They're not official, in the sense that Catagolue doesn't understand them yet.muzik wrote:Inflated censuses aren't correctly bolded.
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I assume that's the same reason why the soups returned on catagolue are still made of 1x1 blocks, rather than the specified inflation?
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Saka_Test has 131,717,653,784 objects from only 14 hauls and 166,452 soups.
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This rule has several xs0_0's, which is slightly concerning
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B3/S23/iiii8x32 has precisely 1 soup to its name, right now.
(Can we please stop doing this? B3/S23 isn't even explosive, and iiii8x32 isn't THAT slow to search. There's no reason to not submit at least 10k soups per haul here, and (as with explosive rules) I question whether having a census generated from 1 soup is even useful. Certainly it's questionable whether it's representative.)
(Can we please stop doing this? B3/S23 isn't even explosive, and iiii8x32 isn't THAT slow to search. There's no reason to not submit at least 10k soups per haul here, and (as with explosive rules) I question whether having a census generated from 1 soup is even useful. Certainly it's questionable whether it's representative.)
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My fault, meant to type b37s23.
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Another not-really oddity, all inflated symmetries with at least odd bilateral symmetry turn even bilateral.
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This soup claims to contain an xq32_4eveea44e but doesn't.
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 3678s34678
https://catagolue.appspot.com/hashsoup/ ... 3678s34678
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Either my computer is strange or there are little dashes on the left side of oscs like xp4_6f when viewed as "haul-thumbnails": https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3-n ... 11d8340887
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Looks fine to me:Saka wrote:Either my computer is strange or there are little dashes on the left side of oscs like xp4_6f when viewed as "haul-thumbnails": https://catagolue.appspot.com/haul/b3-n ... 11d8340887
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What I see:Apple Bottom wrote:
Looks fine to me:
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These are getting reported as yl1
Also, ov_p0
Also, is this what happens when hauls are just being commited?
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2ci3an4ai5acin6acn78/S2ci3ain4a5acin6-ek78
2o3b2o2bo4b2o$2b2ob2ob2o3bobo$b2obobob3o2b3o$6o2b4obobo$3ob5ob3o$2b2o
2b2ob2o2bo$2b3o2bo7bo$o2b2ob4ob2ob2o$3o2b3o2b2ob2o$ob2ob3o2bob2obo$o2b
obob2obo2bobo$2b2ob2o2b2obob2o$5b2o3b3ob2o$obo4bob3o3bo$b2obo6bob3o$bo
2bobo2b4obo!
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x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2ci3an4ai5acin6acn78/S2ci3ain4a5acin6-ek78
bobob3o2bo2b3o$o2b6o6bo$2o3bo2bob3o$b2o4b2o3b3o$ob2o2bobobob2obo$o6b2o
b3o$b2ob6obobo$b2o2bob3o2bo$bobobo2b4o$2ob2obob3o2b2o$2ob2obobo3b2o$6b
3o3b2o$2b2obo2bob3ob2o$2ob3ob5o2b2o$obobobo2b2o3b2o$o2b2o4b4o!
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That's normal- apgsearch looks at the population plot and doesn't take into consideration the overall period.Saka wrote:These are getting reported as yl1Code: Select all
x = 16, y = 16, rule = B2ci3an4ai5acin6acn78/S2ci3ain4a5acin6-ek78 2o3b2o2bo4b2o$2b2ob2ob2o3bobo$b2obobob3o2b3o$6o2b4obobo$3ob5ob3o$2b2o 2b2ob2o2bo$2b3o2bo7bo$o2b2ob4ob2ob2o$3o2b3o2b2ob2o$ob2ob3o2bob2obo$o2b obob2obo2bobo$2b2ob2o2b2obob2o$5b2o3b3ob2o$obo4bob3o3bo$b2obo6bob3o$bo 2bobo2b4obo!
Yes, I have seen this happen before and it is completely normal.Also, is this what happens when hauls are just being commited?
Not sure about the ov_p0
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This might've been something else, but Catagolue didn't know how to render it.Apple Bottom wrote:What kind of D4, I hear you ask? Judging by a sample sample soup it's actually C1 in disguise.
Another semi-oddity:
Pseudo-objects have object pages.
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Is this feature really necessary anymore, now that censuses with even longer names are now shortened with a ...?calcyman wrote:Before someone tries to claim this as an oddity, census keys with more than 25 characters in the right-hand column of https://catagolue.appspot.com/census are displayed without a timestamp. This is deliberate, so that they don't consume too much horizontal space and break the beautiful columnar layout (as they did before).
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Careful!! If it hasn't happened already, please, let's do something about it (potetially moving any earlier census to the correct name):
New hauls are submitted to the rules with the correct name, like census/b2cen3jkq4eiqrz5-jn6eik7e8s02n3anq4knqr5jy6ein7c
However, remember that with the Python version, they would get submitted to the S7-e and B7-c equivalent, always adding the minus when it's an equal number of neighbourhoods.
This will probably create, at some point, two parallel censuses for the same rule!!
My suggestion: moving all previous rules to their appropriate name. It should be feasible, right?
New hauls are submitted to the rules with the correct name, like census/b2cen3jkq4eiqrz5-jn6eik7e8s02n3anq4knqr5jy6ein7c
However, remember that with the Python version, they would get submitted to the S7-e and B7-c equivalent, always adding the minus when it's an equal number of neighbourhoods.
This will probably create, at some point, two parallel censuses for the same rule!!
My suggestion: moving all previous rules to their appropriate name. It should be feasible, right?
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There's indeed a number of rules which have more than one Catagolue census to their name. (My favorite is Conway Life itself, where some jokester submitted results to B37-ce/S23 and B3aijnqrkyce/S2ainkce3aijnqrkyce.)Rhombic wrote:However, remember that with the Python version, they would get submitted to the S7-e and B7-c equivalent, always adding the minus when it's an equal number of neighbourhoods.
This will probably create, at some point, two parallel censuses for the same rule!!
The list of rules investigated on Catagolue (on the wiki) groups these together, BTW. Not quite the same as having the respective censuses (censi?) merged, but at least this way you can easily see whether there are any duplicates, say if you're interested in a specific rule. Manually merging the textcensus'es if you intend to consume Catagolue's census data would be fairly trivial with this as well.
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I'm getting apgsearch to do B1-ce2-cekain3cekainyqjr4-cekainyqjrtwz5-cekainyqjr6-cekain7-ce/S1-ce2cekain3cekainyqjr4-cekainyqjrtwz5-cekainyqjr6-cekain7-ce
EDIT: Dangit got abloaded as B3/S23...
EDIT: Dangit got abloaded as B3/S23...
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Well yes, there's those, but in this case, the bulk of all the submitted Python versions uses the syntax where in the event of equality, the -(minus) is preferred. The current apgluxe writes it properly. In certain rules, this will cause rules to be separated into two pages, without any links to point that out. Ideally, they should be merged in the correct page.Apple Bottom wrote:There's indeed a number of rules which have more than one Catagolue census to their name. (My favorite is Conway Life itself, where some jokester submitted results to B37-ce/S23 and B3aijnqrkyce/S2ainkce3aijnqrkyce.)Rhombic wrote:However, remember that with the Python version, they would get submitted to the S7-e and B7-c equivalent, always adding the minus when it's an equal number of neighbourhoods.
This will probably create, at some point, two parallel censuses for the same rule!!
i.e, in case I didn't explain myself correctly, the B37-ce/S23 is just a joke with a few soups. However, maaaany nt rules aren't a joke and the main bulk of their finds is in an incorrect syntax page.
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Calcyman fixed this quickly, but apparently there is still a limit of 80 symmetry types, and b3s23 is not showing all symmetry types as a result again. (Other rules are unaffected; none even comes to close to 40 symmetry types, much less 80.)Apple Bottom wrote:Another oddity: lists of symmetries for a given rule are limited to 40 symmetries.
EDIT: also, Catagolue thinks that "Saka_x+1-2x_TEST" is a backup census of "Saka_x+1", generated on "2x_TEST".
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At that time I didnt understand the maths and stuff so I just messed around. I didnt know that putting a "-" would make Catagolue think it's a backup. I'll send you the script once I get on my computer.Apple Bottom wrote: EDIT: also, Catagolue thinks that "Saka_x+1-2x_TEST" is a backup census of "Saka_x+1", generated on "2x_TEST".
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On a similar note, the symmetry 32x32 should probably be renamed to something like WW_32x32_TEST or something, in the event we get actual support for 32x32 soups.Rhombic wrote:i.e, in case I didn't explain myself correctly, the B37-ce/S23 is just a joke with a few soups. However, maaaany nt rules aren't a joke and the main bulk of their finds is in an incorrect syntax page.
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Saka_Test has a 500 sever error as of me posting this.
Was it because of the '?' or the unicode snowman?
Was it because of the '?' or the unicode snowman?
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All patterns everywhere are showing as ?? for me.
EDIT: well that fixed itself pretty quickly.
EDIT: well that fixed itself pretty quickly.
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It was the unicode snowman. Everything works properly now.Saka wrote:Saka_Test has a 500 sever error as of me posting this.
Was it because of the '?' or the unicode snowman?
I was correcting the uncaught exception from Saka_Test, and made a mistake in the regex for recognising valid apgcodes.muzik wrote:All patterns everywhere are showing as ?? for me.
EDIT: well that fixed itself pretty quickly.
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