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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

rowett wrote:You'll need to fix all-rules.txt in Catagolue: r8b74t252s162t222

Aren't they meant to increase when M1 is present, not decrease?
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

I've went ahead and made a merge request for a fixed Globe. Waving human intestines should be changed to a M1 rule as well (the version on the list seems correct).

There's also a bunch of aliases I committed yesterday on there, if you're willing to squeeze those in.
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:
rowett wrote:You'll need to fix all-rules.txt in Catagolue: r8b74t252s162t222

Aren't they meant to increase when M1 is present, not decrease?

Yes, sorry: r8b74t252s164t224

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

- This inconsistency still exists:
`x = 3, y = 3, rule = B346/S12/G7.A\$A.A\$A.A![[ THEME Blues ]]`

`x = 3, y = 3, rule = b346s12g7.A\$A.A\$A.A![[ THEME Blues ]]`

- Will alternating rule aliases ever be added?
- Will the Square Cell theme be added for 2-state rules?
- Can alternating between a range-1 Moore rule and range-1 von Neumann rule be made valid? These two rules are equivalent:
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B1e2ak3einqy4jnry5einqy6ak7e/S01c2-ak3acjkr4-jnry5acjkr6-ak7c83b2ob2obo3bobo\$bo3b2o4bobo\$o3b3o2bob2obo\$3bo6b2o2b2o\$bob3ob2obob2obo\$ob2ob2o2bob2ob2o\$obobo2b2o2b2obo\$b2o2b2ob5obo\$bo4b2obobo2bo\$2o2b2o2b2obobo\$3bo2bo3b3o2bo\$3o2bobo2b2obobo\$2b2obob2o3b2o\$bo2b3o2bo2b4o\$2o4b2obobob3o\$8b4obobo!`

`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B13/S024V3b2ob2obo3bobo\$bo3b2o4bobo\$o3b3o2bob2obo\$3bo6b2o2b2o\$bob3ob2obob2obo\$ob2ob2o2bob2ob2o\$obobo2b2o2b2obo\$b2o2b2ob5obo\$bo4b2obobo2bo\$2o2b2o2b2obobo\$3bo2bo3b3o2bo\$3o2bobo2b2obobo\$2b2obob2o3b2o\$bo2b3o2bo2b4o\$2o4b2obobob3o\$8b4obobo!`

However, only one of these will actually be accepted by LifeViewer:
`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B1e2ak3einqy4jnry5einqy6ak7e/S01c2-ak3acjkr4-jnry5acjkr6-ak7c8|B1357/S13573b2ob2obo3bobo\$bo3b2o4bobo\$o3b3o2bob2obo\$3bo6b2o2b2o\$bob3ob2obob2obo\$ob2ob2o2bob2ob2o\$obobo2b2o2b2obo\$b2o2b2ob5obo\$bo4b2obobo2bo\$2o2b2o2b2obobo\$3bo2bo3b3o2bo\$3o2bobo2b2obobo\$2b2obob2o3b2o\$bo2b3o2bo2b4o\$2o4b2obobob3o\$8b4obobo!`

`x = 16, y = 16, rule = B13/S024V|B1357/S13573b2ob2obo3bobo\$bo3b2o4bobo\$o3b3o2bob2obo\$3bo6b2o2b2o\$bob3ob2obob2obo\$ob2ob2o2bob2ob2o\$obobo2b2o2b2obo\$b2o2b2ob5obo\$bo4b2obobo2bo\$2o2b2o2b2obobo\$3bo2bo3b3o2bo\$3o2bobo2b2obobo\$2b2obob2o3b2o\$bo2b3o2bo2b4o\$2o4b2obobob3o\$8b4obobo!`
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

This pattern seems to run quite fast for the first 30 or so generations before slowing down considerably.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2933&p=49006#p49006
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:This inconsistency still exists

It's on the backlog.

muzik wrote:Will alternating rule aliases ever be added?

Yes.

muzik wrote:Will the Square Cell theme be added for 2-state rules?

Yes. I'm still debating what to do with multi-state.

muzik wrote:Can alternating between a range-1 Moore rule and range-1 von Neumann rule be made valid?

They could be but I'm not sure I see the benefit. The engine supports any range 1 rules (Moore, Hex, von Neumann or MAP) but I didn't think mixing neighbourhoods was helpful.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:This pattern seems to run quite fast for the first 30 or so generations before slowing down considerably.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2933&p=49006#p49006

The current algorithm processes cells within the pattern's bounding box which for a diagonally moving pattern is a bad case. I suspect the performance doesn't get any worse after 64 generations (due to history).

If you want to see it running faster reduce the number of HISTORYSTATES or put it in a not too big Torus.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Can LTL rules with M0 be converted into rules with M1?
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:Can LTL rules with M0 be converted into rules with M1?

I think that might be confusing.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:Will alternating rule aliases ever be added?

Done.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Cheers. Don't forget about these three, though:

muzik wrote:B134578/S02345678|B6i7/S268

This, by the way, is Unidim1, so a first alias for the alternating rulespace. (Unidim2 is B12ci34578/S02345678|B7/S268 and Unidim3 B12ci34578/S02345678|B6i7/S268)
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Are non-isotropic aliases allowed?
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:Are non-isotropic aliases allowed?

Any.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:Are non-isotropic aliases allowed?

Like Socrates? (You have to scroll down to find it)

I always found the rule to be interesting. It was found by rhombic. Toroidalet found this ship later in the same rule:
`#C an (11,1)c/49 Corderoid in a MAP rule. Found by toroidalet.x = 28, y = 14, rule = MAPARYXfhZofugWaH7oaIDogBZofuhogOiAaIDogIAAgAAWaH7oaIDogGiA6ICAAIAAaIDogIAAg00IAmSocrates2o18b3o\$o2bo11bo2bob2obo\$b3o11bobobo\$17bobo\$16bobobo4b2o\$15bo2bo4bob2o\$5b3o6bo12bo\$4bo12bo7b2o\$4bo2bo\$5b2o5b3o\$11bo3bo\$11bobobo\$11bo3bo\$12b3o!`
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

A few non isotropic aliases (of questionable notability):

(viewtopic.php?f=11&t=3097&p=51823#p51823)

FoxLife: MAPARYXfhZofugWaH7oaIFoxBZofuhogOiAaIFoxIAAgAAWaH7oaIFoxGiA6ICAAIAAaIFoxIAAgACAAIAAAAAAAA
(viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2947&p=45889#p45889)

SemiFelineLife: MAPARYXfhZofugWaH7oaIDogBZofuhogOiAaIDogIAAgAAWaH7oaICatGiA6ICAAIAAaICatIAAgACAAIAAAAAAAA
(viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2948&p=45893#p45893)
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Why does LTL generations not play? You also can’t exit a viewer playing LTL generations.
I guess this bug is well known. When will it be fixed?
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Moosey wrote:Why does LTL generations not play? You also can’t exit a viewer playing LTL generations.
I guess this bug is well known. When will it be fixed?

In the next build which is already up on the site.
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:
Moosey wrote:Why does LTL generations not play? You also can’t exit a viewer playing LTL generations.
I guess this bug is well known. When will it be fixed?

In the next build which is already up on the site.

Apparently new builds come late to mobile, it still doesn’t work yet. (For those in the future relative to when I posted this, it is February 13, 2019)
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Moosey wrote:
muzik wrote:
Moosey wrote:Why does LTL generations not play? You also can’t exit a viewer playing LTL generations.
I guess this bug is well known. When will it be fixed?

In the next build which is already up on the site.

Apparently new builds come late to mobile, it still doesn’t work yet. (For those in the future relative to when I posted this, it is February 13, 2019)

http://lazyslug.no-ip.biz/lifeview/plugin/viewer.html .
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Moosey wrote:Why does LTL generations not play? You also can’t exit a viewer playing LTL generations.
I guess this bug is well known. When will it be fixed?

Yes it's a known bug.
I'm waiting for the fixed build to be released here on the forum.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

I don't like how the red theme handles Generations and would rather it used a white fading to red like other themes. Then again, it is more or less a debugging theme, so i'm not sure if that would be better.
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Is it just me, or does build 294 display as build 293 in help?
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:Is it just me, or does build 294 display as build 293 in help?

We will never know.

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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

Will alternating through more than two rules be supported?
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Re: Pattern viewer for forum threads

muzik wrote:Will alternating through more than two rules be supported?

Not currently planned.

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