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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Bullet51 » February 6th, 2019, 11:41 am

2718281828 wrote:Is this relatively small (41 cells) c/4 orthogonal ship known? If I got it correctly it is not in jslife:
x = 13, y = 16, rule = B3/S23
2b3o$3bo2$2bo$2bobo$bo3bo$bo3bo$bo5bo$7bo$2b2o3bo3bo$2bo3bo4bo$4b3o3bo
bo$b2obo$4bo4bo$3o2b6o$10bo!


Known.

velcrorex wrote:Is this this ship you're looking for?
x = 13, y = 16
10bo$3obb6o$4bo4bo$boobo$4b3o3bobo$bbo3bo4bo$bboo3bo3bo$7bo$bo5bo$bo3b
o$bo3bo$bbobo$bbo$$3bo$bb3o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Jormungant » February 6th, 2019, 7:57 pm

Block pusher

x = 145, y = 111, rule = LifeHistory
22$123.2A$122.B2A2B3.2A$123.4B2.B2AB$119.B.6B3.2B$117.10B2.2B$99.2A8.
2A6.11B2A2B$98.B2AB8.A5.12B2A3B.B$99.2B9.A.AB2.18B2A$94.B3.2B11.2AB3.
15B.B2A$93.2AB.4B12.18B3.B$93.2A8B10.18B$94.B.B2A6B2.2B2.19B$97.2A17B
3A11B$97.19BA4B.7B$93.24BA3B2.6B$93.29B.7B$92.2A29B.6B$92.2A14B.4B7.
9B6.A$93.B.11B2.4B9.8B4.3A$95.10B2.4B11.8B2.A$96.14B13.7B2.2A$95.14B
15.10B$96.13B15.8B$74.2A20.13B15.8B$75.A22.2B.8B15.8B.2B$75.A.2A3.2A
17.D7B15.13B$76.A.A4.A16.D8B15.13B$73.B4.A.3A16.B3D6B15.14B$68.5B2C2.
2A.A17.4B.7B13.14B$68.5B2C6B16.4B2.8B11.4B2.10B$67.10B.2B16.4B4.8B9.
4B2.11B.B$66.13B16.4B5.9B7.4B.14B2A$66.14B14.4B5.6B.29B2A$66.14B13.4B
6.7B.6BA22B$66.15B11.4B8.6B2.3B2A11BABA9B$42.2A23.14B10.4B9.7B.5BABAB
A7BA6B$41.B2A2B3.2A16.14B9.4B9.16BABA12B2A$42.4B2.B2AB16.13B8.4B10.
19B2.2B2.6B2AB.B$38.B.6B3.2B16.15B6.A3B10.18B10.8B2A$36.10B2.2B16.4B.
4B2D4B6.BABA7.B3.18B12.4B.B2A$18.2A8.2A6.11B2A2B14.4B.5B2D6B3.2B2A7.
2AB.15B3.B2A11.2B3.B$17.B2AB8.A5.12B2A3B.B10.4B.14B2.4B8.2A18B2.BA.A
9.2B$18.2B9.A.AB2.18B2A8.4B2.14B.4B10.B.3B2A12B5.A8.B2AB$13.B3.2B11.
2AB3.15B.B2A7.4B3.6B2C5B.4B14.2B2A11B6.2A8.2A$12.2AB.4B12.18B3.B7.4B
6.4B2C4B.4B16.2B2.10B$12.2A8B10.18B10.4B6.15B16.2B3.6B.B$13.B.B2A6B2.
2B2.19B10.4B8.13B16.B2AB2.4B$16.2A17B3A11B9.4B9.14B16.2A3.2B2AB$16.
19BA4B.7B9.4B10.14B23.2A$12.24BA3B2.6B8.4B11.15B$12.29B.7B6.4B13.14B$
11.2A29B.6B5.4B14.14B$11.2A14B.4B7.9B5.4B16.13B$12.B.11B2.4B9.8B4.4B
16.2B.10B$14.10B2.4B11.8B2.4B16.6B2C5B$15.14B13.7B.4B17.A.2A2.2C5B$
14.14B15.6B3DB16.3A.A4.B$15.13B15.8BD16.A4.A.A$15.13B15.7BD17.2A3.2A.
A$17.2B.8B15.8B.2B22.A$20.8B15.13B20.2A$20.8B15.13B$18.10B15.14B$18.
2A2.7B13.14B$19.A2.8B11.4B2.10B$16.3A4.8B9.4B2.11B.B$16.A6.9B7.4B.14B
2A$22.6B.29B2A$22.7B.6BA22B$23.6B2.3B2A11BABA9B$23.7B.5BABABA7BA6B$
22.16BABA12B2A$22.19B2.2B2.6B2AB.B$21.18B10.8B2A$17.B3.18B12.4B.B2A$
16.2AB.15B3.B2A11.2B3.B$16.2A18B2.BA.A9.2B$17.B.3B2A12B5.A8.B2AB$20.
2B2A11B6.2A8.2A$21.2B2.10B$20.2B3.6B.B$19.B2AB2.4B$20.2A3.2B2AB$27.2A
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby testitemqlstudop » February 7th, 2019, 6:19 pm

small p14, the first oscillator I found w/ dr and lls
(pop 46 to 47)
x = 12, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5bo2bo$7b4o$3b4o4bo$2bo5bobo$2b8o2$2b3o2b3o$bobo5bo$o4b4o$b4o$3bo
2bo$5b2o!


EDIT:
small p16, min pop 52 (DEFINITELY CAN REDUCE)
x = 11, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
6b2o$6bo2b2o$4bobo3bo$2b3o2b3o$bo3bobo$o2bobo$b3o$7bo$ob2o2bo$2obobo$
5bobo$2obobob3o$ob2o2bo3bo$4bobo2b2o$4b2o!


EDIT: p17
x = 15, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
7bo$3bob3o3b2o$b4o3b2o2bo$o5b2o2b2o$2o2b2o3bo2b3o$3bobobobobo2bo$2obob
o2b2o2bo$bobobo4bob2o$o2bob5obo2bo$obobo6bob2o$b2obob2o3bo$4bobo3b2o$
4bobo$5bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Ian07 » February 7th, 2019, 8:16 pm

testitemqlstudop wrote:small p14, the first oscillator I found w/ dr and lls
(pop 46 to 47)
x = 12, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5bo2bo$7b4o$3b4o4bo$2bo5bobo$2b8o2$2b3o2b3o$bobo5bo$o4b4o$b4o$3bo
2bo$5b2o!

That's a stator variant of 44P14:
#C 44p14 billiard table
#C Dean Hickerson, 21 Apr 1997
x = 13, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$4b2obo2bo$3bobob2obo$3bobobo2b2o$2obo3bobo2bo$o2bo3bobob2o$b2o2bo
bobo$2bob2obobo$2bo2bob2o$3b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Macbi » February 7th, 2019, 8:44 pm

testitemqlstudop wrote:small p14, the first oscillator I found w/ dr and lls

What do you mean by "w/ dr and lls"? Did you combine them in some way?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby testitemqlstudop » February 7th, 2019, 8:58 pm

I generated the partial oscillators with dr, and then instead of using JLS, I ran the background in LLS, and it gave me the still life (aka background) stabilization, and then I replaced the partial osc "1"s and "0"s with their corresponding foreground states.

Do you want the Python script that I used to convert partial osc to LLS state?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Macbi » February 7th, 2019, 10:06 pm

testitemqlstudop wrote:I generated the partial oscillators with dr, and then instead of using JLS, I ran the background in LLS, and it gave me the still life (aka background) stabilization, and then I replaced the partial osc "1"s and "0"s with their corresponding foreground states.
That makes sense. It's probably easier to create files for LLS to read than it is for JLS.

Do you want the Python script that I used to convert partial osc to LLS state?
No thanks, I can see how it would work.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Moosey » February 12th, 2019, 3:40 pm

Is this 1*N predecessor to a different (and stable) 1*N pattern known?
x = 24, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
18.D$18.D$18.D6$3A.7A.7A2.3A6$18.D$18.D$18.D!


EDIT:
another; this one dies out one generation after becoming 1D again.
x = 26, y = 11, rule = LifeHistory
4.D$4.D4$5A.3A.8A3.5A4$4.D$4.D!
Last edited by Moosey on February 16th, 2019, 1:38 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Hdjensofjfnen » February 12th, 2019, 8:53 pm

Moosey wrote:Is this 1*N predecessor to a different 1*N pattern known?
x = 24, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
18.D$18.D$18.D6$3A.7A.7A2.3A6$18.D$18.D$18.D!

I think I remember a post some years back of a 1*N predecessor to a different 1*N on the same axis, but I don't remember where it is.
EDIT: Here it is:
http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1141&start=1176
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My favorite oscillator of all time:
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S2-i3-y4i
4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby cvojan » February 13th, 2019, 4:08 pm

Is this somewhat inaccessible R-to-Pi known?
x = 15, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
5.3D$5.D.D$5.D.D5.2A$13.A$2A9.A.A$2A9.2A6$13.2A$7.C5.2A$6.3C$6.C!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby dvgrn » February 13th, 2019, 5:37 pm

cvojan wrote:Is this somewhat inaccessible R-to-Pi known?
x = 15, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
5.3D$5.D.D$5.D.D5.2A$13.A$2A9.A.A$2A9.2A6$13.2A$7.C5.2A$6.3C$6.C!

I guess it doesn't entirely count as "knowable" until a workable connection can be made to both the input and the output. The input is certainly accessible enough --

#C sample BLx19R connection
x = 15, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
5.3D$5.D.D$5.D.D5.2A$13.A$2A9.A.A$2A9.2A6$13.2A$7.D5.2A$4.2B3D$3.C2BD
5B$.3BC7B$.3B2C6B$3B2C6B$.2BC7B$.7B.3B$3.B.B3.B2A$3.B2AB2.BA.A$4.2A4.
B2A$8.4B$8.2A$9.A$6.3A$6.A!

-- but there's just not a lot of room around that pi output, and conduits starting with a pi input generally need lots of room. So probably a new transparent catalyst would be needed -- e.g., use one of the glider outputs to rebuild this ship, except it should really be something quicker and more direct than that:

x = 31, y = 15, rule = LifeHistory
22.2A$22.2A2$9.2A2.A$5.2A3.3A$5.2A4.A16.2A$2A26.A.A$.A27.2A$
.A.A$2.2A$6.2A$5.A.A14.2A$5.2A15.A$15.2A6.3A$15.2A8.A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » February 13th, 2019, 10:11 pm

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:
Moosey wrote:Is this 1*N predecessor to a different 1*N pattern known?
x = 24, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory
18.D$18.D$18.D6$3A.7A.7A2.3A6$18.D$18.D$18.D!

I think I remember a post some years back of a 1*N predecessor to a different 1*N on the same axis, but I don't remember where it is.
EDIT: Here it is:
http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1141&start=1176

This is basically just a finite piece of a well-known period 9 wick, whose stabilization is the lonely bee. http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Lonely_bee
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby 2718281828 » February 14th, 2019, 4:52 pm

pi+domino to glider.
x = 5, y = 6, rule = LifeHistory
A$A2.2A$2.A.A$.2A$2.A.A$3.2A!

Works nicely with such a p4:
x = 23, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory
9.2A$4.A2.A2.A$4.5A.A.2A$2.2A5.A.A2.A$.A2.3A2.A2.A.A$.A.A3.4A$2A.3A4.
A3.A$.A.A2.2A3.A3.A$.A3.2A.A2.3A$2A3.2A.4A.A$5.2A2.A3.A3.A$5.2A2.A3.A
3.A$2A3.2A.4A.A6.3A$.A3.2A.A2.3A6.A$.A.A2.2A3.A3.A4.3A$2A.3A4.A3.A$.A
.A3.4A$.A2.3A2.A2.A.A$2.2A5.A.A2.A$4.5A.A.2A$4.A2.A2.A$9.2A!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Entity Valkyrie » February 18th, 2019, 12:21 am

Is this wick stabilisable?
x = 193, y = 426, rule = B3/S23
bo$b2o$o2bo$bobo$b2o3$6b2o$5bobo$5bo2bo$6b2o$7bo7$9bo$9b2o$8bo2bo$9bob
o$9b2o3$14b2o$13bobo$13bo2bo$14b2o$15bo7$17bo$17b2o$16bo2bo$17bobo$17b
2o3$22b2o$21bobo$21bo2bo$22b2o$23bo7$25bo$25b2o$24bo2bo$25bobo$25b2o3$
30b2o$29bobo$29bo2bo$30b2o$31bo7$33bo$33b2o$32bo2bo$33bobo$33b2o3$38b
2o$37bobo$37bo2bo$38b2o$39bo7$41bo$41b2o$40bo2bo$41bobo$41b2o3$46b2o$
45bobo$45bo2bo$46b2o$47bo7$49bo$49b2o$48bo2bo$49bobo$49b2o3$54b2o$53bo
bo$53bo2bo$54b2o$55bo7$57bo$57b2o$56bo2bo$57bobo$57b2o3$62b2o$61bobo$
61bo2bo$62b2o$63bo7$65bo$65b2o$64bo2bo$65bobo$65b2o3$70b2o$69bobo$69bo
2bo$70b2o$71bo7$73bo$73b2o$72bo2bo$73bobo$73b2o3$78b2o$77bobo$77bo2bo$
78b2o$79bo7$81bo$81b2o$80bo2bo$81bobo$81b2o3$86b2o$85bobo$85bo2bo$86b
2o$87bo7$89bo$89b2o$88bo2bo$89bobo$89b2o3$94b2o$93bobo$93bo2bo$94b2o$
95bo7$97bo$97b2o$96bo2bo$97bobo$97b2o3$102b2o$101bobo$101bo2bo$102b2o$
103bo7$105bo$105b2o$104bo2bo$105bobo$105b2o3$110b2o$109bobo$109bo2bo$
110b2o$111bo7$113bo$113b2o$112bo2bo$113bobo$113b2o3$118b2o$117bobo$
117bo2bo$118b2o$119bo7$121bo$121b2o$120bo2bo$121bobo$121b2o3$126b2o$
125bobo$125bo2bo$126b2o$127bo7$129bo$129b2o$128bo2bo$129bobo$129b2o3$
134b2o$133bobo$133bo2bo$134b2o$135bo7$137bo$137b2o$136bo2bo$137bobo$
137b2o3$142b2o$141bobo$141bo2bo$142b2o$143bo7$145bo$145b2o$144bo2bo$
145bobo$145b2o3$150b2o$149bobo$149bo2bo$150b2o$151bo7$153bo$153b2o$
152bo2bo$153bobo$153b2o3$158b2o$157bobo$157bo2bo$158b2o$159bo7$161bo$
161b2o$160bo2bo$161bobo$161b2o3$166b2o$165bobo$165bo2bo$166b2o$167bo7$
169bo$169b2o$168bo2bo$169bobo$169b2o3$174b2o$173bobo$173bo2bo$174b2o$
175bo7$177bo$177b2o$176bo2bo$177bobo$177b2o3$182b2o$181bobo$181bo2bo$
182b2o$183bo7$185bo$185b2o$184bo2bo$185bobo$185b2o3$190b2o$189bobo$
189bo2bo$190b2o$191bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Sokwe » February 18th, 2019, 12:55 am

Entity Valkyrie wrote:Is this wick stabilisable?

From jslife/osc-supported/s0060.lif:
x = 181, y = 182, rule = B3/S23
56bo$55bobo$38b2o15b2obo91b2o$38bobo14b2ob2o3b2o85bobo$29b2o2b2o6bo13b
2obo4b2o80b2o4b3o12bo$29b2obo2bo2bo2bo13bobo83b4o2bo4b3o8b4o$33b2o6bo
8bo5bo84b3ob2o4b3o8b4o9b2o$38bobo7bobo99bobo9bo2bo9b2o$38b2o9b2o99b2o
10b4o5bo$154bo8b4o4bo$153bo12bo$153b3o5$35bobo$33bo3bo5b3o$26b2o5bo7bo
bo2bo2b2o17b2o44b2o19b2o33b2o$26b2o4bo4bo7b2o2bo2bo16bo45bo19bo22b3o2b
o5bo3bo$33bo19bo15bobo9bo27bo5bobo7b2o6bobo18bo3bo9bo5bo3b2o$33bo3bo2b
3o10bo11bo4b2o8b2o27b3o4b2o6bobo5b3o17bobo4bo8bo3bob2o2b2o$35bobo15bo
9bobo13b2o4b2o25bo10bo6b3o17b2o16bo5bo$49bo2bo5b2o4b2o12b3o4b2o2b2o20b
2o10bo2bo2bo2bo17b2o17bo3bo$49b2o7bobo18b2o4b2o2b2o32bo6b2o7bo10b2o18b
2o$60bo19b2o42bobo11bo7b2o4bobo$60b2o12bo6bo43b2o6b3o2b3o4bobo6bo$75b
2o36b3o17bo11bo$60b2o12b2o36b2ob2o17bo9b2o$60bo51b2ob2o$51bo6bobo51b5o
27b2o$51bobo4b2o51b2o3b2o27bo$34b2o18b2o89bobo8b2o$32bo3bo17b2o90b2o6b
o2bo$31bo5bo16b2o97bo15bobo$26b2o2b2obo3bo8bo4bobo99bo10b3o2bo3bo$26b
2o3bo5bo9bo3bo28bo19b2o6b2o6bo36bo19bo$32bo3bo5bo2b3o10b2o18bobo18bo2b
o4bo2bo4bobo36bo2bo2b2o7bo4bo4b2o$34b2o21bobo19b2o18bo2bo4bo2bo5bo39b
2o2bo2bobo7bo5b2o$59bo39bo2bo4bo2bo5b3o5bo36b3o5bo3bo$100b2o6b2o8bo4bo
45bobo$89bo33b3o22b3o$90b2o5b2o49bo$53b2o34b2o6b2o50bo4bo$53b2o98bo$
153b3o$39bo23b2o34bo$34bo4b4o20bo34bobo$34bo5b4o10b2o5bobo35bo56b2o9b
2o$29b2o9bo2bo9bobo5b2o37b3o53bobo7bobo$29b2o9b4o8b3o30b2o15bo47bo5bo
8bo6b2o$39b4o8b3o31bo9bo53bobo13bo2bo2bo2bob2o$39bo12b3o21bo6bobo7bobo
8bo37b2o4bob2o13bo6b2o2b2o$53bobo17b4o6b2o9b2o7bo38b2o3b2ob2o14bobo$
54b2o8bo7b4o27b3o3bo38bob2o15b2o$63bobo6bo2bo32bo40bobo$62bo3b2o4b4o
10b2o20b3o39bo$62bo3b2o5b4o10b2o$62bo3b2o8bo9bo$53b2o8bobo$52bobo9bo$
52bo20bobo$51b2o21b2o$74bo2$78b2o$78b2o$101bo$65b2o33b2o$64b3o3b2obo
25bo2bo$61bob2o5bo3bo2bo21bobo$54b2o5bo2bo4bo4bo2b2o21b2o$54b2o5bob2o
4b4o5b2o8b2o$64b3o3bo7b3o7b2o$65b2o11b2o15b2o$77b2o16bobo$77bo16bo2bo$
95b2o$95bo7$93bo$92b2o$91bo2bo$91bobo$92b2o3$87b2o$87bobo$86bo2bo$87b
2o$87bo7$85bo$84b2o$83bo2bo16bo$83bobo16b2o$84b2o15b2o11b2o$91b2o7b3o
7bo3b3o$91b2o8b2o5b4o4b2obo5b2o$79b2o21b2o2bo4bo4bo2bo5b2o$79bobo21bo
2bo3bo5b2obo$78bo2bo25bob2o3b3o$79b2o33b2o$79bo$101b2o$101b2o2$106bo$
105b2o21b2o$105bobo20bo$116bo9bobo$115bobo8b2o$94bo9bo8b2o3bo$92b2o10b
4o5b2o3bo$30bo39b3o20b2o10b4o4b2o3bo$29bobo40bo32bo2bo6bobo$12b2o15b2o
bo38bo3b3o27b4o7bo8b2o$12bobo14b2ob2o3b2o38bo7b2o9b2o6b4o17bobo$3b2o2b
2o6bo13b2obo4b2o37bo8bobo7bobo6bo21b3o12bo$3b2obo2bo2bo2bo13bobo53bo9b
o31b3o8b4o$7b2o6bo8bo5bo47bo15b2o30b3o8b4o9b2o$12bobo7bobo53b3o37b2o5b
obo9bo2bo9b2o$12b2o9b2o56bo35bobo5b2o10b4o5bo$80bobo34bo20b4o4bo$81bo
34b2o23bo$25b3o$27bo98b2o$26bo4bo50b2o6b2o34b2o$32bo49b2o5b2o$30b3o22b
3o33bo$9bobo45bo4bo8b2o6b2o$7bo3bo5b3o36bo5b3o5bo2bo4bo2bo39bo$2o5bo7b
obo2bo2b2o39bo5bo2bo4bo2bo18b2o19bobo21b2o$2o4bo4bo7b2o2bo2bo36bobo4bo
2bo4bo2bo18bobo18b2o10b3o2bo5bo3bo$7bo19bo36bo6b2o6b2o19bo28bo3bo9bo5b
o3b2o$7bo3bo2b3o10bo99bobo4bo8bo3bob2o2b2o$9bobo15bo97b2o16bo5bo$23bo
2bo6b2o90b2o17bo3bo$23b2o8bobo89b2o18b2o$35bo27b2o3b2o51b2o4bobo$35b2o
27b5o51bobo6bo$64b2ob2o51bo$35b2o9bo17b2ob2o36b2o12b2o$35bo11bo17b3o
36b2o$26bo6bobo4b3o2b3o6b2o43bo6bo12b2o$26bobo4b2o7bo11bobo42b2o19bo$
9b2o18b2o10bo7b2o6bo32b2o2b2o4b2o18bobo7b2o$7bo3bo17b2o17bo2bo2bo2bo
10b2o20b2o2b2o4b3o12b2o4b2o5bo2bo$6bo5bo16b2o17b3o6bo10bo25b2o4b2o13bo
bo9bo15bobo$b2o2b2obo3bo8bo4bobo17b3o5bobo6b2o4b3o27b2o8b2o4bo11bo10b
3o2bo3bo$b2o3bo5bo9bo3bo18bobo6b2o7bobo5bo27bo9bobo15bo19bo$7bo3bo5bo
2b3o22bo19bo45bo16bo2bo2b2o7bo4bo4b2o$9b2o33b2o19b2o44b2o17b2o2bo2bobo
7bo5b2o$135b3o5bo3bo$143bobo5$25b3o$14bo12bo$9bo4b4o8bo$9bo5b4o10b2o
99b2o9b2o$4b2o9bo2bo9bobo99bobo7bobo$4b2o9b4o8b3o4b2ob3o84bo5bo8bo6b2o
$14b4o8b3o4bo2b4o83bobo13bo2bo2bo2bob2o$14bo12b3o4b2o80b2o4bob2o13bo6b
2o2b2o$28bobo85b2o3b2ob2o14bobo$29b2o91bob2o15b2o$123bobo$124bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Entity Valkyrie » February 20th, 2019, 6:22 am

My custom P4600 Crystal and Decay.
The unoptimal P92 gun, and P46 reflector, were discovered by myself.
Known??

x = 125, y = 110, rule = B3/S23
31b2o10b2o$31bo12bo$33bo8bo$29b5o2bo2bo2b5o$28bo5b8o5bo$28bob5o6b5obo$
31bo4b4o4bo$29b2o2bo2bo2bo2bo2b2o$32b2o8b2o$31b2o10b2o$3b2o26b2o10b2o$
2bobo27bo4b2o4bo$3bo29b2o6b2o2$12bobo2b2o15bo6bo$2o9bo3bob3o4b2o9b6o$
2o10bo6b2o3b2o$13b5obo$16b3o23bo$41bob2o$16b3o26bo$13b5obo21bo2bobo$2o
10bo6b2o18bo3bo2bo$2o9bo3bob3o18b3o3b2o$12bobo2b2o19b3o$37b2ob2o$3bo
34b3o$2bobo33b3o16bo$3b2o50b3o$54bo$54b2o$29bo5bo$28b3o3b3o$27bo3bobo
3bo$27bo9bo$28b3o3b3o2$52bo$53bo$23b2o15b2o9b3o$23bobo13bobo$24bo15bo$
28b2o5b2o$28b2o5b2o17$75bo$76bo$74b3o10$116b2o$115bobo$115bo$114b2o2$
77b2o44b2o$76bobo43bobo$76bo45bo$75b2o44b2o2$105b2o9bo4b2o$98bo5bo2bo
7bobo2bobo$99bo4bo2bo6b2ob2o2bo$97b3o4bo2bo14b3o$105b2o17bo$73b2o11bo
9bo$73bo2b6o3bobo7bobo$74b2o6b4obo$71b3o13bob2o$71bo2bobo5b2o2b2ob2o$
72b2o13bo$79b2o4bobo7bobo15b2o$79b2o4b2o9bo16b2o2b2o$117bobo$119bo$
119b2o$94b3o8b2o$84b2obo6bobo8b2o$84bob2o6bobo2$106b2o$106bo$107b3o$
95bo13bo$92bobobo$90b3ob2obo$89bo7bo$89b2o6b2o!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Freywa » February 20th, 2019, 4:41 pm

Entity Valkyrie wrote:My custom P4600 Crystal and Decay.
The unoptimal P92 gun, and P46 reflector, were discovered by myself.
Known??

Almost everything in Conway's Life is a novelty, so novelties are not interesting, regardless of whether they are known or not.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby testitemqlstudop » February 20th, 2019, 5:15 pm

Hmmmmm...
Freywa (implied) wrote: The blinker is an uninteresting novelty

Freywa (implied) wrote: Sir Robin is an uninteresting novelty


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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Entity Valkyrie » February 20th, 2019, 6:15 pm

Freywa wrote:
Entity Valkyrie wrote:My custom P4600 Crystal and Decay.
The unoptimal P92 gun, and P46 reflector, were discovered by myself.
Known??

Almost everything in Conway's Life is a novelty, so novelties are not interesting, regardless of whether they are known or not.


I meant is the reaction to produce the block known?
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby dvgrn » February 20th, 2019, 7:59 pm

testitemqlstudop wrote:Hmmmmm...
Freywa (implied) wrote: The blinker is an uninteresting novelty

Freywa (implied) wrote: Sir Robin is an uninteresting novelty


That's not quite what I'm reading as Freywa's implication. Freywa's post was triggered by Entity Valkyrie's question:

Entity Valkyrie wrote:Known??

The crystal and decay mechanism have been known for decades.

But this particular 180-degree reflection quite possibly has never been used before to restart crystal growth.

On the other hand, there doesn't seem to be any reason to learn this new variant, because it uses an unnecessarily complicated method of restarting the crystal growth. Here's Dean Hickerson's version from almost three decades ago -- also using two pipsquirter domino sparks, but in different positions from EV's version, which allows for a much cleaner restart:

#N Crystal&decay 6600
#C A p150 gun fires at a pair of pentadecathlons.  When the first glider
#C hits the PDs, it is reflected back and hits the second, forming a
#C honey farm.  Subsequent gliders form a crystal growing upstream.  When
#C the crystal reaches an eater near the gun, it begins to decay.
#C When it's all gone, the cycle begins again.
#C The period of this pattern is 6600, but by moving the PDs, any period
#C of the form  750 + 1950n  (n>=0)  can be obtained.
#O Dean Hickerson, 3/27/90
x = 96, y = 113, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5b2o3$5bo$4bobo$3bo3bo$3b5o16b2o$2b2o3b2o15bobo$3b5o11b2o6bo11bob
o$4b3o8b2obo2bo2bo2bo10bo2bo4bo$5bo9b2o2b2o6bo9b2o5b2o$24bobo8b2o3bo8b
2o$24b2o11b2o10b2o$29bo8bo2bo$4bo22b2o10bobo$6b2o20b2o$5b3o$5b2o$6bo$
5bobo$6b2o$20bobo$20b2o$2obob2o14bo2$o5bo6bo$14b2o$b2ob2o7b2o$3bo3$35b
o$33b3o$3b2o15bobo9bo$3b2o16b2o9b2o$21bo6$20b2o$20bo$21b3o$23bo26$58bo
$59b2o$58b2o16$86bo6bo$85b2o6b2o$84b3o6b3o$85b2o6b2o$86bo6bo4$79bo$79b
o2$79bo$78bobo2$78b3o3$78b3o2$78bobo$79bo2$79bo$79bo!

So it's definitely not true that novelties are always uninteresting.

However, it's certainly true that new never-before-seen random combinations of known pieces are likely to be uninteresting, unless they solve some problem in a better way than any previous pattern -- smaller, faster to recover, lower population, lower period, or basically whatever criterion you want to advertise.

If a pattern is not any kind of improvement over existing technology, then "Known??" is just not a very appropriate question.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Hdjensofjfnen » February 20th, 2019, 8:05 pm

This not-so-useful transparent loaf:
x = 8, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
.2E$E2.E$.E.E$2.E$4.3A$7.A$7.A!
Life is hard. Deal with it.
My favorite oscillator of all time:
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S2-i3-y4i
4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Moosey » February 20th, 2019, 8:14 pm

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:This not-so-useful transparent loaf:
x = 8, y = 7, rule = LifeHistory
.2E$E2.E$.E.E$2.E$4.3A$7.A$7.A!

Well, that pattern IS an R-pentomino predecessor, so that is a very tight R-pentomino grandparent eater that likely can never be used. Still.
x = 4, y = 3, rule = B3/S23
3o$3bo$3bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby mniemiec » February 20th, 2019, 8:50 pm

Hdjensofjfnen wrote:This not-so-useful transparent loaf: ...

A good exercise would be to try to find any way to get that R-grandparent into that position in the first place, without having previously interacted with the loaf. It's possible to do, but not easy.
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Hdjensofjfnen » February 20th, 2019, 8:59 pm

mniemiec wrote:
Hdjensofjfnen wrote:This not-so-useful transparent loaf: ...

A good exercise would be to try to find any way to get that R-grandparent into that position in the first place, without having previously interacted with the loaf. It's possible to do, but not easy.

I observed it from soup (xp0_cismirroredrbee):
x = 15, y = 5, rule = B3/S23
5b2obob3o$bob4ob2ob4o$ob2o5b2o2b2o$obo2b10o$b8o2bo!
Life is hard. Deal with it.
My favorite oscillator of all time:
x = 7, y = 5, rule = B3/S2-i3-y4i
4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!
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Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries

Postby Hdjensofjfnen » February 24th, 2019, 10:17 pm

Sorry for double posting, but here is an Octagon 3.5, made from an Octagon 3 on one axis and an Octagon 4 on the other:
x = 18, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
8b2o$8b2o3$6bo4bo$2b2obob4obob2o$o5bo4bo5bo$o5bo4bo5bo$o5bo4bo5bo$2b2o
bob4obob2o$6bo4bo3$8b2o$8b2o!
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4b3o$6bo$o3b3o$2o$bo!
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