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Nonrandom random fill in Golly?

Postby velcrorex » July 5th, 2015, 5:35 pm

I'm not sure if this counts as a bug or just a consequence of how the rng works in golly, but I'm getting some not quite random patterns from randomly filling in an area.

Zoom out to Scale = 2^4 : 1
Select an area 8193 x something
Hit Ctrl+5 to randomly fill area 50%
Zoom in and notice stripes in the randomness.

(8193 - 1) is a large power of 2.
Similar results occur when the width is one more than a large power of two

Any thoughts?
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Re: Nonrandom random fill in Golly?

Postby calcyman » July 5th, 2015, 8:19 pm

You get vertical stripes when the width is 8192, rather than diagonal stripes for 8193. Anyway, let's delve into the implementation:

void Selection::RandomFill()
    if (!exists) return;
    // can only use getcell/setcell in limited domain
    if (TooBig()) {
    if (mainptr->generating) {
        // terminate generating loop and set command_pending flag
        mainptr->command_pending = true;
    // save cell changes if undo/redo is enabled and script isn't constructing a pattern
    bool savecells = allowundo && !currlayer->stayclean;
    if (savecells && inscript) SavePendingChanges();
    // no need to kill cells if selection is empty
    bool killcells = !currlayer->algo->isEmpty();
    if ( killcells ) {
        // find pattern edges and compare with selection edges
        bigint top, left, bottom, right;
        currlayer->algo->findedges(&top, &left, &bottom, &right);
        if (Contains(top, left, bottom, right)) {
            // selection encloses entire pattern so create empty universe
            if (savecells) {
                // don't kill pattern otherwise we can't use SaveCellChange below
            } else {
                killcells = false;
        } else if (Outside(top, left, bottom, right)) {
            // selection is completely outside pattern edges
            killcells = false;
    int itop = seltop.toint();
    int ileft = selleft.toint();
    int ibottom = selbottom.toint();
    int iright = selright.toint();
    int wd = iright - ileft + 1;
    int ht = ibottom - itop + 1;
    double maxcount = (double)wd * (double)ht;
    int cntr = 0;
    bool abort = false;
    BeginProgress(_("Randomly filling selection"));
    int cx, cy;
    lifealgo* curralgo = currlayer->algo;
    int livestates = curralgo->NumCellStates() - 1;    // don't count dead state
    for ( cy=itop; cy<=ibottom; cy++ ) {
        for ( cx=ileft; cx<=iright; cx++ ) {
            // randomfill is from 1..100
            if (savecells) {
                // remember cell change only if state changes
                int oldstate = curralgo->getcell(cx, cy);
                if ((rand() % 100) < randomfill) {
                    int newstate = livestates < 2 ? 1 : 1 + (rand() % livestates);
                    if (oldstate != newstate) {
                        curralgo->setcell(cx, cy, newstate);
                        currlayer->undoredo->SaveCellChange(cx, cy, oldstate, newstate);
                } else if (killcells && oldstate > 0) {
                    curralgo->setcell(cx, cy, 0);
                    currlayer->undoredo->SaveCellChange(cx, cy, oldstate, 0);
            } else {
                if ((rand() % 100) < randomfill) {
                    if (livestates < 2) {
                        curralgo->setcell(cx, cy, 1);
                    } else {
                        curralgo->setcell(cx, cy, 1 + (rand() % livestates));
                } else if (killcells) {
                    curralgo->setcell(cx, cy, 0);
            if ((cntr % 4096) == 0) {
                abort = AbortProgress((double)cntr / maxcount, wxEmptyString);
                if (abort) break;
        if (abort) break;
    if (savecells) currlayer->undoredo->RememberCellChanges(_("Random Fill"), currlayer->dirty);
    // update currlayer->dirty AFTER RememberCellChanges

So, Golly is calling the function rand() from cstdlib. The way that this is implemented depends on the toolchain, but glibc implements this either as a linear congruential generator or a linear feedback shift register. Both of these are pretty weak and far from random, so it is unsurprising that even an untrained eye can spot patterns in the output.
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Re: Nonrandom random fill in Golly?

Postby Freywa » July 6th, 2015, 7:40 am

I tried this on Golly for Android and got no such generator malfunctioning. What RNG is used on mobile platforms?
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Re: Nonrandom random fill in Golly?

Postby Andrew » July 11th, 2015, 2:52 am

Anybody got any suggestions for something better than rand()? I'm happy to switch to a better RNG, as long as the performance isn't significantly worse.
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Re: Nonrandom random fill in Golly?

Postby Extrementhusiast » July 11th, 2015, 7:16 pm

Andrew wrote:Anybody got any suggestions for something better than rand()? I'm happy to switch to a better RNG, as long as the performance isn't significantly worse.

Browsing through the Wikipedia page on PRNGs, I found these three:
  • Mersenne twister
  • Well equidistributed long-period linear family
  • xorshift family

Of these, Mersenne seems to be the one most well-known. (I don't think we need a cryptographically secure PRNG for this application.)

This page contains a visualization of various RNGs, including Mersenne, which was found to look the most random. (I also saw that Simon #1 looked second best, but I don't know much about that one.)

Thus, it looks like Mersenne could be the way to go, although there are a few other fairly good options available.
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Re: Nonrandom random fill in Golly?

Postby wwei23 » May 29th, 2017, 1:10 pm

Nevermind, I was using 1024 for the x.
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