User talk:NotMentallyHere

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Welcome!

Hello, NotMentallyHere, and welcome to LifeWiki!

Please read notability guidelines before adding your own discoveries. Normally it's a good idea to ask in the forum, whether your discoveries are novel.

Enjoy playing the Game of Life! Codeholic 10:55, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

"Aerodynamic"

Hi, Will,

this pattern was definitely not discovered by you, because all still-lifes up to 24 live cells were enumerated long time ago. And even if you had found a bigger still-life, that wouldn't count as a novel discovery, because there is nothing notable in discovering a still life -- they are abundant.

I've already mentioned that in my welcome message, but let me say it again: please ask on forums, whether your discoveries are novel before posting them on the wiki.

Nevertheless thank you for your interest in Conway's Game of Life!

Cheers, Codeholic (talk) 10:59, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Codeholic,


I'm concerned about the notability state of the wiki and its contents. As you mentioned, all still lifes up to 24 cells have been enumerated (but does "enumerated" mean discovered or does it mean that they have been proven to exist, but not all actually discovered?). It is true that these notability guidelines have been put in for good reason, but I, personally, believe that you're looking in the wrong place. Instead of, or perhaps in addition to, filtering out newest patterns for notability, you should go through and scan the existing contents for any notability problems. I can mention one off the top of my head, specifically Eater on boat, that isn't really notable so much as just a combination of still lifes next to each other purely for notability purposes. Still lifes are indeed abundant, but some pages are redundant. For instance, take the mirrored and rotated R-Bee pages, which have good reason to be consolidated into one. Perhaps there is reason for doing this due to templates, etc. that I'm ignoring, but if there were some feat of template wizardry that would allow it, they indeed should be consolidated into one. I can "de-personalize" the article I've created, perhaps, by removing all traces of my claim to its discovery, but it remains a semi-notable article at least. Deletion or no, I maintain that there are articles that should be re-examined themselves for notability.

Yes, enumerated means that they were discovered. I share your concern about necessity to have a separate article about each of common still lifes, but they're definitely notable as class, because they arise naturally from random conditions many orders of magnitude more frequently than arbitrary patterns. But even they didn't deserve personal names, as "eater on boat" is merely a descriptive name. And usually they're referred just by their numbers (as they were enumerated ;)). You can find a (non-complete) catalogue here: http://pentadecathlon.com/objects/class1/class1.php Codeholic (talk) 10:38, 22 November 2014 (UTC)