Guns in Life-like cellular automata

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by BlinkerSpawn » January 7th, 2017, 5:13 pm

Naszvadi wrote:
Sokwe wrote:The alien guns collection has guns that work in all rules in the space B3/S23 - B378/S2378 except for B378/S23.
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...This p27 oscillator might work:

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First stable concatenation - still an oscillator:

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rle
We're looking for something more like this, except without suicidal gliders:

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x = 51, y = 30, rule = B378/S23
30b2o$31bo$7b2o22bobo$8bo23b2o$8bobo$9b2o$38b3o$50bo$15b3o13b3o2b2o4bo
5b3o$36bo5bo4bo$8b3o2b2o4bo9bo4b3o5bo4b2o$13bo5bo9bo5bobo2bo$6bo4b3o5b
o9bo9b2o$6bo5bobo2bo13bo2bo5b3o$6bo9b2o13b3o5bo2bo$8bo2bo5b3o13b2o9bo$
8b3o5bo2bo13bo2bobo5bo$10b2o9bo9bo5b3o4bo$10bo2bobo5bo9bo5bo$2b2o4bo5b
3o4bo9bo4b2o2b3o$3bo4bo5bo$3o5bo4b2o2b3o13b3o$o$10b3o$40b2o$40bobo$17b
2o23bo$17bobo22b2o$19bo$19b2o!

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by Naszvadi » January 7th, 2017, 7:49 pm

BlinkerSpawn wrote:
Naszvadi wrote:
Sokwe wrote:The alien guns collection has guns that work in all rules in the space B3/S23 - B378/S2378 except for B378/S23.
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...This p27 oscillator might work:

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p27 osc
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First stable concatenation - still an oscillator:

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rle
We're looking for something more like this, except without suicidal gliders:

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rle
What about inspecting the sparky p32 oscillator that used in the rake creation in this topic? A p160 oscillator is created using 8 copies of itself + 4 gliders:

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x = 93, y = 107, rule = B378/S23
23bo$21b4o$21b2ob2o$20bo2b4o$21bo3bo$21bo2bo$23bo12$31bo$32bo$30b3o2$
2bobo$o2b4o$o2bo2bo$o2bo2bo$bo3bo$2b2o4$27bo$26bobo$26bob2o$26bobo2$
24b2o3$26bo$26bo2$10b3o$4bo4bo2bo$4bo6b2o$5bo3bo$7b2o11b3o$20bo$21bo
10$71bo$72bo$70b3o11b2o$83bo3bo$80b2o6bo$80bo2bo4bo$80b3o2$66bo$66bo3$
67b2o2$64bobo$63b2obo$64bobo$65bo4$89b2o$87bo3bo$86bo2bo2bo$86bo2bo2bo
$86b4o2bo$88bobo2$60b3o$60bo$61bo12$69bo$68bo2bo$67bo3bo$66b4o2bo$67b
2ob2o$68b4o$69bo!

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by Naszvadi » January 20th, 2017, 5:35 pm

I would be glad if certain rules can be listed in https://catagolue.appspot.com/home. Reason: I am working on a common proof of universality of the rules B3[678]*/S23[678]* in my topic: http://conwaylife.com/forums/viewtopic. ... 97&start=0, so naturally occuring sparky oscillators would be handy for creating guns.

This is very poor list and denoted as incomplete: List_of_rules_investigated_on_Catagolue. The rules with important particles are missing from there, those particles are: B7, S6 and S7 respectively. So only B3[68]*/S23[8]* rules found, they are already proven to be universal.

Is there a way to gather all census rules with commits somehow, or selected ones with rule mask?

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by Naszvadi » January 21st, 2017, 7:36 am

Naszvadi wrote:I would be glad if certain rules can be listed in https://catagolue.appspot.com/home.
... So only B3[68]*/S23[8]* rules found, they are already proven to be universal.

Is there a way to gather all census rules with commits somehow, or selected ones with rule mask?
Unfortunately, the only 8 rules in the catalogue that match the above pattern are: b368/s23 b368/s238 b36/s23 b36/s238 b38/s23 b38/s238 b3/s23 b3/s238

Some wgets in for loops pointed out them. :( They do exist in the catalogue with commits, but I am interested in the remaining 56 rules.

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by Naszvadi » April 18th, 2017, 2:55 am

Wanted a gun, that
  • Works in life
  • Works in a totalistic rule other than B3/S23, B3/S238, B38/S23, B38/S238.
  • Some of the phases might differ, but the period, barrels should be the same.

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by Naszvadi » September 6th, 2017, 3:32 pm

Not much progress, only a p120 (p30-compatible) gun were constructed in Highlife (works in B36/S238, too).
See here: ../forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2332&p=50630#p50630

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by Naszvadi » December 28th, 2019, 2:04 pm

Sokwe wrote:
April 11th, 2013, 2:22 am
The alien guns collection has guns that work in all rules in the space B3/S23 - B378/S2378 except for B378/S23. For this rule, it is possible to build a gun using a stream of constructable rakes. This p352 example pattern shows what I mean:

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x = 304, y = 608, rule = B378/S23
80bo4bo$79bo6bo$80bo4bo4$92b3o$90b3o$88bo4b2o$88bobo$78b3o7bob3o$80b3o
5b2ob2o$78b2o4bo2b7o$82bob2o6b2o$80b3ob2ob2ob3o$80b2ob2o6bo$79b6o$79b
2o4bo$80b3obo$81bo15$61bo$60b2o$63bo5bo$60b2o8bo$70bo2bo$64bo5b2o$69bo
$70bo2$60bo$60b2o2$61bo2bo$61bo2bo9bo$62b3o8b2o2$70bo2bo$70bo2bo$70b3o
62$90b2o$92bo$84bo$83bobo$83b3o$83bo3$92b2o$91bo2bo$91bo2bo$91bobo$79b
2o7b4o$78bo2bo6bo2b2o$78bo2bo7b3o$79bobo8bo$81b4o$80b2o2bo$81b3o$82bo
14$67b2o4b2o4$60bo$60b2o$62bo$60b2obo$60b2obob2o7bo$61bo3b2o6b2o$63bo
8bo$66bob2obob2o$62bo8bob2o$60bo2bo3bo5bo$61b3o7bo$68bo$68bo3bo$71bo2b
o$71b3o65$92b2o$90b2ob2o$91bo$88b3o2bo$79b2o9bo$78b2ob2o4b2o$81bo2b2o$
79bo5bo$81b2o2bo$83bo7bo$89b2obo$90bobo$91bo$81bo$80bob2o$80bobo$81bo$
20bo$19bo2bo$18bo3bo$17b4o2bo$18b2ob2o$19b4o$20bo7$62bo$62bo$7bo61bo$
5b2obo59bobo$5b2ob2o58bob2o$5b2o63bo$9bo2$60b2o$59bo2bo$59b2ob2o$62bob
o$64b2o7b2o$61bobobo6bo2bo$61bo2bo6b2ob2o$62b3o5bobo$69b2o$69bobobo$
70bo2bo$70b3o12$38b2o$38bobo$38bo13$75bo$76bo$74b3o8$53b2o$54bo$54bobo
$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o17bo$74b2o$73bobo4$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$
55b2o2$59b2o$59bobo$51b2o6bo23bo$52bo29b2o$52bobo26b3o$53b2o27b2o$46b
2o35bo$47bo44bo$47bobo40b4o$48b2o24b2o14b2o2bo$74b2o12b2obob2o$80bo6bo
b2ob3o$79b4o$78bo2b2o8b2o$78b2obob2o2b2o3bo$78b3ob2obo2bo3bo$66b2o21bo
bo$66bobo11b2o8bo$66bo7b2o4bo3b2o$74b2o4bo3bo$81bobo$82bo$53b2o$54bo
30bo$54bobo27bobo$55b2o27bobo38b2o$85bo39bobo$74bo7bo2bo39bo$74b3o3bo$
80b2o3bo$76b2o3b4o$53b2o24bo$54bo18b2o$54bobo16bo$55b2o16bobo$84b2o$
84b3o$59b4o23bo$59b2ob2o17b3ob3o$59b2obo18b3o$53b2o7b3o16bo3bo$54bo8bo
2bo5b4o7b3o$54bobo14b2ob2o3bob2o2bo$55b2o10b3ob2ob2o3bo5bo$b3o63b2o2b
3o10bo$b3o65bobo9b3o$o2bo2bo55b2o7bo$3o2bo55bob2o$2obobob2o38bo13bob2o
$3bo2b3o37bobo4b2o7bo$2bo2bo2bo36bo3bo4bo16b2o$5b3o37b2o2bo4bobo13b2ob
o$5b3o37b2ob2o5b2o13b2obo$46bobo23bo$47bo4$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$3b2o4bo
45b2o$2bobo4bo$3b3o2bobo$4b3obobo$4b2o5b2o$6bobob3o$6bobo2b3o$7bo4bobo
$7bo4b2o2$39bo$37b2obo$29bo6bo4bo$29bo5bo$27b3o6bob4o$27bo9b2o3b2o9b2o
$22b2o3b2o10b4obo9bo$21b2o4b3o15bo8bobo$20bobo2bobo11bo4bo10b2o$22bobo
15bob2o$19bobo2bobo14bo$17b3o4b2o$18b2o3b2o$19bo$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b
2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo158b2o
$54bobo35bo120bobo$55b2o34b3o119bo$89b2o3bo$74b2o13b3o3bo$74b2o4bo13bo
$79b4o5b2obo2bo$62b2o13bo6b2o2b2o3bo$53b2o7bobo12bo6bob2o2b2o$54bo7bo
14bo2b3obo2bo$54bobo22bo5b3o$55b2o33b2o$89b3o$74b2o13bo2bo$74b2o13b2ob
o$81b2o7b2o$81b3o$53b2o25bo2bo$54bo25bob2o$54bobo24b2o$55b2o2$74b2o$
69b2o3b2o$69bobo$69bo$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o27b3o$84b3o$79bo3bobob2o$
78b4ob2ob3o$77b2o2b3obob2o$78bob7o$53b2o15b2o7bo4b3o$54bo14bo2bo$54bob
o12bo2bo$55b2o12bo2bo$70b2o10bo$60b2o18b5o$60bo2bo16b2ob3o$59bo20b2o2b
o$58bo6bo15b3o$53b2o4bob4o8b2o7bo$54bo8bo7bo2bo$54bobo4b2o12bo$55b2o3b
2o3b2o2bo6bo$61b2ob3o3b4obo$62b3o6bo$63bo8b2o$68b2o3b2o$68b3ob2o$53b2o
15b3o$54bo16bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bob
o$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o5$301b2o$53b2o246bobo$54bo246bo$54bobo
$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$
54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$
54bo$54bobo$55b2o6$53b2o$54bo$54bobo$55b2o!
Note that the rake stream outputs gliders of both parities, and the p22 and p32 reflectors are sufficient to get gliders of any necessary phase. A gun can surely be built in this manner, but the construction would be large, and I would not advise anyone to attempt to complete it.
...
Sokwe's ship and his synth isolated for later gun construction:

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x = 125, y = 66, rule = B378/S23
75b2o$75b2o$74bo$72b2o2bo$62b2o6b2o$62b2o6b2o3b2o$64bo4b3o$62bo2b2o$
66bob2o$62b2o9bo$73b3o$74bo2$65bo$63b3o$64bo2$114b2o$113bo2bo$114b2o2$
103b2o$102bo2bo$103b2o4$122b2o$122bobo$18bo17bo85bo$19b2o13b2o$18b2o
15b2o58b2o$94bobo$96bo3$35b3o$35bo$36bo6$17b3o$19bo$18bo13$56b2o$56bob
o$56bo2$b2o$obo$2bo!
Note that the gliders' colour might case problems, which was pinpointed by Sokwe. Luckily the two beehives can be built independently.

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Re: Guns in Life-like cellular automata

Post by Sokwe » December 28th, 2019, 8:45 pm

Naszvadi wrote:
December 28th, 2019, 2:04 pm
Sokwe's ship and his synth...
The ship was found by Paul Tooke and the synthesis method was found by Adam P. Goucher who used it to build a gun in DryLife (B37/S23). A gun was never constructed in B378/S23, as this topic shows.
-Matthias Merzenich

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