The Hunting of the Spark Conduits

[dvgrn]

There is a B-turner eater which makes a banana spark and I want to make a B-turner to H.

I understand the theory, but this isn't specific enough yet. I just tried searching on "B-turner eater" but didn't immediately find the eater you're describing.

Probably I could dig up your reference if I worked hard enough -- but you clearly know where to find this B-turner eater, and you're the one making the request, so it seems like the ball is more in your court to communicate your request clearly. If you include a link to the B-turner eater, then people would easily be able to tell what searches they could run to help solve your problem.

-- Not that they necessarily _will_ run those searches! But they're a lot more likely to do that if you specify the problem clearly, and if you make it look like an interesting problem.

If you just say you "need a banana spark to H", then there are very likely all kinds of possible searches that, even if they gave results, wouldn't actually help solve your problem.

[b-engine]

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I understand the theory, but this isn't specific enough yet. I just tried searching on "B-turner eater" but didn't immediately find the eater you're describing.
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This is it:

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x = 12, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
.2A$.2A4$.3E$E2.E$2.E$2.E5.2A$8.A.A$10.A$4.D5.2A$2.2D!

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It can be eaten by an eater 1 and a block.
I have not included another active region because I am not sure the last active region has been converted into a 'standard' methuselah.

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x = 12, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
b2o$b2o4$b3o$o2bo$2bo$2bo5b2o$8bobo$10bo$10b2o!
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There is a B-turner eater which makes a banana spark and I want to make a B-turner to H.

It already exists:

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x = 18, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
9.3E4.2A$8.E2.E4.2A$10.E$10.E$A.2A$2A.A2$9.2C$9.2C16$9.3D$11.D$10.3D!

[HerscheltheHerschel]

There is a B-turner eater which makes a banana spark and I want to make a B-turner to H.

I understand the theory, but this isn't specific enough yet. I just tried searching on "B-turner eater" but didn't immediately find the eater you're describing.

Probably I could dig up your reference if I worked hard enough -- but you clearly know where to find this B-turner eater, and you're the one making the request, so it seems like the ball is more in your court to communicate your request clearly. If you include a link to the B-turner eater, then people would easily be able to tell what searches they could run to help solve your problem.

-- Not that they necessarily _will_ run those searches! But they're a lot more likely to do that if you specify the problem clearly, and if you make it look like an interesting problem.

If you just say you "need a banana spark to H", then there are very likely all kinds of possible searches that, even if they gave results, wouldn't actually help solve your problem.

The B-turner eater was in the "Catalyzes (Game)" thread.

[HerscheltheHerschel]

It already exists:

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x = 18, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
9.3E4.2A$8.E2.E4.2A$10.E$10.E$A.2A$2A.A2$9.2C$9.2C16$9.3D$11.D$10.3D!

the clearance is too low

[b-engine]

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the clearance is too low

Better input clearance:

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x = 18, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
9.3E$8.E2.E4.2A$10.E5.2A$10.E$A.2A$2A.A2$9.2C$9.2C16$9.3D$11.D$10.3D!

[HerscheltheHerschel]

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the clearance is too low

Better input clearance:

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x = 18, y = 27, rule = LifeHistory
9.3E$8.E2.E4.2A$10.E5.2A$10.E$A.2A$2A.A2$9.2C$9.2C16$9.3D$11.D$10.3D!

still low clearance

[b-engine]

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still low clearance

Do you notice that the B-turner eater also has low clearance?

[qqd]

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still low clearance

Do you notice that the B-turner eater also has low clearance?

Clearance according to which direction, exactly? There are no conduits with a B-turner output, so the concept of 'clearance' here is vague. For example, if this B-turner came from the north, then we would say this conduit has very high clearance. If it came in any other direction, however, it would have very low clearance. But currently you have no way of making the active region from a well-researched one, so I don't think this 'clearance' problem is meaningful.

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EDIT: On-topic; TL+blinker spark to G, once again using the Snark64 trick:

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x = 24, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
14bo$13bobo$13bob3o$10b2obo4bo$10bobobobobo$12bobob2o4b2o$11bobo8bo$12b
o7bobo$20b2o3$o3bo4b2o$o2b2o3bo2bo$o3bo4b2o6$17b2o$4b2o10bobo$3bobo10b
2o$b3obobo$o5b2o3b2o3b4o$2o9b2o4bo2bo$15bo3b2o$15b2o!

It is used in this Pi-to-G:

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x = 30, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
20bo$19bobo$o18bob3o$3o13b2obo4bo$3bo12bobobobobo$2b2o14bobob2o4b2o$
17bobo8bo$18bo7bobo$26b2o3$3b3o9b2o$5bo8bo2bo$3b3o9b2o6$2b2o19b2o$3bo
6b2o10bobo$3o6bobo10b2o$o6b3obobo$6bo5b2o3b2o3b4o$6b2o9b2o4bo2bo$21bo
3b2o$21b2o!
[[ STOP 16 ]]

[b-engine]

B-turner has 3-glider synthesis, but it's not suitable with low clearance conduits, so we'll need to find another way to form it:

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x = 15, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
8.DA$.A7.C.A$2.A3.2D.CA$3A5.2D7$13.A$12.2A$12.A.A!

[dvgrn]

B-turner has 3-glider synthesis, but it's not suitable with low clearance conduits, so we'll need to find another way to form it...

There are quite a few octohash results for the B-turner plus various sparks -- found by searching for the various B-turner descendants shown here:

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x = 325, y = 141, rule = B3/S23
3bobo62b2o71bo$3bob2o60bo2bo70bo$3b3o61bo2bo70bo$68b2o10b2o50bo$75b2o
2b2o50bobo3b2o$74bo2bo3bo50bobob2o$74bo2bo55b2o3bo$75b2o28$69b2ob2o55b
2o3bo58bo8b2o$69b2ob2o55b2o3bo58bo4b2ob2o$134bo58bo4b2o3bo$131bo5b2o$
69b2o59b2o5b2o56bo$69b2o59bobo62bo3b2o$195bo3b2o$65b2o2b2o$65b2o2b2o2$
69bo$68b2o$68bobo24$68bo64bo63bo60bo$68bo63bobo62bo60bo$68bo58b2o3bobo
62bo60bo$126bo2bo3bo57bo63bo$62b2o63b2o6b3o52bobo61bobo$62b2o71bo54bob
o61bobo$66b2ob2o59b3o3bo54bo3b2ob2o55bo5b2o$66b2ob2o124b2ob2o60bo2bo$
261b2o2b2o$66bo128bo69bobo$65b2o127b2o69bo$65bobo126bobo42$259bo64bo$
259bo64bo$259bo64bo2$322bo$3b2o63bo5b2o55bo189bobo$2o3bo61bobo3bo2bo
54b3o61bo61b2o61bo2bo$2ob2o62bobo3bo2bo57bo59bobo59bo2bo61b2o$2b2o64bo
5b2o57b2o59bobo60b2o2b2o$139bo55bo65bobo59bo$69b2o67bobo56b3o61bo60b2o
$69bobo66bo2bo51bo3bo124bobo$69bo69b2o51bobo3bo$192b2o$138bo$137b2o$
137bobo!

The odds are good that one or more of these could be used to make an engineered something-to-B-turner, but I'm not seeing any lucky options, so engineered solutions would all be really huge and unwieldy. Probably just have to cross fingers and search for converters with direct edgy B-turner outputs.

[AlbertArmStain]

Not too interesting H-to-phi:

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x = 33, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
23.AB$22.A.AB.B$6.2A13.B.2A2B2A$7.A11.6B.B2A$7.A.AB7.6B3.B$8.2AB.3B3.
7B$10.16B$10.16B$11.15B$10.16B$8.18B$6.19B$6.2BC16B$5.3BCBC4B.9B$6.2B
3C4B2.7B$5.5BC4B2.9B$4.10B4.8B$3.4B10.10B$2.4B12.7B2A$.4B13.7BABA$4B12.
2D8B2AB$3B11.BD2BD5B.4B$2B11.2BD2BD4B5.B2A$B13.BD2BD5B4.BA.A$16.2D5B8.
A$19.3B9.2A!

[C28]

U-turner to phi

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x = 20, y = 23, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$6bo$6bobo8b3o$7b2o8b3o$16bobo$16b2o6$9b2o$4b2o2bo2bo$bo2bo4bobo$
obobo5bo$bo2bob2o$4bo2bo$5bo4bo$6b5o2$8bo$7bobo$8bo!

[Jormungant]

I got this G-to-spark, it has repeat time 96:

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x = 46, y = 44, rule = LifeHistory
$40.C$39.C$39.3C12$15.C$15.3C$18.C2.B$17.2C3B$3.A.2A13.4B5.A$3.2A2.A
9.8B3.A.A$6.A12.5B4.A.A$2.A.2A.3A8.5B4.2A.3A$2.2A.A.A2.A7.6B4.B4.A$6.
3B2AB5.6B4.2AB3A$8.4B4.C6B4.2A.A$10.5BC2.6B.4B$9.2BA3B3C9B$9.BABA15B$
9.A2BA16B$9.B2A18B$9.21B$7.2AB.18B$6.A.AB3.15B$6.A4.10B.6B$5.2A4.2A4.
3B3.4B$12.A10.4B$9.3A12.3B$9.A!

But I have not clue how to use it... I mean there is this thing, but really...

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x = 51, y = 55, rule = LifeHistory
3$44.C$43.C$43.3C12$19.C$19.3C$22.C2.B$21.2C3B$7.A.2A13.4B5.A$7.2A2.A
9.8B3.A.A$10.A12.5B4.A.A$6.A.2A.3A8.5B4.2A.3A$6.2A.A.A2.A7.6B4.B4.A$
10.3B2AB5.6B4.2AB3A$12.4B4.C6B4.2A.A$14.5BC2.6B.4B$13.2BA3B3C9B$13.BA
BA15B$13.A2BA16B$13.B2A18B$13.21B$11.2AB.18B$10.A.AB3.7B.7B$10.A4.10B
.6B6.2B$9.2A4.2A4.3B3.6B2.5B$16.A10.10B.DB$13.3A12.9B.DBD$13.A16.7B.
3D$24.2A4.B2C7BD$24.2A4.B2C2B2.3B$30.2B!

[hotcrystal0]

Not too interesting H-to-phi:

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x = 33, y = 26, rule = LifeHistory
23.AB$22.A.AB.B$6.2A13.B.2A2B2A$7.A11.6B.B2A$7.A.AB7.6B3.B$8.2AB.3B3.
7B$10.16B$10.16B$11.15B$10.16B$8.18B$6.19B$6.2BC16B$5.3BCBC4B.9B$6.2B
3C4B2.7B$5.5BC4B2.9B$4.10B4.8B$3.4B10.10B$2.4B12.7B2A$.4B13.7BABA$4B12.
2D8B2AB$3B11.BD2BD5B.4B$2B11.2BD2BD4B5.B2A$B13.BD2BD5B4.BA.A$16.2D5B8.
A$19.3B9.2A!

Unrelated Herschel-to-phi spark:

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x = 24, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
2o$bo13b2o$bobo11b2o$2b2o7$2bo$2bobo$2b3o$4bo4$15bo$14bobo$8b2o4bobo4b
2o$8bobo4bo4bobo$10bo9bo$10b2o7b2o$15bo$14bobo$8b2o4bobo4b2o$8bo2bo3b
o3bo2bo$9b3o7b3o2$7b7o3b7o$7bo6bobo6bo$8bobob2o3b2obobo$9b2obo5bob2o$
14bobo$13b2ob2o!

It’s derived from this:

Is this H-to-X block catalyst known?

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x = 15, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
13b2o$13b2o8$o$obo$3o$2bo!

[C28]

phi spark predecessor to glider

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x = 9, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
8bo$7bo$6bo$bo4bo$obo3bo$bo5bo$8bo2$7b2o$7b2o!