For discussion of specific patterns or specific families of patterns, both newly-discovered and well-known.

This is a thread for discussing guns.

There is a discussion about guns in the oscillator thread, and there isn't a gun thread. Here it is. I hope Sokwe does not mind.

KittyTac

Posts: 533
Joined: December 21st, 2017, 9:58 am

Large true period 52 gun, pseudo period 52 gun

`x = 578, y = 518, rule = 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Entity Valkyrie

Posts: 247
Joined: November 30th, 2017, 3:30 am

I think we can get a p33 gun from this. It's so close! We just need to suppress that spark at the end of the p33 engine.
`x = 47, y = 30, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo\$obo2bo2bo14bobo\$bo2bo2bo16bo\$4bo\$8bo20b3o\$8b2o14bo3b2obo\$3bo19bob3o4bo\$3bo7bo7bo3b2o5bobo\$4bo3bo18bo6b3o\$4b2o6bo2bo12b3o2bo4bo\$6b3ob2o4bo13b10o\$11bo9b2o12b2ob2o\$7b2o9bo18bobo\$13bo4b2ob3o12bob3o\$14bo2bo6b2o3bo7b4o\$21bo3bo3b4o7bo\$10bo7bo10b3obo\$30bobo\$20bo5bo3b2ob2o\$20bo4b2o3b10o\$21b3o7bo4bo2b3o\$33b3o6bo\$19b2o16bobo5b2o\$20bo16bo4b3obo\$17b3o18bob2o3bo\$17bo20b3o2\$45bo\$44bobo\$45bo!`

Edit: maybe this is already known. I recall there being several results like this where the output glider crashes into the p33 engines. I just don't remember any of them being this close. Here's a p33 shuttle based on the above almost-gun:
`x = 114, y = 97, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo\$obo2bo2bo14bobo\$bo2bo2bo16bo\$4bo\$8bo20b3o\$8b2o14bo3b2obo\$3bo19bob3o4bo\$3bo7bo7bo3b2o5bobo\$4bo3bo18bo6b3o\$4b2o6bo2bo12b3o2bo4bo\$6b3ob2o4bo13b10o\$11bo9b2o12b2ob2o\$7b2o9bo18bobo\$13bo4b2ob3o12bob3o\$14bo2bo6b2o3bo7b4o\$21bo3bo3b4o7bo\$10bo7bo10b3obo\$30bobo\$20bo5bo3b2ob2o\$20bo4b2o3b10o\$21b3o7bo4bo2b3o\$33b3o6bo2b2o\$19b2o16bobo3bob2o\$20bo16bo4bo\$17b3o18bob2o\$17bo13bo6b3o\$32bo\$30b3o8bo\$40b2o\$40bobo5\$38bobo\$39b2o\$39bo8b3o\$48bo\$49bo4\$48bo\$46bobo\$47b2o8b2o\$56b2o\$58bo4\$55bo\$56b2o\$55b2o8b2o\$65bobo\$65bo4\$64bo\$65bo\$63b3o8bo\$73b2o\$73bobo5\$71bobo\$72b2o\$72bo8b3o\$81bo\$73b3o6bo13bo\$72b2obo18b3o\$71bo4bo16bo\$67b2obo3bobo16b2o\$67b2o2bo6b3o\$72b3o2bo4bo7b3o\$74b10o3b2o4bo\$79b2ob2o3bo5bo\$81bobo\$80bob3o10bo7bo\$73bo7b4o3bo3bo\$73b4o7bo3b2o6bo2bo\$73b3obo12b3ob2o4bo\$74bobo18bo9b2o\$74b2ob2o12b2o9bo\$74b10o13bo4b2ob3o\$75bo4bo2b3o12bo2bo6b2o\$77b3o6bo18bo3bo\$81bobo5b2o3bo7bo7bo\$81bo4b3obo19bo\$82bob2o3bo14b2o\$82b3o20bo\$109bo\$89bo16bo2bo2bo\$88bobo14bo2bo2bobo\$89bo16b2o4bo!`

Edit 2: This is a lot harder than I thought. I've just been working by hand, so maybe an automated collision search will be more effective, but I'm going to take a break for now.
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Sokwe wrote:I think we can get a p33 gun from this. It's so close! We just need to suppress that spark at the end of the p33 engine.
`<snip rle>`

Edit: maybe this is already known. I recall there being several results like this where the output glider crashes into the p33 engines. I just don't remember any of them being this close. Here's a p33 shuttle based on the above almost-gun:
`<snip rle>`

The shuttle inspired me to have a go with JLS. Here's a completion of the p33 gun with a large p3 sparker welded to an alternate catalyst in place of the block:
`#C p33 true-period glider gunx = 75, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory.AB3.2A16.A\$A.AB.ABAB14.A.A\$.A4BAB15.BA2B5.2B\$2.B.3B.B15.2B3.6B\$5.5B7.2B6.2B.8B\$4.6B5.4B5.A11B\$3.7B4.5B4.ABA6B3AB\$3.4BABA5B3A3B2.2AB.5BA2BAB\$3.3BA2BAB3A7B3.B.5BA2B2A2B\$2.3BA4B2A7B2AB5.3B2AB2AB2A2B\$2.3BA3B2AB2A5B3AB7.BABA4BAB\$3.2B3AB3A14B4.2A11B\$4.14B3AB3A2B3.2ABA5BA3B\$7.B3A5B2AB2A3BA3B2.4B2A3BA2B\$8.B2A7B2A4BA3B.10BA2B\$9.7B3ABA2BA3B.2BA10B\$9.3B3A5BABA3B2.2BA3B2A4B\$11.5B4.6B.3BA5BAB2A\$11.4B5.18B2A\$11.2B7.7B3.BA4BABAB7.2A8.2A\$21.6B3.2B2AB2AB2A3B.BA2.A9.A\$19.4B.3BA4.2B2A2BA4B.B3A3.A6.A.2A\$19.2A4.ABAB4.BA2BA7B3.4A5.2A2.A\$20.A5.2A2B4.B3A5B.B2A7.2A3.A.A.2A4.2A\$17.3A7.4B3.8B4.A.2A4.A.3A.A.A.3A2.A\$17.A10.4B2.9B3.A.A.B7.A.A.B4.A.A.A.2A\$29.4B2.7B2.ABA.BAB2A2B6A2B2ABA.BA.2A.A\$30.4B2.2B2.B2A.2B.ABA5B.A2B.A2.2AB.2B.A\$31.4B5.4A2B2.B.B.A.2A4.2B3.2BA2.B3A\$32.2BAB5.B.AB6AB3.2A2.AB4AB2AB.A2.A\$33.2B2A4.3B4.B5A2B.2BA2.2B.B2AB.A.A\$34.2A2B4.2A.2A2BA.B.3B2.BAB.5B.A.A.2A\$35.4B3.BAB2A.2AB.BA.2A.BAB.2B3.3A.A2.A\$36.4B3.A.2A.B.B2A.2A2.A3.3ABA4.A.A\$37.4B4.B2AB.B2A2.2ABA.A2.A.A2.A.A.A\$38.4B5.A.A2.AB.A2.B.2A.A.A.2A.A\$39.4B4.A.4A3.3A3.2A.2A4.A\$40.3BA4.A10.2A7.2A.A\$41.3BA5.A7.A2.3A.2A.A.A\$42.3AB3.2A7.2A3.A.A.A!`

Edit: I would like to point out that there's already a pretty well used thread for posting reductions to known guns - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1657

It may be nice to have a separate thread for discussing other matters relating to guns, such as finding true period guns where they are not known yet, but I'm not sure if it's worth separating these areas of research.
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Wow! Incredible gun
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Wow.
Maybe the next gun will be found by catalyzing the excess wing in 132P37?
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Period 66 gun (not optimized):
`x = 152, y = 43, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo\$obo2bobo15bobo\$bo4bo17bo\$127bo16b2o4bo\$126bobo15bobo2bobo\$24bo102bo17bo4bo\$23bobo6b3o\$7bobo5b3o5b2o7bo2bo\$6bo2bob3o17bo2b2o91bo\$5bo4b2o7b2o9b2ob2ob2o79b3o6bobo\$5bo3b2ob2o5b3o9bobo4bo77bo2bo7b2o5b3o5bobo\$5b3ob3o18b2o84b2o2bo17b3obo2bo\$18b3ob3o5b2obo5bo74b2ob2ob2o9b2o7b2o4bo\$8b3o5b2ob2o3bo9b2o3bo73bo4bobo9b3o5b2ob2o3bo\$9b2o7b2o4bo14bo80b2o18b3ob3o\$16b3obo2bo6bo81bo5bob2o5b3ob3o\$12b3o5bobo7bo3b2o76bo3b2o9bo3b2ob2o5b3o\$30bo5bob2o72bo14bo4b2o7b2o\$38b2o81bo6bo2bob3o\$31bo4bobo8b2o8b2o57b2o3bo7bobo5b3o\$32b2ob2ob2o5bo2bo9bo53b2obo5bo\$27bo6b2o2bo6b3o3bo6bob2o50b2o\$19b2o4bobo6bo2bo10b4o5b2o2bo31b2o8b2o8bobo4bo\$20bo5b2o7b3o7b2o7b2o3bobob2o4b2o22bo9bo2bo5b2ob2ob2o\$17b3o26bob2o4bob3obobob3o2bo20b2obo6bo3b3o6bo2b2o6bo\$17bo28bobo9bobo6bobobob2o15bo2b2o5b4o10bo2bo6bobo4b2o\$44bobo2bob2o2b6o2b2obo2bob2obo6b2o4b2obobo3b2o7b2o7b3o7b2o5bo\$41b2o4bobo6bo3bo2b2o5bo11bo2b3obobob3obo4b2obo26b3o\$40b4o8bob2o11bo3b3o3b2obobobo6bobo9bobo28bo\$34bo8bob6o4b2o2bob4ob2o2bo2bo3bob2obo2bob2o2b6o2b2obo2bobo\$35b2o12b5o5bo6b2o2bobo8bo5b2o2bo3bo6bobo4b2o\$34b2o6b2ob2o2bo9bo8bobob2o4b3o3bo11b2obo8b4o\$43bob2ob2o3bob2o2bo7b3obo2bo3bo2bo2b2ob4obo2b2o4b6obo8bo\$43bob2o4b2ob2o2bo3b3obo4bobo5bobo2b2o6bo5b5o12b2o\$46b2o3b2o2b2obobo2bobo2bobobo5b2obobo8bo9bo2b2ob2o6b2o\$47bobo2bo2bo4b2obobob2obo6bo2bob3o7bo2b2obo3b2ob2obo\$47bob4o3b3o3b2ob2o4bo6bobo4bob3o3bo2b2ob2o4b2obo\$43bo4bo10b2o7b2obo7bobobo2bobo2bobob2o2b2o3b2o\$44bo5bo7bo2b3ob2obobo10bob2obobob2o4bo2bo2bobo\$42b3o4b2o7b2o3bobobo12bo4b2ob2o3b3o3b4obo\$80bob2o7b2o10bo4bo\$81bobob2ob3o2bo7bo5bo\$84bobobo3b2o7b2o4b3o!`

EDIT: Also not optimized:
`x = 116, y = 43, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo\$obo2bobo15bobo\$bo4bo17bo\$91bo16b2o4bo\$90bobo15bobo2bobo\$24bo66bo17bo4bo\$23bobo6b3o\$7bobo5b3o5b2o7bo2bo\$6bo2bob3o17bo2b2o55bo\$5bo4b2o7b2o9b2ob2ob2o43b3o6bobo\$5bo3b2ob2o5b3o9bobo4bo6b2o33bo2bo7b2o5b3o5bobo\$5b3ob3o18b2o13bobo5b2o25b2o2bo17b3obo2bo\$18b3ob3o5b2obo5bo7bo5bobo22b2ob2ob2o9b2o7b2o4bo\$8b3o5b2ob2o3bo9b2o3bo6bob2o5bo13b2o6bo4bobo9b3o5b2ob2o3bo\$9b2o7b2o4bo14bo6bobo12b2o5bobo13b2o18b3ob3o\$16b3obo2bo6bo14b2o2bob3obo4bobo5bo7bo5bob2o5b3ob3o\$12b3o5bobo7bo3b2o8bo3bo3bo3bo3bo5b2obo6bo3b2o9bo3b2ob2o5b3o\$30bo5bob2o5b3o5bobo11bobo6bo14bo4b2o7b2o\$38b2o8b6o6bob3obo2b2o14bo6bo2bob3o\$31bo4bobo8bo5bo5bo3bo3bo3bo8b2o3bo7bobo5b3o\$32b2ob2ob2o5bo2b5ob3o3bobo5b3o5b2obo5bo\$27bo6b2o2bo6b3o6b3o5b6o8b2o\$19b2o4bobo6bo2bo10b2o4bo7bo5bo8bobo4bo\$20bo5b2o7b3o7b2obo3bo6b3ob5o2bo5b2ob2ob2o\$17b3o26bo2b2o2b4o2b3o6b3o6bo2b2o6bo\$17bo28bo2bo3bo7bo4b2o10bo2bo6bobo4b2o\$44bob2obo2bo10bo3bob2o7b3o7b2o5bo\$41b2o4b2o10b4o2b2o2bo26b3o\$40b4o3b2ob2o2bo7bo3bo2bo28bo\$34bo8bob2o6bobo7bo2bob2obo\$35b2o12b3obo2bo10b2o4b2o\$34b2o6b2ob2o3bo3b2o5bo2b2ob2o3b4o\$43bob2ob2ob3o6bobo6b2obo8bo\$43bob2o4bobo5bo2bob3o12b2o\$46bo4b2o7b2o3bo3b2ob2o6b2o\$45bobo14b3ob2ob2obo\$46bo15bobo4b2obo\$43bo19b2o4bo\$44bo23bobo\$42b3o24bo\$72bo\$71bo\$71b3o!`
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wildmyron wrote:The shuttle inspired me to have a go with JLS. Here's a completion of the p33 gun with a large p3 sparker welded to an alternate catalyst in place of the block

Excellent! This is now the lowest known odd period for a gun. It also means that we have every gun period that is a multiple of 11 (we already had every multiple of 10 and 12).

wildmyron wrote:I would like to point out that there's already a pretty well used thread for posting reductions to known guns - viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1657

I think it's worthwhile to separate true-period guns from pseudo-period guns. I don't know if it's worthwhile to separate true-period guns from oscillators. That's why I've been putting my true-period gun-related posts in the oscillator discussion thread. If we continue to use this gun thread, I would prefer that we keep it to true-period discussions only. This probably means that the thread won't get much use, since guns are one of the harder things to find in Life.

The thread doesn't necessarily have to be restricted to unknown gun periods. This would still be the appropriate place for interesting new gun mechanisms at known periods (e.g. Nathaniel's recent gliderless LWSS gun).

There is also a separate thread for synthesisable spaceship guns. I think we should keep it that way and not post such guns in this thread.

Bullet51 wrote:Maybe the next gun will be found by catalyzing the excess wing in 132P37?

That's a possibility. There are also the two types of p31 oscillators, which are each quite sparky. The p42 pre-pulsar hassler might also be a good place to start.
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I recently found this oscillator in jslife. It is a period 7 pipsquirter:
`x = 33, y = 17, rule = B3/S2319b2o3b2o\$7b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo\$7bobo3bobo3bobo4bo\$5b2o2b4o2bob2obob4obo3b2o\$4bo2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo\$4bobo2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo\$3b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo\$5bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo\$2o3bob2o3b2o3b3o7b3o\$5bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo\$3b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo\$4bobo2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo\$4bo2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo\$5b2o2b4o2bob2obob4obo3b2o\$7bobo3bobo3bobo4bo\$7b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo\$19b2o3b2o!`

I was looking for a use, until I found this:
`x = 155, y = 175, rule = B3/S23113b2o\$112bobo\$106b2o4bo\$104bo2bo2b2ob4o\$104b2obobobobo2bo\$107bobobobo\$107bobob2o\$108bo2\$121b2o\$112b2o7bo\$112b2o5bobo\$119b2o\$44b2o\$44bobo90b2o\$46bo4b2o77bo5bo\$42b4ob2o2bo2bo48bo25bo3b2o2bo\$42bo2bobobobob2o47bo26bo4bo3bo\$45bobobobo50b3o10b3o12bobo3bo2bo\$46b2obobo57b2o4bo19b4o\$50bo59bo5bo\$107b3o25b4o\$36b2o7b3o59bo22bobo3bo2bo\$37bo6bo3bo80bo4bo3bo\$37bobo4bo3bo80bo3b2o2bo\$38b2o2b2o5b2o79bo5bo\$41bo4bo4bo85b2o\$41bo3bobo3bo\$41bo4bob2obo78bo\$42b3o83bo2b2o\$89bo38b2o\$88bo11b2o\$48b2o38b3o11bo5bo\$48bo52bo2b2o3bo\$49b3o48bo3bo4bo24b2o\$51bo47bo2bo3bobo25bobo\$36b2o62b4o32bo\$35bobo98b2o\$37bo26bo35b4o\$62bobo34bo2bo3bobo\$63b2o35bo3bo4bo\$101bo2b2o3bo\$102bo5bo\$100b2o11bo\$75bo7b2o28b2o\$74bo7bobo27bobo\$74b3o5bo\$81b2o24b2o\$106bo2b2o26bo\$81b4o21b2ob2o24bo2bo\$22b2o57bo2bo22b3o29bo\$21bobo41bob2o14bo19b2o25b2o2bo4bo\$23bo39b3ob2o9bo5b3o15bobo25b2o2bo2b4o\$62bo13bobo7bo15bo31bo5bo\$63b3ob2o8b2o22b2o32b5o\$65bobo8b2o41b2o\$65bobo8b2o41bobo13b5o\$3b2o61bo9b2o41bo14bo5bo\$4bo125b2o2bo2b4o\$2bo127b2o2bo4bo\$2b5o14b2o85bo30bo\$7bo13bo85bobo25bo2bo\$4b3o12bobo86bob3o2b2o20bo\$3bo9b2o4b2o86b2ob2o3b2o14bo\$3b4o6b3o90bo2bo20bobo\$b2o3bo3b2o2bo92b4o19bo2bo\$o2b3o4b2o52b2ob2obo7bo9b2o41b2o\$2obo59b2o2b2ob2o4b2ob2o7bo18b4o14b2o\$3bo67bo3b2ob3o5bobo17bo2bo16b2o\$3b2o58b2o10b5o6b2o19b2ob2o3b2o8bo9b2o\$63b2o5b2o4b3o29bob3o2b2o18bobo\$70b2o5bo29bobo27bo\$11b2o50bo44bo28b2o\$12bo50b2ob2o2b2o\$9b3o52bob2ob2o23bo2bo2bo14bo\$9bo81bo2b7o13bobo\$91b3o19bo2bo\$27b2o66b2obo15b2o\$27bobo63b3obobo\$27bo52b2o10bo3bo2bo20b3o\$67b2o22bob2ob2ob2o9b2o8bo\$66bo2bo21bobo3bobo9bobo9bo\$69bo20b2o2b4obo9bo\$69bo16bo5bobobo2b2o7b2o\$59b2o5b2obo14b4o4bobo3bo\$52bo5bo7b2o15bo3bo3b2obo3bo53bo\$51bo3b2o2bo23bo2bo6bob2obob2o50b2o\$51bo4bo3bo23b3o6bo2b3o2bo42b2o\$52bobo3bo2bo5b2o23b2obo3bo44b2ob3o2bobo\$57b4o6b2o23bo2b4o49bo5bo\$94bo54b5o\$41b2o14b4o12b2o17bo2b4o\$41bobo8bobo3bo2bo12bo17b2obo2bo50b5o\$41bo9bo4bo3bo13bob2o15bo40b3o11bo5bo\$51bo3b2o2bo15bo17bobo15b2o3b2o16bo9b2ob3o2bobo\$52bo5bo20bo14b2o3b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo18bo8b2o\$59b2o16bo2bo18bobo3bobo3bobo4bo33b2o\$78b3o16b2o2b4o2bob2obob4obo3b2o27bo\$52bo25b3o15bo2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo\$51bobo8bo2bo2bo10bo16bobo2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo21bo\$51bo2bo7b7o2bo7bo15b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo21bobo\$52b2o15b3o7bo2bo14bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo23bo2bo\$64bob2o12bo2bo8b2o3bob2o3b2o3b3o7b3o23b2o\$45b2o16bobob3o10bo3bo12bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo\$46b2o8b2o5bo2bo3bo7b3o3bo10b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo15bo\$45bo10bobo3b2ob2ob2obo11b2o11bobo2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo14b2o9b2o\$58bo4bobo3bobo4bo3b3o13bo2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo13bobo9bobo\$58b2o3bob4o2b2o3bobob3o14b2o2b4o2bob2obob4obo3b2o26bo\$16bo45b2o2bobobo28bobo3bobo3bobo4bo32b2o\$15bo2bo45bo3bobo28b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo\$14bo49bo3bob2o39b2o3b2o\$14bo4bo2b2o37b2obob2obo\$13b4o2bo2b2o37bo2b3o2bo\$13bo5bo43bo3bob2o\$14b5o45b4o2bo26bo\$68bo26bobo\$14b5o45b4o2bo17b2o6b2o\$13bo5bo11b2o31bo2bob2o7b3o7bo\$13b4o2bo2b2o8b2o35bo8b2o6bobo35bo\$14bo4bo2b2o7bo13b2o3b2o15bobo9bobo4b2o36b2o\$14bo31bo2bo2bob2ob2o3b2o3b2o12bo41bobo\$15bo2bo25bo4bobo3bobo3bobo18b2o\$16bo21b2o3bob4obob2obo2b4o2b2o14bobo\$22bo16bo3bo4bobobobobobo3b2o2bo13b2o\$21bobo15bob2ob2o2bobo5bo4bo2bobo\$20bo2bo16bobob2obo2b2o4b2o4b3ob2o\$21b2o19bo4bobo2bo5bobo4bo\$41b3o7b3o3b2o3b2obo3b2o\$42bo4bobo2bo5bobo4bo45bo\$17b2o9b3o9bobob2obo2b2o4b2o4b3ob2o41bobo\$16bobo9bo10bob2ob2o2bobo5bo4bo2bobo43b2o\$16bo12bo9bo3bo4bobobobobobo3b2o2bo18b2o34b2o\$15b2o21b2o3bob4obob2obo2b4o2b2o19b2o33bobo\$44bo4bobo3bobo3bobo44b2o10bo\$46bo2bo2bob2ob2o3b2o6bobo35b2o2b2o5b2obo2bo\$45b2o3b2o18b2o22b2o16bobo3bo3b4o\$71bo21bobo17bo4b2obo\$93bo24bo3b4o\$84bob2o4b2obo2bo11b2o7b2o5bo\$83b5o4bo2b4o12bo8bobob2o2bo\$83b4o7bo13b3o9bo4bob2o\$73b2o17bo2b4o9bo9b2obobobo\$74bo9b3o5b2obo3bo19bobobobo\$42b3o29bobo7b3o6bo2b3o2bo17bobob2ob2o\$42bo32b2o8bo7bob2obob2o15b2o2b3o2bo\$43bo47b2obo3bo19bobo5bo\$92bobo3bo19bob5ob2o\$92bobobo2b2o18bo4bobo\$56bobo31b2o2b4obo20b3o3bo\$56b2o33bobo3bobo22bob2o\$57bo13b2o18bob2ob2ob2o17b3o\$72bo19bo3bo2bo18bo2b7o\$72bobo18b3obobo21bo2bo2bo\$43b2o28b3ob2o16b2obo\$43bobo29b2ob2o11b3o\$45bo10b2o18bo2bo11bo2b7o\$40bo2bob2o5b2o2b2o17b2ob3o5b2o6bo2bo2bo\$40b4o2bo4bobo21b2o3bo5bobo\$44b2o6bo24bob4o5bo\$40b4o2bo30bo3bo6b2o\$39bo3bob2o7b2o23b3o\$37bo2bo4bo8bo\$37b2obob2obo9b3o15b2o\$40bo3bob2o9bo14bobo\$40b2o2bobo25bo\$38b2o2bobobo24b2o\$39bobo2bo2b2o\$39bo5bobo\$38b2ob5obo\$39bo6bo\$39bobo2b2o\$40b4o48bo\$45b3o45b2o\$38b7o2bo44b2o\$38bo2bo2bo!`

It is a true period 56 gun based on an open track (On LifeWiki, the page Quetzal stated that it has not been improved upon by using an open track.)

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wildmyron wrote:
Sokwe wrote:I think we can get a p33 gun from this. It's so close! We just need to suppress that spark at the end of the p33 engine.
`<snip rle>`

Edit: maybe this is already known. I recall there being several results like this where the output glider crashes into the p33 engines. I just don't remember any of them being this close. Here's a p33 shuttle based on the above almost-gun:
`<snip rle>`

The shuttle inspired me to have a go with JLS. Here's a completion of the p33 gun with a large p3 sparker welded to an alternate catalyst in place of the block:
`#C p33 true-period glider gunx = 75, y = 40, rule = LifeHistory.AB3.2A16.A\$A.AB.ABAB14.A.A\$.A4BAB15.BA2B5.2B\$2.B.3B.B15.2B3.6B\$5.5B7.2B6.2B.8B\$4.6B5.4B5.A11B\$3.7B4.5B4.ABA6B3AB\$3.4BABA5B3A3B2.2AB.5BA2BAB\$3.3BA2BAB3A7B3.B.5BA2B2A2B\$2.3BA4B2A7B2AB5.3B2AB2AB2A2B\$2.3BA3B2AB2A5B3AB7.BABA4BAB\$3.2B3AB3A14B4.2A11B\$4.14B3AB3A2B3.2ABA5BA3B\$7.B3A5B2AB2A3BA3B2.4B2A3BA2B\$8.B2A7B2A4BA3B.10BA2B\$9.7B3ABA2BA3B.2BA10B\$9.3B3A5BABA3B2.2BA3B2A4B\$11.5B4.6B.3BA5BAB2A\$11.4B5.18B2A\$11.2B7.7B3.BA4BABAB7.2A8.2A\$21.6B3.2B2AB2AB2A3B.BA2.A9.A\$19.4B.3BA4.2B2A2BA4B.B3A3.A6.A.2A\$19.2A4.ABAB4.BA2BA7B3.4A5.2A2.A\$20.A5.2A2B4.B3A5B.B2A7.2A3.A.A.2A4.2A\$17.3A7.4B3.8B4.A.2A4.A.3A.A.A.3A2.A\$17.A10.4B2.9B3.A.A.B7.A.A.B4.A.A.A.2A\$29.4B2.7B2.ABA.BAB2A2B6A2B2ABA.BA.2A.A\$30.4B2.2B2.B2A.2B.ABA5B.A2B.A2.2AB.2B.A\$31.4B5.4A2B2.B.B.A.2A4.2B3.2BA2.B3A\$32.2BAB5.B.AB6AB3.2A2.AB4AB2AB.A2.A\$33.2B2A4.3B4.B5A2B.2BA2.2B.B2AB.A.A\$34.2A2B4.2A.2A2BA.B.3B2.BAB.5B.A.A.2A\$35.4B3.BAB2A.2AB.BA.2A.BAB.2B3.3A.A2.A\$36.4B3.A.2A.B.B2A.2A2.A3.3ABA4.A.A\$37.4B4.B2AB.B2A2.2ABA.A2.A.A2.A.A.A\$38.4B5.A.A2.AB.A2.B.2A.A.A.2A.A\$39.4B4.A.4A3.3A3.2A.2A4.A\$40.3BA4.A10.2A7.2A.A\$41.3BA5.A7.A2.3A.2A.A.A\$42.3AB3.2A7.2A3.A.A.A!`

Edit: I would like to point out that there's already a pretty well used thread for posting reductions to known guns - http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1657

It may be nice to have a separate thread for discussing other matters relating to guns, such as finding true period guns where they are not known yet, but I'm not sure if it's worth separating these areas of research.

Period-33 glider gun

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Entity Valkyrie wrote:It is a true period 56 gun based on an open track (On LifeWiki, the page Quetzal stated that it has not been improved upon by using an open track.)

The wiki is a bit outdated. Chris Cain posted an improved open-track p56 gun here. He also posted improved p54 and p55 guns. Luka Okanishi posted an open-track p57 gun here.
-Matthias Merzenich
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I think this is the minimum possible bounding box for the p33 gun using wildmyron's exact p3 reaction:
`x = 57, y = 40, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo\$obo2bobo15bobo\$bo4bo17bo3\$24bo\$23bobo6b3o\$7bobo5b3o5b2o7bo2bo\$6bo2bob3o17bo2b2o\$5bo4b2o7b2o9b2ob2ob2o\$5bo3b2ob2o5b3o9bobo4bo6b2o\$5b3ob3o18b2o13bobo5b2o\$18b3ob3o5b2obo5bo7bo5bobo\$8b3o5b2ob2o3bo9b2o3bo6bob2o5bo\$9b2o7b2o4bo14bo6bobo\$16b3obo2bo6bo14b2o2bob3obo\$12b3o5bobo7bo3b2o8bo3bo3bo3bo\$30bo5bob2o5b3o5bobo\$38b2o8b6o\$31bo4bobo8bo5bo\$32b2ob2ob2o5bo2b5ob3o\$27bo6b2o2bo6b3o6b3o\$19b2o4bobo6bo2bo10b2o4bo\$20bo5b2o7b3o7b2obo3bo\$17b3o26bo2b2o2b4o\$17bo28bo2bo3bo\$44bob2obo2bo\$41b2o4b2o\$40b4o3b2ob2o2bo\$34bo8bob2o6bobo\$35b2o12b3obo2bo\$34b2o6b2ob2o3bo3b2o\$43bob2ob2ob3o\$43bob2o4bobo\$46bo4b2o\$45bobo\$46bo\$43bo\$44bo\$42b3o!`
-Matthias Merzenich
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Neither of these two guns break any records:
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Entity Valkyrie

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If we had the perfect p27 spark we could make a p27 gun:
`x = 24, y = 18, rule = B3/S234b2o\$5bo\$5bob2o\$6bo3bo\$12bo\$7bo3bobo\$b2o8b2o7bobo\$bobo3bo4bo8bo\$3bo3b2o\$3b3o13b2o\$b2o3bo8bo4bo\$o2b4o8b2o\$2obo10bobo3bo\$3bob2o8bo\$3bobo11bo3bo\$2b2obobo11b2obo\$6b2o14bo\$22b2o!`

It seems unlikely, but it's something to keep in mind.
-Matthias Merzenich
Sokwe
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Sokwe wrote:If we had the perfect p27 spark we could make a p27 gun:
`x = 24, y = 18, rule = B3/S234b2o\$5bo\$5bob2o\$6bo3bo\$12bo\$7bo3bobo\$b2o8b2o7bobo\$bobo3bo4bo8bo\$3bo3b2o\$3b3o13b2o\$b2o3bo8bo4bo\$o2b4o8b2o\$2obo10bobo3bo\$3bob2o8bo\$3bobo11bo3bo\$2b2obobo11b2obo\$6b2o14bo\$22b2o!`

It seems unlikely, but it's something to keep in mind.

While a perfect p27 sparker would make that excellent for the gun collection, simply having an (n)G -> (n+1)G reaction that works at p27 might do the trick, because your p27-compatible bouncer is now a thing.

EDIT: The new p4 bumper style can replace a fountain in the p56 to save a column:

`x = 118, y = 63, rule = LifeHistory77.2A\$14.2A61.3B\$12.2B2AB58.A3BA\$12.4B13.A45.A4BA\$12.4B11.3A46.BABA.A8.A\$13.2A2B9.A25.2A24.A.ABAB4.3A\$13.2ABA9.2A23.A.A25.A4BA2.A\$14.2BAB5.5B17.2A4.A28.A3BA2.2A\$14.2BAB3.BA3B17.A2.A2.2A.4A24.3B2.4B\$13.A2BA4BABA3B16.2A.A.A.A.A2.A25.2A.BAB\$14.2A2.2BA2BA4B18.A.ABABAB28.B.ABAB\$18.3B2A4B19.A.AB2AB30.2B2AB.2A\$20.6B21.AB.2B30.7B2A\$20.5B25.3B30.7B\$19.7B24.4B6.2A9.2A5.2A3.7B\$18.4B.4B21.3B2AB6.A11.A5.2A2B.3B3A\$17.4B3.4B20.3B2AB3.BA.A11.A.AB3.7BA3B\$16.4B5.4B17.10B.B2A13.2AB.8B2.A3B\$2A13.4B7.4B15.13B17.2B2A5B4.4B\$.A12.4B9.4B13.14B17.BABA5B5.4B\$.A.AB2.B5.4B11.4B11.15B15.2B.BA7B5.4B\$2.2AB.3B3.4B13.4B9.4B2.8B16.BAB3.8B5.4B19.AB\$4.6B.A3B15.4B7.4B5.6B16.3A3B.B3.4B5.4B17.B2A\$4.7BABA17.4B5.4B4.9B14.AB3AB7.4B5.4B16.2ABAB\$4.2B2A3B2A19.4B3.4B5.2A4.4B12.A.2BAB9.4B5.4B14.A2B3A\$5.A2BA3B21.4B.4B7.A5.4B9.BA2B.A12.4B5.4B12.A.ABAB\$5.BABA4B21.2BA4B5.3A7.4B7.B3ABA14.4B5.4B9.BABA.A\$6.BA6B21.ABA2B6.A10.4B6.2B3A16.4B5.4B7.3A2BA\$6.3B2.4B20.3BA2B17.4B7.BAB17.4B5.4B3.B.2BAB2A\$6.3B3.4B17.A5BA2B17.4B6.2B19.4B5.8B3.2AB\$5.4B4.4B12.2A2.6BA3B17.B3A27.4B5.7BAB.BA\$5.2B2A5.4B10.B2A2BABABA4B19.A3B27.4B5.5BABAB\$6.2AB6.4B10.4B3.5B21.A3B27.4B4.5B2A2B\$2.2A.ABA8.4B9.4B5.5B20.4B27.4B2.8B.B2A\$.A.AB2A10.4B7.B3A9.2A21.4B27.11B3.BA.A\$.A3.B.3A8.4B6.2B2A9.A23.4B27.6B.2B2A5.A\$2.4A.3AB8.4B4.2A2B11.3A.A19.4B19.A7.4B4.2A5.2A\$6.2ABA10.4B3.3AB13.A.3A12.B.3B.4B16.3A6.6B\$.A.3A.4B10.4B2.BABAB17.A10.18B8.A8.8B\$.2A2.A2B.A12.4B3.2A5.A11.2A3.B5.2B2A16B7.2A6.9BA\$4.A2.3A13.4B7.3A11.B2AB2ABA3.2B2A16B2.B.5B5.4B.3BABAB\$.2A.3A.A15.4B5.A16.2ABA2BAB.20B.6B6.4B.5B2A2B\$.A.A3.2A16.4B4.2A15.A5BA30B4.A3B3.9B\$3.A.A2B10.2A6.9B14.3BABA2B2A5B.2B2.22B2AB4.10B\$2.A.2A13.A7.6B14.4B2ABA3BA5B8.18BABA4.12B\$2.A3.2A11.A.2A5.6B3.B2.2B2.8BABABABA4B11.12B2A5B3.9B.4B\$3.3A.AB11.A2.A4.27B3A5B12.10BA3BA8B2A3B4.4B\$5.A.B2.A10.2AB3.7B3A17B.7B13.14BA7BA2BA2B5.4B\$5.A.4A11.10BA4BA7BABA15B10.8B2.7B2A6B2A2B7.4B\$6.A16.10BA3BA7B2A17B9.2A3.B5.6BA10B9.4B\$8.A15.9B4A9BA6B2.8B11.A7.7BA13B8.4B\$7.2A15.17B.B.2B11.6B8.3A6.A.2AB2.6B.2B5.2A9.4B\$25.15B4.3B10.5B9.A6.3AB2AB2.6B8.A11.4B\$25.15B5.A2B.2A7.4B15.A4.B5.5B9.3A9.3BA\$26.13B5.A.A2B.A7.4B16.3A.2A5.4B11.A10.ABA\$28.13B2.A.AB2.A9.B.B2A16.A.A4.5B24.2A\$27.8B4.2A.A.A3.A12.BA.A15.A.A4.2A28.B\$27.6B6.2ABA2.4A.A13.A16.A6.A\$27.5B8.B2.A.A3.A.A12.2A19.3A\$27.B.B9.2A.2A2.A2.A.A33.A\$28.3B9.A.A2.2A3.A\$27.B2AB9.A.A\$28.2A11.A!`
Tanner Jacobi

Kazyan

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[quote=kazyan]EDIT: The new p4 bumper style can replace a fountain in the p56 to save a column:

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Hey! That's pseudo!

My gun was a true period one.

EDIT: p59

`x = 327, y = 227, rule = 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Last edited by Entity Valkyrie on October 7th, 2018, 1:09 am, edited 2 times in total.

Entity Valkyrie

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Bullet51 wrote:Maybe the next gun will be found by catalyzing the excess wing in 132P37?

Sokwe wrote:That's a possibility. There are also the two types of p31 oscillators, which are each quite sparky. The p42 pre-pulsar hassler might also be a good place to start.

They all sound quite possible. It's easy to use a spark to extract a glider from the p42 pre-pulsar hassler:

`x = 71, y = 26, rule = B3/S2340bo2\$31b3o3b3o\$31bobo3bobo\$33b2ob2o\$29bo3b2ob2o3bo\$33b2ob2o\$28bo5bobo5bo\$29bob2o5b2obo2\$8b2o6bo16b2ob2o16bo6b2o\$8bo6bobo3b3o9b2ob2o9b3o3bobo6bo\$2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo21bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o\$o4bobo12bo3bo21bo3bo12bobo4bo\$b3obo12b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o12bob3o\$3bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo15bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo\$4b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo15bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o\$10bob2o3bo4bo3bo17bo3bo4bo3b2obo\$5bo3bo4bo3b2obo27bob2o3bo4bo3bo\$4bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o15b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo\$4bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo13bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo\$5b2o5b2o12bob3o9b3obo12b2o5b2o\$7bo3bo12bobo4bo7bo4bobo12bo3bo\$7bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo\$8b3o3bobo6bo23bo6bobo3b3o\$15bo6b2o23b2o6bo!`

However, I don't think any known p21 or p42 oscillators are able to produce that spark and not get in the way of the output glider stream.

Goldtiger997

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Goldtiger997 wrote: the p42 pre-pulsar hassler:

`x = 71, y = 26, rule = B3/S2340bo2\$31b3o3b3o\$31bobo3bobo\$33b2ob2o\$29bo3b2ob2o3bo\$33b2ob2o\$28bo5bobo5bo\$29bob2o5b2obo2\$8b2o6bo16b2ob2o16bo6b2o\$8bo6bobo3b3o9b2ob2o9b3o3bobo6bo\$2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo21bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o\$o4bobo12bo3bo21bo3bo12bobo4bo\$b3obo12b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o12bob3o\$3bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo15bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo\$4b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo15bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o\$10bob2o3bo4bo3bo17bo3bo4bo3b2obo\$5bo3bo4bo3b2obo27bob2o3bo4bo3bo\$4bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o15b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo\$4bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo13bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo\$5b2o5b2o12bob3o9b3obo12b2o5b2o\$7bo3bo12bobo4bo7bo4bobo12bo3bo\$7bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo\$8b3o3bobo6bo23bo6bobo3b3o\$15bo6b2o23b2o6bo!`

Gosh! When was this discovered? It's not even a pre-pulsar hassler; it's literally a pulsar hassler.
What do you do with ill crystallographers? Take them to the mono-clinic!

calcyman

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calcyman wrote:
Goldtiger997 wrote:the p42 pre-pulsar hassler

This is why we need to update the oscillator collection. Nobody can remember what's been discovered. The biggest difficulty is giving proper attribution. What we really need is a database of pattern information and a Golly lua script to identify the patterns.

Goldtiger997 wrote:I don't think any known p21 or p42 oscillators are able to produce that spark and not get in the way of the output glider stream.

Indeed, we don't have many p21 or p42 oscillators to work with. We do however have some new p7 sparkers (here, here, and here).

Here's a frustrating non-result:
`x = 71, y = 52, rule = B3/S2329b2o\$28bobo\$28bo\$27b2o2\$27b4o\$23bo3bo2bo\$22bobo4bo\$21bo3bo4b3o\$21bo3bo6bo\$21bo3bo\$22bobo\$23bo2\$18bo\$17bobo11bo\$18bo11bobo\$31bo2\$26bo\$25bobo\$24bo3bo\$24bo3bo\$24bo3bo\$19b2o4bobo\$19bo2bo3bo\$20b3o\$17b3o\$16bo4b2o\$17b3obo\$19bobo\$20bo3\$31b3o3b3o\$31bobo3bobo\$8b2o6bo14b3o3b3o14bo6b2o\$8bo6bobo35bobo6bo\$2o3b2obo7bo7b3o17b3o7bo7bob2o3b2o\$o4bobo9b2obob4obo15bob4obob2o9bobo4bo\$b3obo11b4obo4bo15bo4bob4o11bob3o\$3bob2o10b4o2bo2bo17bo2bo2b4o10b2obo\$22bo25bo\$13bo4bobo29bobo4bo\$11bobo4bo33bo4bobo\$9bo51bo\$5bo2bo2b4o10b2obo13bob2o10b4o2bo2bo\$4bo4bob4o11bob3o9b3obo11b4obo4bo\$4bob4obob2o9bobo4bo7bo4bobo9b2obob4obo\$5b3o7bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo7b3o\$14bobo6bo23bo6bobo\$15bo6b2o23b2o6bo!`

Somebody should try running a gencols search.
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Sokwe wrote:
calcyman wrote:
Goldtiger997 wrote:the p42 pre-pulsar hassler

This is why we need to update the oscillator collection. Nobody can remember what's been discovered. The biggest difficulty is giving proper attribution. What we really need is a database of pattern information and a Golly lua script to identify the patterns.

Goldtiger997 wrote:I don't think any known p21 or p42 oscillators are able to produce that spark and not get in the way of the output glider stream.

Indeed, we don't have many p21 or p42 oscillators to work with. We do however have some new p7 sparkers (here, here, and here).

Here's a frustrating non-result:
`x = 71, y = 52, rule = B3/S2329b2o\$28bobo\$28bo\$27b2o2\$27b4o\$23bo3bo2bo\$22bobo4bo\$21bo3bo4b3o\$21bo3bo6bo\$21bo3bo\$22bobo\$23bo2\$18bo\$17bobo11bo\$18bo11bobo\$31bo2\$26bo\$25bobo\$24bo3bo\$24bo3bo\$24bo3bo\$19b2o4bobo\$19bo2bo3bo\$20b3o\$17b3o\$16bo4b2o\$17b3obo\$19bobo\$20bo3\$31b3o3b3o\$31bobo3bobo\$8b2o6bo14b3o3b3o14bo6b2o\$8bo6bobo35bobo6bo\$2o3b2obo7bo7b3o17b3o7bo7bob2o3b2o\$o4bobo9b2obob4obo15bob4obob2o9bobo4bo\$b3obo11b4obo4bo15bo4bob4o11bob3o\$3bob2o10b4o2bo2bo17bo2bo2b4o10b2obo\$22bo25bo\$13bo4bobo29bobo4bo\$11bobo4bo33bo4bobo\$9bo51bo\$5bo2bo2b4o10b2obo13bob2o10b4o2bo2bo\$4bo4bob4o11bob3o9b3obo11b4obo4bo\$4bob4obob2o9bobo4bo7bo4bobo9b2obob4obo\$5b3o7bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo7b3o\$14bobo6bo23bo6bobo\$15bo6b2o23b2o6bo!`

Somebody should try running a gencols search.

Suicidal P42 gun:

`x = 76, y = 49, rule = B3/S2320bo6b2o23b2o6bo\$13b3o3bobo6bo23bo6bobo3b3o\$12bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo\$12bo3bo12bobo4bo7bo4bobo12bo3bo\$10b2o5b2o12bob3o9b3obo12b2o5b2o\$9bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo13bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo\$9bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o15b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo\$10bo3bo4bo3b2obo27bob2o3bo4bo3bo\$15bob2o3bo4bo3bo17bo3bo4bo3b2obo\$9b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo15bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o\$8bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo15bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo\$6b3obo12b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o12bob3o\$5bo4bobo12bo3bo21bo3bo12bobo4bo\$5b2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo21bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o\$13bo6bobo3b3o9b2ob2o9b3o3bobo6bo\$13b2o6bo16b2ob2o16bo6b2o2\$34bob2o5b2obo\$33bo5bobo5bo\$38b2ob2o\$34bo3b2ob2o3bo\$38b2ob2o\$36bobo3bobo\$36b3o3b3o2\$31b3o3b3o\$31bobo3bobo\$33b2ob2o\$29bo3b2ob2o3bo\$33b2ob2o\$28bo5bobo5bo\$29bob2o5b2obo2\$8b2o6bo16b2ob2o16bo6b2o\$8bo6bobo3b3o9b2ob2o9b3o3bobo6bo\$2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo21bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o\$o4bobo12bo3bo21bo3bo12bobo4bo\$b3obo12b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o12bob3o\$3bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo15bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo\$4b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo15bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o\$10bob2o3bo4bo3bo17bo3bo4bo3b2obo\$5bo3bo4bo3b2obo27bob2o3bo4bo3bo\$4bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o15b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo\$4bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo13bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo\$5b2o5b2o12bob3o9b3obo12b2o5b2o\$7bo3bo12bobo4bo7bo4bobo12bo3bo\$7bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo\$8b3o3bobo6bo23bo6bobo3b3o\$15bo6b2o23b2o6bo!`

Though in a few generations eater 1s will pop up in the middle.

EDIT: Block factory:
`x = 71, y = 50, rule = B3/S239bo5bo6b2o23b2o6bo5bo\$8b3o3bobo6bo23bo6bobo3b3o\$7bobobo3bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo3bobobo\$7bo3bo12bobo4bo7bo4bobo12bo3bo\$5b2o5b2o12bob3o9b3obo12b2o5b2o\$4bo3b2o4bo5b2o3bo2bo13bo2bo3b2o5bo4b2o3bo\$4bob3obo2b3o6bo2b3o15b3o2bo6b3o2bob3obo\$5b7o2bo3b2ob2o3b2o15b2o3b2ob2o3bo2b7o\$4b2o3b2ob2o3bo2b7o17b7o2bo3b2ob2o3b2o\$4b3o2bo6b3o2bob3obo15bob3obo2b3o6bo2b3o\$3bo2bo3b2o5bo4b2o3bo15bo3b2o4bo5b2o3bo2bo\$b3obo12b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o12bob3o\$o4bobo12bo3bo21bo3bo12bobo4bo\$2o3b2obo7bo3bobobo21bobobo3bo7bob2o3b2o\$8bo6bobo3b3o9b2ob2o9b3o3bobo6bo\$8b2o6bo5bo10b2ob2o10bo5bo6b2o\$32b2o3b2o2\$32bobobobo2\$32bo5bo2\$31bo7bo\$31bobo3bobo\$32bo5bo2\$31b3o3b3o\$31bobo3bobo\$33b2ob2o\$29bo3b2ob2o3bo\$33b2ob2o\$28bo5bobo5bo\$29bob2o5b2obo2\$8b2o6bo16b2ob2o16bo6b2o\$8bo6bobo3b3o9b2ob2o9b3o3bobo6bo\$2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo21bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o\$o4bobo12bo3bo21bo3bo12bobo4bo\$b3obo12b2o5b2o17b2o5b2o12bob3o\$3bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo15bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo\$4b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo15bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o\$10bob2o3bo4bo3bo17bo3bo4bo3b2obo\$5bo3bo4bo3b2obo27bob2o3bo4bo3bo\$4bob3obo3bo5b2o4b2o15b2o4b2o5bo3bob3obo\$4bo4bo4bo5b2o3b2obo13bob2o3b2o5bo4bo4bo\$5b2o5b2o12bob3o9b3obo12b2o5b2o\$7bo3bo12bobo4bo7bo4bobo12bo3bo\$7bo3bo3bo7bob2o3b2o7b2o3b2obo7bo3bo3bo\$8b3o3bobo6bo23bo6bobo3b3o\$15bo6b2o23b2o6bo!`

Block-G:

`x = 32, y = 16, rule = B3/S238b2o6bo\$8bo6bobo\$2o3b2obo6b2o9bo\$o4bobo7b2o4bo5bo\$b3obo10b2o4bo3bo\$3bob2o9b2o2bob2o\$18b5o\$18b2o\$12b2o\$9b5o\$b2o5b2obo2b2o9b2obo\$b2o2bo3bo4b2o10bob3o\$4bo5bo4b2o7bobo4bo\$5bo9b2o6bob2o3b2o\$14bobo6bo\$15bo6b2o!`

But I can't combine these reactions.

We need an edge sparker.

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True period 52 gun based on the new p4 bouncer:

`x = 378, y = 318, rule = 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EDIT: Unexpected error.

EDIT: Correct gun:

`x = 378, y = 318, rule = 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EDIT: nope. still error.

THis time it must work!

`x = 378, y = 319, rule = 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EDIT: Damn. it's this!

`x = 378, y = 320, rule = 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Sokwe wrote:
calcyman wrote:
Goldtiger997 wrote:the p42 pre-pulsar hassler

This is why we need to update the oscillator collection. Nobody can remember what's been discovered. The biggest difficulty is giving proper attribution. What we really need is a database of pattern information and a Golly lua script to identify the patterns.

As the original question isn't answered, here's the source (shameless plug from a contributor)
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1437&p=26524&hilit=staring+at#p26506
Best wishes to you, Scorbie

Scorbie

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Entity Valkyrie

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PHPBB12345 wrote:Period 66 gun (not optimized):
`x = 152, y = 43, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo\$obo2bobo15bobo\$bo4bo17bo\$127bo16b2o4bo\$126bobo15bobo2bobo\$24bo102bo17bo4bo\$23bobo6b3o\$7bobo5b3o5b2o7bo2bo\$6bo2bob3o17bo2b2o91bo\$5bo4b2o7b2o9b2ob2ob2o79b3o6bobo\$5bo3b2ob2o5b3o9bobo4bo77bo2bo7b2o5b3o5bobo\$5b3ob3o18b2o84b2o2bo17b3obo2bo\$18b3ob3o5b2obo5bo74b2ob2ob2o9b2o7b2o4bo\$8b3o5b2ob2o3bo9b2o3bo73bo4bobo9b3o5b2ob2o3bo\$9b2o7b2o4bo14bo80b2o18b3ob3o\$16b3obo2bo6bo81bo5bob2o5b3ob3o\$12b3o5bobo7bo3b2o76bo3b2o9bo3b2ob2o5b3o\$30bo5bob2o72bo14bo4b2o7b2o\$38b2o81bo6bo2bob3o\$31bo4bobo8b2o8b2o57b2o3bo7bobo5b3o\$32b2ob2ob2o5bo2bo9bo53b2obo5bo\$27bo6b2o2bo6b3o3bo6bob2o50b2o\$19b2o4bobo6bo2bo10b4o5b2o2bo31b2o8b2o8bobo4bo\$20bo5b2o7b3o7b2o7b2o3bobob2o4b2o22bo9bo2bo5b2ob2ob2o\$17b3o26bob2o4bob3obobob3o2bo20b2obo6bo3b3o6bo2b2o6bo\$17bo28bobo9bobo6bobobob2o15bo2b2o5b4o10bo2bo6bobo4b2o\$44bobo2bob2o2b6o2b2obo2bob2obo6b2o4b2obobo3b2o7b2o7b3o7b2o5bo\$41b2o4bobo6bo3bo2b2o5bo11bo2b3obobob3obo4b2obo26b3o\$40b4o8bob2o11bo3b3o3b2obobobo6bobo9bobo28bo\$34bo8bob6o4b2o2bob4ob2o2bo2bo3bob2obo2bob2o2b6o2b2obo2bobo\$35b2o12b5o5bo6b2o2bobo8bo5b2o2bo3bo6bobo4b2o\$34b2o6b2ob2o2bo9bo8bobob2o4b3o3bo11b2obo8b4o\$43bob2ob2o3bob2o2bo7b3obo2bo3bo2bo2b2ob4obo2b2o4b6obo8bo\$43bob2o4b2ob2o2bo3b3obo4bobo5bobo2b2o6bo5b5o12b2o\$46b2o3b2o2b2obobo2bobo2bobobo5b2obobo8bo9bo2b2ob2o6b2o\$47bobo2bo2bo4b2obobob2obo6bo2bob3o7bo2b2obo3b2ob2obo\$47bob4o3b3o3b2ob2o4bo6bobo4bob3o3bo2b2ob2o4b2obo\$43bo4bo10b2o7b2obo7bobobo2bobo2bobob2o2b2o3b2o\$44bo5bo7bo2b3ob2obobo10bob2obobob2o4bo2bo2bobo\$42b3o4b2o7b2o3bobobo12bo4b2ob2o3b3o3b4obo\$80bob2o7b2o10bo4bo\$81bobob2ob3o2bo7bo5bo\$84bobobo3b2o7b2o4b3o!`

EDIT: Also not optimized:
`x = 116, y = 43, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo\$obo2bobo15bobo\$bo4bo17bo\$91bo16b2o4bo\$90bobo15bobo2bobo\$24bo66bo17bo4bo\$23bobo6b3o\$7bobo5b3o5b2o7bo2bo\$6bo2bob3o17bo2b2o55bo\$5bo4b2o7b2o9b2ob2ob2o43b3o6bobo\$5bo3b2ob2o5b3o9bobo4bo6b2o33bo2bo7b2o5b3o5bobo\$5b3ob3o18b2o13bobo5b2o25b2o2bo17b3obo2bo\$18b3ob3o5b2obo5bo7bo5bobo22b2ob2ob2o9b2o7b2o4bo\$8b3o5b2ob2o3bo9b2o3bo6bob2o5bo13b2o6bo4bobo9b3o5b2ob2o3bo\$9b2o7b2o4bo14bo6bobo12b2o5bobo13b2o18b3ob3o\$16b3obo2bo6bo14b2o2bob3obo4bobo5bo7bo5bob2o5b3ob3o\$12b3o5bobo7bo3b2o8bo3bo3bo3bo3bo5b2obo6bo3b2o9bo3b2ob2o5b3o\$30bo5bob2o5b3o5bobo11bobo6bo14bo4b2o7b2o\$38b2o8b6o6bob3obo2b2o14bo6bo2bob3o\$31bo4bobo8bo5bo5bo3bo3bo3bo8b2o3bo7bobo5b3o\$32b2ob2ob2o5bo2b5ob3o3bobo5b3o5b2obo5bo\$27bo6b2o2bo6b3o6b3o5b6o8b2o\$19b2o4bobo6bo2bo10b2o4bo7bo5bo8bobo4bo\$20bo5b2o7b3o7b2obo3bo6b3ob5o2bo5b2ob2ob2o\$17b3o26bo2b2o2b4o2b3o6b3o6bo2b2o6bo\$17bo28bo2bo3bo7bo4b2o10bo2bo6bobo4b2o\$44bob2obo2bo10bo3bob2o7b3o7b2o5bo\$41b2o4b2o10b4o2b2o2bo26b3o\$40b4o3b2ob2o2bo7bo3bo2bo28bo\$34bo8bob2o6bobo7bo2bob2obo\$35b2o12b3obo2bo10b2o4b2o\$34b2o6b2ob2o3bo3b2o5bo2b2ob2o3b4o\$43bob2ob2ob3o6bobo6b2obo8bo\$43bob2o4bobo5bo2bob3o12b2o\$46bo4b2o7b2o3bo3b2ob2o6b2o\$45bobo14b3ob2ob2obo\$46bo15bobo4b2obo\$43bo19b2o4bo\$44bo23bobo\$42b3o24bo\$72bo\$71bo\$71b3o!`

`x = 115, y = 75, rule = B3/S23bo4b2o16bo88bo\$obo2bobo15bobo86bobo\$bo4bo17bo88bo\$6bo\$6bobo94b3o5bo\$5bo3bo14bo4b3o70bo8bobo\$4b2o3bo4b3o6bobo2bo2bo70bo2bo5bo2bo\$4bo2bob2o4b5o3b2o2b2obo73bo8b2o\$4b2o4bo4b2ob3o7bob2obob2o72b2o\$6b2o2bo4bobobo9b2o2bobo73b2o\$9b2o5bob2obo12bo2b2o64b3o\$8bobo7b2obo15b2o2b2o60bobo\$8bob2o7bobo14b2o2b3o60bobo\$8bob2obo5b2o15bobob2o62b2o\$10bobobo4bo2b2o13bo2b2o\$9b3ob2o4bo4b2o2b2o2bo\$10b5o4b2obo2bo2b2obobo66b2o\$13b3o4bo3b2ob3o2b2o55b2o9bobo\$20bo3bo2b2o2b2o57bo9bobo\$21bobo7b2o2bo11b2o8b2o31bobo7b3o\$22bo11bobo2b2o4bo2bo9bo32b2o\$33b2obob2obo3b3o3bo6bob2o\$19b2o18bob2o5b4o5b2o2bo39bo\$20bo17bo2bo3b2o7b2o3bobob2o4b2o23b2o7bo3b2o4bo\$17b3o18b3o5bob2o4bob3obobob3o2bo24b3o3bo2bo3bobob2obo\$17bo13bo14bobobo9bo6bobobob2o19bo6bo7b5o\$29bobo13b2o2b2o4b2obob2ob3o2b2ob2obo20b2o13bo\$30b2o8bo7bob5o3bobo2b3o4bo34b2o\$40bo2b2o5bo3bo5b2o3b3o2b4o31b2o\$41bob2ob3o6b2o3bob2obo2bobo2bo\$42b2o7b2o5b2o2b2ob2obobobo36bobo\$42b2ob3o3bob2o3b3o5bo3bob2o12bo21bo\$43bo4b3ob2ob2ob2o3bo3b3obo2bo11bobo13b2ob2o4bo\$38bo9bob2o6bo3b5o4bobo12b2o14bo7bo\$39b2o4bob2obo5b2o2bo4bo2bobobo22bo6bo2bob3o\$38b2o7bobo3bobo2bob2obobob2obo19b3obo2bo6bo\$47bob4o3b3o3b2ob2o4bo17bo7bo\$48bo10b2o7b2obo21b2ob2o\$50bo7bo2b3ob2obobo18bobo\$49b2o7b2o3bobobo11bo\$77b2o7b2o\$47bo30b2o5bo\$48bo34b2o\$46b3o33b5o\$85b2o\$80bo2bo4bo2bob2o\$83bobo2b4obo\$70bo7b3o2bobo7bobo\$69bo7bo2b3o2bobob2obob2o\$69b3o3bo2b2o2bo5bobobo\$54bobo18b2obob3o3b4o2bo\$55b2o21bo2bob2o2bo4b2o\$55bo22bo3bobo2bo\$79bo2b2o3bo\$83bo2b2o2b2o\$79bo2bo2bo2bo2bo\$61bobo14bobobo2bo2bobo\$61b2o15bobo9bobo2bo\$62bo12b2ob2ob4o2b2obob4o\$75bobo4b3o6bo\$77bob2o2bob6o2bo\$76bo2bo6bobo2b3o\$76bobo2bo2b2o4bo\$75b2ob2ob2ob2ob2o2bo\$81bo5b2ob2o\$75b2ob4o2b5obo\$76bobo2bob2obo3bo\$75bo3bo2bo3bo2bo\$76b2ob2obob2o2bo\$77bo4bo5b4o\$76bo2b2o2b5o3bo\$77b2o2b2o3bob2o\$46bo33bo2b2obobo\$44b2o35bobob2o2bo\$45b2o35bo5b2o!`

Entity Valkyrie

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Entity Valkyrie wrote:I recently found this oscillator in jslife. It is a period 7 pipsquirter:
`x = 33, y = 17, rule = B3/S2319b2o3b2o\$7b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo\$7bobo3bobo3bobo4bo\$5b2o2b4o2bob2obob4obo3b2o\$4bo2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo\$4bobo2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo\$3b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo\$5bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo\$2o3bob2o3b2o3b3o7b3o\$5bo4bobo5bo2bobo4bo\$3b2ob3o4b2o4b2o2bob2obobo\$4bobo2bo4bo5bobo2b2ob2obo\$4bo2b2o3bobobobobobo4bo3bo\$5b2o2b4o2bob2obob4obo3b2o\$7bobo3bobo3bobo4bo\$7b2o3b2ob2obo2bo2bo\$19b2o3b2o!`

I wonder why nobody noticed this.
`x = 18, y = 17, rule = LifeHistory7.2A3.A\$8.A2.A.A2.2A\$6.A4.A.A3.A\$2A3.A.4A.A.3A\$.A3.A.B2.B.A.A\$.A.2A.BA2BA.A\$2.A.A.A4B.2A\$3.2ABA.2ABA.3B\$3.2B2AB3.A3B2A\$3.2ABA.2ABA.3B\$2.A.A.A4B.2A\$.A.2A.BA2BA.A\$.A3.A.B2.B.A.A\$2A3.A.4A.A.3A\$6.A4.A.A3.A\$8.A2.A.A2.2A\$7.2A3.A!`
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