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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Majestas32 » June 8th, 2018, 9:23 am

How about just allowing double backups to show on the symmetry list but not on most popular?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby calcyman » June 8th, 2018, 10:56 am

There is no valid reason to allow double backups.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 77topaz » June 8th, 2018, 5:10 pm

Yeah, I don't see any practical reason why you'd want to make a backup of what is already a backup, either.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Majestas32 » June 8th, 2018, 6:04 pm

Other than having a backup that is more easily accessible (from the syetry list) esp. On mobile?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 77topaz » June 10th, 2018, 8:02 pm

With the rule B2i3ai4cei5c6c7/S2-ae3acein4-t5-aq6cei7c8, a lot of (C1!) sample soups don't appear to contain the objects they're supposed to contain. In particular, a majority of the soups tagged as "yl" (linear growth) don't actually produce any infinite growth when run. Because it's in the C1 symmetry, misalignment of symmetrical parts can't be to blame, so what's causing this?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 2718281828 » June 29th, 2018, 9:23 pm

https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... t5-aky67c8
An oscillator which is actually a linear growth.
x = 49, y = 4, rule = B2kn3aijnr4acik8/S2n3-cek4aint5-aky67c8
45b3o$2o42b5o$2o42b5o$45b3o!
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 77topaz » June 30th, 2018, 7:46 pm

It's not the linear growth pattern itself, but a predecessor of it, which may be what is confusing apgsearch. There have been similar reported high-period oscillators that actually aren't such in other rules as well.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby mniemiec » July 12th, 2018, 2:10 am

The object https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp4_199aaooaa991/b3s23 displays the correct object and links to soups, but instead of the correct name, it shows "?p4". Perhaps somebody gave this pattern the explicit name "?p4"?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Apple Bottom » July 12th, 2018, 4:25 am

mniemiec wrote:The object https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp4_199aaooaa991/b3s23 displays the correct object and links to soups, but instead of the correct name, it shows "?p4". Perhaps somebody gave this pattern the explicit name "?p4"?


Yes, a few objects have names like that:

xp3_69ba99b606b99ab96z69d599d606d995d96 [4-fold]?p3
xp4_199aaooaa991 ?p4
xp5_39u0u93z0fm0mfzc97079c bookends_pair ?p5
xp5_4aarahrrharaa4 hats ?p5


AFAIK quite a few of the Catagolue names are taken from earlier censuses, e.g. Andrzej Okrasinski's and Achim Flammenkamp's. I'm not sure where specifically these came from though.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby danny » August 6th, 2018, 3:34 pm

Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 77topaz » August 6th, 2018, 10:27 pm

In the small preview GIF, you mean? I don't see it.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby mniemiec » August 6th, 2018, 11:44 pm

danny wrote:Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?

To me, it looks like a clean puffer that leaves puffs of disappearing smoke that spontaneously appear well below the body of the ship, - in places where births could not possibly occur in any rule.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby danny » August 7th, 2018, 12:03 am

mniemiec wrote:
danny wrote:Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?

To me, it looks like a clean puffer that leaves puffs of disappearing smoke that spontaneously appear well below the body of the ship, - in places where births could not possibly occur in any rule.

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On topic, here is my PNG screenshot. I would be interested in seeing the quoted post's content, lest it be different than this photo. The lowermost black blinker-like cells start to even blink in and out of the background colour at a point.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby calcyman » August 7th, 2018, 5:56 am

mniemiec wrote:
danny wrote:Interesting glitch:
This xq56

leaves behind pixels on my windows 10, which follow the ship. Does this work on other people's pcs?

To me, it looks like a clean puffer that leaves puffs of disappearing smoke that spontaneously appear well below the body of the ship, - in places where births could not possibly occur in any rule.


Isn't that simply because it's running 56 generations in 2 seconds, which is so fast that your SVG renderer actually skips frames?

I've now slowed down high-period objects to 6 generations per second in the SVG so that all transitions are visible:

http://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b3s23/C1/xp46
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby wwei23 » August 12th, 2018, 9:40 am

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Apple Bottom » August 12th, 2018, 11:36 am

wwei23 wrote:What the heck happened here?


Looks like the stylesheet didn't load properly. Move along, nothing to see here.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby wwei23 » August 23rd, 2018, 8:04 pm

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Apple Bottom wrote:
wwei23 wrote:What the heck happened here?


Looks like the stylesheet didn't load properly. Move along, nothing to see here.

This time the page loaded half right. But how do you load half a stylesheet properly?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Apple Bottom » August 24th, 2018, 3:48 am

wwei23 wrote:This time the page loaded half right. But how do you load half a stylesheet properly?


Could you be so kind and stop posting this sort of thing? It's hardly relevant, and not worth notifying every single last subscriber to the thread of.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 77topaz » August 24th, 2018, 7:31 am

Yeah, it's just caused by browser issues rather than anything going wrong with Catagolue itself.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby testitemqlstudop » August 25th, 2018, 10:42 pm

Majestas32 wrote:b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; --

https://www.xkcd.com/327/
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 77topaz » August 26th, 2018, 12:16 am

testitemqlstudop wrote:
Majestas32 wrote:b3s23"); DROP TABLE objects; --

https://www.xkcd.com/327/


Yes, I'm certain that's what he was referencing.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby testitemqlstudop » August 26th, 2018, 1:16 am

I'll be honest - I was confused about how the peer-reviewing part of the apgsearch client worked, so I went to the source of apgsearch and made it report that I did a trillion soups for each haul of a million soups.
I ran it for a while and it was quite hilarious that on the Catagolue website it displayed my "hauls".
I was confused how my hauls even made it onto the Catagolue website without my IP being banned (somehow).
The next day, however, the hauls were erased.

I'm not sure if anyone remembers this, since it was a year or two ago...
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 26th, 2018, 7:58 am

Both apgmera AND Catagolue messed up on this.
Apgsearch AND Catagolue really messed up here odd
https://catagolue.appspot.com/object/xp ... 3-enq4cint

It's a sqrt/log (I dont know which) but apgsearch labeled it as oscillator and Catagolue says it's valid and is indeed an oscillator...
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby 77topaz » August 26th, 2018, 8:03 am

I think the reason it has a normal-looking Catagolue page is because automatically-checking-if-an-apgcode-is-valid function of Catagolue isn't performed for periods of 100 and over (presumably because it would take too long). Replacing the xp293 in the URL with xp100 returns a similar normal-looking page, while xp99 gives the expected apgcode-is-not-valid error page.
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