b2o2b2o$5bo8bo$5bo2bo2bo2bo
$8b4o$7bo4bo$8bo2bo$7b2o2b2o$5b2ob4ob2o$6b2o4b2o$5b3o4b3o$4b2o8b2o$b2o
3bo6bo3b2o$obob2o8b2obobo$b2o14b2o$2bo2bo8bo2bo$3bob2o6b2obo$2b2o3bo4b
o3b2o$3bo4bo2bo4bo$8bo2bo$3b3o2b4o2b3o$3b3o8b3o$4bo2bo4bo2bo$4b3o2b2o
2b3o$5b2o2b2o2b2o3$6b3o2b3o$b2o2bo3b2o3bo2b2o$3bobo8bobo$5b2ob4ob2o$o
18bo$bob2o10b2obo$2b3o10b3o$4b2o8b2o$b2obo10bob2o$b2ob2o8b2ob2o$2bo14b
o$4bo10bo$3b2o10b2o$2bo14bo$2bo14bo$bobo12bobo$2bo14bo$2bo14bo!


I am currently running 2c/7 width 11 odd-symmetric (using zfind). But it takes looong. No positive result so far.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 16th, 2019, 7:03 pm

2718281828 wrote:I did this a 2c/9 witdh while ago, all negative for symmetries, most promising partials:

Width 9 for all symmetries? And with zfind 3.0?
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby 2718281828 » February 16th, 2019, 7:13 pm

AforAmpere wrote:
2718281828 wrote:I did this a 2c/9 witdh while ago, all negative for symmetries, most promising partials:

Width 9 for all symmetries? And with zfind 3.0?

Kind of yes, actually "ntzfind 3.0 by "zdr", Matthias Merzenich, Aidan Pierce, and Tomas Rokicki, 24 February 2018
- ./ntzfind B3/S23 p9 k2 x0 n1 w9 g m4000 s100". So only odd-sym, even-sym and gutter-sym, as the partials suggests. But asymmetric would have been found by gutter.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 16th, 2019, 7:17 pm

Okay I'll update the table then. Any other searches not reflected in the table that you did with ntzfind or zfind 3.0 or later?
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby 2718281828 » February 17th, 2019, 3:31 pm

AforAmpere wrote:Okay I'll update the table then. Any other searches not reflected in the table that you did with ntzfind or zfind 3.0 or later?

No, but as mentioned at the moment I am running 2c/7 odd-symmetrie with logical width 11. And the mentioned knigth2/knightt-searches above.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Billabob » February 19th, 2019, 3:23 pm

Since I'm no longer in danger of double-posting, I'll announce it here: the mystery search has finished.

./ntzfind B3/S23 w7 p13 k2 g l2000 r
ntzfind 3.0 by "zdr", Matthias Merzenich, Aidan Pierce, and Tomas Rokicki, 24 February 2018
- ./ntzfind B3/S23 w7 p13 k2 g l2000 r
Rule: B3/S23
Period: 13
Offset: 2
Width:  7
Symmetry: gutter
Depth limit: 2000
Stop search if a ship is found.
Use randomized search order.
[...]
Search complete: 0 spaceships found.
Calculations: 204355688396592
CPU time: 3779101.922000 seconds


I was running 2c/13 - that's why it took so long! It's a shame the result was negative, but now that I've run this search nobody else has to. I'm afraid there are no long partials because I only checked once or twice per day, and I didn't save the output to a TXT file (which is also why I couldn't remember what search I was running.)
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 19th, 2019, 5:42 pm

Wow, I'm amazed that took so long. Do you ever run u or v searches? Asymmetric comes with gutter, but that leaves a strange gap in searching for some speeds.

EDIT, the link to the Drive file was for a w8 6c/13 search. Are you sure you ran w10? Are the other widths correct?

EDIT, never mind, it was lower in the file.

The longest 6c/13 partial in Billabob's file is this one:
x = 21, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
6bo7bo$5bobo5bobo$4b2ob2o3b2ob2o$4b2obo5bob2o$4bo3bo3bo3bo2$7bo5bo$2b
2o13b2o$3b2o11b2o$8bo3bo$4bo2bo5bo2bo$4b2obo5bob2o$2bobobo7bobobo$b2o
3bobo3bobo3b2o$b2obo4bobo4bob2o$bo17bo$6bo7bo$bo2b3o2bobo2b3o2bo$2b3o
3bo3bo3b3o$5bo2bo3bo2bo$4bo2bo5bo2bo$3obob2o5b2obob3o$b3ob4o3b4ob3o$7b
3ob3o!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Sokwe » February 19th, 2019, 6:02 pm

@AforAmpere, you've been updating the ntzfind table a lot. Could you please post some of your partial results?

Billabob wrote:the mystery search has finished.

./ntzfind B3/S23 w7 p13 k2 g l2000 r
ntzfind 3.0 by "zdr", Matthias Merzenich, Aidan Pierce, and Tomas Rokicki, 24 February 2018
- ./ntzfind B3/S23 w7 p13 k2 g l2000 r
Rule: B3/S23
Period: 13
Offset: 2
Width:  7
Symmetry: gutter
Depth limit: 2000
Stop search if a ship is found.
Use randomized search order.
[...]
Search complete: 0 spaceships found.
Calculations: 204355688396592
CPU time: 3779101.922000 seconds

Why are you using the randomized search order? The default order should be slightly faster.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Billabob » February 19th, 2019, 6:09 pm

AforAmpere wrote:Wow, I'm amazed that took so long. Do you ever run u or v searches? Asymmetric comes with gutter, but that leaves a strange gap in searching for some speeds.


The laptop I ran these searches on isn't exactly high-end... in fact I'm surprised the search only took 43 days. I was prepared to wait another 2 months. And - yes I do. They're all in the spreadsheet I attached to my earlier reply. I have not run any unreported searches after these.

EDIT, the link to the Drive file was for a w8 6c/13 search. Are you sure you ran w10? Are the other widths correct?

EDIT, never mind, it was lower in the file.


Sorry, not sure why that happened. I will try running some even-symmetric c6/13 searches, starting with width 8. I may also try extending the partial you helpfully posted, if I can figure out how.

EDIT: w9 p13 k6 u is negative. There's some decent partials in there.

Sokwe wrote:Why are you using the randomized search order? The default order should be slightly faster.


Thanks for the tip. I remember reading that the randomized search order is faster a couple of years ago but I may be remembering it incorrectly. I'll run my future searches with the default order.
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 19th, 2019, 6:39 pm

Sokwe wrote:@AforAmpere, you've been updating the ntzfind table a lot. Could you please post some of your partial results?


Sorry if I've been updating it too frequently. When I finish a search, I want to record it as quickly as possible. I unfortunately lost some of the partials, but here are a few:

Best (2,1)c/8 partial from w10 search:
x = 9, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bobo$6b2o$2bo3bo$bo$b2ob2o$3bo$5bobo$2b5o$3bo2bo$2bo2bo$3b2o$4bob
o$5b2o$2b2o$bo$3b4o$bo4bo$bo2bo$6b2o$bo2bob3o$3o3bo!


Best (1,1)c/8 partials:
x = 34, y = 24, rule = B3/S23
2bo27bo$2bo27bo$bobo25bobo$3bo27bo$b2ob2o23b2ob2o$2bo27bo$2bo2bo24bo2b
o$2b2obo24b2obo$o2bo24bo2bo$obo25bobo$bo27bo2$2b2o26b2o$b3o25b3o$o3bo
23bo2bo$4b2o22bo$4b3o22b2o$5bo$26bob3o$b4o21b3ob2o$3b3o21bo3bo$b2o2bob
o18bo2bo2bo$4bo2bo18bo2b2ob2o$bo4b2o!


Best (2,1)c/9 partial:
x = 8, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$3bobo$4b2o2$5bo$3b3o$4bo$2b2obo$2b3o$4bo$b3o$5bo$2bo3bo$2bo
3bo$5bo$2b4o$b2o3bo$o4b2o$2b2o$4bo$3bo$b2ob3o$o2b2obo$obo2b3o$2b2o!


I'll post more in a bit.

EDIT, 6c/13 w8v and w8u finished, best partials:
x = 42, y = 17, rule = B3/S23
4bo6bo19bo5bo$3bobo4bobo17bobo3bobo$2b2ob2o2b2ob2o15b2ob2ob2ob2o$2b2ob
o4bob2o16bo2bobo2bo$2bo2bo4bo2bo17b3ob3o$7b2o22bobobobo$bo4bo2bo4bo2$o
3b3o2b3o3bo13b3o5b3o$o2bo8bo2bo12bo2bo2bo2bo2bo$4bo6bo19b3ob3o$bob3o4b
3obo13bo4bobo4bo$2b2obo4bob2o14bobo3bo3bobo$5b2o2b2o17bo2bo5bo2bo$b2o
2b2o2b2o2b2o12b3ob2o3b2ob3o$b4o6b4o14bob2o3b2obo$28bo4bobo4bo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 20th, 2019, 9:34 pm

(1,1)c/7 w10 a finished with no results. Best partial:
x = 9, y = 50, rule = B3/S23
5bo$5bo$5b2o$b2o$2bo3b3o2$4b3o$3bobo$3b3o$3b2o$4bo$2b2ob2o$2b2ob2o$3bo
$5b2o$3bobo$2b2o$3bo$5b2o$bo$6bo$3bo2bo$3bo3bo$4bobo$5bobo$6b2o$5bo2bo
$5bobo$6bo$b2obo$6bo$bo5bo$2b2o3bo$5bo$4b2o$o2bo2bo$3bo2bo$3bo3bo$4b4o
$3bo3bo$3bo2bo$bo$bo3b2o2$3b2obo$3bo3b2o$3bobobo$6b2o$2bobobo$o3b2ob2o
!


(3,1)c/9 w10 a is also negative. Best partial:
x = 10, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
5bo$4bobo$3b2ob2o$2b2o2bo$bo4bo$bo3bo$2b2o$5b3o$3bo3bo$2bo2bo$bo4bo$o
4bo$2b2ob2o$b2obobo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Hdjensofjfnen » February 20th, 2019, 11:10 pm

Hmm... has anyone looked for slope-6 ships? [e.g. (6,1)c/14]
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4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby AforAmpere » February 21st, 2019, 5:37 pm

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:Hmm... has anyone looked for slope-6 ships? [e.g. (6,1)c/14]

Yes, check the status page.

C/9 w8 a was rechecked with zfind 3, no positive results. I'll run w8 g next.

Longest partial:
x = 7, y = 33, rule = B3/S23
4bo$3bobo$3bobo$4bo2$4bo$3bobo$3bo2bo$3bobo$3b2o$2b3o$b5o$3o$bo2bo$bo
2bo$bo3bo$b2ob2o$4b2o$3bobo$4b3o$3bob2o$2b2ob2o$2bo$3bo$bobob2o$o2bo$
6bo$2bobo$2bob2o$3obobo$bobobo$bo3b2o$bo3bo!
Things to work on:
- Find a (7,1)c/8 ship in a Non-totalistic rule (someone please search the rules)
- Find a C/10 in JustFriends
- Find a C/10 in Day and Night
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Re: Database of All Completed and Ongoing *find Searches

Postby Sokwe » February 21st, 2019, 10:23 pm

AforAmpere wrote:C/9 w8 a was rechecked with zfind 3, no positive results. I'll run w8 g next.

I would generally recommend running gutter searches before asymmetric searches. If the gutter search finds nothing, then it also eliminates an asymmetric ship of that width.
-Matthias Merzenich
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