The Hunting of the New Herschel Conduits

[praosylen]

Is there anything that can be done along these lines:

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x = 39, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory
17.2C3.2C$16.B2CB.B2CB$16.4B.3B$3.D5.B7.2B3.B6.2B$2.3D3.3B2D20B$.BDB
2D5B2D22B$.34B.2B$37B2C$.34B.B2C$2.30B.3B.B$4.25B$3.CDB.3B.15B$2.C.C
3.B4.12B$3.C3.C.C3.2B2.11B$6.C.2C7.12B$6.C10.12B$5.2C10.12B$18.2B.4B
3CB$22.4BC2B$22.2B3C2B$23.6B$23.7B$25.B.4B!

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I've tried every catalysis I know of and the tub-to-boat is the only one that comes close to working.

[Kazyan]

Here's a Pi-to-R, but the R is well inside the reaction envelope, so right now I think the R-to-G with a pond in it is the only thing that hooks up:

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x = 43, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
20.2D$20.DBD$20.D3B$21.4B$2A20.4B$.A15.3B2.5B$.A.AB8.18B$2.2AB.2B4.
19B$4.5B3.22B$3.2BA3B.24B5.2B$3.BABA10BC.C17B.4B$4.ABA10BCBC8BD13B$3.
2BA11B3C8B2D13B$3.24B2D9B2A2B$4.33BA2BA2B$2.2AB.31BA2BA2B$.A.AB2.31B
2A2B$.A6.23B.10B$2A8.21B2.9B$9.21B5.7B$9.19B5.9B$10.16B7.2A4.2B$12.
13B9.A$14.10B7.3A$18.B.B.2B7.A$17.3B$16.B2AB$17.2A!

[simsim314]

I think the R-to-G with a pond in it is the only thing that hooks up

I've recently found some more R->G that fit here:

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x = 59, y = 47, rule = LifeHistory
4$50.C$48.3C$47.C$47.2C6$48.C$9.2C36.C.C$10.C37.C$10.C.C$11.2C2$14.C$
13.C.C10.C.C$13.C.C10.C.C$14.C11.3C$45.2C$45.2C$11.2C$10.C.C$10.C$9.
2C$44.2C$44.C$45.3C$47.C4$26.2C$26.2C!

Finding the continuation of this one will also make this a full conduit:

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x = 30, y = 18, rule = LifeHistory
12.C$10.3C$2C7.C$.C7.2C$.C.C$2.2C$28.2C$20.2C6.C$20.2C4.C.C$26.2C6$
19.C$18.3C$20.C!

[simeks]

I was quite surprised to find this, the smallest H-to-G so far that works with syringe.

The lane is known but the timing is new, SE5T12:

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x = 20, y = 13, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.A14.2A$.A.A12.2A$2.2A$14.4A$13.A3.A$14.A$12.A.A$12.2A$2.E13.2A$2.
E.E12.A$2.3E12.A.A$4.E13.2A!

[Kazyan]

Pi-to-Pi with a glider output. It's not the standard 6-cell shift:

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x = 24, y = 23, rule = LifeHistory
2A$.A$.A.A$2.2A6$.2A3.3C$.2A3.C.C12.3D$6.C.C14.D$21.3D7$16.2A$16.A$
17.3A$19.A!

[dvgrn]

Pi-to-Pi with a glider output. It's not the standard 6-cell shift...

Is there any known way to get an input pi into this conduit? There's a B-to-pi in the current collection that looks somewhat promising, but it appears to have a catalyst or two missing in the lower right.

Apparently that broken conduit is supposed to be BR241Pi:

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x = 46, y = 50, rule = LifeHistory
21.2A$20.B2A2B$21.4B$10.A11.4B3.3B$10.3A8.4B4.5B$13.A6.14B$12.2AB5.
14B$12.5B3.16B$14.5B.16B$14.22B$14.23B$13.24B4.3B$13.24B.7B$13.23B.B
2A5B$12.25BA2BA5B$10.4BC23B2A6B$9.6BC29B$9.6B2C17B.6B.2B$10.4B2C16B2.
8B.B$11.3BC16B4.6B.B2A$11.20B8.B3.A.A$11.21B12.2A$12.20B3.B$13.20B.B
2A$13.8B3D11B2A$12.9BD14B$11.9B3D13B$10.24B$9.22B6.2A$8.10B.12B6.A$7.
8B5.11B3.BA.A$6.8B9.7B4.B2A$5.8B9.8B2.3B$4.8B9.14B$3.8B9.16B$2.8B8.B.
17B.B$.8B8.2A17B.B2A$8B9.2A19B2A$7B11.18B.2B$6B10.5B2.13B$5B11.2A6.
10B$4B13.A7.9B$3B11.3A8.9B$2B12.A10.8B$B24.7B$26.6B$26.5B$26.BDBDB$
27.DBD$27.3D!

And that's really just Guam's BR146H G4 transmitter, connected in a slightly nonstandard way to a HF95Pi, so it has no more clearance than the standard pi outputs.

I had similar trouble connecting up the output to anything -- even the pi-to-Gs all seem to explode, thanks to that unusual leading spark and glider. Am I missing a rare exception? That eater on the inside corner is in a really awkward position.

[Extrementhusiast]

I had similar trouble connecting up the output to anything -- even the pi-to-Gs all seem to explode, thanks to that unusual leading spark and glider. Am I missing a rare exception? That eater on the inside corner is in a really awkward position.

This Pi-to-C works:

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x = 54, y = 41, rule = B3/S23
34bo2$33b3o$33bo2bo$35b2o10$49b2o$49b2o$2o$bo$bobo$2b2o4$50b2o$50bobo$
b2o3b3o43bo$b2o3bobo12b2o29b2o$6bobo14bo$21b2o7$16b2o2b2o$16bo4bo6b2o$
17b4o7bo$19bo6bobo$21bo4b2o$20b2o!

[Kazyan]

I was looking for other stuff, and just threw it in the bin that is this thread. Put it in the box of other unused connections.

Anyway, quite accessible H-to-HF:

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x = 10, y = 11, rule = B3/S23
3bo$b3o$o$2o$8b2o$8bo$6bobo$o5b2o$obo$3o$2bo!

[dvgrn]

Anyway, quite accessible H-to-HF...

Ooh, I like that one! Almost a dozen ticks when parts of both sides of the pre-honeyfarm can be reached by catalysts.

Still, it's probably going to take at least one transparent object to get a signal out, or a particularly inventive Bellman search -- seems as if simple catalyizations should have been found by now. Have any recent searches been done with CatForce? There's a pre-TL to glider converter, but I don't remember anything with a pre-honeyfarm input going by lately.

[Extrementhusiast]

Still, it's probably going to take at least one transparent object to get a signal out, or a particularly inventive Bellman search -- seems as if simple catalyizations should have been found by now. Have any recent searches been done with CatForce? There's a pre-TL to glider converter, but I don't remember anything with a pre-honeyfarm input going by lately.

I was actually thinking of starting from a B, as I did find this surprising (B+block)-to-H, but it requires the block to be restored (and it might not be the most easily accessible):

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x = 34, y = 29, rule = LifeHistory
17.2C$17.2C7$32.2A$32.A$30.A.A$30.2A$16.2C$17.2C$16.2C$16.C2$30.2A$
30.A.A$32.A$2.2A28.2A$.A.A8.2A$.A9.A.A$2A9.2A2$16.2A$15.A.A$15.A$14.
2A!

And there is the possibility of using a different block to do something à la the R-to-H that turns:

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x = 70, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
6.2A$6.2A5$56.2A3.2A$18.2A36.2A3.2A$18.A$16.A.A$16.2A$2.2C$3.2C$2.2C$
2.C$53.2A13.2A$16.2A35.2A5.A7.2A$16.A.A40.3A$18.A42.A$18.2A5$2.2D$.D.
D$.D$2D!

I haven't yet tried searching without the lower eater on the right (which only deletes a blinker).

[Kazyan]

Here's something a little bizarre: a backwards Pi-to-Pi. Can't be flipped back onto itself to make an oscillator, though. Into the bin it goes.

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x = 32, y = 27, rule = B3/S23
5b2o$5bobo9bobo$6b2o9bobo$2b2o13b3o$bobo$bo$2o5b2o$6bobo$6bo$5b2o6$8b
2o$9bo$6b3o21bo$6bo22bobo$30b2o4$15b2o3b2o$16bo3bo$13b3o5b3o$13bo9bo!

[simeks]

A new H-to-G with a boat and a ship that suffers a lot of damage before getting restored.

Known lane but new timing, NW16T96, and it seems to be a lot smaller than any previous H-to-G with that particular mod-8 timing:

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x = 27, y = 28, rule = LifeHistory
12.C$12.3C$15.C$14.2C2$17.2C$16.C.C$16.2C$2C$.C$.C.C$2.2C$20.2C$20.C.
C$21.C2$23.2C$23.C.C$2.A22.C$2.A.A20.2C$2.3A$4.A3$11.2C3.2C$12.C3.C$
9.3C5.3C$9.C9.C!

[Kazyan]

There's a whole lot of receivers possible based on this contraption. I tried to tame it into an outright G-to-X, but no luck.

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x = 20, y = 43, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$17bobo$18bo3$17b2o$16bo2bo$17b2o8$14b2o$14b2o6$b2o15b2o$b2o14b2o
$19bo4$6b2o$5bo2bo$6b2o$2b2o$bobo$bo$2o5$16b2o$16bobo$18bo$18b2o!

[simsim314]

If you can clean the mess after the glider pair appear without touching the "in-front" block, you can use this glider pair as reflecting signal (good enough for most self replicating applications):

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x = 40, y = 45, rule = B3/S23
18b2o$17bobo$18bo3$17b2o$16bo2bo$17b2o8$14b2o$14b2o5$21b2o$b2o18b2o$b
2o5$6b2o$5bo2bo$6b2o$2b2o$bobo$bo$2o$33b3o$33bo$34bo2$16b2o$16bobo$18b
o$18b2o18b2o$37b2o$39bo!

[praosylen]

The completed reflector, albeit a slow non-Spartan version:

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x = 67, y = 71, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A25.7B$17.A.A24.7B$17.BA24.7B$18.2B22.7B$17.3B21.7B$16.B2AB20.7B$
16.A2BA2B17.7B$15.2B2A3B16.7B$16.6B15.7B$16.7B.B11.7B$16.10B9.7B$15.
11B8.7B$15.12B6.7B$9.2B4.12B5.7B$8.3B4.12B4.7B$8.5B.2A12B2.7B$7.7B2A
22B$6.33B$6.34B$6.35B$5.37B3.2A$2.B.17B2A19B3.A.A$.2AB.16B2A6B.11B5.A
B$.2A38B4.2B$2.2B.36B.B2.4B$5.2B.42B$8.43B$6.46B$4.2B2A44B.2B$4.BA2BA
45B2A$4.2B2A44B.B2A$2.2AB.45B3.B$.A.AB3.17B.23B$.A4.16B3.24B$2A3.13B
6.25B$6.12B6.24B$6.11B5.2AB.23B$7.9B5.A.AB3.2B.18B$10.6B5.A9.19B$10.
4B.B2A2.2A10.17B$15.BA.A13.21B$18.A.2A10.21B$18.2A.A10.22B$33.22B$33.
21B$34.19B$35.16B.3B$33.18B2.2A$33.2A.2B4.8B3.A$34.A8.7B4.3A$31.3A8.
9B5.A$31.A11.9B$43.10B$45.9B$43.12B$43.2A4.7B$44.A5.7B$41.3A7.7B$41.A
10.7B$53.7B$54.7B$55.5B2A$56.3B2A$57.4BA$58.4B$59.4B$60.4B$61.4B$62.
2B2AB$63.BABA$64.A2B!

[simsim314]

The completed reflector

Nice! It has recovery time of 504 ticks and built our of 14 SLs and the only thing it does is signal reflection, and yet it's great new discovery, congrats!

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x = 193, y = 197, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A25.7B$17.A.A24.7B$17.BA24.7B$18.2B22.7B$17.3B21.7B$16.B2AB20.7B$
16.A2BA2B17.7B$15.2B2A3B16.7B$16.6B15.7B$16.7B.B11.7B$16.10B9.7B$15.
11B8.7B$15.12B6.7B$9.2B4.12B5.7B$8.3B4.12B4.7B$8.5B.2A12B2.7B$7.7B2A
22B$6.33B$6.34B$6.35B$5.37B3.2A$2.B.17B2A19B3.A.A$.2AB.16B2A6B.11B5.A
B$.2A38B4.2B$2.2B.36B.B2.4B$5.2B.42B$8.43B$6.46B$4.2B2A44B.2B$4.BA2BA
45B2A$4.2B2A44B.B2A$2.2AB.45B3.B$.A.AB3.17B.23B$.A4.16B3.24B$2A3.13B
6.25B$6.12B6.24B$6.11B5.2AB.23B$7.9B5.A.AB3.2B.18B$10.6B5.A9.19B$10.
4B.B2A2.2A10.17B$15.BA.A13.21B$18.A.2A10.21B$18.2A.A10.22B$33.22B$33.
21B$34.19B$35.16B.3B$33.18B2.2A$33.2A.2B4.8B3.A$34.A8.7B4.3A$31.3A8.
9B5.A$31.A11.9B$43.10B$45.9B$43.12B$43.2A4.7B$44.A5.7B$41.3A7.7B$41.A
10.7B$53.7B$54.7B$55.5B2A$56.3B2A$57.4BA$58.4B$59.4B$60.4B$61.4B$62.
2B2AB$63.BABA$64.A2B117$186.2A$185.2A$187.A5$190.2A$190.A.A$190.A!

[Kazyan]

I'm fairly sure this new Pierce Reflector (doesn't that have a nice ring to it?) can be made Spartan with some more fiddling. Anyway, I'll keep you all updated if I find any more fun things in the neverending quest for a Spartan G-to-X. The search is getting quite thorny.

[simsim314]

I'm fairly sure this new Pierce Reflector (doesn't that have a nice ring to it?) can be made Spartan with some more fiddling.

I hope someone will find at least another glider output, this will make it really usable. Having only reflector is cool but kinda useless, the real use comes from extra signal (glider/H/B/R) that is triggered by the input. Also the repeat time is worse than Silver's so it will be hard to convince someone to use it.

[praosylen]

A variation on the reflector mechanism produces a Spartan G-2G+2H+[a lot of junk]:

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x = 69, y = 83, rule = LifeHistory
67.2D$66.DBD$65.3BD$64.4B$60.D2.4B$59.B2D4B$58.BDBD3B$57.7B$56.7B$55.
7B$54.7B$53.7B$52.7B$51.7B$50.7B$49.7B$48.7B$47.7B$46.7B$18.2A25.7B$
17.A.A24.7B$17.BA24.7B$18.2B22.7B$17.3B21.7B$16.B2AB20.7B$16.A2BA2B
17.7B$15.2B2A3B16.7B$16.6B15.7B$16.7B.B11.7B$16.10B9.7B$15.11B8.7B$
15.12B6.7B$9.2B4.12B5.7B$8.3B4.12B4.7B$8.5B.2A12B2.7B$7.7B2A22B$6.33B
$6.34B$6.35B$5.37B11.2A$2.B.17B2D19B11.A$.2AB.16B2D6B.11B5.B3.BA.A$.
2A38B3.5B.B2A$2.2B.36B.9B$5.2B.43B$8.32BD11B.B$6.33BDBD17B$4.2B2A30BD
2BD18BD$4.BA2BA30B2D4B2D11B3DB$4.2B2A37B2D11BDBD$2.2AB.52BD$.A.AB3.
17B.10B2D11B2.2B2.2B$.A4.16B3.11B2D11B$2A3.13B7.2D22B$6.12B7.2D21B$6.
11B9.23B$7.9B12.2B.18B$10.6B15.2B2D3B2D10B$10.4B.B2A13.BDBD2BD2BD8B$
15.BA.A13.BD3BDBD9B.3B$18.A13.6BD15B$18.2A12.23B$32.23B.2B$31.26B2A$
31.24B.B2A$30.25B2.B$31.23B$32.22B$33.9B.10B$34.16B.2B$33.9B.6B$33.8B
2.7B$32.9B4.6B$32.7B4.7B2C$33.6B4.2A4.2CB$33.5B6.A5.BC$32.6B3.3A$32.
6B3.A$33.5B$33.3D2B$34.BDB$34.3D$35.B!

I'm not sure if it's possible to clean up enough of the junk to make it useful. Maybe modifying one or more of the Herschel outputs to send gliders back at the junk? In any case, both FNGs need to be removed.

[dvgrn]

I hope someone will find at least another glider output, this will make it really usable. Having only reflector is cool but kinda useless, the real use comes from extra signal (glider/H/B/R) that is triggered by the input. Also the repeat time is worse than Silver's so it will be hard to convince someone to use it.

It's already a G2/3/4 to 90-degree glider converter -- two different output lanes, since a tub-with-tail eater or chris_c's Spartan eater can suppress either one of the G3 outputs.

Also, two 90-degree input gliders can produce a glider or G3 output in quite a few different ways, so it could be used as a glider retimer / color changer / turner, with a 90-degree glider to reset or pre-set it:

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x = 67, y = 71, rule = LifeHistory
18.2A$17.A.A$18.A3$17.2A$16.A2.A$17.2A8$14.2A$14.2A4$45.2A$21.2A22.A.
A$.2A18.2A23.A$.2A5$6.2A$5.A2.A45.2A$6.2A46.2A$2.2A$.A.A$.A$2A2$22.2A
$21.A.A$21.A$5.3A8.2A2.2A$7.A8.A.A$6.A11.A.2A$18.2A.A5$53.2A$33.2A18.
A$34.A19.3A$31.3A22.A$31.A4$43.2A$44.A$41.3A$41.A10$64.2A$64.A.A$64.A!

We haven't had many tandem-glider receivers where the leftover object was a block. It's nice having all those adjacent lanes available for annihilation reactions. But yes, it would be really nice to find a good Herschel output along with the G3 tandem glider.

[praosylen]

A Spartan HL153B:

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x = 36, y = 42, rule = LifeHistory
22.A$20.3A$19.A$19.2A$16.5B3.2A$15.4B5.A$15.5B.BA.A$12.D7B.B2A$11.2D
9B$10.2D11B$11.2D11B$12.13B2.B$11.2B.11B.3B5.2A$11.14B.3B5.A$10.20B.B
A.A$2A8.20B.B2A$A.A4.25B$2.A4.25B$2.2A.27B$4.28B$4.27B$4.26B$5.25B$6.
24B$9.20B$13.10B.4B$12.13B$11.15B$10.16B$9.17B$10.16B$11.13B$11.5B2A
2B.4B$13.3B2A2B2.4B$13.8B2.4B$12.3B3D2B4.4B$12.4BD3B5.4B$12.2B3D2B7.
4B$12.7B8.4B$13.6B9.4B$13.6B10.4B$14.5B11.4B!

Unfortunately, the only conduit that can attach to it (that I know of) is Conduit 1, which requires one eater to be modified to a hook-with-tail:

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x = 48, y = 41, rule = LifeHistory
20.A$20.3A$23.A10.A$22.2A8.3A$22.B8.A$20.3B8.2A$18.6B4.5B3.2A$15.10B
2.4B5.A$5.2B2.2B3.11B2.5B.BA.A$3.D15B2A11B.B2A$.DBD15B2A13B$B3D31B$.D
34B$3.34B2.B$8.B.15B.11B.3B5.2A$14.B.21B.3B5.A$22.20B.BA.A$11.A.A8.
20B.B2A$11.2A.A4.25B$14.A4.25B$14.2A.27B$16.28B$16.27B$16.26B$17.25B$
18.24B$21.20B$25.10B.4B$24.13B$23.15B$22.16B$21.17B$22.16B$23.13B$23.
5B2A2B.4B$25.3B2A2B2.4B$25.8B2.4B$24.4B3DB4.4B$24.5BD2B5.4B$24.5B3D6.
4B$24.7B8.4B!

[Kiran]

You posted only the catalysts.
Why did you leave out the reactions, is this meant to be a puzzle?

[simsim314]

You posted only the catalysts.

No he didn't, he posted in LifeHistory rule which needs golly to show all the states. The viewer doesn't support states 3-4 from LifeHistory.

[dvgrn]

You posted only the catalysts.

No he didn't, he posted in LifeHistory rule which needs golly to show all the states. The viewer doesn't support states 3-4 from LifeHistory.

Lobbying is currently ongoing for a slight update to the viewer, so that all states in LifeHistory can be displayed in the viewer, maybe only for T=0. In the meantime, it's possible to add script commands to make the extra states visible -- might as well in this case, since the viewer can't run the pattern anyway:

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL ]]
x = 44, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
32.B$31.3D$31.BDB$30.2B3D$30.5B$30.6B$30.6B$30.5B$29.6B$30.6B$29.7B$
25.2A2.6B$25.A3.6B$26.A2.6B$23.3A2.8B$23.A5.8B$20.3B5.9B$19.5B4.9B$
18.6B4.10B$18.8B2.5B2A3B$18.8B2.5B2A4B3.2A$12.B4.9B2.11B3.A$11.3B3.
23BA.A$9.6B2.21B2.2A$9.7B.20B$.AB4.22B.5B$2B2AD2.28B$3BACBD30B$4BDCDB
2A28B$5ABDB2A28B$3BAB2.31B$7.29B.B2A$7.B2.24B3.BA.A$9.27B4.A$8.25B.2A
4.2A$7.9B.15B2.A$6.4B.20B4.3A$5.4B2.4B.12B9.A$4.4B8.14B$3.4B9.15B$3.
3B11.13B$3.2B13.10B$3.B17.5B$22.6B$26.2A$26.A$27.3A$29.A!

One of the state-3 Herschels was drawn in upside down, so I've taken that excuse to repost both patterns with the Herschels in standard orientation. Probably the Herschel traveling up _ought_ to be the standard orientation, since then you can tell left turns from right turns more easily... but Herschels traveling right, with FNGs heading southwest, has been Hersrch-standard for the last decade, and the elementary-conduits collection follows that standard.

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#C [[ THUMBNAIL STOP 201 ]]
x = 44, y = 48, rule = LifeHistory
32.B$31.3D$31.BDB$30.2B3D$30.5B$30.6B$30.6B$30.5B$29.6B$30.6B$29.7B$
25.2A2.6B$25.A3.6B$26.A2.6B$23.3A2.8B$23.A5.8B$20.3B5.9B$19.5B4.9B$
18.6B4.10B$18.8B2.5B2A3B$18.8B2.5B2A4B3.2A$12.B4.9B2.11B3.A$11.3B3.
23BA.A$9.6B2.21B2.2A$9.7B.20B$.AB4.22B.5B$2B2AD2.28B$3BACBD30B$4BDCDB
2A28B$5ABDB2A28B$3BAB2.31B$8.28B.B2A$10.24B3.BA.A$9.27B4.A$8.25B.2A4.
2A$7.9B.15B2.A$6.4B.20B4.3A$5.4B2.4B.12B9.A$4.4B8.14B$3.4B9.15B$3.3B
11.13B$3.2B13.10B$3.B17.5B$22.6B$26.2A$26.A$27.3A$29.A!

[Kazyan]

A small note on HL153B--use a hook-with-tail for a smaller population in non-self-constructing circuits, and a hat for self-constructors. The latter is more common by a factor of *checks Catagolue* 38, and we already have an excuse to build hats.