Suggested LifeWiki edits

[danny]

But it would be kind of nice to have some kind of a "home page" for each still life, even if most of them won't get used or visited much (or at all). Maybe the Catagolue page for each <17-bit still life would make a good standard go-to location.

Idea (probably not practical): A lifeviewer where you can draw an object and hit a button on the side and it will display some basic information about it, at least the Catagolue page, and names for some.

[Apple Bottom]

Should we have a page for every single still life under 14 or 17 cells?

No, I don't think so.

I'm less concerned about clutter than Dave is. Wikis aren't paper, and this is just another one of your "will ${PROJECT} ever have ${FEATURE}" questions; it's not like you will actually create high-quality articles (or even low-quality stubs, for that matter) for all those still lifes. And noone else will either.

(This isn't to say I'm entirely unconcerned about clutter in principle. 5000+ still life articles would be overkill; many don't even have names and have (probably) not been used or seen anywhere outside of automatic enumerations and soup searching. So why give them entries?)

That said, I do think we've got much bigger fish to fry on the wiki. For instance, there's no pages for a whole lot of other, much more interesting patterns. The POTY page might be a good starting point, and there's quite a few red links elsewhere as well.

Idea (probably not practical): A lifeviewer where you can draw an object and hit a button on the side and it will display some basic information about it, at least the Catagolue page, and names for some.

This, on the other hand, sounds quite cool. I don't think it's altogether unreasonable either, though you'd have to talk to rowett into adding the necessary functionality to the LifeViewer codebase. Once that's done, both the wiki, the forum, and any other place that uses the LifeViewer would benefit.

[dvgrn]

That said, I do think we've got much bigger fish to fry on the wiki. For instance, there's no pages for a whole lot of other, much more interesting patterns. The POTY page might be a good starting point, and there's quite a few red links elsewhere as well.

Not to mention that the Life Lexicon now suddenly has several hundred more terms, and many of them would benefit from an entry in the LifeWiki where there's room for more detail than a Lexicon entry allows.

...you'd have to talk to rowett into adding the necessary functionality to the LifeViewer codebase. Once that's done, both the wiki, the forum, and any other place that uses the LifeViewer would benefit.

Hmm, it's true that editing functionality was theoretically somewhere on the To-Do list for LifeViewer, last time I heard. But it's a big new feature, and I don't know if it's safe to mention things like this when support for Larger than Life rules is still on the backlog (!).

[rowett]

...you'd have to talk to rowett into adding the necessary functionality to the LifeViewer codebase. Once that's done, both the wiki, the forum, and any other place that uses the LifeViewer would benefit.

Hmm, it's true that editing functionality was theoretically somewhere on the To-Do list for LifeViewer, last time I heard.

Editing functionality holds the record for having been on the To-Do list for the most days. Ironically editing was one of the first things I ripped out when I branched the code from the original LifeViewer web site to create the plugin we use here.

Plus this sounds more than editing. It's editing and then a pattern based search.

I don't know if it's safe to mention things like this when support for Larger than Life rules is still on the backlog (!).

Technically speaking Larger than Life support is WIP (work in progress) rather than a backlog item.

[Apple Bottom]

Plus this sounds more than editing. It's editing and then a pattern based search.

Not much more though -- basically just an apgcode encoder, which should be a relatively straightforward conversion of the existing Python code floating around on the forums, and then opening a link to some external site such as the LifeWiki or Catagolue's glider synthesis.

But yes, it's still work that needs to be done, and still takes time that could be spent elsewhere, on other things.

[Majestas32]

That said, I do think we've got much bigger fish to fry on the wiki. For instance, there's no pages for a whole lot of other, much more interesting patterns. The POTY page might be a good starting point, and there's quite a few red links elsewhere as well.

And interesting rules, don't forget. (While a few of them do, they're often tiny stubs)

[danny]

The pattern search wouldn't have to be embedded into lifeviewer, just the wiki.

[Apple Bottom]

The pattern search wouldn't have to be embedded into lifeviewer, just the wiki.

"just" the wiki, he says...!

It would easier to do in the LifeViewer since a fair part of the necessary machinery is already present there. Duplicating that effort would just lead to... well, duplicated effort.

It's a shame rowett's not making available the non-minified LifeViewer code so that others could hack on it, though, isn't it... *cough*

[danny]

Unrelated to previous posts, but Conduit 1 and BFx59H are the same

[Apple Bottom]

Unrelated to previous posts, but Conduit 1 and BFx59H are the same

Thanks for noticing -- merged!

[LaundryPizza03]

Apparently there are now Catagolue censuses about non-totaliatic Generations rules, like this one. List of rules investigated on Catagolue needs to be updated accordingly. ~~~~

[Apple Bottom]

Apparently there are now Catagolue censuses about non-totaliatic Generations rules, like this one. List of rules investigated on Catagolue needs to be updated accordingly. ~~~~

Don't worry, these will show up in the next scheduled update of the List Of Rules(tm), which is due to be made on Saturday, as usual. (Multistate LtL rules as well!)

EDIT: the new update's gone life (no pun intended).

[RedGolpe]

I found a transcription error in the "untouchable" Lifeline Volume 2 page.

The second sentence of the "page 7" paragraph reads

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In general, these are objects consisting of an infinite stable portion and (if activated) a finite unstable portion and (if activated) a finite unstable portion which 'feeds' on the stable portion.

while the original scan (end of page 6) reads

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In general, these are objects consisting of an infinite stable portion and (if activated) a finite unstable portion which 'feeds' on the stable portion.

I would also appreciate the "trusted" tag for the wiki. Thank you in advance.

[dvgrn]

I would also appreciate the "trusted" tag for the wiki. Thank you in advance.

Done! (Left the LifeLine typo for you to fix.)

[RedGolpe]

Thanks, typo fixed.

[Billabob]

Is there a reason we have 14 pages for bipole extensions?

[Apple Bottom]

Is there a reason we have 14 pages for bipole extensions?

Yes.

[Redstoneboi]

http://conwaylife.com/wiki/Loaf_test_tube_baby
doesn't say "The image to the right shows 2 possible stabilizations using loaves" unlike the other versions of test tube baby.

[Entity Valkyrie]

Quote from LifeWiki (page Quetzal):

Quetzal-56
The Q56 gun is a relatively compact Herschel loop, again built by Dietrich Leithner. It uses p4 and p8 oscillators, even though p7 oscillators could have been used. Unlike the p54 gun, it has not been improved upon by using an open track.
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By using p7 oscillators, I improved the Q56 gun by using an open track.

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x = 155, y = 175, rule = B3/S23
113b2o$112bobo$106b2o4bo$104bo2bo2b2ob4o$104b2obobobobo2bo$107bobobobo
$107bobob2o$108bo2$121b2o$112b2o7bo$112b2o5bobo$119b2o$44b2o$44bobo90b
2o$46bo4b2o77bo5bo$42b4ob2o2bo2bo48bo25bo3b2o2bo$42bo2bobobobob2o47bo
26bo4bo3bo$45bobobobo50b3o10b3o12bobo3bo2bo$46b2obobo57b2o4bo19b4o$50b
o59bo5bo$107b3o25b4o$36b2o7b3o59bo22bobo3bo2bo$37bo6bo3bo80bo4bo3bo$
37bobo4bo3bo80bo3b2o2bo$38b2o2b2o5b2o79bo5bo$41bo4bo4bo85b2o$41bo3bobo
3bo$41bo4bob2obo78bo$42b3o83bo2b2o$89bo38b2o$88bo11b2o$48b2o38b3o11bo
5bo$48bo52bo2b2o3bo$49b3o48bo3bo4bo24b2o$51bo47bo2bo3bobo25bobo$36b2o
62b4o32bo$35bobo98b2o$37bo26bo35b4o$62bobo34bo2bo3bobo$63b2o35bo3bo4bo
$101bo2b2o3bo$102bo5bo$100b2o11bo$75bo7b2o28b2o$74bo7bobo27bobo$74b3o
5bo$81b2o24b2o$106bo2b2o26bo$81b4o21b2ob2o24bo2bo$22b2o57bo2bo22b3o29b
o$21bobo41bob2o14bo19b2o25b2o2bo4bo$23bo39b3ob2o9bo5b3o15bobo25b2o2bo
2b4o$62bo13bobo7bo15bo31bo5bo$63b3ob2o8b2o22b2o32b5o$65bobo8b2o41b2o$
65bobo8b2o41bobo13b5o$3b2o61bo9b2o41bo14bo5bo$4bo125b2o2bo2b4o$2bo127b
2o2bo4bo$2b5o14b2o85bo30bo$7bo13bo85bobo25bo2bo$4b3o12bobo86bob3o2b2o
20bo$3bo9b2o4b2o86b2ob2o3b2o14bo$3b4o6b3o90bo2bo20bobo$b2o3bo3b2o2bo
92b4o19bo2bo$o2b3o4b2o52b2ob2obo7bo9b2o41b2o$2obo59b2o2b2ob2o4b2ob2o7b
o18b4o14b2o$3bo67bo3b2ob3o5bobo17bo2bo16b2o$3b2o58b2o10b5o6b2o19b2ob2o
3b2o8bo9b2o$63b2o5b2o4b3o29bob3o2b2o18bobo$70b2o5bo29bobo27bo$11b2o50b
o44bo28b2o$12bo50b2ob2o2b2o$9b3o52bob2ob2o23bo2bo2bo14bo$9bo81bo2b7o
13bobo$91b3o19bo2bo$27b2o66b2obo15b2o$27bobo63b3obobo$27bo52b2o10bo3bo
2bo20b3o$67b2o22bob2ob2ob2o9b2o8bo$66bo2bo21bobo3bobo9bobo9bo$69bo20b
2o2b4obo9bo$69bo16bo5bobobo2b2o7b2o$59b2o5b2obo14b4o4bobo3bo$52bo5bo7b
2o15bo3bo3b2obo3bo53bo$51bo3b2o2bo23bo2bo6bob2obob2o50b2o$51bo4bo3bo
23b3o6bo2b3o2bo42b2o$52bobo3bo2bo5b2o23b2obo3bo44b2ob3o2bobo$57b4o6b2o
23bo2b4o49bo5bo$94bo54b5o$41b2o14b4o12b2o17bo2b4o$41bobo8bobo3bo2bo12b
o17b2obo2bo50b5o$41bo9bo4bo3bo13bob2o15bo40b3o11bo5bo$51bo3b2o2bo15bo
17bobo15b2o3b2o16bo9b2ob3o2bobo$52bo5bo20bo14b2o3b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo18b
o8b2o$59b2o16bo2bo18bobo3bobo3bobo4bo33b2o$78b3o16b2o2b4o2bob2obob4obo
3b2o27bo$52bo25b3o15bo2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo$51bobo8bo2bo2bo10bo16bob
o2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo21bo$51bo2bo7b7o2bo7bo15b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo
21bobo$52b2o15b3o7bo2bo14bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo23bo2bo$64bob2o12bo2bo8b2o
3bob2o3b2o3b3o7b3o23b2o$45b2o16bobob3o10bo3bo12bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo$46b
2o8b2o5bo2bo3bo7b3o3bo10b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo15bo$45bo10bobo3b2ob2o
b2obo11b2o11bobo2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo14b2o9b2o$58bo4bobo3bobo4bo3b3o13b
o2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo13bobo9bobo$58b2o3bob4o2b2o3bobob3o14b2o2b4o2b
ob2obob4obo3b2o26bo$16bo45b2o2bobobo28bobo3bobo3bobo4bo32b2o$15bo2bo
45bo3bobo28b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo$14bo49bo3bob2o39b2o3b2o$14bo4bo2b2o37b2o
bob2obo$13b4o2bo2b2o37bo2b3o2bo$13bo5bo43bo3bob2o$14b5o45b4o2bo26bo$
68bo26bobo$14b5o45b4o2bo17b2o6b2o$13bo5bo11b2o31bo2bob2o7b3o7bo$13b4o
2bo2b2o8b2o35bo8b2o6bobo35bo$14bo4bo2b2o7bo13b2o3b2o15bobo9bobo4b2o36b
2o$14bo31bo2bo2bob2ob2o3b2o3b2o12bo41bobo$15bo2bo25bo4bobo3bobo3bobo
18b2o$16bo21b2o3bob4obob2obo2b4o2b2o14bobo$22bo16bo3bo4bobobobobobo3b
2o2bo13b2o$21bobo15bob2ob2o2bobo5bo4bo2bobo$20bo2bo16bobob2obo2b2o4b2o
4b3ob2o$21b2o19bo4bobo2bo5bobo4bo$41b3o7b3o3b2o3b2obo3b2o$42bo4bobo2bo
5bobo4bo45bo$17b2o9b3o9bobob2obo2b2o4b2o4b3ob2o41bobo$16bobo9bo10bob2o
b2o2bobo5bo4bo2bobo43b2o$16bo12bo9bo3bo4bobobobobobo3b2o2bo18b2o34b2o$
15b2o21b2o3bob4obob2obo2b4o2b2o19b2o33bobo$44bo4bobo3bobo3bobo44b2o10b
o$46bo2bo2bob2ob2o3b2o6bobo35b2o2b2o5b2obo2bo$45b2o3b2o18b2o22b2o16bob
o3bo3b4o$71bo21bobo17bo4b2obo$93bo24bo3b4o$84bob2o4b2obo2bo11b2o7b2o5b
o$83b5o4bo2b4o12bo8bobob2o2bo$83b4o7bo13b3o9bo4bob2o$73b2o17bo2b4o9bo
9b2obobobo$74bo9b3o5b2obo3bo19bobobobo$42b3o29bobo7b3o6bo2b3o2bo17bobo
b2ob2o$42bo32b2o8bo7bob2obob2o15b2o2b3o2bo$43bo47b2obo3bo19bobo5bo$92b
obo3bo19bob5ob2o$92bobobo2b2o18bo4bobo$56bobo31b2o2b4obo20b3o3bo$56b2o
33bobo3bobo22bob2o$57bo13b2o18bob2ob2ob2o17b3o$72bo19bo3bo2bo18bo2b7o$
72bobo18b3obobo21bo2bo2bo$43b2o28b3ob2o16b2obo$43bobo29b2ob2o11b3o$45b
o10b2o18bo2bo11bo2b7o$40bo2bob2o5b2o2b2o17b2ob3o5b2o6bo2bo2bo$40b4o2bo
4bobo21b2o3bo5bobo$44b2o6bo24bob4o5bo$40b4o2bo30bo3bo6b2o$39bo3bob2o7b
2o23b3o$37bo2bo4bo8bo$37b2obob2obo9b3o15b2o$40bo3bob2o9bo14bobo$40b2o
2bobo25bo$38b2o2bobobo24b2o$39bobo2bo2b2o$39bo5bobo$38b2ob5obo$39bo6bo
$39bobo2b2o$40b4o48bo$45b3o45b2o$38b7o2bo44b2o$38bo2bo2bo!

I believe that it might be edited like this:

Quetzal-56
The Q56 gun is a relatively compact Herschel loop, again built by Dietrich Leithner. It uses p4 and p8 oscillators, even though p7 oscillators could have been used. In Oct 2018, Entity Valkyrie improved the gun by using p7 oscillators, leading to a gun with an open track.
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EDIT: I already edited it.

[Ian07]

With the discovery of the new p14 comes the new record-smallest p28 and p42 oscillators, with min. pop. of 46 and 50 cells respectively:

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x = 62, y = 18, rule = B3/S23
b2o5b2o31b2o5b2o$b2o5b2o31b2o5b2o4$4bobo37bobo2$b3o3b3o31b3o3b3o$o9bo
29bo9bo$3o5b3o5b2o22b3o5b3o$bo7bo5bo2bo22bo7bo5b2o$14bobobo36b2o$14bo
2bo$b2o5b2o3bo27b2o5b2o5bo$b2o5b2o4bobo24b2o5b2o4bobo$54bo2bo2b2o$58bo
b2o$56b2o!

I'd appreciate if someone could update the oscillator period list to reflect this.

Also, perhaps it's notable enough to be mentioned in the Catagolue article?

[Apple Bottom]

I'd appreciate if someone could update the oscillator period list to reflect this.

Also, perhaps it's notable enough to be mentioned in the Catagolue article?

Done and done!

[Ian07]

p70 has also been reduced: (min. pop. 52)

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x = 21, y = 15, rule = B3/S23
b2o5b2o$b2o5b2o4$4bobo2$b3o3b3o9b2o$o9bo4b3o2bo$3o5b3o7b2o$bo7bo4bo$
14bo$18b2o$b2o5b2o5b3o2bo$b2o5b2o9b2o!