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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby danny » October 29th, 2017, 10:41 pm

I would like to try and build a half-baked knightship-like thing in another rule, but I don't know how to go about doing it. The core reaction would be this:
x = 294, y = 27, rule = B2ce4-cint67e8/S14567
10bo4bo$10bo4bo$7bo3bo2bo3bo$9bo6bo5bo$o2bo2bob3ob2ob3obo3bo28bo$9bo6b
o5bo$7bo3bo2bo3bo31bo6bo4bo$10bo4bo31b2o7bo6bo28bo4bo$10bo4bo34bo6bo4b
o28bobo2bobo$87bo2bo3b2o3bo2bo$52bo29b2o2bo16bo$87bo2bo3b2o3bo2bo30bo$
91bobo2bobo35bo$92bo4bo24bo2bo3b2o2bobo3bob2obo$134bo$133bo$164b2o3bob
2obob2obob2obo5$194b3o21b3o21b3o21b3o21b3o$193b5o19b5o19b5o19b5o19b5o$
192b3ob2o18b3ob2o18b3ob2o18b3ob2o18b3ob2o$192b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b2ob2o19b
2ob2o19b2ob2o$192b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o20b4o$193b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o22b2o!

As you can see, the orthogonal spaceship interacts with a still life to displace it by (1,3), and survives unscathed while producing a diagonal spaceship backwards.

Is there anything missing? Should I rub the sparks together to produce an extra glider?
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby toroidalet » October 29th, 2017, 11:21 pm

danny wrote:I would like to try and build a half-baked knightship-like thing in another rule, but I don't know how to go about doing it.

Is there anything missing? Should I rub the sparks together to produce an extra glider?

But you abandoned B37/S2-i34qy which had a similar potential with the T+block reaction. :?
[ignore-see below]Anyway, you should find a way to reflect the glider with another of the sparky ships to create a slow salvo. Also research slow salvo technology in that rule.[/ignore-see below] Also it's probably going to be hard because it's a heisenburp. It's going to be challenging at the least to hit one of those ships with a glider (They move at about 10c/22, faster than the c/4. (A (10,1)c/22 ship may be able to do it. You probably won't find one if you boot up ntzfind, though!)). (I found some of this out when I runned the HBK('s gun))
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby dvgrn » October 29th, 2017, 11:51 pm

danny wrote:As you can see, the orthogonal spaceship interacts with a still life to displace it by (1,3), and survives unscathed while producing a diagonal spaceship backwards.

Is there anything missing? Should I rub the sparks together to produce an extra glider?

Nice potential camelship engine! But, yeah, there's still quite a lot missing.

1) If you look at the two sides of an HBK, you'll see that they're firing gliders in opposite directions. All the NW-traveling gliders in the world won't do you any good, unless they have something to bounce off of. And whatever that something is, it also has to move northeast at (1,-3) [Golly coordinate system].

So, yes, above your current line you might want to have a couple more rows of Weird Loaf Things With Eyes (WELOTHWEYs) being passed by Weird Sparky Line Things, and the sparks from those would have to be able to produce SE gliders.

2) You probably have to be able to produce NW and SE gliders with different timings to achieve Universal Construction Power. Unfortunately your Weird Sparky Line Things are 12c/28, so you can only place or not place a WELOTHWEY every 12 cells along -- there's no fine adjustability, like (1,1) with a half-bakery.

3) Once you have your NW and SE gliders, you have to collide them and produce... something. By rough analogy with the HBK, you'd probably want to make west-traveling Weird Sparky Line Things, which would head back to where the east-traveling WESPLITs are coming from.

4) The west-traveling WESPLITs will have to, maybe, crash into Unknown Something so as to slow-WESPLIT-contruct the right number of synchronized east-traveling WESPLITs at a (1, -3) offset, plus Unknown Something at the same (1,-3) offset, to start the whole cycle over again.

5) Way off in the east, the east-traveling WESPLITs probably have to crash into a Completely Different Unknown Something and get stopped cleanly.... except leaving the same Completely Different Unknown Something at a (1,-3) offset. Maybe some gliders generated down at the east end can take care of that, but it's not trivial.

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It doesn't seem to me as if all of the above problems are solvable in any reasonable amount of time. Which just means that you probably shouldn't try to work by analogy to a half-baked knightship as much as I just did.

You'd have to find the strengths of this new rule and come up with an "over-unity" mechanism unique to WESPLITs and WELOTHWEYs -- figure out where and how you can send arbitrary numbers of gliders to crash into a target, with enough variation in lane and/or timing that you can get universal construction going.

It might well end up looking a lot more like a Caterloopillar than like an HBK -- but with an oblique direction of travel, it would be a Cameloopillar. That's likely to be a good bit trickier to work with than the orthogonal version, for some of the same reasons that the waterbear is so much more of a headache (and more impressive) than the shield bug and centipede.
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby Apple Bottom » October 30th, 2017, 10:47 am

dvgrn wrote:Weird Loaf Things With Eyes (WELOTHWEYs)


dvgrn wrote:Weird Sparky Line Things [...] WESPLITs


I take it these are going straight into the next iteration of the Life Lexicon? ;)
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby wildmyron » October 30th, 2017, 11:30 am

Apple Bottom wrote:
dvgrn wrote:Weird Loaf Things With Eyes (WELOTHWEYs)

dvgrn wrote:Weird Sparky Line Things [...] WESPLITs

I take it these are going straight into the next iteration of the Life Lexicon? ;)

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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby dvgrn » October 30th, 2017, 11:30 am

Apple Bottom wrote:
dvgrn wrote:Weird Loaf Things With Eyes (WELOTHWEYs)

dvgrn wrote:Weird Sparky Line Things [...] WESPLITs

I take it these are going straight into the next iteration of the Life Lexicon? ;)

Yup -- the Alien Life Lexicon, which somebody else is going to have to put together. The B3/S23 Lexicon is already huge enough that there's no way I'm going to let any foreign-rule terminology sneak in there...!
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby eeu » November 1st, 2017, 5:52 pm

What's the name of this period 2 oscillator?
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2o$ob2o2bo$2o4bo$bo3bo$o4b2o$o2b2obo$b2ob2o!
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby danny » November 1st, 2017, 6:58 pm

eeu wrote:What's the name of this period 2 oscillator?
x = 7, y = 7, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2o$ob2o2bo$2o4bo$bo3bo$o4b2o$o2b2obo$b2ob2o!

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That way, by the magic of site programming, it'll appear with a link you can click to play it in the viewer! ^.^
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby danny » November 2nd, 2017, 9:53 pm

toroidalet wrote:Also it's probably going to be hard because it's a heisenburp. It's going to be challenging at the least to hit one of those ships with a glider

I am late, and I've pretty much lost all hope in doing this, but there are several small c/2 (faster than 10c/22) photons that occasionally appear out of soup, for example, the most common one:
x = 6, y = 5, rule = B2ce4-cint67e8/S14567
bo$3obo$ob2obo$3obo$bo!
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby 83bismuth38 » November 3rd, 2017, 7:42 pm

is there a g->2g that spits out the gliders in the same phase?
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby dvgrn » November 3rd, 2017, 7:51 pm

83bismuth38 wrote:is there a g->2g that spits out the gliders in the same phase?

Sure, lots of them. Any G->2G with a rating of Ee0, Eo0, Oe0, or Oo0 will have both output gliders in the same phase. Take your pick, and if you don't like the output direction or spacing, just add Snarks. Actually I suppose by some definitions of "phase", you'll have to add Snarks to get the outputs to be in the same phase -- turn them so they're traveling the same direction, or opposite directions.

Or do you mean "in the same phase as the input glider"? That's also pretty easy to construct, but quite a bit less common. Here's a reasonably small example:

x = 176, y = 91, rule = B3/S23
bo$2bo$3o27$139bo$137b3o$136bo$136b2o$96bo22b2o19b2o$97bo22bo19b2o$95b
3o22bobo$110bo10b2o$108b3o31bo$107bo33bobo$107b2o33bo$92b2o49b3o$93bo
51bo$93bob2o$94bo2bo$95b2o$110b2o$110b2o30b2o$142b2o4$118bo3b2o$117bob
o3bo35b2o$113b2obobo3bo36bo$113b2obo4bo35bobo$117b5obo29b2o2b2o$109b2o
bob2obo4b2o29b2o$109bob2obo2bob2o$102b2o12b2obo10b2o$102b2o17bo3b2o3b
2o$120b2o3b2o38b2o$165b2o7b2o$174bo$124b2o46bobo$125bo4b2o40b2o$122b3o
5b2o$122bo2$141b2o$140bobo$140bo$139b2o23bo$133bo29bobob2o$133b3o25b3o
bobo$136bo23bo3bo4bo$135b2o24bo2bob4o$153b2o7bobobo$153b2o8bo3b3o$127b
2o40bo$127bo$124b2obo$124bo2b3o4b2o$125b2o3bo3b2o$127b4o$127bo15b2o$
128b3o12bobo$131bo13bo$126b5o14b2o$126bo$128bo$127b2o!
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby Naszvadi » November 6th, 2017, 8:59 am

Where to find the smallest LWSS/MWSS/HWSS reflectors and guns in Life that supports the 3 more B3[8]/S23[8] or even other outer-totalistic rules? Also interested in listing 2 LWSS/MWSS/HWSS collisions. Thanks in advance!

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It does not worth a new post to answer.

See more for details (p46 tech.): Twin-bees_shuttle#Image_gallery
Cherry-picked some: ../forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1437&start=425#p52258
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby muzik » November 7th, 2017, 5:29 am

Does this induction coil have a name?
x = 4, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
b3o$o2bo$bobo$2bo!
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby dvgrn » November 7th, 2017, 11:21 pm

muzik wrote:Does this induction coil have a name?

Yes. It's a "loaf with bit", as in Loaf w/bit tie loaf in Mark Niemiec's database. There may be some other label, but that's the only name in current use that I can find offhand.

That 15-bit object seems to be the smallest still life that includes the loaf-with-bit as a component.
It's not named on Catagolue at the moment.
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby Cclee » November 8th, 2017, 12:51 am

What are some small interesting life patterns that I am going to 3-D print on my schools printer
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby gameoflifemaniac » November 10th, 2017, 5:16 pm

Are there any more oscillators of this type? It's a type of a billard table but with the rotor bounded by a rectangle or square.
x = 77, y = 12, rule = B3/S23
28b2obo9b2obo12b2o12b2o$15b2obo9bob2o9bob2o12b2o12b2o$15bob2o$29b3o10b
3o10b4o10b4o$4b2o2b2o6b3o2b2o5bobobob2o5bobobob2o2b2obobo2bo5b2obobo2b
o$2obo2bo2bo2b2obo3bo2bo5bo3bob2o5b2o2bob2o2b2obo3b2o5b2obo2bobo$bobo
2bobo4bobo3bobo3b2obo3bo5b2obo3bo8bo2bobob2o5bo2bobob2o$o2bo2bob2o2bo
2bo3bob2o2b2obo3bo5b2obo3bo8bo4bob2o5bo4bob2o$2o2b2o6b2o2b3o10b3o10b3o
10b4o10b4o2$16b2obo9b2obo9b2obo9b2o12b2o$16bob2o9bob2o9bob2o9b2o12b2o!

These are the only I have found.
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby dvgrn » November 10th, 2017, 6:00 pm

gameoflifemaniac wrote:Are there any more oscillators of this type? It's a type of a billard table but with the rotor bounded by a rectangle or square.

I've never paid a whole lot of attention to these, so all I know is there isn't any such billiard table with a 5x3 interior, but there is a series of larger 2xNs based on your first example:

x = 15, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2o2b2ob2o2b2o$b2o2b2ob2o2b2o2$b13o$obo3bo3bo3bo$obo3bo3bo3bo$b13o2$b
2o2b2ob2o2b2o$b2o2b2ob2o2b2o!

Your definition is based on the bounds of the rotor, so I don't think you'd count nested onion-ring type structures:

x = 25, y = 14, rule = B3/S23
4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o2$4b17o$2obo17bob2o$2obo2b13o2b
ob2o$3bobobo3bo3bo3bobo$3bobobo3bo3bo3bobo$2obo2b13o2bob2o$2obo17bob2o
$4b17o2$4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o$4b2ob2ob2ob2ob2ob2o!
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby gameoflifemaniac » November 11th, 2017, 4:24 am

How to do loops in Lua?
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Re: Thread for basic questions

Postby Saka » November 11th, 2017, 4:55 am

gameoflifemaniac wrote:How to do loops in Lua?

Here's a nice tutorial
Everyone, please stop posting B/S about CA
x = 17, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
b2ob2obo5b2o$11b4obo$2bob3o2bo2b3o$bo3b2o4b2o$o2bo2bob2o3b4o$bob2obo5b
o2b2o$2b2o4bobo2b3o$bo3b5ob2obobo$2bo5bob2o$4bob2o2bobobo!

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