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AforAmpere

Will rule table functionality for Larger than Life rules ever be added, and how would it work?
EDIT, wow, I have never seen a p1 knightship before, nice job bprentice!

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x = 23, y = 10, rule = R5,C4,M0,S0..0,B10..60,NN
6.8A$3.16A$.6A8B5A$4A16BA$2A6B8C5B$A4B16CB$.2B6C8.5C$.B4C16.C$2.2C$2.
C!

AforAmpere

Technically, n*c ships should be possible in a neighborhood n rule. 4c/6 DIAGONAL: x = 8, y = 8, rule = R2,C3,M0,S4..5,B4..4,NM 6.A$3.B2A.A$3.A.BA$3.A2.A$4.2AB2$B$.B! (42,18)c/37 rake!: x = 9, y = 9, rule = R2,C6,M0,S10..13,B4..5,NM 5.E$2.3A$.A3BD2.E$2AB2CD2E$A.B2CDED$.AB.C2DE$2.A2B3C$3.2A2B$4.2A! 9...

AforAmpere

Cool! I think c should still mean one cell per generation, otherwise, it gets kind of ridiculous. THis rule, which is just a three state modification of Wildmyron's rule, has a 3c/2, a c/2, and a c/8 diagonal, weirdly. x = 56, y = 12, rule = R2,C3,M0,S4..4,B4..4,NM .4A10.4A10.4A9.2A9.2B$2.2B12.2B12....

AforAmpere

These are sort of rule finding challenges, like: -Find a Non-totalistic rule with the most three-cell spaceships. -Find a Non-totalistic rule with the highest period oscillator with three cells at its minimum phase, my best bet is this p72: x = 3, y = 4, rule = B2ek3aei/S02cek5q bo2$o$2bo! -Find a N...

AforAmpere

THis rule has some weird natural spaceships, 2c/7 diagonal, c/10 diagonal and orthogonal, and some normal c/2 and c/4 ships:

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x = 53, y = 6, rule = B2-ac3/S2-ek3aiy4q5i
bo8b3o7bo3bo6bo2bo15bo$obo6bo3bo7bobo9b2o$35b2o9bo2bo2bo$2bo32bo14bo$
50b2o$36bo!

AforAmpere

Find a rule with 5 or more three-cell ships, excluding variants of this. Even one with 5 or more four-cell ships would be great.

AforAmpere

I get it, so you are essentially trying to get closer to the number of distinct rules. Am I right that you are trying to eliminate stuff like this? 0,1,2,0,2,1,1,0,1,1 0,1,2,0,2,1,1,0,1,2 That was a dumb mistake on my part. However, I think the number of distinct rules can be reduced further, by eli...

AforAmpere

You should check out the thread for All Directions and Infinite Speeds:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2916
It has ships for every slope, and works with similar functionality, and was based on this rule by pteriforever.

AforAmpere

How are either of those mistakes? 2,2,2,3,0,0,0,0,0,5 is one transition, with 10 numbers, each number can have 256 different states, from 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 to 255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255,255. Each transition in these 256^10 transitions can be used or not, so 2^256^10, how does this not wor...

AforAmpere

You are right about 256, sorry, but 256 state rules can emulate all others, so it is equivalent, another estimate would be if you counted all others, so 2^256^10+2^255^10...+2^2^10. I am not sure what that would be, but it is very, very close to the estimate I gave, in terms of power towers, try it ...

AforAmpere

2^256^10, or 10^(3.63*10^23), is my guess, because there are 10 numbers in a transition table, and with 256 states, with repeats, they have 256^10 different transitions. Of those transitions, it is a choice to have them on or off, so just raise 2 to the number of transitions, and there is the number...

AforAmpere

Smaller c/44 if you are looking for the smallest examples:

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x = 5, y = 3, rule = B2-ac3aceik5cjry6-a/S23-akn4
o3bo$obobo$bobo!

AforAmpere

All in the same rule, a 3c/11 (6c/22), a c/3 diagonal, and a 3c/10 diagonal:

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x = 33, y = 6, rule = B2-ac3aceik5y6-a/S23-akn4
2bo10b2o15bo$b2o9bo2bo13b3o$obo12bo11bobobo$bo10bobo16b2o$31bo$30b2o!

AforAmpere

There's also this (4,1)c/23 puffer, that I don't know if it can be turned into a spaceship, or in another rule

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x = 6, y = 3, rule = B34eqyz5-ek/S23
b2o$2ob3o$2bo!

AforAmpere

This is a (3,7)c/27 puffer, can it be made into a spaceship?

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x = 5, y = 4, rule = B3-k/S23-y5-ijnq
2bo$2ob2o$2o2bo$3b2o!

AforAmpere

That happened to me at the beginning, but I think it was because I got the older ntzfind, with the y and n transitions messed up, are you sure you have the latest version?

AforAmpere

I think it is supposed to be bounded in speed by max speed for life ships, so p5 knightships, like this, are not allowed:

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x = 3, y = 3, rule = B3-cnry4-acery5i/S23-a4-jknqr5y8
2o$b2o$bo!

I am not sure, but I think that is what he meant.

AforAmpere

It doesn't appear so, the beehive that necessarily pops up in an overoverweight spaceship (because of S3a and B3i) seems to not let the spaceship go any further. I can see a mod in a three state rule, but I don't think it is possible in a life-like rule

AforAmpere

I think this is it:
B3/S2ae3aeijr4-ckqy

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x = 67, y = 11, rule = B3/S2ae3aeijr4-ckqy
2$3bo15b2o19bo16b2ob2o$2b2o12b5o18b2o15b3ob3o$b2o13bo39bo5bo$16b3o22b
3o$17b2o!

This is probably the second rule:

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x = 4, y = 5, rule = B3/S2ae3aeijr4-cknqy
2bo$b2o$2o$bobo$b3o!

AforAmpere

This rule is weird, it has a 2c/7, a 2c/13 and a 2c/15, all unusually small:

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x = 33, y = 7, rule = B34eqyz5-ek6k/S23
2bo10bo15bo2bo$b3o7bo3bo13bo2bo$b3o7bo3bo13bo2bo$11b5o$26b2o$2ob2o21b
2o$2ob2o!

AforAmpere

B2ek3-ajny4ajqr5a/S02ack3ackny4aq5y , it is super versatile with small ships, FIVE three cell ships.

AforAmpere

Do you mean that it still shoots the same color "pushers" ? Because I don't think that is possible, because each color goes in one direction. Red and blur go left, cyan and yellow go right.

AforAmpere

Yeah, I found that too, while I was testing the rule, it can be used to make a dot puffer: x = 20, y = 10, rule = All_Speeds 8.E$11.D$6.E6.E$7.D$E6.C3.E$.D2$7.D5.E$16.D$13.D4.E! And a rake: x = 34, y = 34, rule = All_Speeds 22.E.C$26.2GE$20.E6.E$24.G$14.E3.C6.E$18.D2$24.D2.E.C$31.2GE$30.D.E2$ 30.E2$...

AforAmpere

Guns that shoot various period diagonal ships, based on A for Awesome's gun:

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x = 50, y = 5, rule = All_Speeds
3.E19.E21.E$E.E4.D12.E.E3.D15.E.E2.D$2.E6.E12.E5.E15.E4.E$6.E.E16.E.E
18.E.E$8.E18.E20.E!

AforAmpere

My binary adder in Star Wars. I created this for my first post here, I think, last year: x = 352, y = 263, rule = 345/2/4 248.A$247.3A$248.A2$252.A$251.3A87.C3.C$252.A$341.C3.C$304.A$297.A5. 3A35.C.C.C3.3C$296.3A5.A44.C$297.A47.C3.3C$351.C$345.C3.3C21$21.C.C2$ 21.C3.C2$21.C.C.C18.C.C.C2$21.C3.C18.C3...

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