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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby BlinkerSpawn » March 5th, 2016, 7:04 pm

M. I. Wright wrote:
codeholic wrote:By the way, which of the four phases with 28 cells should be canonical? I guess, the first one?
x = 46, y = 13, rule = B3/S23
17b2o10b2o10b2o$b2o2b2o10b2o9bo2bo7b2o2b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8bo2bo9b2o$3b2o
11b4o7bo4bo5bo6bo$obo2bobo7bob2obo6bo4bo6bo4bo$o6bo8bo2bo8b4o9b2o$27b
2o2b2o5b3o2b3o$o6bo7b2o2b2o6bo4bo5b2o4b2o$b2o2b2o7bo6bo5bo4bo$2b4o$15b
o4bo20b2o$3b2o11bo2bo8b4o8bo2bo$3b2o12b2o10b2o!

I agree with EE, it should be the third - both because of its bounding box and because, in my opinion, the first kinda looks like it's going to move backwards (thanks to the sloped shape at the bottom).

I think zdr should choose, though, whenever s/he happens to come back online.

This is insane, by the way! I definitely agree that it looks like something out of Morley or another Life-like rule. Congrats, zdr, and hopefully we'll be able to use your method to find more ships like this one (does "there may be bugs in gfind" mean you developed your own search program/tweaked gfind or something?)

I would also say the third, given not only the bounding box, but also the fact that that 28-cell phase is the most contiguous.
Also, congratulations to zdr!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 7:10 pm

Meanwhile zdr's account still sits with one post...forever
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby towerator » March 5th, 2016, 7:27 pm

muzik wrote:Meanwhile zdr's account still sits with one post...forever

Yup, one of the funniest things on the stroy is that he may not even have noticed he just excited everyone with an awesome discovery.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby mniemiec » March 5th, 2016, 7:54 pm

This discovery is truly remarkable! Congratulations!
A for awesome wrote:A final step for a synthesis, minus cleanup: ...

Very nice! I'm impressed with how fast this was done.
Kazyan wrote:My synthesis attempt, booted inefficiently out the door to beat Martin Grant to the punch: ...

Even more impressive! I was able to shave off 2 gliders (by using 3-glider domino sparks). Here is the fully-instantiated synthesis from 25 gliders. The phase is advanced by one, as this still has the same population, but a minimum bounding box:
x = 161, y = 86, rule = B3/S23
bbo10bo$3bo8bo$b3o8b3o5$34boo4boo22boo4boo22boo4boo$5bo4bo23bobobbobo
22bobobbobo22bobobbobo$5boobboo25bobbo26bobbo26bobbo$4bobobbobo23bo4bo
24bo4bo24bo4bo$35bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo$35bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo$37boo28boo
28boo3$37boo28boo$bboo8boo23boo28boo$3boo6boo$bbo10bo51boo$64bobo$66bo
7$bbo70bo$obo70bobo$boo3bo62bo3boo$4boo27boo28boo5boo21boo6boo$5boo26b
obo27bobo3boo22bobo4bobo$35bo29bo29bo4bo$35boo28boo28boobboo3$4boo4boo
22boo4boo22boo4boo22boo4boo$4bobobbobo22bobobbobo22bobobbobo22bobobbob
o$6bobbo26bobbo26bobbo26bobbo$5bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo$5bo4bo24bo4b
o24bo4bo24bo4bo$5bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo$7boo28boo28boo28boo14$5bo
64bo$5bobo60bobo$5boo62boo$119bo16bo$3boo6boo28boo28boo47bo14bo$3bobo
4bobo27bobo27bobo45b3o14b3o$5bo4bo24boo3bo24boo3bo24boobboo24boobboo$
5boobboo24boobboo24boobboo24boobboo24boobboo3$4boo4boo22boo4boo22boo4b
oo22boo4boo15bo6boo4boo6bo$4bobobbobo22bobobbobo22bobobbobo22bobobbobo
16boo4bobobbobo4boo$6bobbo26bobbo26bobbo26bobbo17boo7bobbo7boo$5bo4bo
24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo26boo$5bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo17bo6bo4b
o6bo18bobbo$5bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo17boo5bo4bo5boo18bobbo$7boo28b
oo28boo28boo18bobo7boo7bobo16bo4bo$155bo4bo$156b4o$155boobboo$155bo4bo
$121b3o8b3o20bo4bo$97boo16boo6bo3boo3bo6boo$66b3o28boo17boo4bo4boo4bo
4boo$68bo46bo24bo15b4o$67bo89boo$69b3o$69bo$70bo!

(As for names, I personally like Copperhead - when running the pattern, the skull-shaped front end was the first thing that caught my attention.)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby zdr » March 5th, 2016, 8:08 pm

velcrorex wrote:
Scorbie wrote:Edit: How long did it take to find the ship?


I just ran this search in gfind and it refound the ship in a little over an hour. It's really amazing this wasn't found sooner.


This is why I suspected a bug in gfind, it is small enough that someone should have found it by now.
The search takes 19 seconds with a basic dfs program.
I don't care about naming it but copperhead sounds good.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby drc » March 5th, 2016, 8:09 pm

Copperhead it is then!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 8:19 pm

I named a pattern, yuy


Also, extreme noob question here: how do I use gfind so I can actually start to find ships of my own?
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby gmc_nxtman » March 5th, 2016, 8:22 pm

The synthesis of this spaceship is quite fast, but unfortunately due to the ridiculous slowness of this spaceship, the repeat time of this synthesis is 382 ticks :(

x = 258, y = 254, rule = B3/S23
16bo$17b2o$4bo11b2o235bo$5b2o244b2o$4b2o246b2o$235bo$235bobo$235b2o5bo
$241bo$4bo236b3o9bo$2bobo17bobo228bobo$3b2o18b2o228b2o$23bo3$22bo$23b
2o$22b2o202bo$225bo$225b3o3$27bo202bo$28b2o198b2o$27b2o200b2o72$111bob
o$112b2o$99bobo10bo43bobo$100b2o54b2o$100bo39bo16bo$139bo$139b3o$146bo
$99bo46bobo9bo$100bo17bo27b2o9bo$98b3o18b2o36b3o$118b2o4$117bobo$118b
2o$118bo11bo$130bobo$130b2o3$122bobo8bobo$123b2o8b2o$123bo10bo5$126b2o
2b2o$125bobo2bobo$127bo2bo7$123b3o6b3o$125bo6bo$124bo8bo3$134b3o$134bo
$123bo11bo$123b2o$122bobo$136bo$135b2o$135bobo2$99b2o56b2o$98bobo56bob
o$100bo56bo4$103bo50bo$103b2o48b2o$96b3o3bobo48bobo3b3o$98bo60bo$97bo
62bo63$30b3o192b3o$32bo192bo$31bo194bo6$28b2o198b2o$27bobo198bobo$29bo
198bo3$230b2o$230bobo$230bo$27b2o$28b2o$27bo$231b2o$230b2o$232bo2$3b3o
246b3o$5bo246bo$4bo248bo4$7b2o240b2o$b2o5b2o238b2o5b2o$obo4bo242bo4bob
o$2bo252bo!


EDIT:

Updated syntheses, p373 (inconvenient, 23 gliders) and p375 (convenient, 22 gliders)

x = 250, y = 246, rule = B3/S23
4bo236bo3bo$5bo233b2o3bo$3b3o234b2o2b3o$21bo$19bobo$20b2o2$2bo226bo17b
o$3b2o222b2o16b2o$2b2o224b2o16b2o10$25bo198bo$26b2o194b2o$25b2o196b2o
72$147bo$96bobo47bo4bobo$97b2o47b3o2b2o$97bo15bo38bo$114b2o$113b2o2$
96bo38bo17bo$97bo36bo17bo$95b3o36b3o15b3o10$119bo10bo$120bo8bo$118b3o
8b3o3$108b2o$109b2o$108bo$122bo4bo$122b2o2b2o$121bobo2bobo7$119b2o8b2o
$120b2o6b2o$119bo10bo4$117b2o$118b2o$117bo5$96b2o15b3o36b2o$95bobo17bo
36bobo$97bo16bo37bo$136b3o$136bo$137bo$100bo48bo$100b2o46b2o$93b3o3bob
o46bobo3b3o$95bo58bo$94bo60bo58$15b2o$14bobo$16bo2$28b3o188b3o$30bo
188bo$29bo190bo6$26b2o194b2o$25bobo194bobo$27bo194bo4$24b2o$23bobo$25b
o5$3bo16b2o224bo$3b2o16b2o222b2o$2bobo15bo224bobo$230b2o$229b2o$231bo
2$6b3o232b3o$2o6bo232bo6b2o$b2o4bo234bo4b2o$o248bo!


x = 242, y = 236, rule = B3/S23
4bo226bo5bo$5b2o223bo4b2o$4b2o224b3o3b2o$21bo$22b2o$21b2o2$4bo214bo17b
o$2bobo213bo18bobo$3b2o213b3o16b2o5$22bo196bo$20bobo196bobo$21b2o196b
2o78$99bo38bo3bo$97bobo36b2o4bobo$98b2o37b2o3b2o$116bo$114bobo$115b2o
2$96bobo27bo16bobo$97b2o25b2o17b2o$97bo27b2o17bo3$110b2o$109bobo$111bo
2bobo8bobo$115b2o8b2o$115bo10bo5$118b2o2b2o$117bobo2bobo$119bo2bo7$
115b3o6b3o$117bo6bo$116bo8bo5$116b3o$97b2o19bo24b2o$98b2o17bo12bo11b2o
$97bo31b2o13bo$129bobo3$101b2o36b2o$95bo4bobo36bobo4bo$95b2o5bo36bo5b
2o$94bobo48bobo59$16b2o$17b2o$16bo7$24b2o190b2o$25b2o188b2o$24bo192bo
6$22bo196bo$22b2o194b2o$21bobo194bobo5$23bo$23b2o$3b3o16bobo211b3o$5bo
217b2o11bo$4bo218bobo11bo$223bo3$7b2o224b2o$b2o5b2o222b2o5b2o$obo4bo
226bo4bobo$2bo236bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby dvgrn » March 5th, 2016, 8:24 pm

So the total cost for the current recipe is... what, 24 or 25 gliders, then? Just turn on the two red blocks next to the fumarole's feet, sometime after T=12 in the pattern below, and it's ready for liftoff.

Does anybody know offhand how to drop those two blocks simultaneously? Seems like that should be a three- or four-glider task. If someone has the recipe already then I don't need to run gencols.

x = 46, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory
7.A30.A$8.2A26.2A$7.2A28.2A4$6.A10.A10.A10.A$4.A.A11.A8.A11.A.A$5.2A
9.3A8.3A9.2A$20.2D2.2D$20.2D2.2D4$20.A4.A$20.2A2.2A$19.A.A2.A.A7$17.
2A8.2A$6.A11.2A6.2A11.A$6.2A9.A10.A9.2A$5.A.A30.A.A2$29.A$28.2A$10.2A
16.A.A3.2A$4.2A5.2A20.2A5.2A$5.2A3.A24.A3.2A$4.A36.A$31.2A$.2A28.A.A
9.2A$A.A28.A11.A.A$2.A8.2A30.A$10.A.A$12.A!
#C [[ STOP 28 ]]

It's looking good already. I wouldn't be surprised if the cost eventually goes down to a dozen gliders or less -- but if it's up to me, it will probably stay right here around 25.

EDIT: I knew I should have waited just a little longer before posting -- thanks, gmc_nxtman and chris_c! That eater-to-block trick is one of many dozens that I've never managed to memorize, but a custom gencols solution can shave off a few gliders as usual. So it's 23 gliders for the moment. Might it be possible to move the bottom block in chris_c's version of the recipe with two gliders, instead of deleting and rebuilding it with three?

EDIT2: Thanks again, chris_c -- you're staying well ahead of me. I'll stop trying to keep up now.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 8:26 pm

Moved the page to Copperhead after the accepted naming suggestion.

http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/Copperhead
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Kazyan » March 5th, 2016, 8:29 pm

I suspect we can reasonably get down to 21 = 7 (fumarole) + 4 (pair of two-glider collisions at the fumarole feet) + 6 (pair of domino sparkers) + 2 (lower input gliders to be sparked) + 2 (lower block). 20, with clever gencols use.

EDIT:

zdr wrote:This is why I suspected a bug in gfind, it is small enough that someone should have found it by now.
The search takes 19 seconds with a basic dfs program.
I don't care about naming it but copperhead sounds good.


As spaceships get slower and their periods increase, they become harder to search for. Someone would have found it, but if you'd asked anyone before today to find a c/10 orthogonal ship with a search program, we'd say something like "Okay, but I won't be alive to name it by then."
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby chris_c » March 5th, 2016, 8:30 pm

dvgrn wrote:Does anybody know offhand how to drop those two blocks simultaneously? Seems like that should be a three- or four-glider task. If someone has the recipe already then I don't need to run gencols.


Heh, I've just been doing that. I ended up with a 4 glider solution. And congratulations zdr!

x = 190, y = 35, rule = B3/S23
109bo$108bo$108b3o$95bo$90b2o4b2o$91b2o2b2o$90bo$97bo$96bo$bo10bo83b3o
49bo16bo$2bo8bo137bo14bo$3o8b3o133b3o14b3o$124b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o$124b2o
2b2o24b2o2b2o3$33b2o4b2o22b2o4b2o22b2o4b2o22b2o4b2o15bo6b2o4b2o6bo$4bo
4bo23bobo2bobo22bobo2bobo22bobo2bobo22bobo2bobo16b2o4bobo2bobo4b2o$4b
2o2b2o25bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo26bo2bo17b2o7bo2bo7b2o$3bobo2bobo23bo4bo24b
o4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo26b2o$34bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo17bo6bo4bo
6bo18bo2bo$34bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo17b2o5bo4bo5b2o18bo2bo$36b2o28b
2o28b2o28b2o18bobo7b2o7bobo16bo4bo$184bo4bo$185b4o$36b2o28b2o116b2o2b
2o$b2o8b2o23b2o28b2o116bo4bo$2b2o6b2o138b3o8b3o20bo4bo$bo10bo51b2o60b
2o16b2o6bo3b2o3bo6b2o$63bobo29b3o28b2o17b2o4bo4b2o4bo4b2o$65bo31bo46bo
24bo15b4o$96bo89b2o$98b3o$98bo$99bo!


EDIT: and save another glider by combining the "destroy block" and "create block" phases:

x = 160, y = 34, rule = B3/S23
79bo$78bo$78b3o$65bo$60b2o4b2o$61b2o2b2o$60bo$67bo$66bo$bo10bo53b3o49b
o16bo$2bo8bo107bo14bo$3o8b3o103b3o14b3o$94b2o2b2o24b2o2b2o$94b2o2b2o
24b2o2b2o3$33b2o4b2o22b2o4b2o22b2o4b2o15bo6b2o4b2o6bo$4bo4bo23bobo2bob
o22bobo2bobo22bobo2bobo16b2o4bobo2bobo4b2o$4b2o2b2o25bo2bo26bo2bo26bo
2bo17b2o7bo2bo7b2o$3bobo2bobo23bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo26b2o$34bo4bo
24bo4bo24bo4bo17bo6bo4bo6bo18bo2bo$34bo4bo24bo4bo24bo4bo17b2o5bo4bo5b
2o18bo2bo$36b2o28b2o28b2o18bobo7b2o7bobo16bo4bo$154bo4bo$155b4o$36b2o
28b2o86b2o2b2o$b2o8b2o23b2o28b2o86bo4bo$2b2o6b2o108b3o8b3o20bo4bo$bo
10bo54bo28b2o16b2o6bo3b2o3bo6b2o$67b2o27b2o17b2o4bo4b2o4bo4b2o$66bobo
45bo24bo15b4o$71b2o83b2o$71bobo$71bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 8:35 pm

Could a gliderless for this ship exist? It's small enough that it could theoretically be assembled with B-heptominos if we really needed to
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby dvgrn » March 5th, 2016, 9:04 pm

muzik wrote:Could a gliderless [synthesis? gun?] for this ship exist? It's small enough that it could theoretically be assembled with B-heptominos if we really needed to

There might be a way to build a gliderless gun for the copperhead, but it could end up being pretty expensive compared to a standard glider synthesis. It's a little tricky to get a lot of B-heptominoes into place without building them out of gliders. So I'd probably want to tackle the problem by building some alternate seed for the copperhead, by colliding *WSSes.

It could even be done with *WSS slow salvos, presumably, starting from a block generated by a *WSS collision. But it would be convenient if the *WSS collisions were allowed to generate temporary gliders here and there. Why the interest in gliderless technology in this case?

*WSS constructions are an almost completely unexplored field, to my knowledge. Here there might be some potential to build a gun with a significantly faster repeat time, by doing more of the construction with *WSSes coming in from the left and right.

Random tangential thought: I never really expected to see a glider-constructible spaceship that a loafer could catch -- for the standard old task of making a faraway target for a replicator, let's say:

x = 101, y = 10, rule = B3/S23
93b2o2bob2o$92bo2bo2b2o$5b3o85bobo$2bo91bo$3o3b2o92bo$obo2b2o3b2o86b3o
$obo2b2o3b2o85bo$3o3b2o90bo$2bo96b2o$5b3o!
[[ AUTOFIT STEP 7 ]]

Loafers are so small that they tend to implode in a collision. Copperheads seem to be a little more explosive, but there are lots of phase combinations to try so they're still reasonably controllable. Here's a two-copperhead annihilation reaction for example:

x = 30, y = 32, rule = B3/S23
3b3ob2o$2b3o4bobo$2obo4bo2bo$2obo4bo2bo$2b3o4bobo$3b3ob2o15$25b2o$23b
2o2b2o$25b2o$22bo6bo$23bo4bo$25b2o$22b3o2b3o$22b2o4b2o3$25b2o$24bo2bo!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 5th, 2016, 9:16 pm

dvgrn wrote:
muzik wrote:Could a gliderless [synthesis? gun?] for this ship exist? It's small enough that it could theoretically be assembled with B-heptominos if we really needed to

There might be a way to build a gliderless gun for the copperhead, but it could end up being pretty expensive compared to a standard glider synthesis. It's a little tricky to get a lot of B-heptominoes into place without building them out of gliders. So I'd probably want to tackle the problem by building some alternate seed for the copperhead, by colliding *WSSes.

It could even be done with *WSS slow salvos, presumably, starting from a block generated by a *WSS collision. But it would be convenient if the *WSS collisions were allowed to generate temporary gliders here and there. Why the interest in gliderless technology in this case?

Random tangential thought: I never really expected to see a glider-constructible spaceship that a loafer could catch --

loafer catching a copperhead.

Loafers are so small that they tend to implode in a collision. Copperheads seem to be a little more explosive, but there are lots of phase combinations to try so they're still reasonably controllable. Here's a two-copperhead annihilation reaction for example:

complete destruction


Yes, temporary gliders are allowed, as long as they aren't being fired from permanent guns. I'm mainly thinking of something gliderless because the ship is pretty narrow like the weighted spaceships and could possibly be assembled in a tight space.

Also, the copperhead seems to be pretty strong at the back of it, the interactions seen earlier in the thread involve mostly the back. If it has a head on collision with anything it probably won't live to see another cycle.


I never really expected to see a glider-constructible spaceship that a copperhead could catch -- Someone in the future (maybe 2019, with a tiny c/13 orthogonal ship? Who knows)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby towerator » March 5th, 2016, 9:17 pm

This ship is so slender, yet slow that the minimal period of a copperhead gun is 148:
x = 1250, y = 31, rule = B3/S23
5bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo$5b
o13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo
40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o
10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o
2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob
2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo$6bo2bo9b2obo2bo
7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2ob
o2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo
9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9b
o2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b
4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o
10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b
3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob
2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo
7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o$4b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo
4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b
4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b
2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b
3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b
2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2o
bo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b
3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3b
o4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bo
bo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo
4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7b
o3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo$2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5b
o4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b
2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o
3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo
4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b
2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o
3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo
4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b
2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o
3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo
4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b
2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o
3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo
4bo2b2obo4bo2bo6b2o$2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o
9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo
2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b
2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o
9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo
2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b
2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o
9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo
2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b
2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o
9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo
2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b
2obo4bo2bo3b2o2b2o9b2o6b2ob2o3bo4bo2bobo2b2o5bo4bo2b2obo4bo2bo6b2o$4b
3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b
2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2o
bo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b
3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3b
o4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bo
bo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo
4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7b
o3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4b
o4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o
7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o
2b2o5b3o4bobo7bo3b4o7b3ob2obo3bo4bo4bo4bo4b2o2b2o5b3o4bobo$6bo2bo9b2ob
o2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo
9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9b
o2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b
4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o
10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b
3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob
2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo
7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2ob
o2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o10bo3b4o9bo2bo9b2obo2bo7b3ob2o8b3ob2o$5bo13b2o2bo40b
2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo
13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo
40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o
10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o
2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo40b2ob2o10bo13b2o2bo$5bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73b
o73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo73bo18$1245b4o$1245bo3bo$1245bo$
1246bo!


I added a LWSS and a block to show how fast it "crystallizes" into blocks
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby mniemiec » March 5th, 2016, 9:21 pm

dvgrn wrote:Random tangential thought: I never really expected to see a glider-constructible spaceship that a loafer could catch

While this might be true in practice, it isn't true in theory. For example, Geminoid spaceships tend to be mind-bogglingly slow, and they are, by definition, glider-constructible. (I suppose one should be able to build geminoid guns, and even create scripts to customize them, although I wouldn't want to be the one to do so!)
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Sokwe » March 5th, 2016, 9:27 pm

zdr wrote:The search takes 19 seconds with a basic dfs program.

Did you find it with a program you wrote yourself? If so, would you mind sharing your methodology?

mniemiec wrote:I suppose one should be able to build geminoid guns, and even create scripts to customize them

In fact, this was already done by Dave Greene.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby EricG » March 5th, 2016, 9:37 pm

The copperhead can convert HWSS into beehives in either orientation, it convert an HWSS into a loaf, it can convert a turtle into a beehive, and finally, it can survive being hit with a loafter:
x = 152, y = 67, rule = B3/S23
33b2o2b2o$b2o2b2o26b2o2b2o19b2o2b2o$b2o2b2o25b3o2b3o18b2o2b2o28b2o$3o
2b3o24b3o2b3o17b3o2b3o26bo2bo$3o2b3o49b3o2b3o26bo2bo$32bo6bo50bo4bo$o
6bo24bo2b2o2bo17bo6bo25bo4bo$o2b2o2bo25b6o18bo2b2o2bo26b4o$b6o51b6o26b
2o2b2o$90bo4bo$35b2o53bo4bo$3b2o30b2o23b2o$3b2o55b2o$91b4o$92b2o13$
148b2o$2b3o142bo2bo$2bo2bo141bo2bo$2bo143bo4bo$2bo143bo4bo$2bo144b4o$
2bo27b3o113b2o2b2o$3bo26bo2bo28b3o81bo4bo$30bo31bo2bo80bo4bo$30bo31bo$
30bo31bo$30bo31bo84b4o$31bo30bo85b2o$63bo25bob4obo$88b2ob4ob2o$87bo4b
2o4bo$91b4o$89b2o4b2o$90bo4bo$89bobo2bobo$90b6o$90b6o$88b2o6b2o2$88bo
8bo$92b2o5$148b2o$146b2o2bo2$145bo$149b2o$142b2o5b2o$141bob2o4bo$141bo
3bob2o$142b2o$145bo!


The conversion from HWSS to loaf suggests that a sawtooth very similar to Dean Hickerson's original sawtooth could be constructed.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby FractalFusion » March 5th, 2016, 11:40 pm

Nice find, zdr.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby dvgrn » March 6th, 2016, 12:02 am

Sokwe wrote:
mniemiec wrote:While this might be true in practice, it isn't true in theory. For example, Geminoid spaceships tend to be mind-bogglingly slow, and they are, by definition, glider-constructible. (I suppose one should be able to build geminoid guns, and even create scripts to customize them...)

In fact, this was already done by Dave Greene.

Sort of, anyway. I built a few different periods of guns for the original Gemini back in 2010, but recently the gun-building has mostly been chris_c's work. The 0hd Demonoid spaceship has the strange distinction that it didn't exist until chris_c's gun pattern fired the first one.

However, there are currently no self-constructing orthogonal spaceships. The Caterpillar and Centipede are technically both certainly glider-constructible, if someone wants to put together a sufficiently clever program to compile a recipe automatically. (I don't quite see anyone tackling that task by hand.) The Caterpillar is too fast for even a c/3 spaceship to catch, let alone a loafer. A Centipede would lose to a loafer, though it would beat a copperhead.

Neither a Demonoid nor the original Gemini can be adjusted easily to make an orthogonal spaceship, so I don't think we actually had anything on hand that a loafer could catch, until this morning. The Gemini can be recompiled fairly easily to get different angles, but an orthogonal direction would take a complete redesign -- the two construction arms couldn't reach parts of two of the reflector banks, so those parts would have to be built with slow salvos... might as well rebuild the whole thing a couple of orders of magnitude smaller, with two of simeks' single-channel construction arms.

-- That's leaving aside the question of how loafers could stop a Geminoid or a Centipede when they caught it. Cleanup would be quite a big problem (to say the least).

It's certainly possible to do a complete redesign and come up wtih an orthogonal Geminoid that could be caught and stopped cleanly by a loafer. But of course the Geminoid would move too slowly to serve any practical purpose -- in terms of providing a faraway construction target, anyway.

Short summary: copperheads are much nicer!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Sphenocorona » March 6th, 2016, 1:10 am

Wait, how are people running gfind with periods greater than 10? I can't get it to even try anything higher than period 6...
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Sokwe » March 6th, 2016, 1:38 am

Sphenocorona wrote:Wait, how are people running gfind with periods greater than 10? I can't get it to even try anything higher than period 6...

You need to use the "l" parameter to set the width of the search. For example,
B3/S23/o11/n1/l88/u

searches for a bilaterally symmetric c/11 orthogonal spaceship of width 7. Given the parameter "lx" where x is a number, will search for a spaceship of (asymmetric) width x/2p where p is the period.

To see all parameters, run gfind with only the "c" parameter.
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby Alexey_Nigin » March 6th, 2016, 5:27 am

Here is a gun:

x = 604, y = 526, rule = B3/S23
385b2o$385b2o2$94b2o$94b2o83b2o$179b2o205bo$95bo289bobo$94bobo287bo3bo
$94bobo288b3o$95bo287b2o3b2o3$92b2obob2o80bo$92bo5bo79b3o$93bo3bo79b5o
228bo22bo18bo$94b3o79bobobobo210b2o15b2o8b2o11b3o6b2o6b3o$82bo93b2o3b
2o210b2o16b2o7b2o14bo5b2o5bo$81bobo322b2o2b2o23b2o12b2o$74b2o3b2o3bo
28bo18bo18b3o3bo220b2o$74b2o3b2o3bo28b3o6b2o6b3o11b2o3b5o2bobo12b2o6bo
196bo3bo16bo$79b2o3bo31bo5b2o5bo14b2o2b2o3b2o3bo12b2o5bobo189b2o3bo5bo
13b5o36b2o$81bobo31b2o12b2o18b2o3bo2bo20bobo189b2o2b2obo3bo12bo2bob2o
5b2o2b2o24b2o3b2o$82bo67bo3b3o22bo3bobo189bo5bo11bo7bo9b2o7b2o19b2o$
178b2o3bo2bo189bo3bo13bo2bob2o9b2o8b2o$128b2o20bo3b3o21b2o6b2o6b2o182b
2o15b5o10bo$95b3o25b2o3b2o19b2o3bo2bo19bo2bo3bo3b2o4b2o201bo$89b2o4b3o
25b2o19b2o2b2o3b2o3bo19b2o6b2o235bo7bo$89b2o3bo3bo45b2o3b5o2bobo24bo2b
o236b3o5b3o$93bo5bo51b3o3bo25bobo240bo7bo$94b2ob2o296bo29b2o6b2o$134bo
7bo253b2o$94b2ob2o33b3o5b3o252b2o$93bo5bo31bo7bo$94bo3bo32b2o6b2o$95b
3o$95b3o$390bo24b2o$385bo4b4o21b2o$385bo5b4o$380b2o9bo2bo$149b2o25b2o
202b2o9b4o$149b2o24bo3bo210b4o$88b2o7b2o75bo5bo209bo9b3o$88bob2o3b2obo
75bo3bob2o2b2o213b2ob2o8b2o$88bo3bobo3bo75bo5bo3b2o213b2ob2o8bo$88b2o
2bobo2b2o76bo3bo219b5o9bo$89b3o3b3o78b2o220b2o3b2o7b2o$90bo5bo55b2o$
153bo$152bo10b3o$152b2o8bo3bo$161bo5bo234b2o$161bo5bo$89b2o5b2o66bo$
89b2o5b2o64bo3bo$163b3o234b2o$164bo235b2o$480b2o$480bo$79b2o83b2o312bo
bo$80bo83b2o312b2o$80bobo$81b2o4$479b2o$473b2o4b2o$80b2o245b2o144b2o$
80b2o4b2o239b2o$86b2o$328bo$327bobo144b2o$327bobo144b2o2b2o$85b2o241bo
149bobo$81b2o2b2o379b2o12bo$80bobo383bobo11b2o$80bo12b2o230b2obob2o
136bo$79b2o11bobo230bo5bo136b2o$92bo233bo3bo$91b2o234b3o2$343bo3b2o26b
o18bo$335b2o4b2obob3o13b2o11b3o6b2o6b3o71b2o$335b2o4bo4b3o13b2o14bo5b
2o5bo74bobo$93b2o246bo3bo31b2o12b2o75bo$92bobo226b2o19b3o123b2o$92bo
228b3o$91b2o219b2o9b2obo15b3o33b2o92b2o5b2o$312bo5bo4bo2bo14bo3bo32b2o
3b2o87b2o5b2o$80b2o5b2o228bo5b2obo14bo4b3o13b2o19b2o$80b2o5b2o224bo3bo
3b3o17b2obob3o13b2o$315bo5b2o20bo3b2o$458b2o$365bo7bo84b2o$101b2o262b
3o5b3o$80b3o3b3o12b2o265bo7bo72b2obo$80bo2bobo2bo278b2o6b2o72bob2o$79b
o3bobo3bo18bob2o$80bo2bobo2bo19b2obo$82bo3bo$80b2o5b2o$79b3o5b3o$79b3o
5b3o$335bo21b2o113bo7bo$334b4o19b2o89b2o21b4o3b4o$333b2obobo109bobo20b
o3bobo3bo$113bo208b2o8b3obo2bo3bo99b2o6bo20bo2bobo2bo$86b3o23bobo207b
2o9b2obobo3bobo94b2obo2bo2bo2bo20b3o3b3o$86b3o23b2obo218b4o3bo3bo93b2o
2b2o6bo$85b5o22b2ob2o3b2o213bo5b5o102bobo$84b2o3b2o21b2obo4b2o218b2o3b
2o7b2o92b2o$84b2o3b2o21bobo28b2o196b5o8bo$113bo30bo197b3o10bo$144bobo
196bo10b2o$145b2o332b2o$84b2o3b2o388b2o$80b2o2b2o3b2o364b3o$80b2o3b5o
364bo3bo$86b3o364bo5bo$86b3o364b2obob2o23b2o$144b2o328bo8b2o$77b2o23b
5o37b2o4b2o321bo5bo6b2o$76bo3bo5bo14bob3obo42b2o190b2o83b2o27bo16bob2o
3bo5b3o5b2o$75bo5bo3bobo14bo3bo235b2o83bo27bobo16b6o6b2o6b2o$65b2o8bo
3bob2o2bobo15b3o319bobo27bobo17b4o4b2o$65b2o8bo5bo4bo17bo320b2o29bo26b
2o$76bo3bo68b2o$77b2o66b2o2b2o304b2o14b2obob2o$83b2o3b2o54bobo308b2o$
83bo5bo14b2o38bo12b2o312bo5bo$104b2o37b2o11bobo$84bo3bo67bo269b2o44b2o
b2o$85b3o67b2o263b2o4b2o46bo$420b2o4$157b2o262b2o51b2o$156bobo262b2o2b
2o47b2o$85b2o69bo268bobo$85b2o68b2o256b2o12bo$413bobo11b2o$144b2o5b2o
262bo$144b2o5b2o262b2o4$145bo5bo13b2o$144b3o3b3o12b2o246b2o$143b2o2bob
o2b2o259bobo$143b2ob2ob2ob2o18bob2o239bo$146b2ob2o21b2obo239b2o$144bob
o3bobo$143bo2bo3bo2bo63bo136bo64b2o5b2o$146bo3bo67bo134bo65b2o5b2o$
143bobo5bobo62b3o134b3o$144bo7bo2$405b2o$151bo25bo227b2o$150bobo23bobo
36bo140bo$175bo3b2o35b2o136b2o40b2obo$148bo5bo20bo3b2o3b2o29b2o138b2o
39bob2o$151bo23bo3b2o3b2o$148b2o3b2o21bobo$177bo3$148b2o3b2o$144b2o5bo
266b2o7b2o$144b2o2bo5bo243bo19bob2o3b2obo$398bobo17bo3bobo3bo$150bobo
246bobo16b2o2bobo2b2o$151bo15b3o216b2o11bo2bo16b3o3b3o$141bo24bo3bo
157bo57b2o11bobo18bo5bo$140b2o8bo14bo5bo155bo35b2o33bobo$139b2o4b2o2bo
bo14bo3bo156b3o33bo34bo$129b2o7b3o4b2o2bobo15b3o84bo106bobo$129b2o8b2o
4b2o3bo16b3o85b2o104b2o40bo$140b2o112b2o146bobo$141bo57b2o200bo3bo20b
2o$147b2o3b2o45b2o115bo85b3o21b2o$147b2o3b2o14b2o145bo84b2o3b2o$168b2o
145b3o$149b3o48bo161b2o$149b3o47bobo154b2o4b2o70bo$150bo47bo3bo153b2o
75b4o$198b5o229b2obobo$197b2o3b2o227b3obo2bo2b2o$198b5o229b2obobo3b2o$
199b3o16b2o137b2o74b4o$200bo17b2o137b2o2b2o58bo12bo$149b2o210bobo56b3o
$149b2o38bo159b2o12bo38b2o15b5o$187bobo26bo132bobo11b2o37b2o14bobobobo
$179b2o4b2o30bo133bo66b2o3b2o$179b2o4b2o30bo133b2o$185b2o$187bobo231bo
$189bo25b2o3b2o198bobo$201bo16bo201bobo$201bo13bo5bo127b2o70bo$216b2ob
2o128bobo69b2o$194b2o21bobo131bo69b2o$194b2o2b2o3b2o13bo132b2o68b2o$
218bo$355b2o5b2o$355b2o5b2o$224bobo$223bo2bo$198b2o3b2o17b2o10b2o$220b
2o3bo8b2o105b2o$222b2o5b2o110b2o$201bo21bo2bo4bo48bo10bo$201bo22bobo
54bo8bo41b2obo$279b3o8b3o39bob2o2$194bo7bo$194b2o5b2o$194b3o3b3o$196b
2ob2o$196bo3bo82bo4bo$193b2o7b2o18b2obo57b2o2b2o65b3o5b3o$193b2o7b2o
18bob2o56bobo2bobo45bo17b2ob2o3b2ob2o$197bobo134bobo16b2obobobobob2o$
193bo2bo3bo2bo11b2o117b2obo16bo3bobo3bo$194b3o3b3o12b2o105b2o10b2ob2o
15bo2bo3bo2bo$322b2o10b2obo17b3o3b3o$334bobo$335bo$194b2o5b2o77b2o8b2o
$194b2o5b2o78b2o6b2o48bo$280bo10bo46b3o$205b2o130bo3bo20b2o$206bo129bo
b3obo19b2o$206bobo128b5o$207b2o2$249b2o118b2o$250b2o116bo3bo$249bo117b
o5bo$205b2o160bo3bob2o2b2o$206bo160bo5bo3b2o$193b2o11bobo159bo3bo$194b
o12b2o147b3o10b2o$194bobo158bo3bo$195b2o2b2o137b2o$199b2o137b2o14bo5bo
$354b2o3b2o2$214b3o$200b2o12bo142bo$194b2o4b2o13bo140bobo$194b2o160bob
o$356bo$223bo132bo$222b3o131bo2bo$221bo3bo131b2o$221bob3o$195b2o23b3ob
o$194bobo23b2o$194bo$193b2o61bo$256b2o$255bobo$320b2o$320bobo$320bo9$
120b2o$120b2o$284b2o$284b2o$121bo$120bobo$119bo3bo158bo$119b5o159bo$
118b2o3b2o91bo66bo71bo$119b5o92b2o136b2o$120b3o16b2o74bobo136bobo$121b
o17b2o140b2o3b2o$237b2o33b2o10bo$110bo125b2obo32bo8bo5bo$108bobo26bo
99bob2o32bo8b2ob2o$100b2o4b2o30bo80b3o14bo2bo32b2o9bobo64b3o$100b2o4b
2o30bo74b2o6bo13b4o45bo9bobo53bo6b2o$106b2o106b2o4bo14b2o47bo8bo2bo54b
o4b2o$108bobo102bo78b2o10b2o52bo$110bo25b2o3b2o147b2o3bo8b2o$139bo152b
2o5b2o$136bo5bo102bo23b2o22bo2bo4bo$137b2ob2o101bobo23b2o23bobo$115b2o
21bobo103b2o$115b2o4b3o6bo8bo$121b3o7bo7bo$120bo3bo4b3o$120b2ob2o$120b
o3bo20bobo$121bobo20bo2bo103b2o6b2o$121bobo19b2o10b2o94bo7bo$122bo18b
2o3bo8b2o95b3o5b3o$143b2o5b2o102bo7bo219b2o$144bo2bo4bo132bo5bo190b2o$
145bobo122bob2o11bo5bo15bo$264b2o3bo2b2o2b3o27b4o$117b2ob2o121b2o19b2o
3bo6b2o3b2o11b2o9b2obobo169bo$116bo5bo120b2o3b2o19b2o3b3o27b3obo2bo2b
2o8b2o155bo$248b2o21bo3bo9bo5bo13b2obobo3b2o8b2o155bo$115bo7bo161bo5bo
14b4o$115bo2bobo2bo147bo3bo31bo$115b3o3b3o111b2o12b2o18b2o3b3o202b2o3b
2o$143b2obo89bo5b2o5bo14b2o3bo6b2o13b2o170b2o17bo$143bob2o86b3o6b2o6b
3o11b2o3bo2b2o2b3o12b2o170b2o14bo5bo$233bo18bo17bob2o206b2ob2o$136b2o
343bobo9b2o$136b2o187bo156bo9bobo$324b3o9b2o144bo8b3o4b2ob3o$296b2o3b
2o20b5o9bo152b3o4bo2b4o$322b2o3b2o7bo154b3o4b2o$115b2o5b2o104b2o67bo3b
o34b2o154bobo$115b2o5b2o104b2o68b3o15bo176b2o$298b3o14b2o146b3o$126b2o
176b2o8b2o4b2o2b3o135bo3bo$127bo100bo75b2o7b3o4b2o2b3o134bo5bo$66b2o
59bobo97bobo84b2o4b2o139bo5bo19b2o$66b2o60b2o96bo3bo84b2o22b2o123bo22b
2o$226b5o68b2o15bo22b2o121bo3bo$225b2o3b2o67b2o162b3o15bo5bo$226b5o
233bo15b3o3b3o$67bo148b2o9b3o229b2o19bo2bobo2bo$66b3o57b2o88bo11bo229b
o3bo19b2ob2o$65bo3bo57bo89bo229b2o8bo5bo$64bob3obo43b2o11bobo86b2o229b
2o8bo3bob2o$65b5o45bo12b2o111bo107b2o6b2o98bo5bo$85b2o28bobo122b4o106b
o7bo99bo3bo17bo7bo$84bobo29b2o2b2o117b2obobo3b2o97b3o5b3o101b2o20bobob
obo$83b3o34b2o116b3obo2bo2b2o97bo7bo125bobobobo$57bo25b2o154b2obobo76b
o158bob2ob2obo$54b4o4bo20b2o128b2o25b4o60bo14b5o10bo145b2o5b2o$46b2o5b
4o5bo21bobo126b2o26bo57bo4b4o10bo2bob2o9b2o8b2o$46b2o5bo2bo28bo35b2o
176bo5b4o8bo7bo9b2o7b2o19b2o$53b4o58b2o4b2o171b2o9bo2bo9bo2bob2o5b2o2b
2o24b2o3b2o$54b4o57b2o177b2o9b4o10b5o36b2o$57bo24b2o3b2o215b4o13bo135b
ob2o$82b2o3b2o215bo152b2obo$330b2o2b2o23b2o12b2o$84b3o108b2o6b2o112b2o
16b2o7b2o14bo5b2o5bo92b2o$61b2o21b3o108bo7bo113b2o15b2o8b2o11b3o6b2o6b
3o89b2o$61b2o22bo30b2o78b3o5b3o127bo22bo18bo$115bobo80bo7bo102b3o$115b
o113bo5bo72bo3bo$114b2o98bob2o11bo5bo11b2o125b2o104b2o5b2o$92b2o114b2o
3bo2b2o2b3o24b3o57bo5bo60b2o104b2o5b2o$62bo5bo23b2o93b2o19b2o3bo6b2o3b
2o11b2o2b2o5b2obo54b2o3b2o$61b3o3b3o19b2o6bo3b2o84b2o3b2o19b2o3b3o20bo
2bo4bo2bo5b2o216b2o$60bo2b2ob2o2bo17b3o5bo3bobo89b2o21bo3bo9bo5bo6b2o
5b2obo5b2o117bo98bo$60bo3bobo3bo18b2o6b5o127bo5bo11b3o60bo65bo97bobo
59b2o$62bobobobo23b2o4b3o114bo3bo23bo3b2o60bobo64bo97b2o59bobo$92b2o
85b2o12b2o18b2o3b3o21bobo64bobo222b3o$59b2ob2o3b2ob2o108bo5b2o5bo14b2o
3bo6b2o13b2o5bobo66bo222b2o$61bo7bo107b3o6b2o6b3o11b2o3bo2b2o2b3o12b2o
6bo67bo60b2o3b2o155b2o$177bo18bo17bob2o90bo2bo63bo10b2o147bobo$309b2o
61bo5bo8bo79b2o7b2o58bo$240b2obob2o126b2ob2o8bo79bobo7bo$240bo5bo127bo
bo9b2o80bo5bobo11b2o$20b2o219bo3bo117bobo9bo98b2o12bo44b2o3b2o$20b2o
67b2obo149b3o118bo2bo8bo87b2o21bobo28b2o14b2o3b2o$89bob2o261b2o10b2o
94b2o2bo15b2o2b2o29b2o$354b2o8bo3b2o91bo4bo15b2o51b3o$82b2o275b2o5b2o
93b4obo68b3o10bo$82b2o274bo4bo2bo22b2o71bo2b2o69bo10b2o$363bobo23b2o
72b3o80b2o4b2o2b2o$464bo16b2o62b3o4b2o2b2o$481b2o4b2o57b2o4b2o$61b2o5b
2o173b2o242b2o58b2o$39b2o20b2o5b2o173b2o303bo$39b2o328b2o$18b2o3b2o47b
2o294bobo146b3o$9bobo8b3o50bo296bo28b2o6b2o107bo3bo$9bo2bo6bo3bo49bobo
324bo7bo106bo5bo19b2o$2o10b2o6bobo51b2o321b3o5b3o78b2o28bo3bo20b2o$2o
8bo3b2o5bo375bo7bo80bobo28b3o$5b2o5b2o474bo28b3o$4bo4bo2bo25b3o311bo
17b3o115b2o$9bobo25bo3bo308b4o14b2obob2o8b3o8b2o118bo$72b2o275bobob2o
13b2o5bo5bo3bo8b2o19b2o96bobo$36bo5bo30bo270b2o2bo2bob3o12b2obob2o5bo
4bo24b2o3b2o84b2o9bo3b2o$36b2o3b2o17b2o11bobo268b2o3bobob2o15b3o7bo3bo
25b2o89b2o9bo3b2o$15b2o44bo12b2o274b4o158bo3b2o$13bo2bo44bobo288bo27bo
3bo128bobo$21b3o15bo22b2o2b2o312bo4bo23b2o12b2o89bo20bo5bo$18bobo3bo
13bobo25b2o299b2o12bo3bo8b2o14bo5b2o5bo110b3o3b3o$13b2o3bobo3bo13bobo
326b2o14b3o8b2o11b3o6b2o6b3o106b2o2bobo2b2o$22b2o14bo5b2o361bo18bo105b
ob4ob4obo$17bo3bo16bo5bo2bo486b3o3b3o$38bo2bo6bo6b2o10b2o464b3o5b3o$
38bo2bo6bo6b2o4b2o4b2o$39b2o7bo12b2o294b2o3b2o218b2o$15b2o5b2o20bo2bo
463bob2o4bo62b2o$44b2o312bo3bo148b2obo4b2o$14bo9bo334b3o$14bo3bobo3bo
334b3o158bo2bo$14bo3bobo3bo495bo2bo$15bobo3bobo38b2o457b3o$16bo5bo38bo
bo$61bo519b3o$60b2o297b2o173b2o5b2o37bo3bo$43b2obo312b2o173b2o5b2o20b
2o$43bob2o516b2o14bo5bo$530b2o47b2o3b2o$36b2o492bo59b2o$36b2o490bobo
57bo3bo$528b2o34bo17bo4bo5bo8b2o$563b3o15bobo2b2obo3bo8b2o$562bo3bo14b
obo3bo5bo$15b2o5b2o537bob3obo14bo5bo3bo$15b2o5b2o538b5o23b2o$530b2o$
26b2o502bo$27bo500bobo11b2o$27bobo498b2o12bo44b2o$28b2o510bobo44b2o$
536b2o2b2o$536b2o2$34b2o519bo$26b2o6bobo517bobo24bo5bo$27bo6bo500b2o
10b2o4bob2o23b3o3b3o$14b2o11bobo505b2o4b2o4b2o3b2ob2o22bo2b2ob2o2bo$
15bo12b2o511b2o10bob2o22bo3bobo3bo$15bobo23b2o511bobo24bobobobo$16b2o
2b2o19b2o512bo$20b2o16b3o537b2ob2o3b2ob2o$39bo2b2o536bo7bo$38b3ob2o$
41b2o497b2o$21b2o14b2o2bo498bobo$15b2o4b2o15b3o501bo$15b2o22bo502b2o$
557bob2o$557b2obo2$566b2o$566b2o$16b2o$15bobo$15bo$14b2o564b2o5b2o$
580b2o5b2o2$527b2o47b2o$526b2o48bo$528bo45bobo$574b2o3$47b2o474b2o$46b
obo474bobo$48bo474bo52b2o$576bo$573b2obo11b2o$35b2o14bo7b2o514bo12bo$
34b3o13b2o6bo2bo12b2o495bo14bobo$31bob2o5b2o7bo8bo2b2o11b2o497bo8b2o2b
2o$24b2o5bo2bo4bo2bo7b2obo4bo2bo510bo9b2o$24b2o5bob2o5b2o9b3o6bo$34b3o
$35b2o3bo10b3o6bo$39bobo6bob2obo4bo2bo519b2o$39bobo5bo10bo2b2o11b2o
505b2o4b2o$40bo6bo3bo6bo2bo12b2o511b2o$48b4o7b2o$554b2o$37b2obob2o509b
ob2o3b2o$37bo5bo511bo$38bo3bo513bobo$39b3o516bo27b2o$558b2o26bobo$588b
o$588b2o5$39b2o$39b2o8$544b4o23bo$528b2o14bo2b2o21b4o$528b2o15bo2b2o
19b2obobo$545bo2bo19b3obo2bo2b2o$546b2o21b2obobo3b2o$570b4o$546b2o23bo
$545bo2bo$528b2o15bo2b2o5b2o$528b2o14bo2b2o6b2o$544b4o4$560b2o3b2o2$
561bo3bo$562b3o$562b3o5$563b2o$563b2o!
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Re: is this c/10 spaceship known?

Postby muzik » March 6th, 2016, 5:31 am

Alexey_Nigin wrote:Here is a gun:

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Beat me to it - but to be honest, I could never figure out how to correctly do those tight glider spacings
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