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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 4:37 pm

I wish my first post was like that, but it was more like UMGGG LOOK AT DIS NEW RULE I FUOND HALP ME FUOND OSCILLATORZ!!!!!!!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1


An equally stupid question: how do I go about looking for new spaceship speeds? More specifically, how do I run wls and gfind? I'm not the best in the world with computers
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby HartmutHolzwart » March 5th, 2016, 4:45 pm

@codeholic: Sure, see the high-period c/5 ships based on spider/glider collisions..

@Kayzan and A for awesome: Taht was quick!

To think what is still hidden in the low period universe after so many years of searches.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Alexey_Nigin » March 5th, 2016, 4:57 pm

Unbelievable!

This spaceship can eat gliders:

x = 20, y = 21, rule = B3/S23
14b2o$13b4o2$12b6o$13b4o2$12b2o2b2o$10b2obo2bob2o$13bo2bo3$14b2o$14b2o
6$3o$2bo$bo!


x = 20, y = 28, rule = B3/S23
14b2o$13b4o2$12b6o$13b4o2$12b2o2b2o$10b2obo2bob2o$13bo2bo3$14b2o$14b2o
13$3o$2bo$bo!


x = 19, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
13bo2bo$13bo2bo$12bo4bo$12bo4bo$12bo4bo$12bo4bo$11b3o2b3o$11bob4obo$
12bo4bo3$14b2o$14b2o10$3o$2bo$bo!


A glider can cleanly destroy it:

x = 19, y = 22, rule = B3/S23
13bo2bo$13bo2bo$12bo4bo$12bo4bo$12bo4bo$12bo4bo$11b3o2b3o$11bob4obo$
12bo4bo3$14b2o$14b2o7$3o$2bo$bo!


x = 19, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
12b2o2b2o$12b2o2b2o$11b3o2b3o$11b3o2b3o2$11bo6bo$11bo2b2o2bo$12b6o3$3o
11b2o$2bo11b2o$bo!


As Ivan pointed out, it can turn glider into a pond:

x = 19, y = 26, rule = B3/S23
14b2o$12b2o2b2o$14b2o$11bo6bo$12bo4bo$14b2o$11b3o2b3o$11b2o4b2o3$14b2o
$13bo2bo12$3o$2bo$bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby codeholic » March 5th, 2016, 5:08 pm

By the way, which of the four phases with 28 cells should be canonical? I guess, the first one?
x = 46, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
17b2o10b2o10b2o$b2o2b2o10b2o9bo2bo7b2o2b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8bo2bo9b2o$3b2o
11b4o7bo4bo5bo6bo$obo2bobo7bob2obo6bo4bo6bo4bo$o6bo8bo2bo8b4o9b2o$27b
2o2b2o5b3o2b3o$o6bo7b2o2b2o6bo4bo5b2o4b2o$b2o2b2o7bo6bo5bo4bo$2b4o$15b
o4bo20b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8b4o8bo2bo$3b2o12b2o10b2o!

Alexey_Nigin wrote:This spaceship can eat gliders:

It can also turn a glider into a pond. But nothing that can be used as a igniter. There is a slight chance that there is an appropriate reaction with two of them.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 5:39 pm

codeholic wrote:By the way, which of the four phases with 28 cells should be canonical? I guess, the first one?
x = 46, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
17b2o10b2o10b2o$b2o2b2o10b2o9bo2bo7b2o2b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8bo2bo9b2o$3b2o
11b4o7bo4bo5bo6bo$obo2bobo7bob2obo6bo4bo6bo4bo$o6bo8bo2bo8b4o9b2o$27b
2o2b2o5b3o2b3o$o6bo7b2o2b2o6bo4bo5b2o4b2o$b2o2b2o7bo6bo5bo4bo$2b4o$15b
o4bo20b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8b4o8bo2bo$3b2o12b2o10b2o!

I'd say the first one. The fourth one kind of looks like a gangster wearing a tiara.


Should we set up a poll for the name of the ship?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 5:45 pm

Can someone update the main page with this ship?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Sphenocorona » March 5th, 2016, 5:48 pm

This is amazing! It doesn't even look remotely like a Life pattern to me, more like something from B36/S245... Just, wow...

zdr has the right to name the ship if they wish, following standard convention for new important patterns. We should probably wait a bit to give them a chance to do so before going on to public naming.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Kiran » March 5th, 2016, 5:50 pm

muzik wrote:Should we set up a poll for the name of the ship?

I think the discoverer has the right to officially name it.
For the same reason, Sawmill is still officially unnamed (I was afraid of letting it get stuck with an extremely boring name).
I do like "cuttlefish" for this new ship.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Sphenocorona » March 5th, 2016, 5:56 pm

I just had a thought.... I think this is the first time a c/n velocity has been found before the velocity c/(n-1)...!(ignoring c/2, because lightspeed spaceships are impossible anyway)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 6:06 pm

Sphenocorona wrote:I just had a thought.... I think this is the first time a c/n velocity has been found before the velocity c/(n-1)...!(ignoring c/2, because lightspeed spaceships are impossible anyway)

Orthogonal of course. This happened with the corderships.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Extrementhusiast » March 5th, 2016, 6:07 pm

muzik wrote:
codeholic wrote:By the way, which of the four phases with 28 cells should be canonical? I guess, the first one?
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I'd say the first one. The fourth one kind of looks like a gangster wearing a tiara.

I'd actually say the third one, as that one has the smallest bounding box of those four (by area). (A 30-cell phase has the smallest bounding box of all phases.)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby velcrorex » March 5th, 2016, 6:10 pm

Congrats on finding this. Who knows what other small ships may lurk on the edges of what we've searched. Perhaps we can keep better track of unsuccessful searches?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby M. I. Wright » March 5th, 2016, 6:24 pm

codeholic wrote:By the way, which of the four phases with 28 cells should be canonical? I guess, the first one?
x = 46, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
17b2o10b2o10b2o$b2o2b2o10b2o9bo2bo7b2o2b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8bo2bo9b2o$3b2o
11b4o7bo4bo5bo6bo$obo2bobo7bob2obo6bo4bo6bo4bo$o6bo8bo2bo8b4o9b2o$27b
2o2b2o5b3o2b3o$o6bo7b2o2b2o6bo4bo5b2o4b2o$b2o2b2o7bo6bo5bo4bo$2b4o$15b
o4bo20b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8b4o8bo2bo$3b2o12b2o10b2o!

I agree with EE, it should be the third - both because of its bounding box and because, in my opinion, the first kinda looks like it's going to move backwards (thanks to the sloped shape at the bottom).

I think zdr should choose, though, whenever s/he happens to come back online.

This is insane, by the way! I definitely agree that it looks like something out of Morley or another Life-like rule. Congrats, zdr, and hopefully we'll be able to use your method to find more ships like this one (does "there may be bugs in gfind" mean you developed your own search program/tweaked gfind or something?)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 6:25 pm

velcrorex wrote:Congrats on finding this. Who knows what other small ships may lurk on the edges of what we've searched. Perhaps we can keep better track of unsuccessful searches?

You were the one who discovered the equally tiny loafer. You'll definitely find something else if you put your mind to it.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Apple Bottom » March 5th, 2016, 6:25 pm

Congratulations, zdr, this is an utterly astounding discovery, well beyond "awesome" and straight into "HOLY SH*T" territory! Not just a new spaceship speed, but a remarkably small, almost elementary ship. It'll take a very strong contender to dethrone this as 2016's pattern of the year in my book.

muzik wrote:Can someone update the main page with this ship?


On the Life Wiki? Can't edit the Main Page proper, but I added a DYK item. It's both the least and the most I could do. ;)

Name-wise - I'm pretty partial to "copperhead" myself, but the choice is of course zdr's.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby towerator » March 5th, 2016, 6:25 pm

This is incredible. Things don't work that way! It looks like a fake, but no, it's real, and that's incredible.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby codeholic » March 5th, 2016, 6:29 pm

Extrementhusiast wrote:I'd actually say the third one, as that one has the smallest bounding box of those four (by area). (A 30-cell phase has the smallest bounding box of all phases.)

I based my assumption on the definition of the "standard form" given by http://pentadecathlon.com/objects/definitions/definitions.php#comparison
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby towerator » March 5th, 2016, 6:35 pm

As of the canon, the third looks quite like a snake head or something, so I wouldn't be against a name like so, but the first one can be seen as a man so happy he's slightly crying...

However, if one considers there are too many "animal" ships, how about "carrier"? It seems to pull a block similarly to the weekender pushing a loaf.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Scorbie » March 5th, 2016, 6:37 pm

Huh! Congrats!! This is incredible!

Edit: How long did it take to find the ship?
Edit: And zdr should name the ship (after others' suggestions)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 6:38 pm

towerator wrote:As of the canon, the third looks quite like a snake head or something, so I wouldn't be against a name like so, but the first one can be seen as a man so happy he's slightly crying...

However, if one considers there are too many "animal" ships, how about "carrier"? It seems to pull a block similarly to the weekender pushing a loaf.

The loafer pushes a loaf.

Since we can't have blocker, I suggest something like blockdragger or blockpuller. Or blockalong?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby velcrorex » March 5th, 2016, 6:43 pm

Scorbie wrote:Edit: How long did it take to find the ship?


I just ran this search in gfind and it refound the ship in a little over an hour. It's really amazing this wasn't found sooner.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby towerator » March 5th, 2016, 6:45 pm

velcrorex wrote:
Scorbie wrote:Edit: How long did it take to find the ship?


I just ran this search in gfind and it refound the ship in a little over an hour. It's really amazing this wasn't found sooner.

The history of GoL will remember that sometimes, discoveries are right around the corner, provided one tries them.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby towerator » March 5th, 2016, 6:47 pm

Also, here's a small useless reaction: a block eats the ship, but not entirely, leaving 2 blocks, including the carried one. It means a stream of ships "crystallize" very easily.
x = 8, y = 25, rule = B3/S23
3b2o$3b2o12$b2o2b2o$3b2o$3b2o$obo2bobo$o6bo2$o6bo$b2o2b2o$2b4o2$3b2o$
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 7:03 pm

Apple Bottom wrote:Congratulations, zdr, this is an utterly astounding discovery, well beyond "awesome" and straight into "HOLY SH*T" territory! Not just a new spaceship speed, but a remarkably small, almost elementary ship. It'll take a very strong contender to dethrone this as 2016's pattern of the year in my book.

muzik wrote:Can someone update the main page with this ship?


On the Life Wiki? Can't edit the Main Page proper, but I added a DYK item. It's both the least and the most I could do. ;)

Name-wise - I'm pretty partial to "copperhead" myself, but the choice is of course zdr's.

By the main page I mean the Home page.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 7:04 pm

velcrorex wrote:
Scorbie wrote:Edit: How long did it take to find the ship?


I just ran this search in gfind and it refound the ship in a little over an hour. It's really amazing this wasn't found sooner.

Stupid question: how does one run gfind? Or wls for that matter?
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