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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby drc » August 16th, 2017, 1:58 am

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 16th, 2017, 2:43 am

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 19th, 2017, 11:34 pm

Saka_Test is back with more weird tests. Here they are:
I will always be updating Saka_Test to test if Catagolue will accept these.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby muzik » August 20th, 2017, 5:44 am

Saka wrote:Saka_Test is back with more weird tests. Here they are:
I will always be updating Saka_Test to test if Catagolue will accept these.

Also, the most recent haul you uploaded to it has mites in its name.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby calcyman » August 20th, 2017, 6:02 am

Saka wrote:YEAAAAAAH!


Exclamation marks? In an apgcode? What is the world coming to?

Actually, Java and HTML have something approaching full Unicode support -- and if you were to cram your uploaded haul with many Unicode-heavy apgcodes, the haul size sanity-check (which just counts characters) would under-estimate the length (in bytes) of the UTF-8 encoding, causing Catagolue to attempt to store an entity too large for the Datastore.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 20th, 2017, 6:05 am

calcyman wrote:Exclamation marks? In an apgcode? What is the world coming to?

...causing Catagolue to attempt to store an entity too large for the Datastore.

1. I have no idea
2. Oh, alright. I wont try anymore symbols with things.

muzik wrote:Also, the most recent haul you uploaded to it has mites in its name.

I know lol. That was unintended. I havent tried changing haul names but if you notice, the "version" column has "A very messed up script" for the Mites haul.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby calcyman » August 20th, 2017, 6:26 am

Before someone tries to claim this as an oddity, census keys with more than 25 characters in the right-hand column of https://catagolue.appspot.com/census are displayed without a timestamp. This is deliberate, so that they don't consume too much horizontal space and break the beautiful columnar layout (as they did before).
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby muzik » August 20th, 2017, 6:39 am

calcyman wrote:Before someone tries to claim this as an oddity, census keys with more than 25 characters in the right-hand column of https://catagolue.appspot.com/census are displayed without a timestamp. This is deliberate, so that they don't consume too much horizontal space and break the beautiful columnar layout (as they did before).

I like that actually, the screwed up layout of the site when a long rule appeared really kind of annoyed me
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 20th, 2017, 6:51 am

New haul. Tried lying about the number of soups censused, couldn't do it. Catagolue is pretty smart.
UPDATE: Negative signs in the numbers part of apgcodes (xp(This part)_blahblahblah) returns a 500 error upon visiting the haul and tabulations page, but for still lives, the tabulations still remain fine.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby calcyman » August 20th, 2017, 7:14 am

Saka wrote:New haul. Tried lying about the number of soups censused, couldn't do it. Catagolue is pretty smart.


Are you running an evil verification script? You seem to have rejected four legitimate hauls with a combined size of 33 million soups:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1?committed=4
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 20th, 2017, 7:29 am

calcyman wrote:
Are you running an evil verification script? You seem to have rejected four legitimate hauls with a combined size of 33 million soups:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1?committed=4

Muahaha. I must have accidentally edited the wrong thing :? :oops: undo please...
Can I try something out on C1? Since y's are not counted will xq_153yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy be a new ship I have discovered?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby muzik » August 20th, 2017, 7:33 am

calcyman wrote:
Saka wrote:New haul. Tried lying about the number of soups censused, couldn't do it. Catagolue is pretty smart.


Are you running an evil verification script? You seem to have rejected four legitimate hauls with a combined size of 33 million soups:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3s23/C1?committed=4

Id probably be more concerned about those 19-digit hauls that you uploaded.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 20th, 2017, 7:41 am

muzik wrote:Id probably be more concerned about those 19-digit hauls that you uploaded.

Did you mean IWonderHowLongTheRuleRootThingCanBeSoImJustGoingToTypeSomeWeirdStringHereOhWaitIJustDidLOL? That's not 19 digits, that's 90. Also, I'm taking a break from Saka_Test for a while, just to make Catagolue a bit more clean and because I'm running out of things to test.

EDIT: Or APG's hauls that only have 10000 soups but 1404765157647342140 objects?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby calcyman » August 20th, 2017, 7:43 am

muzik wrote:Id probably be more concerned about those 19-digit hauls that you uploaded.


That was when I was testing v4.0, and they correctly ended up in "committed=4" (i.e. rejected). Basically I'd forgotten to zero a uint64 array.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Saka » August 20th, 2017, 7:48 am

calcyman wrote:
That was when I was testing v4.0, and they correctly ended up in "committed=4" (i.e. rejected). Basically I'd forgotten to zero a uint64 array.

I'm testing in Saka_Test right now, to lie about glider count :D Thanks for the idea!
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby drc » August 22nd, 2017, 6:58 pm

LTL rules don't test whether a still life is actually a still life.

I mean, it should at least be confirmed that the cell count is true for still lifes.

It works for oscillators too
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby toroidalet » August 24th, 2017, 11:06 pm

All record of B2c3ajk46-ak/S1c237e/C1 is gone, possibly due to memory limits.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby muzik » August 25th, 2017, 2:36 am

toroidalet wrote:All record of B2c3ajk46-ak/S1c237e/C1 is gone, possibly due to memory limits.

You sure?
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby wwei23 » August 25th, 2017, 6:13 am

muzik wrote:
toroidalet wrote:All record of B2c3ajk46-ak/S1c237e/C1 is gone, possibly due to memory limits.

You sure?

Yes. That link has
b2c3ajk46-aks1-e237-c8/C1 instead of
b2c3ajk46-aks1-e237-c/C1.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby calcyman » August 25th, 2017, 6:38 am

toroidalet wrote:All record of B2c3ajk46-ak/S1c237e/C1 is gone, possibly due to memory limits.


Are you sure this census ever existed in the first place? It would be very bizarre for a census to simply disappear. Moreover, there aren't even any hauls associated with the census:

http://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b2c3ajk46-aks1c237e/C1?committed=2
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby toroidalet » August 25th, 2017, 10:52 am

It was a mistake, I forgot about the S8. Problem solved.
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby Apple Bottom » August 25th, 2017, 2:20 pm

bprentice wrote:I downloaded Opera together with your extension and it works beautifully. Thank you.


Late reply, but -- you're welcome! :) Glad to hear it's working out for you. The latest release of the extension (4.4) also handles Larger than Life and Generations patterns now, BTW, and generates (as best as I can tell) correct RLE files for both.

calcyman wrote:Before someone tries to claim this as an oddity, census keys with more than 25 characters in the right-hand column of https://catagolue.appspot.com/census are displayed without a timestamp. This is deliberate, so that they don't consume too much horizontal space and break the beautiful columnar layout (as they did before).


This is a welcome change, of course, but I'd still like to note the extension already unbroke the layout on that page as well. ;) (At the cost of having the center column become much wider, potentially.)
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby drc » August 26th, 2017, 3:03 pm

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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby muzik » August 27th, 2017, 1:47 pm

Seems like you can make multiple difference censuses for the same rule depending on how you arrange the conditions:

https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b2 ... 4ict/D2_+1
https://catagolue.appspot.com/census/b2 ... 4cit/D2_+1
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Re: Catagolue Oddities

Postby A for awesome » August 27th, 2017, 2:05 pm

drc wrote:that's not good
Now Chrome blocks as unsafe (which is good because I added an event handler to one of your input fields, which could easily be used for nefarious purposes).
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