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Goldtiger997 wrote:It's on chris_c's display_synth script which can be found here; http://www.conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2441&start=175, and also on BobShemyakin's database.

Thanks! I didn't know about that script, it will be very helpful in the future.

EDIT: Another partial synthesis, just needs something to salvage the top at t≈20.

x = 20, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory.A$2.A$3A3$11.A$12.A$10.2ACD$13.D.2D.A$13.D.D.A$4.A7.2D2.D3A$5.A9.2D$3.3A6.2D.D2.A$12.D2.D.2A$13.2D2.A.A8$5.2A$4.A.A$6.A! EDIT2: And another way to salvage the bottom: x = 25, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory2.A.A$3.2A$3.A2$11.A.A$12.2A$12.A$15.2D5.A.A$16.D.2D2.2A$2.A13.D.D4.A$3.2A10.2D2.D$2.2A12.D.2D$16.D.D$15.2D.D$14.D2.D4.2A$14.2D6.A.A$22.A4$3A$2.A$.A16.3A$18.A$5.2A12.A$6.2A$5.A$22.3A$22.A$15.3A5.A$15.A$16.A!

EDIT3: Also this 3SL seed that forms a partial still life in t=18, this doesn't look as promising as the other one though:

x = 9, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory7.A$2.2A2.A.A$2.2A3.2A2$5.A$.A2.A.A$2.A2.A$3A!

gmc_nxtman

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gmc_nxtman wrote:...Another partial synthesis, just needs something to salvage the top at t≈20.

x = 20, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory.A$2.A$3A3$11.A$12.A$10.2ACD$13.D.2D.A$13.D.D.A$4.A7.2D2.D3A$5.A9.2D$3.3A6.2D.D2.A$12.D2.D.2A$13.2D2.A.A8$5.2A$4.A.A$6.A! EDIT2: And another way to salvage the bottom: x = 25, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory2.A.A$3.2A$3.A2$11.A.A$12.2A$12.A$15.2D5.A.A$16.D.2D2.2A$2.A13.D.D4.A$3.2A10.2D2.D$2.2A12.D.2D$16.D.D$15.2D.D$14.D2.D4.2A$14.2D6.A.A$22.A4$3A$2.A$.A16.3A$18.A$5.2A12.A$6.2A$5.A$22.3A$22.A$15.3A5.A$15.A$16.A!

EDIT3: Also this 3SL seed that forms a partial still life in t=18, this doesn't look as promising as the other one though:

x = 9, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory7.A$2.2A2.A.A$2.2A3.2A2$5.A$.A2.A.A$2.A2.A$3A!

Oddly, the last one is the most workable, not the first two (however cool they could be):
x = 21, y = 28, rule = B3/S2319bo$18bo$18b3o4$8bo$3b2o2bobo$3b2o3b2o7bo$16b2o$o5bo9bobo$b2o2bobo$2o4bo4$12bo$6b2o3b2o$7b2o2bobo$6bo6$16bo$15b2o$15bobo!

The toxic gap on the first two is really hard to fix.
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gmc_nxtman wrote:Also this 3SL seed that forms a partial still life in t=18, this doesn't look as promising as the other one though: ...

BlinkerSpawn wrote:Oddly, the last one is the most workable, not the first two (however cool they could be): ...

Two still-lifes can be combined, making this 12 gliders:
x = 158, y = 27, rule = B3/S23124bo$122bobo$123boo$$147boo8bo15bo19bo19bo19bo19bo29bo12bo5booobo4bo15bobobboo13bobobboo13bobobboo13bobobboo13bobobboo23bobobboo8b3obobboboo4b3o13boo3boo13boo3boo13boo3boo13boo3boo13boo3boo15boo6boo3boo10boboboobo124boo23bobbo106bo18bo10bo17bobo7b3o95bobo27bobobbobo12bobo7bo98bo29bo3boo14boo8bo132bo$$89boo$64boo18boobboo40boo3bo$44boo17bobbo16bobbo3bo40booboo$39b3oboo18bobbo16bobbo43bo3bobo$41bo3bo18boo18boo$40bo5$126boo$127boo$126bo!
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gmc_nxtman wrote:...Another partial synthesis, just needs something to salvage the top at t≈20.

x = 20, y = 25, rule = LifeHistory.A$2.A$3A3$11.A$12.A$10.2ACD$13.D.2D.A$13.D.D.A$4.A7.2D2.D3A$5.A9.2D$3.3A6.2D.D2.A$12.D2.D.2A$13.2D2.A.A8$5.2A$4.A.A$6.A! EDIT2: And another way to salvage the bottom: x = 25, y = 32, rule = LifeHistory2.A.A$3.2A$3.A2$11.A.A$12.2A$12.A$15.2D5.A.A$16.D.2D2.2A$2.A13.D.D4.A$3.2A10.2D2.D$2.2A12.D.2D$16.D.D$15.2D.D$14.D2.D4.2A$14.2D6.A.A$22.A4$3A$2.A$.A16.3A$18.A$5.2A12.A$6.2A$5.A$22.3A$22.A$15.3A5.A$15.A$16.A!

EDIT3: Also this 3SL seed that forms a partial still life in t=18, this doesn't look as promising as the other one though:

x = 9, y = 8, rule = LifeHistory7.A$2.2A2.A.A$2.2A3.2A2$5.A$.A2.A.A$2.A2.A$3A!

Oddly, the last one is the most workable, not the first two (however cool they could be):
x = 21, y = 28, rule = B3/S2319bo$18bo$18b3o4$8bo$3b2o2bobo$3b2o3b2o7bo$16b2o$o5bo9bobo$b2o2bobo$2o4bo4$12bo$6b2o3b2o$7b2o2bobo$6bo6$16bo$15b2o$15bobo!

The toxic gap on the first two is really hard to fix.

x = 78, y = 41, rule = B3/S2322bo53bo$21bo53bo$21b3o51b3o4$5bo14bo38bo14bo$6bo13bobo37bo13bobo$4b3o13b2o36b3o13b2o6$12bo53bo$10bobo51bobo$2o9b2o41b2o9b2o$b2o18bo33b2o18bo$o20bobo30bo20bobo$21b2o52b2o2$bo53bo7bo$b2o52b2o6bobo$obo51bobo6b2o$21b2o52b2o$20b2o52b2o$22bo53bo4$50b2o$3b2o46b2o19bo$2bobo45bo20b2o$4bo12b3o51bobo$17bo40b3o$18bo41bo$59bo16bo$75b2o$58bo16bobo$58b2o$57bobo!
Iteration of sigma(n)+tau(n)-n [sigma(n)+tau(n)-n : OEIS A163163] (e.g. 16,20,28,34,24,44,46,30,50,49,11,3,3, ...) :
965808 is period 336 (max = 207085118608).
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AbhpzTa wrote:
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Nice!

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These synthesis methods are likely known/obsoleted:

x = 59, y = 31, rule = B3/S2343bo$42bo$42b3o$54bo$25bo26b2o$26bo18bobo5b2o$24b3o18b2o$46bo$3bo$2bo$2b3o$14bo$bo10b2o$2bo2bobo5b2o$3o2b2o$6bo2$16b3o$16bo$17bo$10bo$9b2o$9bobo39bobo$2b2o47b2o$3b2o47bo$2bo53b3o$56bo$48bo8bo$37bo9b2o$37b2o8bobo$36bobo! However, the base can create many other syntheses if someone can figure out the sparks: x = 72, y = 24, rule = B3/S2329bo3bo27bo3b2o4bo$b2o2b3o20bobobobo2b3o20bobobo2bob3o$o2bo25b2obo2bo25b2obo2bob2o$b2o3b2o25b2o3b2o25b2o$8bo19bo11bo19bo$2b2o4bo25b2o4bo25b2o$2b2o30bobo29b2o$35bo9$29bo3bo27bo3b2o4bo$b2o2b3o20bobobobo2b3o20bobobo2bob3o$o2bo25b2obo2bo25b2obo2bob2o$b2o3b2o25b2o3b2o25b2o$8bo19bo11bo19bo$2b2o4bo25b2o4bo25b2o$2bobo29bobo29bobo$3bo31bo31bo!

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Here's a cleaner version of a converter I posted on the Useless Discoveries thread. I have no idea how to find out if this is known or if there are existing converters which can be applied to an object like this.

x = 32, y = 39, rule = B3/S23b2o3bo3bo3bo3b2o$bobobobobobobobobobo$3bobobobobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobo$3bobobobobobobobo$bobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobo$bobobobobobobobobobo$3bobobobobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobo$3bobobobobobobobo$bobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobo$obobobobobobobobobobo$bobobobobobobobobobo$3bobobobobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobo$2bobobobobobobobobo$3bobobobobobobobo$bobobobobobobobobobo$b2o3bo3bo3bo3b2o7bo$26bo$26b3o8$29b2o$29bobo$18b2o9bo$19b2o5b2o$18bo6bobo$27bo! The latest version of the 5S Project contains over 221,000 spaceships. Tabulated pages up to period 160 are available on the LifeWiki. wildmyron Posts: 1238 Joined: August 9th, 2013, 12:45 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Not sure which thread to post this on: 11G synthesis of 17.3251 x = 79, y = 23, rule = B3/S232bo$obo$b2o3bo$4b2o$5b2o49bo$55bo10bo8b2o$25b2ob2o15b2ob2o5b3o7bo9bobo$3bo21bo3bo15bo3bo15b3o10bo$bobo4b2o16b3o17b3o24b5o$2b2o4bobo12b3o17b3o26bo$8bo13bo3bo15bo3bo25b2o2b2o$22b2ob2o15b2ob2o29b2o$55bo$5b2o47bo$6b2o46b3o$5bo3b2o$9bobo$9bo44b3o$54bo$55bo$61b2o$61bobo$61bo! I only post this because it seems reasonably efficient and I can't find an existing synth for this SL in Mark's nor Chris' database. What is the current thing to do with syntheses like this one that come along while searching for something else? The latest version of the 5S Project contains over 221,000 spaceships. Tabulated pages up to period 160 are available on the LifeWiki. wildmyron Posts: 1238 Joined: August 9th, 2013, 12:45 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Because this c/10 lwss siderake works well with corderships, i tried it to combine with the reflecting cordership in some hotel-patterns. It worked reasonable well aside from the diagonal row of blocks. x = 683, y = 683, rule = 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At my tries to make a breeder from this c/10-rake cordership interaction i tried to replace the c/10-rake with a cordership-lwss-rake and failed. The lwss-output of the c/12d-rake was too much for the receiving corderships.

To cut a long story short. The combination of two c/12d-rakes with cordership-reflectors fits. If you put this glider-injector on both sides of the hotel, unfortunately every place in the hotel is occupied. You have full house!
x = 639, y = 657, rule = 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christoph r. Posts: 145 Joined: March 24th, 2016, 2:55 pm Location: Germany ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Probably known p2 wick: x = 22, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory18.2A$17.A2.A$16.A2.A.A$16.A.A2.A$14.2A.A2.A$13.A2.A.2A$12.A2.A.A$12.A.A2.A$10.2A.A2.A$9.A2.A.2A$8.A2.A.A$8.A.A2.A$6.2A.A2.A$5.A2.A.2A$4.A2.A.A$4.A.A2.A$2.2A.A2.A$.A2.A.2A$A2.A.A$A.A2.A$.A2.A$2.2A!

EDIT: Stabilization:

x = 22, y = 22, rule = LifeHistory18.2A$17.A2.A$16.A.A2.A$16.A.2A.A$14.2A.A2.A$13.A2.A.2A$12.A2.A.A$12.A.A2.A$10.2A.A2.A$9.A2.A.2A$8.A2.A.A$8.A.A2.A$6.2A.A2.A$5.A2.A.2A$4.A2.A.A$4.A.A2.A$2.2A.A2.A$.A2.A.2A$A.2A.A$A2.A.A$.A2.A$2.2A! gmc_nxtman Posts: 1147 Joined: May 26th, 2015, 7:20 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Volatile p5. Known?: x = 25, y = 8, rule = B3/S232ob2o5b5o5b2ob2o$o7b9o7bo$b2o2bobo9bobo2b2o$2b3o15b3o$2b3o15b3o$b2o2bobo9bobo2b2o$o7b9o7bo$2ob2o5b5o5b2ob2o!
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Is this c/3 ship inside a 13x13 bounding box known? I would assume so, but I have never seen it before. It can eat gliders in a somewhat interesting way:
x = 15, y = 17, rule = B3/S234bo$3bobob2o$2bo4b2o$2bo4bobo$4b3o2bo$2b4obobo$2b2o2b2obob2o$2o2b2obobob2o$7bobo$o6bo2bo$2bo4b2ob3o$3b5o$2b2o2$12b3o$12bo$13bo! x₁=ηx V ⃰_η=c²√(Λη) K=(Λu²)/2 Pₐ=1−1/(∫^∞_t₀(p(t)ˡ⁽ᵗ⁾)dt) $$x_1=\eta x$$ $$V^*_\eta=c^2\sqrt{\Lambda\eta}$$ $$K=\frac{\Lambda u^2}2$$ $$P_a=1-\frac1{\int^\infty_{t_0}p(t)^{l(t)}dt}$$ http://conwaylife.com/wiki/A_for_all Aidan F. Pierce A for awesome Posts: 1880 Joined: September 13th, 2014, 5:36 pm Location: 0x-1 ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Can this be used as a p5 rotor? I assume not since it generates inaccessible junk inside itself x = 4, y = 6, rule = B3/S23b2o$4o3$4o$b2o!
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B3/S236bo$6bo$6bo3$8b2o$8bobo$5bo3b2o$4b3o$3bobobo5b3o$2b3ob3o$3bobobo$4b3o$2o3bo$obo$b2o! Bored of using the Moore neighbourhood for everything? Introducing the Range-2 von Neumann isotropic non-totalistic rulespace! muzik Posts: 3466 Joined: January 28th, 2016, 2:47 pm Location: Scotland ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries I made a methuselah that takes up only 9 cells and stabilizes at exactly gen 1,100 with 6 escaped gliders, I call it the grenade because, well, that's what it looks like. here it is: #CXRLE Pos=-3,-6x = 4, y = 4, rule = B3/S233o$2obo$bobo$2bo!

also, I found you can make an infinitely expandable still lifes called 'parks', and certain still lifes can be merged into a strict 'gem' still life. here are the parks & gems I have discovered:
bee gem:
#CXRLE Pos=-6,-8x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S233b2o$2bo2bo$bob2obo$obo2bobo$obo2bobo$bob2obo$2bo2bo$3b2o! mango gem: #CXRLE Pos=-4,-6 Gen=108x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S235b2o$4bo2bo$3bo2bobo$2bob2obobo$bobo2bo2bo$o2bo2bobo$obob2obo$bobo2bo$2bo2bo$3b2o!

loaf gem:
#CXRLE Pos=-11,-11 Gen=114x = 9, y = 9, rule = B3/S234bo$3bobo$2bobobo$bo2bo2bo$ob2ob2obo$bo2bo2bo$2bobobo$3bobo$4bo!

pond gem:
#CXRLE Pos=-9,-10 Gen=48x = 10, y = 10, rule = B3/S234b2o$3bo2bo$3bo2bo$b2ob2ob2o$o2bo2bo2bo$o2bo2bo2bo$b2ob2ob2o$3bo2bo$3bo2bo$4b2o! park 1 (because there WILL be more, lol): #CXRLE Pos=-11,-18 Gen=195x = 18, y = 18, rule = B3/S238b2o$7bo2bo$6bob2obo$5bobo2bobo$5bobo2bobo$3b2o3b2o3b2o$2bo12bo$bob2o8b2obo$obo2bo6bo2bobo$obo2bo6bo2bobo$bob2o8b2obo$2bo12bo$3b2o3b2o3b2o$5bobo2bobo$5bobo2bobo$6bob2obo$7bo2bo$8b2o!

are any of these new or is what I just did completely useless?
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo! No football of any dui mauris said that. 83bismuth38 Posts: 453 Joined: March 2nd, 2017, 4:23 pm Location: Still sitting around in Sagittarius A... ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries Oh I forgot, I found what I think to be another new still life that I call a grapple: #CXRLE Pos=-4,-9 Gen=125x = 6, y = 6, rule = B3/S232o$obo$2bo$bob2o$2bo2bo$4b2o!

and a rather large period 2 oscillator I call the hourglass:
#CXRLE Pos=-5,-10 Gen=100x = 8, y = 8, rule = B3/S233bo$2bobo$bo2bo$o4b2o$b2o4bo$3bo2bo$3bobo$4bo! ok I hope that's all, lol. x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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All of those discoveries are utterly useless, because still lifes and period 2 oscillators are non-notable.
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83bismuth38 wrote:are any of these new or is what I just did completely useless?

As drc observed, these indeed aren't notable discoveries - the methuselah isn't either, we know 9-cell patterns lasting over 17k generations -, but I wanted to say welcome to you anyway. And don't let yourself be discouraged; keep experimenting!
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Thanks! one thing though - what SHOULD I experiment with? (also, I'm still going to make more still lifes, lol)
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo! No football of any dui mauris said that. 83bismuth38 Posts: 453 Joined: March 2nd, 2017, 4:23 pm Location: Still sitting around in Sagittarius A... ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries 83bismuth38 wrote:Thanks! one thing though - what SHOULD I experiment with? (also, I'm still going to make more still lifes, lol) Feel free to experiment with anything that interests you. It's difficult to make new discoveries in an area until you already have a fairly good understanding of what has been previously discovered in that area. However, before posting any new and exciting new discoveries, have a look to see whether they have been discovered before. What may be new to you may have been known for decades by others. All objects up to 14 bits (with one exception) had glider syntheses in the 1990s, so they were of course known long before then. The Hourglass (also known as Four Boats) has also been long known. At present, all still-lifes and pseudo-still-lifes up to 30 bits have been discovered, via exhaustive computer search, as well as all P2 oscillators and pseudo-oscillators up to 21 bits, and P3 oscillators and pseudo-oscillators up to 20 bits. All oscillators and pseudo-oscillators of all periods have been found up to 21 bits, but as these have not been verified by computer, it's possible that some have slipped between the cracks. (For example, after manually tabulating 206 P3s up to 20 bits, 10 more were discovered by computer search). It is unlikely that you will find new still-lifes or oscillators unless they are of larger sizes than these, and (at least for still-lifes), they are so easy to create, they are rarely interesting. Two things that can make still-lifes interesting are naturalness (i.e. if they occur spontaneously from soups, or can be easily synthesized from gliders), or usefulness in engineering situations (e.g. if they can be used as specialized eaters, or as static bases that are used in the process of synthesizing oscillators or spaceships, etc.) Low-period oscillators are rarely interesting unless they have a new rotor (i.e. adding larger variant stators to an oscillator is as easy as making a larger still-life). mniemiec Posts: 1045 Joined: June 1st, 2013, 12:00 am ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries We do have a few significant gaps to fill, with these five popping out at me instantly, but these will probably take measures a bit more nitty-gritty than simple experimentation; - Oscillators of periods 19, 23, 38, 41, and a nontrivial p34, - Small orthogonal spaceships of speeds c/8, c/9 and everything slower than c/10, - Small diagonal spaceships of speeds c/8, c/9, c/10, c/11 and everything slower than c/12, - Over the last just about 50 years, we haven't found any elementary/small knightships yet, - Small clean replicators. Bored of using the Moore neighbourhood for everything? Introducing the Range-2 von Neumann isotropic non-totalistic rulespace! muzik Posts: 3466 Joined: January 28th, 2016, 2:47 pm Location: Scotland ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries awesome! thanks! btw, i have a thread going in the sandbox with tons more, so see if they can be used for anything x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo!

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I just made a period 24 oscillator:
#CXRLE Pos=-18,-18 Gen=606x = 29, y = 20, rule = B3/S2320bo$19bobo$20bo2$18b5o$18bo4bo$3bo17bo2bo$3bo17b2obo2bo$bob2o13b2o4bobobo$2o3bo3bo3b2o2bo2bo3bo2bo$4bobobobo2bo4bobo2b2o$3bo2bobo2bobo5bo$4b3ob3o2bob2o$13bob2o$4b3ob3o3bo4bo$3bo2bobo2bo3b5o$4bobobobo$5bo3bo7bo$16bobo$17bo!

and yes, it is trivial, and YES, it is all strictly bound, you cannot take away any of the loaves. :D

(edit): hey, is there a period-7 oscillator i could add onto this? and one more thing: the numbers you stated (except for 34, but it's non-trivial) are PRIME, so no combination of oscillators will EVER work, unless you get something to work sub-generation. the reason is because you can't multiply any n amount of whole numbers to get a prime. :P
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo$2bo! No football of any dui mauris said that. 83bismuth38 Posts: 453 Joined: March 2nd, 2017, 4:23 pm Location: Still sitting around in Sagittarius A... ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries 83bismuth38 wrote:I just made a period 23 oscillator: rle and yes, it is trivial, and YES, it is all strictly bound, you cannot take away any of the loaves. I imagine the listing as p23 is either a mistake in measurement or a typo, as it can't be a trivial p23 because 23 is a prime number. Seeing that the two component rotors have periods 3 and 8, we can multiply these to get the actual period of 24. This is how the trivial p34 exists but no trivial p38 exists: we can take a p2 and a p17 and do 2*17=34; however, 38/2 = 19 which is a prime number, and no p19 oscillators are known. Finding a p19 would be extra important for the fact that we could upgrade the statuses of two different periods at once. EDIT: I see you already corrected these things while I was writing this. My bad. further edit: But yes, you're right: no combination of individual oscillators can make those completely missing periods (except 38), so we can't generate trivial oscillators for them. The only option is to find a new oscillator where every rotor cell oscillates at the full period. Doing this is tricky because we don't know what such an oscillator *should* look like. A direct search for the desired period via a search program like WLS/JLS is the simplest route but it's extremely computationally expensive and we aren't at the point where such a strategy is viable. Other search methods like drifter searches and running collision searches are much faster because they limit the form of oscillator they look for, but they can only blindly stumble into one of these new periods effectively by luck. Sphenocorona Posts: 480 Joined: April 9th, 2013, 11:03 pm ### Re: Thread for your unsure discoveries lol, while you made that, I upgraded the sandwich shop to a new trivial oscillator I call 408408. It's called that because that's it's period (I think, either way, it takes a crap tonna time. lolz) here's the evolution of it: #CXRLE Pos=-18,-30 Gen=662x = 29, y = 32, rule = B3/S2321bo$20bobo$21bo2$19b5o$18bo5bob2o$17bob4obob2o$17bobo2bobo$14b2obob4obo$14b2obo5bo$18b5o2$20bo$19bobo$20bo2$18b5o$18bo4bo$21bo2bo$2b3o16b2obo2bo$o17b2o4bobobo$o4bo3bo3b2o2bo2bo3bo2bo$bo2bobobobo2bo4bobo2b2o$3bo2bobo2bobo5bo$4b3ob3o2bob2o$13bob2o$4b3ob3o3bo4bo$3bo2bobo2bo3b5o$4bobobobo$5bo3bo7bo$16bobo$17bo! #CXRLE Pos=-18,-30 Gen=755x = 29, y = 32, rule = B3/S2321bo$7b2o11bobo$7b2o12bo$4bo$4b7o8b5o$11bo6bo5bob2o$4b2o2bobobo4bob3o2bob2o$4bo3bo3bo4bo6bo$5bo3b2obob2obo2b3obo$6bo5bob2obo5bo$7bo4bo5b5o$8bobobo$9b2ob2o6bo$19bobo$20bo2$18b5o$18bo4bo$21bo2bo$2b3o16b2obo2bo$o17bo5bobobo$o4bo3bo3b2o2bobo4bo2bo$bo2bobobobo2bo3bo2bo2b2o$3bo2bobo2bobo2b4o$4b3ob3o2bob3o$13bo2bo$4b3ob3o3bo4bo$3bo2bobo2bo3b5o$4bobobobo$5bo3bo7bo$16bobo$17bo! #CXRLE Pos=-18,-43 Gen=794x = 29, y = 45, rule = B3/S235b3o2$7bo$7b2o$6bo$9bo$5bo3bo$10b2o$b2o2b3o5bo$b2o5bo4b2obo$8bo3bo3bo$8bobo5bo2$21bo$7b2o11bobo$7b2o12bo$4bo$4b7o8b5o$11bo6bo3bobob2o$4b2o3b2obo4bob3o2bob2o$4bo5bobo4bobo2bobo$5bo6bob2obo2b3obo$6bo5bob2obobo3bo$7bo4bo5b5o$8bobobo$9b2ob2o6bo$19bobo$20bo2$18b5o$18bo4bo$21b2obo$2b3o16b2obo2bo$o17bo5bobobo$o4bo3bo3b2o2bobo4bo2bo$bo2bobobobo2bo3bo2bo2b2o$3bo2bobo2bobo4b2o$4b3ob3o2bob2o$13bo2bo$4b3ob3o3bo4bo$3bo2bobo2bo3b5o$4bobobobo$5bo3bo7bo$16bobo$17bo!

and finally, the moment you've been waiting for, 408408:
#CXRLE Pos=-18,-42 Gen=811x = 41, y = 44, rule = B3/S235b2ob2o$6bobo$7bobo$7b2o$8bo$7bo$5b2o6bobo$b2ob2o5b2ob2o$b2o7bob2o$9bo4b2o$8b2o5bo$8bo$21bo9bo$7b2o11bobo7bobo$7b2o12bo8bobo3b2o$4bo22b2obob2o3bo$4b7o8b5o4bobo6bob2o$11bo6bo5bobo2bobob3obo2bo$4b2o3bo2bo4bob3o2bob2obobo4bobo$4bo3bobobo4bo6bo4bobo2b2o2b2o$5bo3bo2bob2obo2b3obo4bobo3bobo$6bo5bob2obo5bo6b2obobobo$7bo4bo5b5o9bobobo$8bobobo19bobo$9b2ob2o6bo12b2o$19bobo$20bo2$18b5o$18bo4bo$21bo2bo$3bo17b2obo2bo$2ob2o13bo5bobobo$4obo3bo3b2o2bobo4bo2bo$4bobobobo2bo3bo2bo2b2o$3bo2bobo2bobo2b4o$4b3ob3o2bob3o$13bo2bo$4b3ob3o3bo4bo$3bo2bobo2bo3b5o$4bobobobo$5bo3bo7bo$16bobo$17bo!

PS: because period 23 is still being searched for, i'm going to have to skip to adding a period 29 ;-;
x = 8, y = 10, rule = B3/S233b2o$3b2o$2b3o$4bobo$2obobobo$3bo2bo$2bobo2bo$2bo4bo$2bo4bo\$2bo!

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